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Crisis over!

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/19/nkorea.kim.ap/index.html

Crisis over!

no it's not. notice it's only that he says he's sorry for the test and would go back to the talks if the US also backs down from insisting on sanctions.

but one test already happened... that cannot be taken back, that cannot be undone.

the crisis is not over until an agreement is made.

Yeah. Sorry that they didn't go as well as he had hoped.

Sorry that he pissed off China.

Sorry that his bluff got called.

Haha, crazy little man.

Yea, Sorry that he is now royality screwed.

Good. Now I can sleep again.:rolleyes:

no it's not. notice it's only that he says he's sorry for the test and would go back to the talks if the US also backs down from insisting on sanctions.

but one test already happened... that cannot be taken back, that cannot be undone.

the crisis is not over until an agreement is made.
Somehow, you remind me of Shylock from the Merchant of Venice. :(

China has been able to persuade Kim to express remorse. Ease up on any proposed sanctions as a sign of goodwill and then lay the foundation for meaningful talks.

Bush's hardline tactics has been a big part of the problem. If anyone needs to show any sense of goodwill, it is the US.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/19/nkorea.kim.ap/index.html

Crisis over!

I wonder how recent that picture is? He looks pretty ragged...like he hasn't slept much lately.

I'm guessing China threatened to support a coup, replacing Kim with someone more controllable. The last thing Kim wants is to lose power, so it's back to the negotiating table...the only question is for how long?

This thing isn't over, not by a long shot.

Somehow, you remind me of Shylock from the Merchant of Venice. :(

China has been able to persuade Kim to express remorse. Ease up on any proposed sanctions as a sign of goodwill and then lay the foundation for meaningful talks.

Bush's hardline tactics has been a big part of the problem. If anyone needs to show any sense of goodwill, it is the US.

How do you know that Kim isn't just saying this just to get the sanction lifted? In fact I'm pretty sure that he's not really sorry.

How do you know that Kim isn't just saying this just to get the sanction lifted? In fact I'm pretty sure that he's not really sorry.
Oh, I think he is really sorry. I think that the Chinese envoy that recently visited NK, made it extremely clear what China's position is.

I wonder how recent that picture is? He looks pretty ragged...like he hasn't slept much lately.

I'm guessing China threatened to support a coup, replacing Kim with someone more controllable. The last thing Kim wants is to lose power, so it's back to the negotiating table...the only question is for how long?

This thing isn't over, not by a long shot.
I think China has mor influence over Kim then most would suspect. If anyone could remove Kim from power, it would be the Chinese.

Oh, I think he is really sorry. I think that the Chinese envoy that recently visited NK, made it extremely clear what China's position is.

Yea...and as soon as the sanction are lifted, he goes back to his same ol' self to his same old rethrotics and does the second Nuclear test while laughing at the world.

He never would have got far with the limited amount of nukes anyway, he could have hurt south korea a lot, but then he'd just get invaded, i think that he only used the nuclear test as a bargaining chip, not many nations would attack them if they knew that N.korea had nukes, so now they'll have to come to a deal with N.korea

I'll bet he does.

A nuclear armed NK is the opening for a nuclear armed Japan and Taiwan. Both of those countries will do it faster and a lot better than NK.

Really, it's china's problem, not the US's. Hoisted by their own petard.

I think that the US should stay out of this totally.

Yea...and as soon as the sanction are lifted, he goes back to his same ol' self to his same old rethrotics and does the second Nuclear test while laughing at the world.
Much of the NK problem heated up after the election of George W., and especially when Dubya stated that NK was part of the "Axis of Evil", back in 2002.

Here is a good documentary (45 minutes), but explains a lot:

North Korea Nuclear Documentary (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3787046457101273554)

Ok we'll lift sanctions, but we'll also put Nukes in N. Korea's back yard, S. Korea, and Japan. If he tries the 2nd one, well, goodbye N. Korea.

Much of the NK problem heated up after the election of George W., and especially when Dubya stated that NK was part of the "Axis of Evil", back in 2002.


Well naturally. Clearly Kim Jong Il has access to a tardis, and after GWB was elected he was able to go back in time and retroactively declare continuous war against the united states.

