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http://www.glumbert.com/media/beauty

Kind of interesting, kind of creepy, but very enlightening for what it is.

No wonder women today are so insecure about their looks, and why so many people have such a skewed perception of "beauty."

Thoughts?

Kinda prettier before the whole make up stuff thing...

Interesting indeed.

Kinda prettier before the whole make up stuff thing...

I thought so too.

It reminds me of why I'm dating a beautiful woman with a real face and a real body who doesn't need to "lie" about it. The video just puts the extent of that lie into perspective.

Kinda prettier before the whole make up stuff thing...

seconded

why does a woman need to be beautiful average is good enough and if you’re a complete bitch but beautiful its not like I will want to do anything more than sleep with you

I try really hard to point out to my girls that the pictures they see of women on magazines or the women on TV shows are so not reality, but I didn't really realize how much the difference was until I saw that pic of Jamie Lee Curtis, I remember being like "wow".

anyway, it seems that men have been taken advantage of too, my husband's latest copy of FHM magazine has a pic of Hulk Hogan's daughter and she looks very plastic and gross, but it seems to be fine with you guys.

http://hornyoyster.com/images/brooke_hogan_fhm_3.jpg

yep, plastic and gross.

... I'd hit it.

yep, plastic and gross.
Mmmm... plastic...

Mmmm... plastic...

I prefer Play-Dough myself.
Fits your shape better.

I prefer Play-Dough myself.
Fits your shape better.
Plastic's easier to clean - not to mention, Play-Dough gets all crusty after a while. Plastic lasts.

seconded

why does a woman need to be beautiful average is good enough and if you’re a complete bitch but beautiful its not like I will want to do anything more than sleep with youAs a complete bitch I never had a problem getting a guy. I insist you withdraw your statement, it 's discriminatory to bitches.:D

Play-Dough gets all crusty after a while.

You say it like its a bad thing.

I try really hard to point out to my girls that the pictures they see of women on magazines or the women on TV shows are so not reality, but I didn't really realize how much the difference was until I saw that pic of Jamie Lee Curtis, I remember being like "wow".

anyway, it seems that men have been taken advantage of too, my husband's latest copy of FHM magazine has a pic of Hulk Hogan's daughter and she looks very plastic and gross, but it seems to be fine with you guys.

http://hornyoyster.com/images/brooke_hogan_fhm_3.jpg

yep, plastic and gross.

*blinks*

O_o

o_O

O_O

Now THAT is just creepy. Look at her face for fuck's sake! It's... it's... Ugh! :eek:

doesn't dove sell beauty products too? isn't that kind of ironic?

doesn't dove sell beauty products too? isn't that kind of ironic?
Ah, but their adverts feature normal women who use excessive quantities of beauty products, rather than supermodels who use excessive quantities of beauty products.

doesn't dove sell beauty products too? isn't that kind of ironic?
I know they sell lotions and soaps, but I don't know that I've ever seen makeup. I don't think I'd call lotion or soap a beauty product... Of course, I could be wrong. I don't spend a lot of time perusing the cosmetics aisles or counters.

http://hornyoyster.com/images/brooke_hogan_fhm_3.jpg

You can tell she's his daughter. She has his flat, wide nose. As for the plastic body...ergh. I, personally, like REAL women. Nothing wrong with a few imperfections. As both my MSN oojamaflip and one Sam Keen said:

"You come to love not by finding the perfect person, but by seeing an imperfect person perfectly"

'Nuff said.

And, for the record, I am indeed male. Not all of us like plastic :D


Yes, dove do sell beauty products, but they're more focusing on the lines that people don't have to put 1-inch thick layers of wax and crap on their face to look beautiful. Stupid skewed modern-day attitudes. Back to the 1950's, I tell you! The good old days! (My nickname in some parts is 50's because of my outlook on life. They love it.)

I know they sell lotions and soaps, but I don't know that I've ever seen makeup. I don't think I'd call lotion or soap a beauty product... Of course, I could be wrong. I don't spend a lot of time perusing the cosmetics aisles or counters.

they only seem to sell soaps etc., some other products, but no real cosmetics. not as ironic as i thought.

I know they sell lotions and soaps, but I don't know that I've ever seen makeup. I don't think I'd call lotion or soap a beauty product... Of course, I could be wrong. I don't spend a lot of time perusing the cosmetics aisles or counters.

I haven't seen any, they mostly sell things that make me smell good and my skin feel pretty.

Back to the 1950's, I tell you! The good old days!
The 50s? When women considered smoking classy?

fine, not that far back. After the dog tests and the huge drop in smoking rates.

I've always liked the natural look a lot more than makeup. I find that thing very discomforting- its a little frightening even. It saddens me that women think they have to go to such lengths to prove their worth.

I've always liked the natural look a lot more than makeup. I find that thing very discomforting- its a little frightening even. It saddens me that women think they have to go to such lengths to prove their worth.

Indeed. It is a sad fact of today's society that that is the case. I for one am fully in support of the idea. Even if it is just a very clever advertising ploy (must remember that it's a company).

anyway, it seems that men have been taken advantage of too, my husband's latest copy of FHM magazine has a pic of Hulk Hogan's daughter and she looks very plastic and gross, but it seems to be fine with you guys.

*snipped image*

yep, plastic and gross.

Yeesh. I think somebody went a little crazy with the airbrush there.

Indeed. It is a sad fact of today's society that that is the case. I for one am fully in support of the idea. Even if it is just a very clever advertising ploy (must remember that it's a company).

Who would there be to blame? I remember many people blaming men, but then studies proved that women think men want them skinnier than they really do. Nature doesnt seem to be to blame either, nature would prefer fertility, and the modern image has nothing to that. Modern society seems to be a desperate danger indeed.

Screw plastic; silicon for the win.

No!!! Sulfur!

Is that why women wear make-up? I'm a girl, and I've never felt any need to wear make-up. The fact that I am not attractive is completely irrelevant and there is no reason to attempt to change it to meet someone else's standards.

Trying to look/be like someone your not is the biggest turn off of all.

Is that why women wear make-up? I'm a girl, and I've never felt any need to wear make-up. The fact that I am not attractive is completely irrelevant and there is no reason to attempt to change it to meet someone else's standards.

Are you really? Aside from the fact that this is extremely subjective, I would be genuinely surprised if that were to be the case.

Are you really? Aside from the fact that this is extremely subjective, I would be genuinely surprised if that were to be the case.

I assume that I am. No one has ever seemed to genuinely be attracted to me, and I've not been attracted to anyone, either. So I assume that I am unattractive, and I sort of want to be unattractive, so that no one will ever be attracted to me.

I assume that I am. No one has ever seemed to genuinely be attracted to me, and I've not been attracted to anyone, either. So I assume that I am unattractive, and I sort of want to be unattractive, so that no one will ever be attracted to me.

yeah, but that's not a really good way to tell, I mean there are a lot of people who are attracted to me and I am not beautiful, pretty, acceptable, whatever, physically, in fact I am pretty flawed.

People are going to like you or they aren't, there really isn't much you can control about it, if they don't find you attractive it's hardly your fault. Besides, you aren't attracted to them, and it's just because you aren't, not that they are damaged or anything. ;)

I assume that I am. No one has ever seemed to genuinely be attracted to me, and I've not been attracted to anyone, either. So I assume that I am unattractive, and I sort of want to be unattractive, so that no one will ever be attracted to me.

Now that I'm afraid I cannot relate to. I honestly can't say there is anything wrong with being attractive, seeing yourself as attractive, and being seen as attractive. What I gripe about is how much of themselves many women are willing to sacrifice to meet other people's standards. To me, dignity and a strong sense of self are infinitely more attractive then the shallow facade of vanity.

You can really see that process at work if you watch America's Next Top Model (on tonight at 8, where I am). Most of the girls aren't really all that hot when they're just bumming around like normal people. Before the photo shoots, they do them up to an incredible degree, AND they have to be really good at posing so that the light hits them just right and their faces and bodies are being shown at the perfect angle. It's crazy!

Now that I'm afraid I cannot relate to. I honestly can't say there is anything wrong with being attractive, seeing yourself as attractive, and being seen as attractive. What I gripe about is how much of themselves many women are willing to sacrifice to meet other people's standards. To me, dignity and a strong sense of self are infinitely more attractive then the shallow facade of vanity.

see I don't understand what the problem people have with me saying plainly that I am not beautiful.

I don't get it. Everyone is not a good singer, everyone is not a good football player, everyone is not beautiful.

Isn't it more important to be comfortable? to know who you are and accept it?

see I don't understand what the problem people have with me saying plainly that I am not beautiful.

I don't get it. Everyone is not a good singer, everyone is not a good football player, everyone is not beautiful.

Isn't it more important to be comfortable? to know who you are and accept it?

Well, are you or aren't you? Post a picture. ;)

Or, just ignore me. That is a better idea.

Now that I'm afraid I cannot relate to. I honestly can't say there is anything wrong with being attractive, seeing yourself as attractive, and being seen as attractive. What I gripe about is how much of themselves many women are willing to sacrifice to meet other people's standards. To me, dignity and a strong sense of self are infinitely more attractive then the shallow facade of vanity.

I agree with you on the last part. But I don't want to ever think of myself as attractive. That's too vain and shallow, and it would be kind of shallow for other people to notice me because of how I look, so I don't want them to do so. I'll admit that I'm afraid of what might happen if someone ever did feel attracted to me. That would be scary.

And make-up is uncomfortable anyway and it doesn't make any noticeable difference to me on my own face the time my mom put it on me (aside from a big orangish spot), so I still don't see why people wear it.

yeah, but that's not a really good way to tell, I mean there are a lot of people who are attracted to me and I am not beautiful, pretty, acceptable, whatever, physically, in fact I am pretty flawed.

People are going to like you or they aren't, there really isn't much you can control about it, if they don't find you attractive it's hardly your fault. Besides, you aren't attracted to them, and it's just because you aren't, not that they are damaged or anything. ;)

I know it's not, but I don't really have any other way to tell.

I know it's not my fault, and I'm not really attracted to anyone at all, anyway. It has nothing to do with the people around me; I just don't like people. But people make fun of me about it. Not to my face, but I hear people behind me and see people imitating the awkward way I walk because my backpack is too heavy (about 20 lbs.), and acting as though they like me or saying that their friend likes me, while obviously lying in an attempt to mock me.

Ugh...

See people? THIS is what I'm always going on about when I talk about women and beauty! This is why I always complain about people who "doll up" to look more attractive.

But people make fun of me about it. Not to my face, but I hear people behind me and see people imitating the awkward way I walk because my backpack is too heavy (about 20 lbs.), and acting as though they like me or saying that they're friend likes me, while obviously lying in an attempt to mock me.

Sounds like you're being bullied. How old are you? I used to be bullied like that. People called me ugly and they'd get guys in the school to come up to me and say they liked me and then laugh in my face. I thought I was the ugliest and most boring and unlikeable person in the world.

Now people can't believe that, and guys try to get with me all the time. Not because I make myself up like these insane people, but because I'm likeable and attractive and a geniune person. That will happen to you too, all that crap will be done with when you're out of school.

I wish I could go back and see myself at that age and tell myself that everything will be okay. Sometimes it feels like I'm still there, getting spit on in a hallway somewhere.

see I don't understand what the problem people have with me saying plainly that I am not beautiful.

I don't get it. Everyone is not a good singer, everyone is not a good football player, everyone is not beautiful.

Isn't it more important to be comfortable? to know who you are and accept it?

From my perspective? Absolutely. I see no reason to judge people because of the things they can't change. Your genes are your genes. You are born tabula rasa and there isn't a damn thing you can do about that. You can change your behavior, your self-image, and your character in general. Like I said, dignity and self-worth are far more important then vanity. If you can love yourself for who and what you are, then you are worthy of being loved.

Sounds like you're being bullied. How old are you? I used to be bullied like that. People called me ugly and they'd get guys in the school to come up to me and say they liked me and then laugh in my face. I thought I was the ugliest and most boring and unlikeable person in the world.

Now people can't believe that, and guys try to get with me all the time. Not because I make myself up like these insane people, but because I'm likeable and attractive and a geniune person. That will happen to you too, all that crap will be done with when you're out of school.

I wish I could go back and see myself at that age and tell myself that everything will be okay. Sometimes it feels like I'm still there, getting spit on in a hallway somewhere.

I'm 16. No one has actually called me ugly, but I can tell by the people who make fun of me, and it was much worse in middle school, when people used to pick on me for having pale skin (I live in Florida, so they apparently thought that everyone in Florida ought to have a tan). However, the occasional cruel remark or stare still hurts. But I think that I've thought of myself this way for a long time. I don't consider myself unlikeable (I have about 10 friends. That's a lot.:)), just unattractive.

Thank you. That's comforting.:)

Thank you. That's comforting.:)

<3 *hug*

<3 *hug*

Thanks.:)

I agree with you on the last part. But I don't want to ever think of myself as attractive. That's too vain and shallow, and it would be kind of shallow for other people to notice me because of how I look, so I don't want them to do so. I'll admit that I'm afraid of what might happen if someone ever did feel attracted to me. That would be scary.

And make-up is uncomfortable anyway and it doesn't make any noticeable difference to me on my own face the time my mom put it on me (aside from a big orangish spot), so I still don't see why people wear it.

Viewing yourself as attractive isn't being vain. Vanity is paying $500 for an iPod because it's an iPod, spending a small fortune on brand name clothes and cosmetics to fit the image, or spending an actual fortune and burying yourself in debt to have the brand new car and a house straight out of some home makeover TV show. Vanity is seeing yourself as inadequate and burying that feeling with endless materialism and self-righteous bullshit.

There is nothing wrong with loving yourself for who you are, because it frees you from vanity.

Meh. This is something I feel strongly about.

Sounds like you're being bullied. How old are you? I used to be bullied like that. People called me ugly and they'd get guys in the school to come up to me and say they liked me and then laugh in my face. I thought I was the ugliest and most boring and unlikeable person in the world.

Now people can't believe that, and guys try to get with me all the time. Not because I make myself up like these insane people, but because I'm likeable and attractive and a geniune person. That will happen to you too, all that crap will be done with when you're out of school.

I wish I could go back and see myself at that age and tell myself that everything will be okay. Sometimes it feels like I'm still there, getting spit on in a hallway somewhere.
Illie! you are NOT ugly, you are very cute! don't forget that.

Chandelier, you know you can be attractive because you are intelligent and caring and other stuff too. People are attracted to me because I am fun to be around. I think you should find something good about yourself and decide that that's what's attractive about you, and if someone isn't attracted to you it's because they suck ;) (ie if people don't like me I can assume they have no sense of fun LOL, yeah I am delusional, it's great)

I very rarely wear makeup and when I do it's only to hide my severe acne. :( I hate it. People tease me for it often. I've heard it so often that I've sworn to myself that the next person who makes fun of my acne will get a nice black eye so people can laugh at them. :mad: I shouldn't resort to violent measures though. I probably won't regardless. :(

I very rarely wear makeup and when I do it's only to hide my severe acne. :( I hate it. People tease me for it often. I've heard it so often that I've sworn to myself that the next person who makes fun of my acne will get a nice black eye so people can laugh at them. :mad: I shouldn't resort to violent measures though. I probably won't regardless. :(
just imagine them when they are 90, your skin will look better than theirs and you will get all the hot grandpa dates and they will be home alone and wrinkley... it might not be true, but like I said I am delusional.

Viewing yourself as attractive isn't being vain. Vanity is paying $500 for an iPod because it's an iPod, spending a small fortune on brand name clothes and cosmetics to fit the image, or spending an actual fortune and burying yourself in debt to have the brand new car and a house straight out of some home makeover TV show. Vanity is seeing yourself as inadequate and burying that feeling with endless materialism and self-righteous bullshit.

There is nothing wrong with loving yourself for who you are, because it frees you from vanity.

Meh. This is something I feel strongly about.

I agree with you! Strongly!

Illie! you are NOT ugly, you are very cute! don't forget that.

Chandelier, you know you can be attractive because you are intelligent and caring and other stuff too. People are attracted to me because I am fun to be around. I think you should find something good about yourself and decide that that's what's attractive about you, and if someone isn't attracted to you it's because they suck ;) (ie if people don't like me I can assume they have no sense of fun LOL, yeah I am delusional, it's great)

Thank you! ...and seconded on the advice to Chandelier.

i friend of mine(cant remember who cause i have so many, stick it grammar nazi's) said, "it would be very funny if in the near future, they found out that the chemicals they use for modern make-up, actually melt ones face."
that would be ironic.

I very rarely wear makeup and when I do it's only to hide my severe acne. :( I hate it. People tease me for it often. I've heard it so often that I've sworn to myself that the next person who makes fun of my acne will get a nice black eye so people can laugh at them. :mad: I shouldn't resort to violent measures though. I probably won't regardless. :(

Have you consulted a dermatologist? I think they have a pill for that.

i friend of mine(cant remember who cause i have so many, stick it grammar nazi's) said, "it would be very funny if in the near future, they found out that the chemicals they use for modern make-up, actually melt ones face."
that would be ironic.

Well, makeup DOES sometimes make you break out. But good makeup has sunblock in it, which is good for your skin in the long run.

just imagine them when they are 90, your skin will look better than theirs and you will get all the hot grandpa dates and they will be home alone and wrinkley... it might not be true, but like I said I am delusional.

:(

Today I was sitting at a table with a bunch of white (Caucasion) people. One wise guy goes "everyone at this table is white... except for you, you're red" and points to me! :mad: And my nickanme is sixt hgrade was "pimple", and a few years back I was the only 3rd grader with acne! :mad:

And that's n top of the flak I get from my family for being the only fair-skinned one... :mad:

Have you consulted a dermatologist? I think they have a pill for that.

I have creams and stuff, but I just got them 2 weeks ago. My face's cleared up some. :)

:(

Today I was sitting at a table with a bunch of white (Caucasion) people. One wise guy goes "everyone at this table is white... except for you, you're red" and points to me! :mad: And my nickanme is sixt hgrade was "pimple", and a few years back I was the only 3rd grader with acne! :mad:

And that's n top of the flak I get from my family for being the only fair-skinned one... :mad:

oh, sweetie, you gotta be quick with people like that... the response is

"everyone at this table is an asshole...except for me, I rock!"

and then watch his world crash down around him.


edit: just in case he doesn't pull that again, you say "it's really sad that you are so insecure that you have to pick on someone, the good thing for me is though the only thing you can find wrong with me is as insignificant as a few clogged pores"

or, you know ignore him. either way.

:(

Today I was sitting at a table with a bunch of white (Caucasion) people. One wise guy goes "everyone at this table is white... except for you, you're red" and points to me! :mad: And my nickanme is sixt hgrade was "pimple", and a few years back I was the only 3rd grader with acne! :mad:

And that's n top of the flak I get from my family for being the only fair-skinned one... :mad:

I've always looked on the bullying I had as a good thing in the long run. It made me a hell of a lot better than I would have been had things been different. I know it doesnt really help lessen the hurt from insults but when the acne clears up you'll be a better person for the hardship you've had

I've always looked on the bullying I had as a good thing in the long run. It made me a hell of a lot better than I would have been had things been different. I know it doesnt really help lessen the hurt from insults but when the acne clears up you'll be a better person for the hardship you've had

true, and just think about it Darknovae if he is picking on you he is giving someone else a rest, and you are stronger possibly than they are, it's like you are a good person for it.

:(

Today I was sitting at a table with a bunch of white (Caucasion) people. One wise guy goes "everyone at this table is white... except for you, you're red" and points to me! :mad: And my nickanme is sixt hgrade was "pimple", and a few years back I was the only 3rd grader with acne! :mad:

And that's n top of the flak I get from my family for being the only fair-skinned one... :mad:

Eh, then your problem is not with your appearance, but with your lack of razor sharp comebacks. If you're in a situation like that and you can't think of something caustic to retaliate with then all you have to do is fall back on the single most widely recognized expressions of contempt.

:upyours:

Viewing yourself as attractive isn't being vain. Vanity is paying $500 for an iPod because it's an iPod, spending a small fortune on brand name clothes and cosmetics to fit the image, or spending an actual fortune and burying yourself in debt to have the brand new car and a house straight out of some home makeover TV show. Vanity is seeing yourself as inadequate and burying that feeling with endless materialism and self-righteous bullshit.

There is nothing wrong with loving yourself for who you are, because it frees you from vanity.

Meh. This is something I feel strongly about.

You're right. That is vain. I just can't see myself as attractive.

Illie! you are NOT ugly, you are very cute! don't forget that.

Chandelier, you know you can be attractive because you are intelligent and caring and other stuff too. People are attracted to me because I am fun to be around. I think you should find something good about yourself and decide that that's what's attractive about you, and if someone isn't attracted to you it's because they suck ;) (ie if people don't like me I can assume they have no sense of fun LOL, yeah I am delusional, it's great)

I know that I'm intelligent. That's my greatest strength. I'm confident in myself in that regard. I accept that I'm not physically attractive. Maybe I am attractive to some people because of my intelligence, but it doesn't seem like it at all, and I don't want anyone to think of me as attractive. That would scare me, and I might unintentionally hurt them because I would assume that they were just making fun of me as other people have in the past.

I know that I'm intelligent. That's my greatest strength. I'm confident in myself in that regard. I accept that I'm not physically attractive. Maybe I am attractive to some people because of my intelligence, but it doesn't seem like it at all, and I don't want anyone to think of me as attractive. That would scare me, and I might unintentionally hurt them because I would assume that they were just making fun of me as other people have in the past.
you are intelligent enough to weed out the kind that would be stupid enough to try to hurt you. ;)

just be yourself, and don't worry about it, one day when you are ready this awesome person will come up and it will just be fun.

you are intelligent enough to weed out the kind that would be stupid enough to try to hurt you. ;)

just be yourself, and don't worry about it, one day when you are ready this awesome person will come up and it will just be fun.

I like that :)

you are intelligent enough to weed out the kind that would be stupid enough to try to hurt you. ;)

just be yourself, and don't worry about it, one day when you are ready this awesome person will come up and it will just be fun.

I don't think I'll ever be ready...but thanks.:)

Eh, then your problem is not with your appearance, but with your lack of razor sharp comebacks. If you're in a situation like that and you can't think of something caustic to retaliate with then all you have to do is fall back on the single most widely recognized expressions of contempt. I have razor sharp comebacks. Everyone else just had very very thick/tough skin. :(

:upyours: That's what I did in retaliation. It didn't work. :(

I don't think I'll ever be ready...but thanks.:)

hey, if you never get ready that's okay too, at least in the meantime of figureing that out you won't have wasted any time being anything but you. :p

hey, if you never get ready that's okay too, at least in the meantime of figureing that out you won't have wasted any time being anything but you. :p

That's true.:)

I like that :)

So do I! :D

Oh... the evils of Photoshop. And as a graphic designer its my most favourite image software. :p

Have you consulted a dermatologist? I think they have a pill for that.

Is it just me, or does this statement seem ironic to be made in this context?


"everyone at this table is an asshole...except for me, I rock!"

edit: just in case he doesn't pull that again, you say "it's really sad that you are so insecure that you have to pick on someone, the good thing for me is though the only thing you can find wrong with me is as insignificant as a few clogged pores"

The first one seems to be ok, but the second won't really work... Your average teenaged idiot (and that's who we speak about) will respond to this with something like "Whatever. You're still ugly". Chances are he doesn't even understand such a long sentence...

For the acne thing, yep, having acne doesn't really help in school, although bullies will always find something to tease others about in order for them to feel better about themselves. However, you'll notice the more mature guys to be able to "see through them" (it's just a temporary feature, after all, just like a black eye). For instance, I remember one friend of mine who had some skin problems (not acne though): I always thought she was really beautiful...

Oops, did I just imply to be of superior maturity? ...whatever, I was probably right :D

Is it just me, or does this statement seem ironic to be made in this context?



The first one seems to be ok, but the second won't really work... Your average teenaged idiot (and that's who we speak about) will respond to this with something like "Whatever. You're still ugly". Chances are he doesn't even understand such a long sentence...

For the acne thing, yep, having acne doesn't really help in school, although bullies will always find something to tease others about in order for them to feel better about themselves. However, you'll notice the more mature guys to be able to "see through them" (it's just a temporary feature, after all, just like a black eye). For instance, I remember one friend of mine who had some skin problems (not acne though): I always thought she was really beautiful...

Oops, did I just imply to be of superior maturity? ...whatever, I was probably right :D

Everyone's resilient here. :( They only way to totally pwn them is to steal their boyfriends. :( And my acne isn't quite temporary, I've been dealing with it for the last 6 years...... :(

I have razor sharp comebacks. Everyone else just had very very thick/tough skin. :(

That's what I did in retaliation. It didn't work. :(

I went through the whole acne thing during high-school. It was horrible and, ou're right, the combacks don't always work. Sometimes they do, though, and wow that feels good! One of my best friends had really bad acne, she's in her late 20's now and is one of the most beautiful people I know - she is pretty but mostly she is a strong, confident person who is comfortable with herself.

Success is;) the best revenge. You sound like a smart, articulate person. Use your intelligence and ability to carve out a good life for yourself. Write a best-seller, create a comic book, film a movie, climb a mountain, I don't know what you're into but there's got to be something you're passionate about - seriously, while these idiots are wasting their time trying to put you down, get busy having a life that leaves them in the dust! You're worth it.

http://www.glumbert.com/media/beauty

Kind of interesting, kind of creepy, but very enlightening for what it is.

No wonder women today are so insecure about their looks, and why so many people have such a skewed perception of "beauty."

Thoughts?
Meh. In my opinion, at no point during that whole spiel was that women attractive, but she was certainly less hard to look at after it was done.

This is something I'm not a huge fan of.

See, my sister was (and still is, really) good-looking enough to never need makeup. She never wore any, but my dad always got onto her for not "making herself presentable". Always. And now, she wears makeup, mostly because it's a habit... Dear old pops forced her to put it on in the morning before she was off to school.

I, for one, think that people look better without artificially enhancing their appearance. If people didn't give a damn about makeup and eyeliner, maybe more people would take better care of their skin, and not become old bags when they turn 40.

I went through the whole acne thing during high-school. It was horrible and, ou're right, the combacks don't always work. Sometimes they do, though, and wow that feels good! One of my best friends had really bad acne, she's in her late 20's now and is one of the most beautiful people I know - she is pretty but mostly she is a strong, confident person who is comfortable with herself.

Success is;) the best revenge. You sound like a smart, articulate person. Use your intelligence and ability to carve out a good life for yourself. Write a best-seller, create a comic book, film a movie, climb a mountain, I don't know what you're into but there's got to be something you're passionate about - seriously, while these idiots are wasting their time trying to put you down, get busy having a life that leaves them in the dust! You're worth it.

:)

Writing a bestseller, creating a comic book, filming a movie- all things I plan to do anyways. :) I've already hiked up mountains.

I still hate people nitpicking about my acne. I inherited all my dad's skin problems, and my mom keeps saying "is your face clearing up? It's not clearing up fast enough. We need new acne stuff" :mad:

See, my sister was (and still is, really) good-looking enough to never need makeup. She never wore any, but my dad always got onto her for not "making herself presentable". Always. And now, she wears makeup, mostly because it's a habit... Dear old pops forced her to put it on in the morning before she was off to school.

Why would any father want their daughter to ware make-up? Seems like he'd want the oposite.

Why would any father want their daughter to ware make-up? Seems like he'd want the oposite.

It's called being a control freak.

http://www.glumbert.com/media/beauty

Kind of interesting, kind of creepy, but very enlightening for what it is.

No wonder women today are so insecure about their looks, and why so many people have such a skewed perception of "beauty."

Thoughts?

So then why is it so f*&^ing hard to be a model? I pass 20 women on the street better looking than that every time I leave the house.

I have creams and stuff, but I just got them 2 weeks ago. My face's cleared up some. :)

I used to have huge acne problems, and then I accidentally discovered a great treatment, so long as it's acne from oily skin.

There's an herb called Anise. It's big in Spanish cooking.

If you get the good quality stuff, from an herb shop, not the gourmet section of the supermarket, then take a spoon of it and boil it in a cup and a half of water for 10 minutes it makes a tasty tea (add a spoonful of honey) that, if you drink it, helps metabolize oils in your body so they don't end up oozing out of your skin.

A week after I started drinking it, people commented on how much better my skin looked.

In high school I was very shy and self conscious. In my twenties I gained confidence and could have my pick of guys. Same me, just different attitude. If you pretend to know what you're doing, chances are people will believe you.

http://www.glumbert.com/media/beauty

Kind of interesting, kind of creepy, but very enlightening for what it is.

No wonder women today are so insecure about their looks, and why so many people have such a skewed perception of "beauty."

Thoughts?

As a man, I am distressed by the current concept of "beauty." I see most models as skinny to the point of anorexia.

In high school I was very shy and self conscious. In my twenties I gained confidence and could have my pick of guys. Same me, just different attitude. If you pretend to know what you're doing, chances are people will believe you.

Ah! But the big difference is that you really do know what you're doing. [ grin ]

Ah! But the big difference is that you really do know what you're doing. [ grin ]
Nice to know I fooled even you.:D

As a man, I am distressed by the current concept of "beauty." I see most models as skinny to the point of anorexia.

And as someone on the other end of the the NS age spectrum, I'd like to voice my complete agrement. (Wow, I agreed with Eut. Nice guy and all, but that never really happened often. THE WORLD IS ENDING)

On another note, nice to see you're still around.:fluffle:

I don't think I'll ever be ready...but thanks.:)

You're 16 yes?

You have a hell of a lot of life ahead of you to get ready. I was about the same at your age - you'll probably grow out of it.

I don't know if you actually are physically unattractive, or wether you just think you are. I know a few women who are amazingly beautiful - you just look at them and think "WOW!" but honestly believe themselves to be so ugly that nobody could ever find them attractive.

And as someone on the other end of the the NS age spectrum, I'd like to voice my complete agrement. (Wow, I agreed with Eut. Nice guy and all, but that never really happened often. THE WORLD IS ENDING)

On another note, nice to see you're still around.:fluffle:
Agreed again. Women for some bizarre reason are going to all this effort to look so thin they are unattractive.

You're 16 yes?

You have a hell of a lot of life ahead of you to get ready. I was about the same at your age - you'll probably grow out of it.

I don't know if you actually are physically unattractive, or wether you just think you are. I know a few women who are amazingly beautiful - you just look at them and think "WOW!" but honestly believe themselves to be so ugly that nobody could ever find them attractive.

I'm not sure of that myself.

Agreed again. Women for some bizarre reason are going to all this effort to look so thin they are unattractive.

See, that's part of my problem. Although I put no effort into looking thin, I'm too skinny. I can't seem to gain any weight, and sometimes I even seem to be losing weight. I don't even weigh enough to give blood. I like being skinny, but I'd like to be healthy-thin rather than too thin.

See, that's part of my problem. Although I put no effort into looking thin, I'm too skinny. I can't seem to gain any weight, and sometimes I even seem to be losing weight. I don't even weigh enough to give blood. I like being skinny, but I'd like to be healthy-thin rather than too thin.
How tall are you?

In addition to my comment - women who are naturally thin look ok, it's when you get women who are not naturally lightly built starving themselves that things go bad.

How tall are you?

In addition to my comment - women who are naturally thin look ok, it's when you get women who are not naturally lightly built starving themselves that things go bad.

I'm 5'6''.

I'm 5'6''.

Wow. You must be really thin if you are too light to give blood at 5'6".

Prolly fill out a little over the next couple of years.

Heh hah yeah very good. Just goes to show huh!

See, that's part of my problem. Although I put no effort into looking thin, I'm too skinny. I can't seem to gain any weight, and sometimes I even seem to be losing weight. I don't even weigh enough to give blood. I like being skinny, but I'd like to be healthy-thin rather than too thin.

Everyone has a static metabolic order and it is largely genetically pre-determined. If that is how your body works, then that is how it works. As I said before, you cannot change the things you are born with and you shouldn't worry about those things. Granted, it's very easy to be insecure about something you have no control over, that's pretty natural... Just look at guys and their *ahem* size. Even so, it's a dead-end to focus on the things you can't do a damn thing about instead of the things you can.

"Too skinny," "too fat," "too short," "too pale," et al are not something you should concern yourself with until it becomes a serious health problem. If you are anorexic to the point of it being a mortal concern then you are "too skinny." If you're an albino living in Arizona, then you may have a problem with being "too pale."

You see, the problem with your way of thinking is that even if you put on a little weight you still wouldn't feel any better about yourself. It would just be another angle for self-criticism. Constantly degrading your self-image over minute details and things you can't change is no way to go through adolescence. What the hell is the point of being yourself, if you can't be comfortable with yourself? :confused:

To hell with everyone else! You don't need them. You don't truly need their attention or judgment for better or for worse. You DO need to work yourself out first. This sort of thing is not something you want to linger later in life.

You're 16 years old (I'm not going to say only 16 because I'm the exact same age) and you have an extremely interesting life ahead of you. A lot can change and believe me, life can change a helluva lot in a very short time. My perspective on life changes on a monthly basis for Christ's sake? A year ago my life was a microcosm consisting purely of a hellish family life. I'm talking bona fide psychological and physical abuse here and you know what? It was the best thing that ever happened to me! I learned more about my life from a childhood of hopelessness, depression, suppressed emotion, and resentment then I ever could from a life of peace, comfort and complacency.

