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The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back down after use?

We, as men, seem to get yelled at if the toilet seat is not down at all times. But this is not equality! After all, women do not put the seat up after use.

Men should put the seat down, but only if women put it up; a 50/50 solution. I believe that this should bring fairness to this messy dilemma.

The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back up after use?

We, as men, seem to get yelled at if the toilet seat is not down at all times. But this is not equality! After all, women do not put the seat up after use.

Men should put the seat down, but only if women put it up; a 50/50 solution. I believe that this should bring fairness to this messy dilemma.

Heh the answer to that one is veriable. For instance, do you want a quite life? Or Do you like sudden and blinding headaches?

everyone in my house puts the seat and lid down before flushing to keep fecal matter from flying around.

it's pretty gross to leave it open when you flush.

everyone in my house puts the seat and lid down before flushing to keep fecal matter from flying around.
:eek:

Eww...too much detail. :p

No; all parties should put the lid down. Two reasons:
A) It is fair.
B) It prevents crap being sprayed on the toothbrushes, as Smunkee seems to have beaten me to saying.

The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back up after use?

We, as men, seem to get yelled at if the toilet seat is not down at all times. But this is not equality! After all, women do not put the seat up after use.

Men should put the seat down, but only if women put it up; a 50/50 solution. I believe that this should bring fairness to this messy dilemma.
Everybody should put the LID down. That way when you flush you aren't flinging droplets of poo and pee into the air of your bathroom, and you also don't have to see an open crapper every time you enter the bathroom.

everyone in my house puts the seat and lid down before flushing to keep fecal matter from flying around.

it's pretty gross to leave it open when you flush.


You know I don't wish to gross you out(too much) but I wouldn't worry too much about fecal matter, after all it is everywere anyhow, all over the place on our skin, in our hair, on almost every work surface. we have in reality been eating shit for millinia.

:eek:

Eww...too much detail. :p

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f02/web2/stan.html

we did a science experiment about it a few months back.....it is pretty gross. I quit keeping my toothbrush in the bathroom.

It takes less effort for a woman to give the seat a slight tap and make it come down than it does a guy to bend all the way down there and lift it up.

Conservation of energy. Plus hey a splash in the middle of the night is funny.

You know I don't wish to gross you out(too much) but I wouldn't worry too much about fecal matter, after all it is everywere anyhow, all over the place on our skin, in our hair, on almost every work surface. we have in reality been eating shit for millinia.

Wasn't there a study recently that showed that the toilet is cleaner than the ice in restaurants?

everyone in my house puts the seat and lid down before flushing to keep fecal matter from flying around.

it's pretty gross to leave it open when you flush.
Indeed. It amazes me how many men act as though it requires some kind of serious effort to put down the seat...I've always managed to open the lid to use the toilet and put it back down after use, and I'm just a delicate flower of womanhood, not a big strong man.

You know I don't wish to gross you out(too much) but I wouldn't worry too much about fecal matter, after all it is everywere anyhow, all over the place on our skin, in our hair, on almost every work surface. we have in reality been eating shit for millinia.

I know that. I feel just a little bit better keeping my toothbrush elsewhere though.

everyone in my house puts the seat and lid down before flushing to keep fecal matter from flying around.

it's pretty gross to leave it open when you flush.

There's a nice pleasant thought while eating breakfast.

LOL

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f02/web2/stan.html

we did a science experiment about it a few months back.....it is pretty gross. I quit keeping my toothbrush in the bathroom.


I happen to dig that fecal flavour. :p

Indeed. It amazes me how many men act as though it requires some kind of serious effort to put down the seat...I've always managed to open the lid to use the toilet and put it back down after use, and I'm just a delicate flower of womanhood, not a big strong man.

my husband out of sheer "grossed out"-edness decided to put down the lid before the flush after we showed him our experiment.....

It takes less effort for a woman to give the seat a slight tap and make it come down than it does a guy to bend all the way down there and lift it up.

Ahh, but men usually have greater upper body strength, so they should be expected to use it! Mwa ha ha!

Wasn't there a study recently that showed that the toilet is cleaner than the ice in restaurants?

Umm I don't know about that, it wouldn't supprise me though

Hurrah! Common sense! What's the lid for if it's never put down?

As an aside, I've always been a little confused by tales of women falling half way into the toilet because the seat wasn't down (and am amazed by how often I've heard them)... granted, with having the ability to pee while standing, I'm not likely to sit on it more than once a day, but I can't imagine, if I lived for a billion days, ever falling in because the seat wasn't down. I'd very much be inclined to look before I sit. If you live with a bloke who leaves the seat down but can't be arsed to put the lid down, do you really think he put the seat down, or just didn't bother to lift it up before peeing all over it?

I wouldn't want to sit on the seat without at least a cursory glance to check not only that it's there, but that it's not covered in urine.

Wasn't there a study recently that showed that the toilet is cleaner than the ice in restaurants?

And another, I think, that showed that there were more bacteria on the doorhandles than on the loo-seats.

Obviously taps and soap-dispensers are just too complicated for some people :rolleyes:

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As an aside, I've always been a little confused by tales of women falling half way into the toilet because the seat wasn't down (and am amazed by how often I've heard them)... granted, with having the ability to pee while standing, I'm not likely to sit on it more than once a day, but I can't imagine, if I lived for a billion days, ever falling in because the seat wasn't down. I'd very much be inclined to look before I sit. If you live with a bloke who leaves the seat down but can't be arsed to put the lid down, do you really think he put the seat down, or just didn't bother to lift it up before peeing all over it?

My mother used to moan about me leaving the lid down. Apparently it hurts if you plonk your arse on it :rolleyes:

I'm a woman who always leaves the toilet seat up. Although I'll admit that you're right, most other women I know seem to make a big deal out of small things like that. What I don't get is why do these people who insist on everything being tidy, have loads of clutter around the house? I would of thought they'd be minimalists or something. They must enjoy cleaning, or maybe they think that nagging people is fun. I don't know.

everyone in my house puts the seat and lid down before flushing to keep fecal matter from flying around.

it's pretty gross to leave it open when you flush.

I've never heard of that happening before. I noticed when I went to Germany that they have different toilets. I guess you Americans do as well, they must be shallower if shit flies out when you flush.

And another, I think, that showed that there were more bacteria on the doorhandles than on the loo-seats.

Obviously taps and soap-dispensers are just too complicated for some people :rolleyes:

we also bought one of those motion activated soap dispensers, you should see what we were able to grow from a culture of our liquid soap pump.....

I am begining to think it was a bad idea to buy petri dishes.

I've never heard of that happening before. I noticed when I went to Germany that they have different toilets. I guess you Americans do as well, they must be shallower if shit flies out when you flush.

No, no, that's ours, too.

...though North Americans do have funny toilets.

I've never heard of that happening before. I noticed when I went to Germany that they have different toilets. I guess you Americans do as well, they must be shallower if shit flies out when you flush.
small droplets of whatever is in the toilet fly up and out whenever you flush.