It's a well known fact that before the so-called 'tardis' event that North Koreans were generally brought up to respect the United States and its peace loving people.

Though it's china's problem now. Not the US's. LOL

Somehow, you remind me of Shylock from the Merchant of Venice. :(

China has been able to persuade Kim to express remorse. Ease up on any proposed sanctions as a sign of goodwill and then lay the foundation for meaningful talks.

Bush's hardline tactics has been a big part of the problem. If anyone needs to show any sense of goodwill, it is the US.yep and China was making such big headways untill they too got on the sanction bandwagon.

then Kim II said... "oops, sorry."

after he did his test. Success or failure, he still defied the UN. But that doesn't matter to you. as long as the US backs down, you're happy.

The US as the only nuclear transgressor in the region, let alone in human history, has no business pursuing sovereignty infringing aims, I for one do not trust anything the US says at face value, nor do I trust them with nuclear arms. Dubya has proved far more unstable than the DPRK on the military front as far as track records, I dont think direct bilateral talks will do any good, and I have no idea why the DPRK wants them, especially when they know better than anyone the only 'diplomatic' tools the US has are a arm-twisting device and a jackboot.

I'll bet he does.

A nuclear armed NK is the opening for a nuclear armed Japan and Taiwan. Both of those countries will do it faster and a lot better than NK.

Really, it's china's problem, not the US's. Hoisted by their own petard.

I think that the US should stay out of this totally.

I agree. This is not our axis, not only do we not have as much sway as China, but China would probably be irked by our intervention in their part of the world. The world is changing and America can no longer be treated as the world diplomat. We must pass these responsibilities onto people who can achieve them better.

China is not the unstable child of a revolution any longer.

yep and China was making such big headways untill they too got on the sanction bandwagon.

then Kim II said... "oops, sorry."

after he did his test. Success or failure, he still defied the UN. But that doesn't matter to you. as long as the US backs down, you're happy.
Well, as long as GWB is in the Oval Office, the US really needs to cut back on the foreign policy of issuing threats. I think it has helped heat up the arms race, especially after the invasion of Iraq.

Ask yourself this.....Who would be most affected by sanctions?

Well, as long as GWB is in the Oval Office, the US really needs to cut back on the foreign policy of issuing threats. I think it has helped heat up the arms race, especially after the invasion of Iraq.

Ask yourself this.....Who would be most affected by sanctions?

Well the main thing is the US backs down. Nothing else matters. In fact I encourage every nation on the planet to have nuclear weapons. If only Idi Amin's Uganda had them - and ICBMs - then the whole world would be a much better place.

I really can't believe people are buying this "apology". I guess there really is a sucker born every second. Do yall still think that N. Korea or Iran want Nuclear for their power plants? :rolleyes:

I really can't believe people are buying this "apology". I guess there really is a sucker born every second. Do yall still think that N. Korea or Iran want Nuclear for their power plants? :rolleyes:

I have to agree. Kim might be sorry that he's got himself into trouble with China, but I don't believe he's sorry about the nuclear test at all. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. I expect he will keep developing nuclear weapons, albeit not as openly. He clearly has a poor grasp of reality.

I'll bet he'd be a lot less apologetic if he'd actually y'know detonated a nuke rather than just fizzling one.

And A nuclear armed South Korea ain't gonna happen, despite the American military presence and even without nuclear armed missiles, North Korea can crush Seol almost as soon as it is so much as rumored that South Korea might get the bomb.
The Norkies would lose that war but if they were nuclear armed (the only reason South Korea would also be nuclear armed) any response/defense wouldn't even cross the border.

oh and
Well naturally. Clearly Kim Jong Il has access to a tardis, and after GWB was elected he was able to go back in time and retroactively declare continuous war against the united states.

It's a well known fact that before the so-called 'tardis' event that North Koreans were generally brought up to respect the United States and its peace loving people.

Though it's china's problem now. Not the US's. LOL

no Tardis necesary, the Korean War never officially ended.

Japan is not going to get nukes. Politicians are trying hard not to lose their heads there right now because they did so much as blink in that general direction.