I realized that I had a choice to make, so I made it. I realized that I could very well be scarred by everything I've been through. I could have dwelled on the agony, the hatred, and the resentment that I had built up... Or, I could let it go. I chose not to be scarred, and I chose to liberate myself from the things that haunted me and to learn from them. If you allow someone's actions or remarks to hurt you, then you give that person the power to hurt you! Why would anyone wish to give someone who's intention it is to hurt you, the power to do so? Think about it. If someone mocks you, they won't feel bad about it, they won't suffer for it, so why should you? If someone hates you, why should you hate yourself?

Meh... I'm rambling now, and for that I apologize. Like I said, this is something I feel strongly about.

So then why is it so f*&^ing hard to be a model? I pass 20 women on the street better looking than that every time I leave the house.
The ideal model isnt neccesarily good-looking, but a perfect canvas for make-up artists, hair stylists and fashion designers to work on.

http://www.glumbert.com/media/beauty

Kind of interesting, kind of creepy, but very enlightening for what it is.

No wonder women today are so insecure about their looks, and why so many people have such a skewed perception of "beauty."

Thoughts?

that's bloody impressive that. yes, kinda creepy, but being a graphic designer by trade i'm impressed with the extent of the transformation :p

she did look a bit "barbie" at the end. she was pretty at the beginning :)
(though my gf is prettier :-) )

Wow. You must be really thin if you are too light to give blood at 5'6".

Prolly fill out a little over the next couple of years.

Yeah. About 105-106 lbs.

Everyone has a static metabolic order and it is largely genetically pre-determined. If that is how your body works, then that is how it works. As I said before, you cannot change the things you are born with and you shouldn't worry about those things. Granted, it's very easy to be insecure about something you have no control over, that's pretty natural... Just look at guys and their *ahem* size. Even so, it's a dead-end to focus on the things you can't do a damn thing about instead of the things you can.

"Too skinny," "too fat," "too short," "too pale," et al are not something you should concern yourself with until it becomes a serious health problem. If you are anorexic to the point of it being a mortal concern then you are "too skinny." If you're an albino living in Arizona, then you may have a problem with being "too pale."

You see, the problem with your way of thinking is that even if you put on a little weight you still wouldn't feel any better about yourself. It would just be another angle for self-criticism. Constantly degrading your self-image over minute details and things you can't change is no way to go through adolescence. What the hell is the point of being yourself, if you can't be comfortable with yourself? :confused:

To hell with everyone else! You don't need them. You don't truly need their attention or judgment for better or for worse. You DO need to work yourself out first. This sort of thing is not something you want to linger later in life.

You're 16 years old (I'm not going to say only 16 because I'm the exact same age) and you have an extremely interesting life ahead of you. A lot can change and believe me, life can change a helluva lot in a very short time. My perspective on life changes on a monthly basis for Christ's sake? A year ago my life was a microcosm consisting purely of a hellish family life. I'm talking bona fide psychological and physical abuse here and you know what? It was the best thing that ever happened to me! I learned more about my life from a childhood of hopelessness, depression, suppressed emotion, and resentment then I ever could from a life of peace, comfort and complacency.

I realized that I had a choice to make, so I made it. I realized that I could very well be scarred by everything I've been through. I could have dwelled on the agony, the hatred, and the resentment that I had built up... Or, I could let it go. I chose not to be scarred, and I chose to liberate myself from the things that haunted me and to learn from them. If you allow someone's actions or remarks to hurt you, then you give that person the power to hurt you! Why would anyone wish to give someone who's intention it is to hurt you, the power to do so? Think about it. If someone mocks you, they won't feel bad about it, they won't suffer for it, so why should you? If someone hates you, why should you hate yourself?

Meh... I'm rambling now, and for that I apologize. Like I said, this is something I feel strongly about.

That makes sense. It's hard not to worry about it.

she was pretty at the beginning :)

I wouldn't say that, nor would I say that she was pretty at the end.

yeah, but that's not a really good way to tell, I mean there are a lot of people who are attracted to me and I am not beautiful, pretty, acceptable, whatever, physically, in fact I am pretty flawed.

People are going to like you or they aren't, there really isn't much you can control about it, if they don't find you attractive it's hardly your fault. Besides, you aren't attracted to them, and it's just because you aren't, not that they are damaged or anything. ;):fluffle:

Well, are you or aren't you? Post a picture. ;)

Or, just ignore me. That is a better idea.*looks at Smunkee's pic again... * :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:


I never really cared for makeup. sure it's fine once in a while and in quantities that does not require a spackle blade to apply and a jackhammer to remove.

but the natural, without makeup look is what I like. Flaws? what is that. it's all part of the person and thus never a flaw.

same with Perfume. I had some classmates and teachers who seemed like they bathe in the stuff... others you can track them like a bloodhound for their scent lingers forever...

for me, some women... (ok, I haven't found one yet that is the execption, but there must be one.) have a pleasent, natural smell that I find... well... I like. Even after a hard days work/excercise/activity out in the hot sun.

as for the vid? I like the first shot of her... before they started applying all that makeup.

Is it just me, or does this statement seem ironic to be made in this context?


Thank you for recognizing that. I was beginning to think people were going to take me seriously.