And another, I think, that showed that there were more bacteria on the doorhandles than on the loo-seats.

Obviously taps and soap-dispensers are just too complicated for some people :rolleyes:

I've never understood people who don't wash their hands. I can't imagine how anyone can not care about the fact that what's in the toilet may end up in their mouths.

we also bought one of those motion activated soap dispensers, you should see what we were able to grow from a culture of our liquid soap pump.....

I am begining to think it was a bad idea to buy petri dishes.


Hahahah nonsense, it's always a bloody good idea to purchase petri dishes!

I've never understood people who don't wash their hands. I can't imagine how anyone can not care about the fact that what's in the toilet may end up in their mouths.

I don't understand people who only wash their hands after using the bathroom or before eating, do you know how many times a day you touch your face? do you know how many things you touch that are horribly disgusting because other people touched them?

*goes to wash her hands again*

Hahahah nonsense, it's always a bloody good idea to purchase petri dishes!

we clean more often.....my house while it "looked clean" was terribly gross. We went through and cultured everything for fun one week.

my keyboard.....blech. and I wash my hands like 40 times a day, I can't imagine how disgusting the one at work is. (I don't think I need to know)

What I don't get is why do these people who insist on everything being tidy, have loads of clutter around the house? I would of thought they'd be minimalists or something.

What does putting the lid down have to do with insisting on everything being tidy?

I don't care much for "tidy," I just prefer things to be moderately sanitary. I don't care if we leave clutter around, but I care if we leave cartons of milk around because then we end up with stinking and bugs. I don't care if we have clutter in the bathroom, but I do care if there is filth in the room where I try to get myself clean.


They must enjoy cleaning, or maybe they think that nagging people is fun.

I don't like cleaning much, and I never bother nagging. When I moved in with my boyfriend we set up an agreement for the level of cleanliness we both felt was appropriate, so we both work to maintain it. That's the benefit of dating somebody who is an actual grown-up. :)

If you hang around women who have to nag their boyfriends to get them to clean up after themselves, then you need some new woman friends! Don't waste your time associating with the kind of wusses who would date a helpless infant-man like that.

I don't understand people who only wash their hands after using the bathroom or before eating, do you know how many times a day you touch your face? do you know how many things you touch that are horribly disgusting because other people touched them?

*goes to wash her hands again*


Do you know that part of the reason that we have so many killer germs nowadays is because parents no longer let their kids eat dirt!:confused:

I don't understand people who only wash their hands after using the bathroom or before eating, do you know how many times a day you touch your face? do you know how many things you touch that are horribly disgusting because other people touched them?

*goes to wash her hands again*

:eek: That's a bit obsessive - a bit of muck and dirt is good for us, after all. If you're too clean, your immune system never builds up its defences.

If you hang around women who have to nag their boyfriends to get them to clean up after themselves, then you need some new woman friends! Don't waste your time associating with the kind of wusses who would date a helpless infant-man like that.


Hehehah and my wife gave up nagging me years ago, now she just gets on with it!

Do you know that part of the reason that we have so many killer germs nowadays is because parents no longer let their kids eat dirt!:confused:
I read that somewhere, about how our veggies are too clean. I also read that we have been using antibiotic soap too long and forced mutations.


:eek: That's a bit obsessive - a bit of muck and dirt is good for us, after all. If you're too clean, your immune system never builds up its defences.
I have OCD, did I forget to mention that?

I do let my kids play outside and get dirty, it's not a problem for me as long as they wash up at some point, I don't neccessarily want dropletts of crap on my toothbrush or ecoli floating around in my makeup. There is a difference between dirt and things that can actually make you sick.

No; all parties should put the lid down. Two reasons:
A) It is fair.
B) It prevents crap being sprayed on the toothbrushes, as Smunkee seems to have beaten me to saying.

Just so. And appropos what someone was saying on the first page about blinding headaches, one could also say you can put it up so long as you're prepared to sleep alone for most of your life.

I read that somewhere, about how our veggies are too clean. I also read that we have been using antibiotic soap too long and forced mutations.



I have OCD, did I forget to mention that?

I do let my kids play outside and get dirty, it's not a problem for me as long as they wash up at some point, I don't neccessarily want dropletts of crap on my toothbrush or ecoli floating around in my makeup. There is a difference between dirt and things that can actually make you sick.

Actually, I don't E. Coli makes you sick, it just means shit has been there. E. Coli is the stuff in your intestines that digussts stuff.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f02/web2/stan.html

we did a science experiment about it a few months back.....it is pretty gross. I quit keeping my toothbrush in the bathroom.

Mythbusters did a show on that very subject. Turns out poo is nearly everywhere if you're taking swaps. Even very far away from the toilet.

I don't understand people who only wash their hands after using the bathroom or before eating, do you know how many times a day you touch your face? do you know how many things you touch that are horribly disgusting because other people touched them?

*goes to wash her hands again*

Hygeine is important, especially when handling food, but there is a point where it looks like you're obsessive-compulsive or turning into Lady Macbeth; you have to remember that the human race has reached a population of six-and-a-half billion with most of those being right grubby bastards, so a bit of dirt's not that likely to kill you.

That's what I tell myself when I eat something someone else has cooked, anyway.

Hygeine is important, especially when handling food, but there is a point where it looks like you're obsessive-compulsive or turning into Lady Macbeth; you have to remember that the human race has reached a population of six-and-a-half billion with most of those being right grubby bastards, so a bit of dirt's not that likely to kill you.

That's what I tell myself when I eat something someone else has cooked, anyway.

Take some Vitamin C and call me in the moring I say. Or don't call, if it's complaints.

I have OCD, did I forget to mention that?

I think my Dad might have a mild form of that when it comes to cleanliness as well. He's not constantly washing his hands, but he does clean the house so frequently and complains about any dirt so much that I sometimes wonder.

But then I'm not in anyway medically qualified, so what I said is probably a load of rubbish. :p

Hygeine is important, especially when handling food, but there is a point where it looks like you're obsessive-compulsive or turning into Lady Macbeth; you have to remember that the human race has reached a population of six-and-a-half billion with most of those being right grubby bastards, so a bit of dirt's not that likely to kill you.

That's what I tell myself when I eat something someone else has cooked, anyway.

I don't doubt that there are nasty things everywhere, I wash my hands because I believe there are. My doctor thinks that I have a healthy amount of handwashing considering my work and my OCD, it doesn't much interfere with everyday life, other compulsions of mine do.

Like I said, my kids get dirty, it doesn't bother me, we garden, we play in the mud, we culture our house to grow stuff. I am not that afraid of dirt, I just like clean hands.

Hygeine is important, especially when handling food, but there is a point where it looks like you're obsessive-compulsive or turning into Lady Macbeth; you have to remember that the human race has reached a population of six-and-a-half billion with most of those being right grubby bastards, so a bit of dirt's not that likely to kill you.