And A nuclear armed South Korea ain't gonna happen, despite the American military presence and even without nuclear armed missiles, North Korea can crush Seol almost as soon as it is so much as rumored that South Korea might get the bomb.
Of all the countries in the area the South Koreans would be the most likely (Taiwan would never get it past the PRC) - and since South Korea isn't exactly keen on the bomb either, you can see that the chances of a far east gone all nuclear aren't that great.

Kim's regime is hanging by a thread right now, because the Chinese finally got pissed off enough to do something about it. They were willing to tolerate all sorts of crap, but Kim wielding a nuke after he presumably promised them not to...and Kim can't survive without the Chinese, his regime would simply be replaced by a pro-Chinese puppet state (which may actually be much better for the populace). So that's why poor little Kim has now been made to stand in the corner for a while.

As for the sanctions...I don't think North Korea deserves to be integrated into international finance. I mean, even apart from all the proliferation - this is a government that deals in drugs and counterfeit money!

Yea...and as soon as the sanction are lifted, he goes back to his same ol' self to his same old rethrotics and does the second Nuclear test while laughing at the world.

Then China replaces him.

We'll see. But it's nice to know that international pressure can have some effect.

Somehow, you remind me of Shylock from the Merchant of Venice. :(

China has been able to persuade Kim to express remorse. Ease up on any proposed sanctions as a sign of goodwill and then lay the foundation for meaningful talks.

Bush's hardline tactics has been a big part of the problem. If anyone needs to show any sense of goodwill, it is the US.

We've done the talking bit, every so often Kim goes crazy makes some demands and in the interest of goodwill we concede a bit. All the while he's doing exactly what he wants. Our talk and goodwill have given NK a nuke. His only remorse is that China is pissed.

We'll see. But it's nice to know that international pressure can have some effect.

This is Kim Jong Il we're talking about. He'll probably deny he said any such thing tomorrow.

Yeah Kim is sorry, but not to us. He is damn sorry to China. I think Kim started feeling regretful as sson as he discovered that Chinese officials *happened* to mention they were considering a 'regime change' in DPRK. Haha, I can imagine it.
*Kim is sitting in a dark room*
*The lights shine on him*
MYSTERIOUS VOICE: Hello Mr. Kim
*Kim squirms*
KIM: Look..I- ca-
MYSTERIOUS VOICE: The chairman is most displeased with you. Have you forgotten our arrangement?
*Kim bursts into tear*
KIM:*sob* I just thought people would.. I just want to be respected! *weeping*
MYSTERIOUS VOICE: Mr. Kim. Perhaps you are in need of an extended vacation.
KIM: No! Not that! Please! *more weeping*
MYSTERIOUS VOICE: Just how important do you think you are?
KIM:*Weeping* Noooooo. I don't wanna d-d-wahhahhahhh. Please anything! ANYTHING! I'll be good, I promise! I'll be good. I'll be good.
MYSTERIOUS VOICE: Good. Will we be hearing of anymore nuculear escapades Mr. Kim?
KIM: No! I swear! Take them, Take them all!
*Lights go off, plunging Kim in darkness*
KIM: Wait! Are you going to- Am I going to- Come back! *Sobbing*
:D

Kim is actually his surname. For Koreans the given and surnames are in opposite order from westerners.

Somehow, you remind me of Shylock from the Merchant of Venice. :(

China has been able to persuade Kim to express remorse. Ease up on any proposed sanctions as a sign of goodwill and then lay the foundation for meaningful talks.

Bush's hardline tactics has been a big part of the problem. If anyone needs to show any sense of goodwill, it is the US.


Your sooooo funny ....exactly who do you think proposed the 6 nation talks and got China so invoved and has been working with ALL the nations in the region to solve the problem of NK ?

Cant you take your" I hate Bush" hat off for at least a few seconds a day and let some fresh air into your head ?


Really your becomming a cartoon ...but your so close to the screen you cant see it.

Think about the reality of all the Diplomacy that has taken place and ask yourself WHO drove it and organized it and actually did everything possible to make it a team effort ?


Then go back to hating on Bush and whatever else floats your boat .

