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North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

So, you're essentially saying that to stop nuclear proliferation, we should use, er, nuclear weapons?

Amen :D

Nuke? What's wrong with a good old invasion?

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

Nukes are virtually obsolete with the new Copper Rain bombs and teh MOABs of Doom and whatnot... no need to n00k NK. We can just plow right through them with our Metal Storm guns and NLOS artillery.

Whether we should is a different story.

Here we go...

Agreed, as long as the nukes are filled with adorable puppies instead of plutonium.

Cobalt Bombs Ftw!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed, as long as the nukes are filled with adorable puppies instead of plutonium.

You heartless person! Kill all those puppies?

Agreed, as long as the nukes are filled with adorable puppies instead of plutonium.

:eek: Poor puppies!

:rolleyes:

So you've covered what Foley, a rags to riches thread, and now your at nuking NK. What's next why we should assasinate Hilary Clinton so she can't run for President?

S/North Korea/the USA

Hey, it still makes just as much sense...

Nuking North Korea is redundant. They are popping nuclear weapons in North Korea already.

Nuke? What's wrong with a good old invasion?

Unfortunately, all our conventional occupation resources are currently engaged in a struggle to bring peace, freedom, and stability to Iraq. We cannot allocate any to a hypothetical invasion of North Korea without enlisting the help of other countries, but that would most likely prove difficult if not insurmountable. The simplest way is usually best, though.

:eek: Poor puppies!


Agreed. Of course it could be construed as humanitarian food drops.

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You know, you're actually quite good at this. But still a troll.

Unfortunately, all our conventional occupation resources are currently engaged in a struggle to bring peace, freedom, and stability to Iraq. We cannot allocate any to a hypothetical invasion of North Korea without enlisting the help of other countries, but that would most likely prove difficult if not insurmountable. The simplest way is usually best, though.

It doesn't have to be the USA, you know? There are countries in the surroundings capable enough of invading it. If the USA gives a little hand it would be nice, though.

So you're saying we should punish the policies of the North Korean government by incinerating millions of innocents?

You really should have waited a day or so after your triumph de luxe in "Rosa Parks' Legacy." Oh, and by the way, the Third Reich declared war on us after Pearl Harbor, not the other way around, and the Japanese, well ...

I do like the bit about ensuring our prosperity and the success of the free world, though. Except, of course, for the radioactive clouds wafting across the Pacific. But hey, they'll just take care of the Left Coast, so we get two birds with one stone.

Okay, enough troll feeding.

Retarded. Let's fire nuclear missiles at North Korea. It's proximity to China and Russia should ensure that there's no way they mistake the incoming missile as aimed at them, and no way that it would instigate nuclear armageddon. Brilliant. All to show an abused little nation what's for. Didn't your parents ever warn you not to stick the Q-tip so far in your ear?

Agreed, as long as the nukes are filled with adorable puppies instead of plutonium.

So its sending food aid :p

On that note oh yeah not the nasty North Korea with its non-existent nukes and piss poor army oh how silly we’ve been simply put we should never challenge our American overlords after all there the ones who will bomb the shit out of us especially if we’ve never attacked anyone in about 50 years

With that said North Korea could easily just use its artillery to do far more damage than any nuke will yet they haven’t ! do you seriously think that if America nukes North Korea there wont be repercussions?

We should just embargo their food and oil, and slowly starve/freeze them to death. That's the compassionate option.

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.


I hate to say it, but if you replace "north korea" with "America" or "The united kingdom" (from which i come, i add) or any other number of nations that possess nuclear weapons, very little changes in terms of circumstances of situations.

Yes nukes are bad (mm'kay) and yes it breaches the proliferation stances that are set, however this system has been biased right from the start.

I mean, the whole concept of Israel having nukes is alot more worrying if you ask me, they have alot more motivation to use them, and this again could trigger retalitory nukes from other states, and who knows would get involved, especially is other nations polarized into oppositions and the scale got alot larger.

Then there's the fact that countries already posessing nukes are meant to be disposing of them...this just ISN'T happening and its no secret, in fact, I hear america is updating their arsenal slightly, at least accoridng to new scientist, among other sources...

Then there goes without saying the whole India and Pakistan situation...lots of nukes there too, they nuke each other's testing grounds for crying out loud, but hey, a one kilotonne explosion form north korea, which hasnt been the most secretive of nations in their nuclear weapons development programme *cough, dam explosion about a year ago* is suddenly a huge problem? Are we forgetting that there's probaly insufficient technology to mobilise these weapons yet? at least in this state. Not to mention the whole traffic restrictions in place at the moemnt just to ensure that N. korea dont hav any nasty mainland surpsies.

Trust me, we're in less peril form Korea than you'd think, at least at this stage.

A little fuel for the fire though:

The nuke explosion reported, according to seismometers was only around the strenght of a kilotonne...thought this is little, I might add that It takes alot more technology to produce a small nuke than a large one, since many more precise processes need to be carried out (deflector technologies etc) however, it may just have been that the device was so inefficient, like the one dropped on hiroshima, which was only about 1% effective compared to the theoretical potential should it have worked at full power (yes this is impossible becuase of several factors but hey) So which is it? High tech device or primitive radioactive boom-box?

Drop bombs filled with locusts and frogs.

That'll learn em.

You really should have waited a day or so

While we wait, North Korea will continue its development of nuclear weapons. This issue needs to be dealt with immediately -- there is no room for procrastination or dilatory behavior. For every day that we wait, the strength of North Korea will grow. There is a time for reflection and analysis, but this is not it. Sure, we could spend years and years thinking about how to execute an invasion and a bombardment in the most effective and facile manner. But by then, North Korea might be ready to deploy a nuke and obliterate Los Angeles. I am not willing to take that risk, and I hope that Bush isn't either. We didn't take that risk in Iraq, and most rational people will agree that the situation has turned out quite well and will keep getting better, despite the moderate level of violence in the country. The same is true of North Korea.

Except, of course, for the radioactive clouds wafting across the Pacific.

Let's install giant fans to blow them the other way! Seriously, it's not going to be that much of a problem -- if worst comes to worst, we'll just use nukes sparingly and resort to more conventional methods of bombardment. The North Korean egg should prove quite easy to crack, nukes or not.

Drop bombs filled with locusts and frogs.

That'll learn em.

Or pamphlet shells containing messages of "£>please dont nuke us<3"

Oh yeah, I forgot to add, if korea's growing NOW then why didnt they muster BEOFRE the demonstartion? it would have been much easier for them to have operated BEFORE flexing their nuke muscles....they're either ready now, or they...*gasp* arnet going to do anything other than stir up an already stagnant proliferation agreement.

You disgust me, MTAE.

:rolleyes:

So you've covered what Foley, a rags to riches thread, and now your at nuking NK. What's next why we should assasinate Hilary Clinton so she can't run for President?

hell yeah

With comments like that, this bloke is either taking the piss or is an obvious retard.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

So you've covered what Foley, a rags to riches thread, and now your at nuking NK. What's next why we should assasinate Hilary Clinton so she can't run for President?

Shhh! Don't give him ideas! :p

While we wait, North Korea will continue its development of nuclear weapons.

and?

This issue needs to be dealt with immediately -- there is no room for procrastination or dilatory behavior. For every day that we wait, the strength of North Korea will grow.

as the population starves to death and the economy crumbles even more?

most rational people will agree that the situation has turned out quite well and will keep getting better, despite the moderate level of violence in the country.

oh dear lord...

Let's install giant fans to blow them the other way!

to China or Russia?

Seriously, it's not going to be that much of a problem -- if worst comes to worst, we'll just use nukes sparingly and resort to more conventional methods of bombardment. The North Korean egg should prove quite easy to crack, nukes or not.

with 50 years planning and a population who will die for the dear leader? Remember how nuking Japan could be justified buy the fact that it saved lives by not having us fighting every single Japanese with a stick hell the only way we could get enough bullets is if they where actually made in China!

You disgust me, MTAE.

me2 you're high in the disgust-o-meter (tm)

But by then, North Korea might be ready to deploy a nuke and obliterate Los Angeles.
You're funny.
We didn't take that risk in Iraq, and most rational people will agree that the situation has turned out quite well and will keep getting better, despite the moderate level of violence in the country.
I wish I were as funny as you.

Actually, I am willing to risk los angeles.

Hmm. Tell y'what, MTAE. I'll strap a 3 MT device to your back. You can find your own way through the DMZ & then exploderate at your heart's content.

The whole "anti-nuclear proliferation" thing reminds me of a country club from 1952 with a big sign that says "NO NEGROES OR JEWS".

MtAE and DK for win!

Trust me, we're in less peril form Korea than you'd think, at least at this stage.

You hit the nail right on the head with that comment. You said that North Korea is not a threat "at least at this stage." That is the crucial point which needs to be reflected upon. The fact that North Korea will progress with its nuclear programme, given sufficient time, is ineluctable. The reason why we cannot bomb Pakistan or India is because they have too many nukes -- they could employ them in such a method as would result in a completely unstable global situation. Hell, they might even deliver a nuke to New York or Boston. It's too late to attack them now because they have acquired sufficient nuclear weapons as to assure an adequate MAD protective shield. To compound the problem, North Korea is a totalitarian communist state which grants its citizens little to no freedoms -- the same is not applicable to other nuclear countries, at least to that extent (Russia and China are close, as is Pakistan; Israel, of course, is not, and neither are Britain and France). Who knows what they are capable of? Haven't we learned that we shouldn't trust states such as these with nuclear weapons after Khan's dealings were brought to light? We should not risk our way of life on the hunch that North Korea is peaceful.

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long.

You mean "defied" the will. "Flaunted the will" actually means that North Korea has the backing of the will of the international community, i.e. "flaunted" it.

It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it.

You want to bomb 27 million people for their dictator scoffing at stuff?

But as for the nuclear weapons program, I agree that they've defied international sentiments. No one, not even China, wants a nuclear Korea.

It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

I think North Korea should be liberated. 24% of the population is stunted from malnutrition, the best farmland is being used to grow opium, not food, and the leadership tortures and executes dissidents. Add personality cult to the list and you have justification for liberation.

However, nuking North Korea? China won't go along with that. Any action against North Korea needs Chinese approval or else the Chinese can simply walk in and fight us like they did in the last Korean War. China doesn't want a pro-American government on their doorstep in Korea.

Invading North Korea would be a problem. North Korea spends most of its budgetary percentage on their million-man army. And we (Americans) are facing manpower shortages. Where is this invasion force going to come from? We're stretched thin with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. We don't have enough for a liberation unless we leave Iraq.

So you're saying we should punish the policies of the North Korean government by incinerating millions of innocents?

They're not innocents. Those bastards chose to be born in North Korea, so we got to kill them all. Because they're evil and stuff.

How about this: We cut aid to North Korea, and watch Kim Jong-Il's government fall apart?

Why waste nuclear weapons?

You mean "defied" the will. "Flaunted the will" actually means that North Korea has the backing of the will of the international community, i.e. "flaunted" it.

Before posting such inane comments, I suggest you at least look up the word in the dictionary. One of the definitions of the word is: "to ignore or treat with disdain." This is the definition to which I was referring, although "flaunt" is somewhat more commonly used as a synonym for "brag."

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.
So much for diplomacy and not stooping to their level. :rolleyes:

How about this: We cut aid to North Korea, and watch Kim Jong-Il's government fall apart?

Why waste nuclear weapons?

Because the government rules with an iron fist and subjects the populace to fear or irrational entities for the sole purpose of perpetuating its legacy of power. People are trained to be scared of imagined external foes to the point that they will blindly support the government even when it is idiotic to do so. The army also displays unquestioning faith to the government and is instrumental in providing power to the government and stopping it from fracturing. It would be naive to assume that the government will magically collapse, especially after sanctions have proven futile.

Before posting such inane comments, I suggest you at least look up the word in the dictionary. One of the definitions of the word is: "to ignore or treat with disdain." This is the definition to which I was referring, although "flaunt" is somewhat more commonly used as a synonym for "brag."

No, that's "flout". Looks like you need a dictionary.

With comments like that, this bloke is either taking the piss or is an obvious retard.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!

that comment to me?

Hmm. Tell y'what, MTAE. I'll strap a 3 MT device to your back. You can find your own way through the DMZ & then exploderate at your heart's content.

The whole "anti-nuclear proliferation" thing reminds me of a country club from 1952 with a big sign that says "NO NEGROES OR JEWS".

Well, obviously, the last thing the UN wants is for country clubs to fall into the wrong hands.

I think a good way to stop NK is good ol' MAD- Mutually Assured Destruction. "If any other rouge nation nukes us, we will nuke them AND YOU!" It'll rather discourage Kim from selling nukes to Iran and such. We could also be applied to terrorist sponsors; they might not want to risk themselves for a bunch of fanatics. Also, I think youre underestimating NK, at least at the moment.

Our current strength (figuratively):

:mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5:

Kim's current strength:
:gundge: :sniper: :mp5:

still, he is gonna keep building up, so we should make stricter and stricter sanctions on NK. Declaring war and nuking them, especially with china nearby, is just stupid.

No, that's "flout". Looks like you need a dictionary.

Seriously, are you so imbecilic? I already warned one person to look in the dictionary prior to posting such idiotic comments. Perhaps you may benefit from the same advice. I'll even post the link for you so as to facilitate your search. Please do not appear so ignorant in the future; it is not becoming of you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flaunt

You said that North Korea is not a threat "at least at this stage." That is the crucial point which needs to be reflected upon. The fact that North Korea will progress with its nuclear programme, given sufficient time, is ineluctable.

yeah and maybe if we give them a century they might have there first satellite!

The reason why we cannot bomb Pakistan or India is because they have too many nukes

America helped India with its nukes didn’t it? and what makes you think we would bomb them in the past?

Hell, they might even deliver a nuke to New York or Boston.

yeah nuking a nations capital tends to do that with that said there far more likely to use there nukes to stop a U.S invasion than strike back

It's too late to attack them now because they have acquired sufficient nuclear weapons as to assure an adequate MAD protective shield.

which means that North Korea would also understand this...

To compound the problem, North Korea is a totalitarian communist state which grants its citizens little to no freedoms

since when did the world start caring about freedom :confused:

We should not risk our way of life on the hunch that North Korea is peaceful.

North Korea is not planning to destroy your way of life any proof that it is? Or do you live in South Korea?

Four pages, folks. See you next time.

Because the government rules with an iron fist and subjects the populace to fear or irrational entities for the sole purpose of perpetuating its legacy of power. People are trained to be scared of imagined external foes to the point that they will blindly support the government even when it is idiotic to do so. The army also displays unquestioning faith to the government and is instrumental in providing power to the government and stopping it from fracturing. It would be naive to assume that the government will magically collapse, especially after sanctions have proven futile.

Kim Jong Il depends on the loyalty of his army to keep control of North Korea. If he runs out of the food needed to feed them and their families, his government collapses.

I'm not saying "sanctions". I'm saying no aid, no trade, and nothing entering or leaving their borders. Esssentially, blockade them.

Besides which, Nukes are shitty. They kill innocent civilians, not military targets.

Seriously, are you so imbecilic? I already warned one person to look in the dictionary prior to posting such idiotic comments. Perhaps you may benefit from the same advice. I'll even post the link for you so as to facilitate your search. Please do not appear so ignorant in the future; it is not becoming of you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flaunt

Usage note 4. The use of flaunt to mean “to ignore or treat with disdain” (He flaunts community standards with his behavior) is strongly objected to by many usage guides, which insist that only flout can properly express this meaning. From its earliest appearance in English in the 16th century, flaunt has had the meanings “to display oneself conspicuously, defiantly, or boldly” in public and “to parade or display ostentatiously.” These senses approach those of flout, which dates from about the same period: “to treat with disdain, scorn, or contempt; scoff at; mock.” A sentence like Once secure in his new social position, he was able to flaunt his lower-class origins can thus be ambiguous in current English. Considering the similarity in pronunciation of the two words, it is not surprising that flaunt has assumed the meanings of flout and that this use has appeared in the speech and edited writing of even well-educated, literate persons. Nevertheless, many regard the senses of flaunt and flout as entirely unrelated and concerned speakers and writers still continue to keep them separate.


And now, I laugh at you.

Because the government rules with an iron fist and subjects the populace to fear or irrational entities for the sole purpose of perpetuating its legacy of power. People are trained to be scared of imagined external foes to the point that they will blindly support the government even when it is idiotic to do so. The army also displays unquestioning faith to the government and is instrumental in providing power to the government and stopping it from fracturing. It would be naive to assume that the government will magically collapse, especially after sanctions have proven futile.

once North Koreas military rusts away or all of its people starve to death which ever comes first I doubt there will be much of a N.Korean Government

And now, I laugh at you.

I've been doing that since the first post

Kim Jong Il depends on the loyalty of his army to keep control of North Korea. If he runs out of the food needed to feed them and their families, his government collapses.

Give the North Koreans at least some credit. They may be pathetically backwards in many areas, but they do have sufficient arable land as is necesasry to support their population. Kimmy may not be intelligent in the least, but he is capable of feeding the populace.

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

WOOT!!!BOMB NORTH KOREA::mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :D

I've been doing that since the first post

Well, yeah, but he managed to destroy his own argument.

And now, I laugh at you.

What? According to that note, some people may consider my usage of the word "flaunt" to be "ambiguous," although the word is used by literate, well-educated people in similar contexts to that in which I use it. It does not mean I used it incorrectly. I am the one chortling at your inadequacies, my friend. :)

This guy's threads - whilst fun - are a waste of space.

Although quite amusing is his fantastic ability to unite lefties with righties; atheists with theists; and socialists with pseudo-fascists in absolute shock at one human being's stupidity.

What an eejit.

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

But instead of this stupid blowhard garbage, why can't we just nuke the forum trolls?

Give the North Koreans at least some credit. They may be pathetically backwards in many areas, but they do have sufficient arable land as is necesasry to support their population. Kimmy may not be intelligent in the least, but he is capable of feeding the populace.

You forgot the fact that there ALL STARVING TO DEATH.(There population is actually declining)Anyway,saying your country is "at least able to feed it own people":confused: is pretty sad dont you think?

Yay! Nuclear war!

Sure, millions of people will die... but what's a few lives, next to an excuse to indulge in paranoid irrationalities?

We should just embargo their food and oil, and slowly starve/freeze them to death. That's the compassionate option.

Amen.

Actually, thats what the current UN sanctions are leading up to. It's a good thing. I can't wait to see rail-thin Koreans gunning down Kim in Pyongyang Square... And I dont usually watch the news.

The US won't risk South Korea and Japan. 'nough said.

But instead of this stupid blowhard garbage, why can't we just nuke the forum trolls?

Why? Have the mods do it for us. ;)

Give the North Koreans at least some credit. They may be pathetically backwards in many areas, but they do have sufficient arable land as is necesasry to support their population. Kimmy may not be intelligent in the least, but he is capable of feeding the populace.

WRONG. That's so WRONG. People are starving in the streets buddy-boy. They have no food. Castro he ain't, he hasn't thought through the heights of his defence budget with feeding his populace.

Just check out amnesty international's website if you don't believe me.

It doesn't have to be the USA, you know? There are countries in the surroundings capable enough of invading it. If the USA gives a little hand it would be nice, though.

As if China wants to help us,and Japan and South Korea dont have a serious military.

Japan and South Korea dont have a serious military.

Yeah they do.

As if China wants to help us,and Japan and South Korea dont have a serious military.

China's patience is running thin on there neighbour its coming to the point where North Korea would be more useful as a province (Harrah for the starving Koreans who already ate all the rodents I suppose)

And do you really need a serious military to take on North Korea?

So now we're gonna start a war with North Korea and demonize North Koreans in order to maintain support for such an outrageous act? Are we now gonna be like, "We need t' bomb them slit-eye buggers off the face o' the Earth!"? Sorry, but I tend not to support warfare, and one of the reasons is that it just degrades into a battle versus "the Evil Monster".

Don't believe me? Just look at propaganda posters from WWII, an arguably justified war at that! And look also at what kids growing up during that war were taught to play: Kill the Jap, I believe it was called.

As if China wants to help us,and Japan and South Korea dont have a serious military.

China is changing their views on NK, and will change even more.

Japan and SK don't have a serious military? SK alone would probably be enough to pwn NK.

China's patience is running thin on there neighbour its coming to the point where North Korea would be more useful as a province (Harrah for the starving Koreans who already ate all the rodents I suppose)

And do you really need a serious military to take on North Korea?

About 15 million strong for Russia-style combat (wave of people) or 3 million for logistics-based warfare.

Just check out amnesty international's website if you don't believe me.

Heh. If I don't believe you, I should view a site which spews liberal clap-trap? I think not.

About 15 million strong for Russia-style combat (wave of people) or 3 million for logistics-based warfare.

simple just mow them down at the DMZ and use Air strikes/special forces to take out the artillery support then slowly move forwards as the country tears itself apart

Heh. If I don't believe you, I should view a site which spews liberal clap-trap? I think not.

lmfao

Hey, trolls gotta eat, too.

Kimmy may not be intelligent in the least, but he is capable of feeding the populace.

No, dude, he's not. Most North Koreans are starving to death and the only reason they stay is because they'll die immediately via bullet wound if they are caught trying to leave. At least a slow death by starvation offers some small hope that some as yet unidentified hero will swoop in and save them and their lives might improve.

Kim Jong Il is a crazy fuck with the general mentality of a 2nd grader. I'm not opposed to Norh Korea having nukes, I'm opposed to Kim Jong Il having nukes. I don't think nuking an already suffering people is going to help the situation. Just like Saddam Hussein and his sons were Iraq's biggest problems (though now they've been replaced by the United States military), it's Little Kimmy who needs to go, not the country. While this task may prove difficult, it is inevitably a matter of time (cf Castro). The real question is, which will come first: Mr. Il getting his hands on his new toy(s) or his destruction at the hands of either someone who's finally grown tired enough of his shit that they are willing to risk their own life to end his or at the hands of time? In the prior case, we may not have much choice, as he really is stupid and crazy enough to force someone to play a nuclear card. In the latter case, our only salvation is in the idea that his successor doesn't get the idea from Kimmy that it is OK to try and run a country that way and continue his screwball legacy.

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

I agree. We should liberate the people of North Korea by vaporizing them in a nuclear fireball. :P

Heh. If I don't believe you, I should view a site which spews liberal clap-trap? I think not.

Amnesty International is not 'liberal clap-trap' it's....actually I'm not going to rise to it as you, amigo, are not worth it: so there.

Instead: *clears throat* Ner-ner-na-ner-ner your a little shit stirrer ner-ner-na-ner-ner you have no friends here, ner-ner-na-ner-ner etc etc etc repeat until he goes away...

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

It's uncanny how utterly insane and stupid some people can be. So what you're saying is that if a country has;

1. the means to attack you;
2. distributed arms to disreputable countries and rebel factions around the world;
3. has illegally invaded another country;
4. is run by a corrupt, unstable and arguably insane dictator

then it's perfectly okay to invade and/or nuke them. If that's your logic, then you've rolled out the red carpet for North Korea to launch a nuclear attack against the U.S. which, strangely enough, qualifies in all of those categories.

Thank god you're not in charge.

4. is run by a corrupt, unstable and arguably insane dictator

Yes, because the president of the US (who was democratically elected, mind you, and is thus not a dictator) is corrupt, unstable, and insane. Please proceed with putting on a tin foil hat and moving to Canada or France. I'm sure some people will be willing to tolerate your bullshit there. Thank you.

Amnesty International is not 'liberal clap-trap' it's

Remember the really big lie they told about Iraqi troops slaughtering babies by stealing incubators? They had not a single shred of proof to back up their assertions, yet they wrote a 84-page report on it nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International#Criticisms

There are only 26 million people in NK anyway.

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Remember the really big lie they told about Iraqi troops slaughtering babies by stealing incubators? They had not a single shred of proof to back up their assertions, yet they wrote a 84-page report on it nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International#Criticisms

Two things. One your currency for your nation is the sieg: not as in the word that fascists put in front of heil by any chance? And two don't use disputed articles from wikipedia as true evidence.

ALL I am going to say.

Guys, this has been reported to moderation. Please, let it go.


Last thing I promise man.

Remember the really big lie they told about Iraqi troops slaughtering babies by stealing incubators? They had not a single shred of proof to back up their assertions, yet they wrote a 84-page report on it nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International#Criticisms

Remember the really big lie someone else told about Iraq having WMD? They didn't have a single shred of proof to back up their assertions, yet they wrote numerous reports on it nonetheless AND went to war.

Two things. One your currency for your nation is the sieg: not as in the word that fascists put in front of heil by any chance?