That's what I tell myself when I eat something someone else has cooked, anyway.

You should listen to George Carlin's rant about germs. It's funny.

"We were tempered in raw shit!"

small droplets of whatever is in the toilet fly up and out whenever you flush.
I guess. I just read your post as saying that a load of shit flew out of the toilet. Now that would be nasty (as well as a little silly - I wasn't thinking).
What does putting the lid down have to do with insisting on everything being tidy?

If you hang around women who have to nag their boyfriends to get them to clean up after themselves, then you need some new woman friends! Don't waste your time associating with the kind of wusses who would date a helpless infant-man like that.
Insisting on people putting the lid down just seems fussy to me.

I don't hang aroud with women like that, all my close friends are male. I was talking about my mother, and my neighbours. It seems that they're constantly nagging me, particualry my mum. :(
:eek: That's a bit obsessive - a bit of muck and dirt is good for us, after all. If you're too clean, your immune system never builds up its defences.
I agree. I don't bother washing my hands before I eat or anything, and in my twenty years of life I've not once had a day off from school or work for being ill.

Umm... Isn't it already up after a man has used it?

Shouldn't the poll ask if we should put it _down_?

In that case, unless women are the overwhelming majority of users then there's no reason why the man should put it down. Indeed, having it constantly down is just really annoying.

put the seat and the lid down. that way everyone's happy. or at least everyone's got the same thing to do before they take a piss.

Insisting on people putting the lid down just seems fussy to me.

*Shrug* Some people say it's fussy to ask that others put away the milk instead of leaving it out.


I don't hang aroud with women like that, all my close friends are male. I was talking about my mother, and my neighbours. It seems that they're constantly nagging me, particualry my mum. :(

The behavior of a mother toward her child is probably not going to be the same as the behavior of a woman toward her partner. At least, not if the woman has anything approaching a healthy relationship with her partner. Children frequently require reminders and repetative instruction; adult human males of anything close to normal function do not. It is rude to infantilize them.

In addition, "nagging" is a word to be careful with. For one thing, it is usually only applied to women's behavior, which should be a red flag. For another thing, it's usually employed by people who seem to think that they should get to make the same mistake over and over without anybody pointing it out.

If a woman has to repeatedly ask her partner to clean up after himself, why is her behavior the target of a negative term? The passive-aggressive choice to ignore your partner's simple request is pretty lame, after all.

If putting the seat up or down really isn't a big deal, then why not do it if it your partner asks? And if it really is a big deal, then why trivialize your partner by saying she's "nagging"? If she asks you to put the seat down, but you ask her to put it up, then why is she "nagging" but you aren't?

*Shrug* Some people say it's fussy to ask that others put away the milk instead of leaving it out.


The behavior of a mother toward her child is probably not going to be the same as the behavior of a woman toward her partner. At least, not if the woman has anything approaching a healthy relationship with her partner. Children frequently require reminders and repetative instruction; adult human males of anything close to normal function do not. It is rude to infantilize them.

In addition, "nagging" is a word to be careful with. For one thing, it is usually only applied to women's behavior, which should be a red flag. For another thing, it's usually employed by people who seem to think that they should get to make the same mistake over and over without anybody pointing it out.

If a woman has to repeatedly ask her partner to clean up after himself, why is her behavior the target of a negative term? The passive-aggressive choice to ignore your partner's simple request is pretty lame, after all.

If putting the seat up or down really isn't a big deal, then why not do it if it your partner asks? And if it really is a big deal, then why trivialize your partner by saying she's "nagging"? If she asks you to put the seat down, but you ask her to put it up, then why is she "nagging" but you aren't?

because didn't they tell you Bottle? If a woman says anything that a man doesn't agree with we are either nagging, being irrational, or hormonal.

I put down the toilet seat down only because if I don't my girlfriends cat might fall in the toilet again.

because didn't they tell you Bottle? If a woman says anything that a man doesn't agree with we are either nagging, being irrational, or hormonal.
I know that I have used "nagging" to try to diminish the complaints that others have made about my behavior. It's a defense mechanism, and one that I have noticed I'm more likely to use when I know I'm probably in the wrong. I used to yell at my own mom for "nagging" me about my chores, when the truth was that she shouldn't have had to remind me to do the jobs that I knew I was supposed to be doing. I was trying to put her on the defensive so that I wouldn't have to feel selfish or lousy for failing to do my jobs.

Why you people lifting the seat at all? It's not like a public toilet where you're afraid to sit on the thing.

Sit down. It's better for you (you drain your bladder more fully), and it's less messy (men have lousy aim).

*Shrug* Some people say it's fussy to ask that others put away the milk instead of leaving it out.


The behavior of a mother toward her child is probably not going to be the same as the behavior of a woman toward her partner. At least, not if the woman has anything approaching a healthy relationship with her partner. Children frequently require reminders and repetative instruction; adult human males of anything close to normal function do not. It is rude to infantilize them.

In addition, "nagging" is a word to be careful with. For one thing, it is usually only applied to women's behavior, which should be a red flag. For another thing, it's usually employed by people who seem to think that they should get to make the same mistake over and over without anybody pointing it out.

If a woman has to repeatedly ask her partner to clean up after himself, why is her behavior the target of a negative term? The passive-aggressive choice to ignore your partner's simple request is pretty lame, after all.

If putting the seat up or down really isn't a big deal, then why not do it if it your partner asks? And if it really is a big deal, then why trivialize your partner by saying she's "nagging"? If she asks you to put the seat down, but you ask her to put it up, then why is she "nagging" but you aren't?


I use words that are typically used to describe women when I'm talking to guys as well. I'll quite often acuse a man of nagging or bitching or being a slut, ect. You have a point though, when I call men such names it's just seen as funny. Against women these words are have more of a negative affect. Okay then, I promise you that I'll try not to use these words when talking about females.

The thing about being asked to put the toilet seat down or to stop leaving things lying around, is that most of the time it just doesn't occur to me to do these things. I don't deliberately try to annoy people, I just see it as unimportant really. I don't see why people always nag about petty things. (Okay, things that I see as petty). Hopefully though when I move out next term me and my flatmates won't mind living in each others mess. :p

Indeed. It amazes me how many men act as though it requires some kind of serious effort to put down the seat...I've always managed to open the lid to use the toilet and put it back down after use, and I'm just a delicate flower of womanhood, not a big strong man.
The justification is the problem. The hygeine reason is a good one. The reason that many women give - which amounts to a requirement to structure everything for her convenience - is not a good reason.

The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back up after use?

We, as men, seem to get yelled at if the toilet seat is not down at all times. But this is not equality! After all, women do not put the seat up after use.

Men should put the seat down, but only if women put it up; a 50/50 solution. I believe that this should bring fairness to this messy dilemma.

I've read over your OP and the poll several times now - aren't "up" and "down" mixed up in the poll? :confused: :confused:

You're confusing me. Obviously.

my girlfriend came up with a pretty convincing argument about why it should be my job, she said something like

"if you get up in the middle of the night, half awake, eyes blurry, you can still stand up. If I get up in the middle of hte night, half awake, eyes blurry, I'm probably not going to notice that the seat is up."

I actually can respect this argument, and it makes sense. I personally hate getting woken up having to go to the bathroom, and I KNOW I'm not awake enough most of the time to cognitively think too much about it.

my girlfriend came up with a pretty convincing argument about why it should be my job, she said something like

"if you get up in the middle of the night, half awake, eyes blurry, you can still stand up. If I get up in the middle of hte night, half awake, eyes blurry, I'm probably not going to notice that the seat is up."

I actually can respect this argument, and it makes sense. I personally hate getting woken up having to go to the bathroom, and I KNOW I'm not awake enough most of the time to cognitively think too much about it.


I'm never awake enough to think too much about using the bathroom. Adult diapers can be your friend. :p

I use words that are typically used to describe women when I'm talking to guys as well. I'll quite often acuse a man of nagging or bitching or being a slut, ect. You have a point though, when I call men such names it's just seen as funny. Against women these words are have more of a negative affect. Okay then, I promise you that I'll try not to use these words when talking about females.

Hey, I'm not trying to be the word police. Like I said, I use words like that, too. I just think it's worth being careful with some terms, since a lot of people are pretty thoughless about the effect that they have on others.


The thing about being asked to put the toilet seat down or to stop leaving things lying around, is that most of the time it just doesn't occur to me to do these things. I don't deliberately try to annoy people, I just see it as unimportant really. I don't see why people always nag about petty things. (Okay, things that I see as petty). Hopefully though when I move out next term me and my flatmates won't mind living in each others mess. :p
Heh, believe me, I can empathize! I'm not tidy by nature, either. The biggest, nastiest fights I had with my mother were all about cleaning in one way or another. I never understood why it was important to dust bookshelves once a week (still don't!). And if you feel that somebody is making goofy demands, it makes sense for you to want to refer to those demands in a way that trivializes them...after all, they ARE trivial to you!

But living with other people requires a bit of accomodation, even accomodation of the trivial. My boyfriend has this thing where he hates it when people put their feet on pillows that he likes to use. Even if I just showered, it still ticks him off if my feet contact his pillow. Do I understand this? Hell no. But I understand that it gives him the willies, and I understand that I'd rather not give him the willies, so I don't do it.

The fact that he's had to "nag" me about putting my feet on his pillow really says something negative about ME. He shouldn't have to ask me repeatedly to respect his comfort zone!

my girlfriend came up with a pretty convincing argument about why it should be my job, she said something like

"if you get up in the middle of the night, half awake, eyes blurry, you can still stand up. If I get up in the middle of hte night, half awake, eyes blurry, I'm probably not going to notice that the seat is up."

I actually can respect this argument, and it makes sense. I personally hate getting woken up having to go to the bathroom, and I KNOW I'm not awake enough most of the time to cognitively think too much about it.
I've never personally fallen in, but if I had then my argument would go something like this:

"Darling, do you really want to get it on with me if my hindquarters have been dunked in toilet water?"

I've never personally fallen in, but if I had then my argument would go something like this:

"Darling, do you really want to get it on with me if my hindquarters have been dunked in toilet water?"

That's hot.

The justification is the problem. The hygeine reason is a good one. The reason that many women give - which amounts to a requirement to structure everything for her convenience - is not a good reason.
If your partner is asking you to do everything their way, that is pretty crappy. However, if you partner asks you to do some things purely for their comfort, and if they are willing to do the same for you in return, then I don't see the problem. I refrain from putting my feet on pillows for no reason other than my boyfriend's comfort and convenience, and I do this because I know that he accomodates my quirks in other areas.

If putting the seat up or down really isn't a big deal, then why not do it if it your partner asks? And if it really is a big deal, then why trivialize your partner by saying she's "nagging"? If she asks you to put the seat down, but you ask her to put it up, then why is she "nagging" but you aren't?

Because I think for some it's seem as at best laziness, and at worse a lack of respect. My theory on relationships is simple. If you are incapable of doing something, I will try to help you do it.

I'm taller than my girlfriend by a good 7 inches, I can reach stuff she can't. No problem.

I'm stronger than her, I can lift stuff she can't. No problem.

I'm a bit better with tools, I can fix stuff she can't. No problem.

But on issues like this, it's not asking one partner to do something you can't. It's asking them to do something your way because you prefer it that way, even though you're totally capable of doing it yourself. It is this sort of attitude that bothers me.

And there's a time and place for it. If you want something from the fridge, but are engrossed in your favorite tv show? No problem, I can get it for you. Doing work and don't want to answer the knock at the door because you don't want to be interrupted? OK.

Basically if you want me to do something for you, present to me two possible arguments:

1) you are incapable of doing it, or I can do it better
2) it is highly inconvenient for you to do it, and I will not be similiarly inconvenienced

If you can do that, no problem, I'll be nice.

If you can't, and simply want something done "your way", do it your own damn self.

The justification is the problem. The hygeine reason is a good one. The reason that many women give - which amounts to a requirement to structure everything for her convenience - is not a good reason.

the fact that it would be important enough for me to mention would make anything that I asked justified to my husband, especially if he was apathetic on the subject anyway.

It's why he hangs his towel on a certain rack, why he puts his coat in a certain closet.....and on the other side of the coin why I always put his socks away and why I always make sure to clean the coffee pot for him.

my girlfriend came up with a pretty convincing argument about why it should be my job, she said something like

"if you get up in the middle of the night, half awake, eyes blurry, you can still stand up. If I get up in the middle of hte night, half awake, eyes blurry, I'm probably not going to notice that the seat is up."

I actually can respect this argument, and it makes sense. I personally hate getting woken up having to go to the bathroom, and I KNOW I'm not awake enough most of the time to cognitively think too much about it.

So a person can be too tired to see a toilet seat, but not too tired to pee (standing up) without hitting it? I mean, is she happy to sit on a seat you may or may not have just urinated all over?

I've stayed awake for several days straight, and never been too tired to understand the difference between a toilet seat and not a toilet seat, heh. [scratches head]

That's hot.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were an entire online community dedicated to such a kink. Ahh, humanity...

Hey, I'm not trying to be the word police. Like I said, I use words like that, too. I just think it's worth being careful with some terms, since a lot of people are pretty thoughless about the effect that they have on others.
It's okay, I do agree with you about these words which are offensive to women. If it is my intention to insult somebody, it will certainly not have anything to do with their gender. So I shouldn't really be using gender-specific insults.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were an entire online community dedicated to such a kink. Ahh, humanity...

Knowing teh intarwebs, there are probably several.

If your partner is asking you to do everything their way, that is pretty crappy. However, if you partner asks you to do some things purely for their comfort, and if they are willing to do the same for you in return, then I don't see the problem. I refrain from putting my feet on pillows for no reason other than my boyfriend's comfort and convenience, and I do this because I know that he accomodates my quirks in other areas.