Kim is actually his surname. For Koreans the given and surnames are in opposite order from westerners.


youd think the chinese would know that...

Kim is actually his surname. For Koreans the given and surnames are in opposite order from westerners.

You beat me to it.

youd think the chinese would know that...

Especially since they also put their family name first.

Kim is actually his surname. For Koreans the given and surnames are in opposite order from westerners.Ah, like chinese. Good to know.

It's still funnier to call him L'il Kim

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/19/nkorea.kim.ap/index.html

Crisis over!

crisis is hardly over. one of the main reasons he "apologizes" for his actions is because he lost the public support of China. However, he has already proven himself to be a madman and a cheater when it comes to agreements. He can not be trusted, UN Sanctions should still be pursued and i think China is fed up with him no matter what. There may not be a war...but he may end up floating face down in a river somewhere.

he crossed the line, more than once, and alot of people are upset with him. it is time for his country to be opened up. what goes on in those borders can not be ignored any longer.

Wow, I've never seen such clumsy backpedalling.

I really can't believe people are buying this "apology". I guess there really is a sucker born every second. Do yall still think that N. Korea or Iran want Nuclear for their power plants? :rolleyes:

It's obvious that he's not actually sorry, but the point is that he's squirming, and not sticking to his guns. He's nervous, which makes it easier to get him to consent to an agreement that's in our favor.

So lets me get this shocking revelation straight

Kim is asking for us to make concessions in return for him making a concession that is really just status quo?

Who could have seen this one coming? Why, you'd have had to have paid marginal attention to NK over the past five or ten years to even GUESS he would do this.

Your sooooo funny ....exactly who do you think proposed the 6 nation talks and got China so invoved and has been working with ALL the nations in the region to solve the problem of NK ?

Cant you take your" I hate Bush" hat off for at least a few seconds a day and let some fresh air into your head ?


Really your becomming a cartoon ...but your so close to the screen you cant see it.

Think about the reality of all the Diplomacy that has taken place and ask yourself WHO drove it and organized it and actually did everything possible to make it a team effort ?


Then go back to hating on Bush and whatever else floats your boat .


absolutely correct. People should get partisan on this issue. fact is, Bilateral talks were tried during the Clinton administration. Jimmy Carter and Sec. of State Albright, both accomplished international figures, exhausted the negotiating process with Kim. He cheated, he lied and he thumbed his nose repeatedly at them during and after the administration. This man defines duplicity.

After Bilateral talks failed and Kim was on his way to developing nuclear weapons, after promising the Clinton administration and world community he would not and after taking our money, Bush decided to take a different approach. China had to be included, as did Japan. China because they had influence over Kim, Japan because they have influence over china (as in china does not want them to go nuclear).

North Korea Stonewalled, China was initially uncooperative but as soon as Japan, Taiwan and South Korea suggested they may go nuclear after North Korea did their tests, China was on board. the region is now involved and the mutlilateral approach is headed in a promising direction.

still much work to be done, but no room for any partisanship or blaming. N Korea can be easily isolated and this must be pursued. Especially with Iran's Ahmadinejad yet again talking up his Nuclear program and threatening Israel.

It said on the evening news, that after he appologized, he held a large rally to celebrate the success of the test. After that he probably played with his crayon book a bit, and then.....who knows?

I think "I'm sorry" means-"Leave me alone so I can make bombs" :eek:

Yeah, I bet he's crying his little heart out:rolleyes:

Yeah, I bet he's crying his little heart out:rolleyes: Come on! He is China's bitch, and China has gone public that they are thinking of giving him the flick. If he isn't crying, he is fucked. Even then..

Come on! He is China's bitch, and China has gone public that they are thinking of giving him the flick. If he isn't crying, he is fucked. Even then..

actually *I* am taking credit for this one.

the husband is in china on business. we were on the phone discussing how its china's job to deal with NK. what with NK being china's irresponsible younger brother and all. (the husband disagreed but, as always, i was right). we stopped talking when we remembered that he was on an unsecured line in a paranoid country

but

a couple of hours later, the chinese talked to kim and he sincerely regrets the whole thing.

yupyup, it was ME.

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Common Kim! Make up your gawddamn mind! :eek: