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OK....

The death penalty for attempted suicide? What the hell is up with that?

Consecutive life sentances? OK...Are they gonna track down are reincarnations?

Some one got the electric chair for trying to shock himself. I mean if that ain't the stupidest thing!

Any idiotic things you want to talk about?

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Consequintly he was sentanced to death by being crushed by a brick wall.

Hmm those punishments seem kinda stupid indeed.

......what?



Put down that crack pipe..

I have no idea what your talking about, I am assuming it is the case of state of wyoming Vs. Sir Roderick Von Fondlebottom.

Any idiotic things you want to talk about?
How about ppl who post threads about things without any links to back up what the hell they're talking about?

OK....

The death penalty for attempted suicide? What the hell is up with that?

Um, source?

Consecutive life sentances? OK...Are they gonna track down are reincarnations?

I consider this a virtue of the justice system, not a flaw. For a justice system to be fair, an offender must be capture, tried, have evidence presented against him, have his guild proven, and be sentenced, for EACH CRIME.

If a murderer kills 10 people (assuming no death penalty) then he must be punished for EACH CRIME. So if each murder has a mandatory life sentence, he must receive a sentence for each crime.

If you just go "well, we proved he murdered one person, and got life for it, so no need to finish the other 9" then those that died get no justice. He must be tried on every crime.

And if convicted, the law requires a sentence for that crime. So if you commit 10 murders, the state should charge you with each and every one of them, otherwise some victims get justice, and others do not.

And if they convict on every one, and the law requires a life sentence for murder, then he gets 10 life sentences. Justice must be done to the victims. People on death row hav been charged with crimes before. It is the fundamental principle of our justice system that victims deserve justice, and if you commit a crime, the justice system is brought to bare upon you.

I think the idea behind consecutive life sentences is so everyone they killed gets retribution (how civilised:rolleyes: )

With that said I’ve never heard of the death penalty for suicide...

Consecutive life sentances? OK...Are they gonna track down are reincarnations?


And...um...by the way? Juries convict. Judges sentence.

Ok, some sources, please? Or else this is all just spam, since we really can't talk about something when we're not sure what it is we're talking about.

I have no idea what your talking about, I am assuming it is the case of state of wyoming Vs. Sir Roderick Von Fondlebottom.

It could be McTouchestoomuch v Copafeel.

I'm not sure.

Ok, some sources, please? Or else this is all just spam, since we really can't talk about something when we're not sure what it is we're talking about.

1) you can not be given the death penalty for attempted suicide provided your action's didn't result in someone's death, in which case you're executed for the death you caused, not the attempt itself. So I call bullshit here.

2) concurrent life sentences is perfectly permissable, and not unheard of. See my earlier post as to why.

Ok, some sources, please? Or else this is all just spam, since we really can't talk about something when we're not sure what it is we're talking about.1) you can not be given the death penalty for attempted suicide provided your action's didn't result in someone's death, in which case you're executed for the death you caused, not the attempt itself. So I call bullshit here.

2) concurrent life sentences is perfectly permissable, and not unheard of. See my earlier post as to why.

Um, why did you quote me? I was asking the OP for sources to back up his claims.

Um, why did you quote me? I was asking the OP for sources to back up his claims.

just to clarify that sources aren't even needed.

Claim 1 is bullshit, it can not happen.

Claim 2 is possible, and has happened. however there's nothing wrong with it.

I don't care for sources, I can dismiss one claim out of hand, and as for the other...I see nothing wrong with it if true.

I think the idea behind consecutive life sentences is so everyone they killed gets retribution (how civilised:rolleyes: )

With that said I’ve never heard of the death penalty for suicide...

That's not the only reason behind it. In many cases a person who gets a life sentence can be paroled in 30-40 years. Texas, for instance, has no "life without parole" option (it's part of the reason behind our high death penality numbers). But if there are several consecutive sentenses, the person can never be paroled.

Yeah, I could see them imprisoning you (in a psychiatric hospital) if they thought you were suicidal, but executing you? Counterproductive and too stupid for words.

Consecutive life sentences? I'm in favor of them. If you cold-bloodedly tortured and killed five people with a hammer and a pair of pliers, why should there be even a CHANCE that you'll see daylight unfiltered by bars again?

That's not the only reason behind it. In many cases a person who gets a life sentence can be paroled in 30-40 years. Texas, for instance, has no "life without parole" option (it's part of the reason behind our high death penality numbers). But if there are several consecutive sentenses, the person can never be paroled.

what about being sentenced to life without parole?

Consecutive life sentences? I'm in favor of them. If you cold-bloodedly tortured and killed five people with a hammer and a pair of pliers, why should there be even a CHANCE that you'll see daylight unfiltered by bars again?

wouldn’t that come under being mentally insane?

what about being sentenced to life without parole?

Umm ... many states don't offer that option in their sentencing guidelines.

That's not the only reason behind it. In many cases a person who gets a life sentence can be paroled in 30-40 years. Texas, for instance, has no "life without parole" option (it's part of the reason behind our high death penality numbers). But if there are several consecutive sentenses, the person can never be paroled.

what about being sentenced to life without parole?



wouldn’t that come under being mentally insane?

You'd think so, but if that were the case, everyone would go away for insanity.

I personally think that the insanity defence is being abused. There are too many cases where the defendants brutally kill someone and then decide, since they got caught, oh I'm crazy.

People need to start taking accountability for their actions.

I'm still waiting for that source for the suicide incident. My conclusion, is also bull shit.

I think that jurys only decide if a criminal they convict is eligible for the death penalty and the judge actually gives it or not. Im pretty sure that nobody still has a working Electric chair. Its all about lethal injections and Utah firing squads now.

I personally think that the insanity defence is being abused. There are too many cases where the defendants brutally kill someone and then decide, since they got caught, oh I'm crazy.

You obviously know very little about law and the insanity defense.

I think that jurys only decide if a criminal they convict is eligible for the death penalty and the judge actually gives it or not. Im pretty sure that nobody still has a working Electric chair. Its all about lethal injections and Utah firing squads now.

That's actually...not true. In the death penalty case a jury actually decides whether to administer it or not.

I think that jurys only decide if a criminal they convict is eligible for the death penalty and the judge actually gives it or not. Im pretty sure that nobody still has a working Electric chair. Its all about lethal injections and Utah firing squads now.

Yes you are correct the jury after they find the defendant guilty they then need to find the recommendations and ultimately the judge decides.

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The first one sounds like a spanish inquisition style execution (both in the killing for a "mortal sin" and the fact that the person was apparently crushed to death, though that was usually done with stone weights, not walls.

And consecutive life sentences are important for another reason: when someone is convicted of killing nine people, and then after going over the evidence again they determine the person only killed eight, and the ninth was a copycat killer, the original killer still has eight life sentences. That way they don't have to go back and redo the whole trial in order to reapply the sentence.

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You forgot, "Mod adds to spam thread"

Yes you are correct the jury after they find the defendant guilty they then need to find the recommendations and ultimately the judge decides.

It's not that simple. It's generally believed to be unconstitutional if a judge orders someone's execution if a jury decides otherwise. A judge can decide to NOT give the death penalty to someone the jury has decided to give the death penalty, however it doesn't really work the other way around.

Rhaomi presents:

STUPID JURIES
A Play in One Act

Emo: Goodbye cruel world.

*Tosses toaster into tub*

Toaster: *ZAP*

Emo: Ouch

Police: You're under arrest!

Lawyer: My client *legalese* suicide *jargon* toaster.

Stupid Jury: No, no, you're doing it wrong! This is how you kill yourself...

Ol' Sparky: *ZAP*

Emo: *expire*

Audience: Bravissimo!

OK....

The death penalty for attempted suicide? What the hell is up with that?

Consecutive life sentances? OK...Are they gonna track down are reincarnations?

Some one got the electric chair for trying to shock himself. I mean if that ain't the stupidest thing!

Any idiotic things you want to talk about?

:headbang:
Consequintly he was sentanced to death by being crushed by a brick wall.
Um... okay. I'm gonna finish drinking my damn chunky chocolate milk now.

You forgot, "Mod adds to spam thread"

Kats involvement in this thread is rather odd.

Consecutive life sentances? OK...Are they gonna track down are reincarnations?

Consecutive Life Sentences work in this way. after so many years, for any time in jail, the person has a chance for parole. with Consecutive life sentences, that time is increased for each consecutive sentence. let's say a person is sentenced to 5 3-year consecutive jail times. and first chance for parole will be 1 year (for example) because of the 5 consecutive sentences, his first chance for parole will not be in one year, but five years. 1 year times 5 sentences.

Life Sencences do have a chance of Parole, so a 5 year consecutive life sentence will make the first parole hearing set five times later than normal.

that's why you sometimes hear sentences of 9 consecutive 99 year jail time. while it does seem stupid, it actually sets his first parole hearing a long way away.

Rhaomi presents:

STUPID JURIES
A Play in One ActEmo: Goodbye cruel world.

*Tosses toaster into tub*

Toaster: *ZAP*

Emo: Ouch

Police: You're under arrest!

Lawyer: My client *legalese* suicide *jargon* toaster.

Stupid Jury: No, no, you're doing it wrong! This is how you kill yourself...

Ol' Sparky: *ZAP*

Emo: *expire*

Audience: Bravissimo!

Nice.