There is a fundamental difference. Your boyfriend can't not put your feet on the pillows. They're your feet.

I will do something to make my girlfriend happy if it is not something she is perfectly capable of doing herself (or if i'm just being nice about it).

But it is certainly unreasonable for your partner to expect you to do something, anything, soley for your benefit, that you are perfectly capable of doing yourself.

So a person can be too tired to see a toilet seat, but not too tired to pee (standing up) without hitting it? I mean, is she happy to sit on a seat you may or may not have just urinated all over?

I've stayed awake for several days straight, and never been too tired to understand the difference between a toilet seat and not a toilet seat, heh. [scratches head]

there's a part I left out of the story.

My girlfriend wears contacts, which she of course takes off when she goes to sleep. Without them she's as blind as a bat.

I can see when I get up suddenly, she can't.

there's a part I left out of the story.

My girlfriend wears contacts, which she of course takes off when she goes to sleep. Without them she's as blind as a bat.

I can see when I get up suddenly, she can't.

That's starting to make a bit more sense. I forget that other people have eyes that suck =)

Because I think for some it's seem as at best laziness, and at worse a lack of respect. My theory on relationships is simple. If you are incapable of doing something, I will try to help you do it.

I'm taller than my girlfriend by a good 7 inches, I can reach stuff she can't. No problem.

I'm stronger than her, I can lift stuff she can't. No problem.

I'm a bit better with tools, I can fix stuff she can't. No problem.

But on issues like this, it's not asking one partner to do something you can't. It's asking them to do something your way because you prefer it that way, even though you're totally capable of doing it yourself. It is this sort of attitude that bothers me.

At a certain point, I would agree with you. However, when you're living with somebody else I think there are times when you just accomodate your partner's quirks. Since you share space together, there are times when you can't both get things exactly the way you might have them if you lived alone. I don't have any problem compromising, as long as neither party is feeling like they're getting shafted.

I think it largely has to do with how the discussion is set up. If she's acting like she's entitled to have you act however she wants, that's going to make you feel lousy and you obviously aren't going to be inclined to do anything just for her comfort. However, if she simply says that she'd appreciate it and it would be a small kindness that you could do her, I really don't see any reason not to do it. It's not like it requires any significant effort.


And there's a time and place for it. If you want something from the fridge, but are engrossed in your favorite tv show? No problem, I can get it for you. Doing work and don't want to answer the knock at the door because you don't want to be interrupted? OK.

Basically if you want me to do something for you, present to me two possible arguments:

1) you are incapable of doing it, or I can do it better
2) it is highly inconvenient for you to do it, and I will not be similiarly inconvenienced

If you can do that, no problem, I'll be nice.

If you can't, and simply want something done "your way", do it your own damn self.
*Shrug* I guess it's a matter of personality. When it comes to the person I'm dating, I don't usually require that they provide me with arguments for being kind to them, because I usually feel like being kind to them as it is. If I didn't feel that way about them, I wouldn't date them. If I didn't normally feel inclined to be nice to somebody then I definitely wouldn't try to live with them for any extended period of time. But that's just my personality.

But it is certainly unreasonable for your partner to expect you to do something, anything, soley for your benefit, that you are perfectly capable of doing yourself.
I don't expect anything from my husband, I ask him to do things to help me, and I do things to help him, niether of us are required to do these things, but I think I might be annoyed if he didn't.

So a person can be too tired to see a toilet seat, but not too tired to pee (standing up) without hitting it? I mean, is she happy to sit on a seat you may or may not have just urinated all over?

That seems to be a great argument for why he should have to sit down! :D

But it is certainly unreasonable for your partner to expect you to do something, anything, soley for your benefit, that you are perfectly capable of doing yourself.
It would be unreasonable of my partner to simply assume that I will know to do something, without him mentioning it or letting me know about it. It would be unreasonable of him to assume that I will accomodate anything and everything he asks. But it is not necessarily unreasonable of him to ask that I do something solely for his benefit, even if he is capable of doing it.

For instance, my boyfriend also asks that I reset the microwave to zero after I use it (instead of leaving a couple seconds left from whatever I was heating up, which is what I normally do because I always have to take stuff out before the microwave actually beeps "done"). He's obviously quite capable of just hitting the "clear" button when he gets to the microwave, but he's asked me to clear it when I'm done simply because it bugs him if I don't. So I do it, because why not? It doesn't cost me anything, and it increases his comfort.

Meanwhile, he accomodates the fact that I can't stand it when people wear shoes in the bathroom. I don't know why, but shoes in the bathroom bug the hell out of me. He also puts the lid down. :)

It's not like it's a set give-and-take exchange, so much as the fact that we both cut each other some slack and try to make each other comfortable.

But, again, this is just our system for living together, and it's what works for our personalities and our relationship. Some people aren't going to be happy doing this kind of thing, and I'm not about to suggest that everybody should model their romantic lives on mine (heaven forbid!!).

*Shrug* I guess it's a matter of personality. When it comes to the person I'm dating, I don't usually require that they provide me with arguments for being kind to them, because I usually feel like being kind to them as it is. If I didn't feel that way about them, I wouldn't date them. If I didn't normally feel inclined to be nice to somebody then I definitely wouldn't try to live with them for any extended period of time. But that's just my personality.

I don't mean in a literal sense of "give me a good reason", it's more just a matter of making it seem that one would prefer his/her partner to be inconvenienced more than he/she him/herself would want to be inconvenienced.

I don't want a rational argument for it...if I know I can do something better, or easier, or it would inconvenience me less than it would her, I'm happy to do it.

But from some conceptual level it bothers me if I'm to be expected to do something for her that she is equally capable of doing, and would inconvenience her no more than it would inconvenience me.

I wouldn't ask anyone else to do that, I would never expect anyone to do something for me I am perfectly capable of doing, with no less inconvenience, and no less difficulty. I think it's a respect thing, you should value my time and effort just as much as you value your own, and to expect me to do something for you that you can do yourself with no more time and effort than it would take me is to say to me that you value your own time and effort more so than you do mine, and that bothers me.

I'm a girl, but at my house my brothers and I not only put the seat down, but close the lid, out of concern for our cat. She's too fascinated by water (she's jumped into a fall bathtub before, and she always hangs around the shower) for us to leave her the opportunity to jump in.

No; all parties should put the lid down. Two reasons:
A) It is fair.
B) It prevents crap being sprayed on the toothbrushes, as Smunkee seems to have beaten me to saying.
I think I can add a third reason to that:

What, in the name of all that is toilet-related, is the point in having a toilet lid if it stays up all the sodding time?

I'm a girl, but at my house my brothers and I not only put the seat down, but close the lid, out of concern for our cat. She's too fascinated by water (she's jumped into a fall bathtub before, and she always hangs around the shower) for us to leave her the opportunity to jump in.

When my cat and dog were still alive, they used to drink out of the toilet quite often even though there was always water in their bowl. Maybe water out of a toilet actually tastes better than tap water...

Umm... Isn't it already up after a man has used it?

Shouldn't the poll ask if we should put it _down_?
Heh. Silly mistake, but you know what I meant. :p

When my cat and dog were still alive, they used to drink out of the toilet quite often even though there was always water in their bowl. Maybe water out of a toilet actually tastes better than tap water...

Hmmm.... Maybe. All though my cat seems to drink water directly from the faucet in the bathtub.

I've read over your OP and the poll several times now - aren't "up" and "down" mixed up in the poll? :confused: :confused:

You're confusing me. Obviously.
I wanted a less serious thread after arguing about the root definition of atheism. Everyone is allowed to make a mistake with the toilet seat occasionally. :p

The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back down after use?

We, as men, seem to get yelled at if the toilet seat is not down at all times. But this is not equality! After all, women do not put the seat up after use.

Men should put the seat down, but only if women put it up; a 50/50 solution. I believe that this should bring fairness to this messy dilemma.

Men should sit down when peeing.

Men should sit down when peeing.

Pfft. Why would we want to replicate one of the weaknesses of being female?

People complain about the continuing lack of equality between men and women in the workplace. I bet it's all to do with the fact that it takes women twice as long in the toilet, so the men are able to impress the boss for longer.

Pfft. Why would we want to replicate one of the weaknesses of being female?

People complain about the continuing lack of equality between men and women in the workplace. I bet it's all to do with the fact that it takes women twice as long in the toilet, so the men are able to impress the boss for longer.

What, just because you're not able to impress the boss as easy and as fast as we do means that we have to deal with your poor aim in the bathroom? :p

What, just because you're not able to impress the boss as easy and as fast as we do means that we have to deal with your poor aim in the bathroom? :p

Maybe we're intentionally missing to hold you up in there as long as possible. ;)

Maybe we're intentionally missing to hold you up in there as long as possible. ;)

Eeeeeeeewwwww..... *hands Philosopy bucket, gloves and brush*

Your mess, you clean it.

Eeeeeeeewwwww..... *hands Philosopy bucket, gloves and brush*

Your mess, you clean it.
*Pretends he hasn't even been in the toilet*

I'm not cleaning that, I didn't do it.

*Pretends he hasn't even been in the toilet*

I'm not cleaning that, I didn't do it.

Believe me, you don't want me to check that. :p

Believe me, you don't want me to check that. :p
:eek:

*Quickly cleans toilet*

The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back down after use?



I dont know how you do it but every time I use the seat part it already is down after use.


It saves a bit of time to leave it up after I pee though since I will probably urinate again before I defacate. It is just efficient to leave the seat in a vertical attitude..
If you think she gets a bit uptight about the toilet seat being left vertical by an efficient man when her highness arrives at the throne then you ought to see her light up the atmosphere when an even more efficient gent never lifts the seat in the first place. It is a truly spectacular display.

The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back down after use?

We, as men, seem to get yelled at if the toilet seat is not down at all times. But this is not equality! After all, women do not put the seat up after use.

Men should put the seat down, but only if women put it up; a 50/50 solution. I believe that this should bring fairness to this messy dilemma.Here's a better solution: Pee while sitting. It'll make less of a mess to clean too ;)

The most serious question in any mixed sex relationship: should men put the toilet seat back down after use?

We, as men, seem to get yelled at if the toilet seat is not down at all times. But this is not equality! After all, women do not put the seat up after use.

Men should put the seat down, but only if women put it up; a 50/50 solution. I believe that this should bring fairness to this messy dilemma.

both parties should just close the toilet lid.

that way its equal efffort - both close it, and both have to open it.
plus it stops stinky smells getting out
and having it open is apparently bad luck too

:)

both parties should just close the toilet lid.

that way its equal efffort - both close it, and both have to open it.
plus it stops stinky smells getting out
and having it open is apparently bad luck too

:)

I always close it... and I'm currently training my bf ;)

I whole-heartedly endorse the toilet lid being down.

"As a woman", I honestly cannot express the total and utter lack of caring that I feel towards the state of a toilet seat.

If relationships have "problems" such as this, it's usually people looking for an excuse to get annoyed at the partner, when there's a bigger underlying person. No-one could really care that much about a toilet seat.

Well, unless they're insane or something.

(I can understand hygiene reasons, and I can understand people finding stuff an annoying habit. But seriously... I can't understand people making it into a big deal, or it somehow being a negative aspect of a person or relationship...)

Let's analyse.

1. For women it's cool to have male friends, cos they're just friends. Blokes can't though, cos they're 'obviously having an affair'.

2. Men need to make themselves clear in what they're saying, because how can a woman understand them otherwise? Women, however, may say exactly the opposite of what they really mean because that's 'the way it works'.

3. Guys who cheat on their partners are bastards. Girls who cheat are 'not getting enough affection at home'.

4. If a bloke lies, he can never be trusted again. If a woman lies, 'she has her reasons'.

5. Where a man and a woman have drunken sex, it is quite clearly the man's fault because he 'raped her'.

6. And of course, women love to wear tops with bizarre slogans across their chests because it gives them a reason to complain that 'blokes are always looking at my tits'.

So, bearing in mind that the female half of our population lives by such a religion, is there really any point in wondering about the toilet seat question in the first place? Surely we should be there to wipe the woman's arse as well, so it's OUR responsibility what happens to the seat when they've finished with it anyway.


Ooooh, I nearly forgot. A woman's mobile phone is sacred. A man's mobile phone is a public document open for all to read.

Let's analyse.

1. For women it's cool to have male friends, cos they're just friends. Blokes can't though, cos they're 'obviously having an affair'.

2. Men need to make themselves clear in what they're saying, because how can a woman understand them otherwise? Women, however, may say exactly the opposite of what they really mean because that's 'the way it works'.

3. Guys who cheat on their partners are bastards. Girls who cheat are 'not getting enough affection at home'.

4. If a bloke lies, he can never be trusted again. If a woman lies, 'she has her reasons'.

5. Where a man and a woman have drunken sex, it is quite clearly the man's fault because he 'raped her'.

6. And of course, women love to wear tops with bizarre slogans across their chests because it gives them a reason to complain that 'blokes are always looking at my tits'.

So, bearing in mind that the female half of our population lives by such a religion, is there really any point in wondering about the toilet seat question in the first place? Surely we should be there to wipe the woman's arse as well, so it's OUR responsibility what happens to the seat when they've finished with it anyway.


Ooooh, I nearly forgot. A woman's mobile phone is sacred. A man's mobile phone is a public document open for all to read.

Yeah, right. We're all like that, you've sussed us all out. :rolleyes:

1. For women it's cool to have male friends, cos they're just friends. Blokes can't though, cos they're 'obviously having an affair'.
So... no guys are ever jealous or possesive of their girlfriends and are all totally laid-back and secure in themselves?
And all women control their partner's friendships and are paranoid freaks?

2. Men need to make themselves clear in what they're saying, because how can a woman understand them otherwise? Women, however, may say exactly the opposite of what they really mean because that's 'the way it works'.
Personally, I hate two-faced people. I hate people saying stuff they don't mean and then getting annoyed at you for taking them sincerely. I hate mind-games, and secret "tests". And, unfortunately, I find these traits in plenty of women and men. And, fortunately, I'm sane enough to steer clear pf people who do that, and choose to be with people (men and women) who won't mess me round with that kind of thing.

In the end, everyone can be confusing, whether on purpose or not. Not everyone expresses themself clearly, and not everyone has healthy ways of dealing with situations. Not everyone knows enough about themself for other people to be able to figure them out. Humans, by nature, are complex and pretty damn confusing to understand. This isn't a trait only held by women, and it isn't only justified by women.

And 99% of people seem to be guilty of justifying behaviour with phrases such as "that's just how us men work", "that's in a woman's nature", "boys will be boys", "that's women for you", etc etc.

3. Guys who cheat on their partners are bastards. Girls who cheat are 'not getting enough affection at home'.
So.. some guys who cheat and mess people around aren't called studs and admired for their "way with the women"? And women who cheat aren't labelled as sluts and whores?

It's seeming more and more likely that you've been in some crappy relationships with bitches who've screwed you over, and you've perhaps happened to have chosen friends with similar relationship problems, and then decided to deal with it all by moaning about women instead of, you know, trying to find people who are half decent. Or you've been a real jerk in relationships, and can't deal with the guilt, so try and twist it round. Whatever the reason for your bitter, sexist, cop-out generalising, your view on all this is seriously unhealthy.

So, bearing in mind that the female half of our population lives by such a religion
Do you seriously believe that half the population are the same?
Perhaps this is the cause of so many of the problems you seem to be having with women... Treating the people you start relationships with as people, and not some homogenous blob of "females", might be a good idea. And perhaps looking for a woman who isn't jealous, controlling, hypocritical, a liar, disloyal and plain stupid.

Yeah, right. We're all like that, you've sussed us all out. :rolleyes:

In fairness, I have to admit I've never worked out the reasoning behind point number 6. Your eye does catch the slogan...and then you realise where you're looking. It can be slightly awkward.

Women, however, may say exactly the opposite of what they really mean

Yeah, right. We're all like that, you've sussed us all out. :rolleyes:

Hehehe... :p

You're supporting his point Cabra! :eek:

*gets hysterical and starts bitch fight with Cabra*
*spreads rumours and gossips in a group of girls in the toilets*
*blames it on all men and starts slagging them off*
*goes for a nice shopping spree, with a bar of cadbury in her bag to calm down*

:D

In fairness, I have to admit I've never worked out the reasoning behind point number 6. Your eye does catch the slogan...and then you realise where you're looking. It can be slightly awkward.
Perhaps they just think the slogan's witty/like the picture/think it's a nice colour etc?

Yes, plenty of women (including me) often wear clothes with the intention of getting attention, often sexual. And suggesting otherwise annoys me too. But I honestly dont think it's the case with t-shirts with slogans (unless they're obviously sexual) in the vast majority of cases. People like to wear nice clothes, and will chose tops with things on the front that they like *shrugs*

Perhaps they just think the slogan's witty/like the picture/think it's a nice colour etc?

Yes, plenty of women (including me) often wear clothes with the intention of getting attention, often sexual. And suggesting otherwise annoys me too. But I honestly dont think it's the case with t-shirts with slogans (unless they're obviously sexual) in the vast majority of cases. People like to wear nice clothes, and will chose tops with things on the front that they like *shrugs*

I just wanna know if I'm supposed to read it or not...

Perhaps they just think the slogan's witty/like the picture/think it's a nice colour etc?

Yes, plenty of women (including me) often wear clothes with the intention of getting attention, often sexual. And suggesting otherwise annoys me too. But I honestly dont think it's the case with t-shirts with slogans (unless they're obviously sexual) in the vast majority of cases. People like to wear nice clothes, and will chose tops with things on the front that they like *shrugs*

If they want to wear those things, it's fine; all I'm saying is that if I wore something that was witty/a nice picture/ a nice colour in my trouser region, I would have waived any right to complain about people staring down there.

If you draw attention to something, it's your fault if people look at it. We're not all sex crazed freaks incapable of looking at anything other than a woman's tits.

If they want to wear those things, it's fine; all I'm saying is that if I wore something that was witty/a nice picture/ a nice colour in my trouser region, I would have waived any right to complain about people staring down there.

If you draw attention to something, it's your fault if people look at it. We're not all sex crazed freaks incapable of looking at anything other than a woman's tits.
Indeed. I agree, and would never say different.

(I guess I could say that there's no need to "stare" but that's just me being pedantic with the wording :p)

Hehehe... :p

You're supporting his point Cabra! :eek:

*gets hysterical and starts bitch fight with Cabra*
*spreads rumours and gossips in a group of girls in the toilets*
*blames it on all men and starts slagging them off*
*goes for a nice shopping spree, with a bar of cadbury in her bag to calm down*
*goes home to eat a tub of ben & jerrys while curled up on the sofa crying at romantic movies starring bloody hugh grant*

:D

*added for extra stereotypical-ness ;)

*added for extra stereotypical-ness ;)
Hahahaha :D

I just wanna know if I'm supposed to read it or not...
Sure *shrugs* (<-- the opinion of me, one women in a mass of about 3 billion)

Sure *shrugs* (<-- the opinion of me, one women in a mass of about 3 billion)

*checks "Yes" box next to Glitziness*

Hehehe... :p

You're supporting his point Cabra! :eek:

*gets hysterical and starts bitch fight with Cabra*
*spreads rumours and gossips in a group of girls in the toilets*
*blames it on all men and starts slagging them off*
*goes for a nice shopping spree, with a bar of cadbury in her bag to calm down*

:D

*lol
I can't help it if this guy has problems understanding irony :p Must be all in our superior femal brain power.

Let's analyse.Ditto.
1. For women it's cool to have male friends, cos they're just friends. Blokes can't though, cos they're 'obviously having an affair'.Nah. I have plenty of female friends that I'm not having affairs with.
2. Men need to make themselves clear in what they're saying, because how can a woman understand them otherwise? Women, however, may say exactly the opposite of what they really mean because that's 'the way it works'.A bit skewed, but you have a point. We guys do have the problem of "You guys are so obtuse" and "Why does every guy interpret a friendly smile as an offer for sex" to deal with.
3. Guys who cheat on their partners are bastards. Girls who cheat are 'not getting enough affection at home'.Nah, not really. The sword cuts both ways.
4. If a bloke lies, he can never be trusted again. If a woman lies, 'she has her reasons'.I don't trust women that lie to me.
5. Where a man and a woman have drunken sex, it is quite clearly the man's fault because he 'raped her'.Not necessarily, but I don't see very many men being taken advantage of by women while in a drunken state, while the opposite is something I see quite a bit.
6. And of course, women love to wear tops with bizarre slogans across their chests because it gives them a reason to complain that 'blokes are always looking at my tits'.I have yet to be bitched at for that.
So, bearing in mind that the female half of our population lives by such a religion, is there really any point in wondering about the toilet seat question in the first place? Surely we should be there to wipe the woman's arse as well, so it's OUR responsibility what happens to the seat when they've finished with it anyway.Meh. Just take a leak while sitting down.
Ooooh, I nearly forgot. A woman's mobile phone is sacred. A man's mobile phone is a public document open for all to read.Huh? :confused:

In fairness, I have to admit I've never worked out the reasoning behind point number 6. Your eye does catch the slogan...and then you realise where you're looking. It can be slightly awkward.

I'm not sure I have an answer myself... it may be to do with socialisation.
Personally, I love low-cut tops, but I don't mind guys staring. I tend to take that as a compliment.
My guess is that the intention behind wearing tight and tiny tops is definitely to attrackt attention, both male and female. The negative reaction once the attention is given may be down to insecurity about how to handle the situation.
I find myself caught up in situations like that occasionally, especially when it comes to sex. I love it, I'm not shy about telling men what I like, and I enjoy it. But somewhere deep, deep down in my subconscience, this sometimes wakes this nasty little implant that my upbringing put there, and starts trying to tell me that sure, I should enjoy myself, but after all it's the men who want it from me not the other way around, and that I should make sure to have them beg for it now and then, because otherwise I would have to feel cheap.... I normally tell that little voice where to stick it, but I could imagine that other girls have a much harder time with it.

I'm not sure I have an answer myself... it may be to do with socialisation.
Personally, I love low-cut tops, but I don't mind guys staring. I tend to take that as a compliment.
My guess is that the intention behind wearing tight and tiny tops is definitely to attrackt attention, both male and female. The negative reaction once the attention is given may be down to insecurity about how to handle the situation.
I find myself caught up in situations like that occasionally, especially when it comes to sex. I love it, I'm not shy about telling men what I like, and I enjoy it. But somewhere deep, deep down in my subconscience, this sometimes wakes this nasty little implant that my upbringing put there, and starts trying to tell me that sure, I should enjoy myself, but after all it's the men who want it from me not the other way around, and that I should make sure to have them beg for it now and then, because otherwise I would have to feel cheap.... I normally tell that little voice where to stick it, but I could imagine that other girls have a much harder time with it.

So, mark "Yes" for you then?

So, mark "Yes" for you then?

Sure. :D

So, mark "Yes" for you then?

Don't ask permission to look at women's tits, learn the art of doing it discreetly. ;)

Don't ask permission to look at women's tits, learn the art of doing it discreetly. ;)

Aw... where's the fun in that?

Nah. I have plenty of female friends that I'm not having affairs with.

What I mean is, guys always get accused of knocking off women if they are just friends with them.

What I mean is, guys always get accused of knocking off women if they are just friends with them.

Right... and women never get the same treatment?
I was once accused of having an affair with a gay (!) friend, because my partner assumed that this person was only "faking"homosexuality to get girls...

the guy could solve all toilet seat issues by pissing in the sink.
Thus, the seat can stay down the whole time!
Simple, yet ingenious.

the guy could solve all toilet seat issues by pissing in the sink.
Thus, the seat can stay down the whole time!
Simple, yet ingenious.

That made me snort hot tea through my nose... :( :D :( :D

That made me snort hot tea through my nose... :( :D :( :D
cool trick. Don't think it could make you much of a superhero though.

cool trick. Don't think it could make you much of a superhero though.

Superhero? Tea Woman? The awsome power of gradually released caffein? Fear my two sugars?



No... doesn't really work, does it?

the guy could solve all toilet seat issues by pissing in the sink.
Thus, the seat can stay down the whole time!
Simple, yet ingenious.
That reminded me of the old thread about this issue, that thing was awesome.:D

Bizzare answers...
My take on it: The whole fecal mist thing is nasty, plus with two very large dogs taking an interest in all things watery, it's just better to put the seat down. Not to mention eliminating the occasional "Oops I dropped the toothpaste cap in the toilet bowl" event.
As for actually using it; My manhood is secure enough to sit down to pee. I use the opportunity to leaf thru mail or a magazine. It's nice to get a sit down break once in awhile.
Needless to say, this is NOT the most important question in my relationship. Strange this issue was phrased that way. If true, you must have a fantastic relationship if this is the worst issue to confront...:D

Let's analyse.

1. For women it's cool to have male friends, cos they're just friends. Blokes can't though, cos they're 'obviously having an affair'.

2. Men need to make themselves clear in what they're saying, because how can a woman understand them otherwise? Women, however, may say exactly the opposite of what they really mean because that's 'the way it works'.

3. Guys who cheat on their partners are bastards. Girls who cheat are 'not getting enough affection at home'.

4. If a bloke lies, he can never be trusted again. If a woman lies, 'she has her reasons'.

5. Where a man and a woman have drunken sex, it is quite clearly the man's fault because he 'raped her'.

6. And of course, women love to wear tops with bizarre slogans across their chests because it gives them a reason to complain that 'blokes are always looking at my tits'.

So, bearing in mind that the female half of our population lives by such a religion, is there really any point in wondering about the toilet seat question in the first place? Surely we should be there to wipe the woman's arse as well, so it's OUR responsibility what happens to the seat when they've finished with it anyway.


Ooooh, I nearly forgot. A woman's mobile phone is sacred. A man's mobile phone is a public document open for all to read.
There are plenty of women in the world who don't exhibit the behaviors you describe. If you choose to associate with stupid people, male or female, then don't bitch when they act stupid. If you choose to date rude, inconsiderate women, then don't bitch when they act rudely or inconsiderately. Figure out why you are attracted to women who are cruel to you, and try to fix that. Don't whimper and blame Womankind for your personal failings.

The obvious thing to do is to build every house with two bathrooms, a male and a female one. The seat in the female one shall be fixed down permanently, vice versa in the male one.

The obvious thing to do is to build every house with two bathrooms, a male and a female one. The seat in the female one shall be fixed down permanently, vice versa in the male one.

as a male, i do sometimes have uses for a toilet seat...

or do you want me to go shit in her bog?

as a male, i do sometimes have uses for a toilet seat...

or do you want me to go shit in her bog?

You could perfect the art of doing it standing up.

The obvious thing to do is to build every house with two bathrooms, a male and a female one. The seat in the female one shall be fixed down permanently, vice versa in the male one.

Agreed. If the male is the one cleaning the male bathroom.

You could perfect the art of doing it standing up.

aw come on man, that's kinda impossible with the seat down :-S