It is the German word for "victory," yes. However, I used it because it is also a beautiful tributary of the Rhine River, and it was the first thing which came into my mind when deciding which currency to use.

Remember the really big lie someone else told about Iraq having WMD? They didn't have a single shred of proof to back up their assertions, yet they wrote numerous reports on it nonetheless AND went to war.

It wasn't a lie -- it was the fault of the CIA that they did not provide adequate information to the president. Also, Iraq may have had WMDs; however, they would have shipped them out of the country prior to the US invasion and they would have blown up the manufacturing plants. They obviously wouldn't want to leave traces of their WMD programmes, now would they?

Well, MTAE has proven he knows nothing of economics and now nothing of the current situation in the region.

And we're surprised by this why?

No, that's "flout". Looks like you need a dictionary.


No, sorry cabbage, he's right. He's an insane moron, but he's right about the definition of the word flaunt.

It wasn't a lie -- it was the fault of the CIA that they did not provide adequate information to the president. Also, Iraq may have had WMDs; however, they would have shipped them out of the country prior to the US invasion and they would have blown up the manufacturing plants. They obviously wouldn't want to leave traces of their WMD programmes, now would they?

Yeah, they wouldn't want to leave any evidence....they might get invaded.

Gimmick accounts are fun though eh?

Yeah, they wouldn't want to leave any evidence....they might get invaded.

If Saddam could perform an action which would unfairly discredit the US, I'm sure he would be anti-American enough to do it. In this case, he chose to destroy his WMD programmes rather than let them fall into American hands and show people worldwide how much of a threat he really was.

Yes, because the president of the US (who was democratically elected, mind you, and is thus not a dictator) is corrupt, unstable, and insane. Please proceed with putting on a tin foil hat and moving to Canada or France. I'm sure some people will be willing to tolerate your bullshit there. Thank you.

Actually, I take that one back. I don't think Bush is insane. Stupid and short-sighted maybe, but not insane. Oh, and I wouldn't exactly call the American political scene democracy... not these days anyway. Bush lost both elections, but managed to win due to some "creative accounting" in the ballot counting department.

By the way, you probably will see a lot of people moving to Canada and France now that Bush has legalized torture. No more namby pamby human rights rules to slow down that ol' forced confession right?

Way to go Bushy boy... you've just brought the stature of your entire country down another full notch.

If Saddam could perform an action which would unfairly discredit the US, I'm sure he would be anti-American enough to do it. In this case, he chose to destroy his WMD programmes rather than let them fall into American hands and show people worldwide how much of a threat he really was.

how do you hide any evidence of WMD?

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.
Nuke North Korea?
:rolleyes:

Hey genius have you ever heard of fallout?
Go to Google maps or Google Earth and look at North Korea.
If the wind is blowing from south to north or east to west the fallout falls on China.
Do you think they are going to thank us for all that nifty radiation?
If the wind is blows from north to south then our ally South Korea gets a happy surprise of deadly radiation.
If the wind blows from the west to the east our ally Japan gets to relive Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the black rain of death.

Do you ever stop and just think before you type?

Do you know why we have not invaded this particular spoke o the Axis of Evil oh wise one? (beside the fact that the have no oil of course)
Seoul South Korea is only about 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone.
Seoul ( a city of 10 million people) is well within range of conventional weapons and would be laid to waste as soon as the first bomb dropped on N. Korea.

But I forget who I am "debating"!
The chicken hawk 101st Keyboarder that relishes in the deaths of anyone that is not American!
But is, of course, to faint of heart to join in any of the endless wars he cheerleads for.
Be gone troll :gundge:

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.


Oh, flibble.

Oh, and I wouldn't exactly call the American political scene democracy... not these days anyway. Bush lost both elections, but managed to win due to some "creative accounting" in the ballot counting department.

I think its already been established that the vote rigging was not true at all (and you can only really rig an election once these days)

With that said America is very close to being a dictatorship not any fault of its own but the two party system where both parties are the same is really defeating the point of voting

If Saddam could perform an action which would unfairly discredit the US, I'm sure he would be anti-American enough to do it. In this case, he chose to destroy his WMD programmes rather than let them fall into American hands and show people worldwide how much of a threat he really was.

Then, to downplay how much of a threat he was even further, he hid in a hole and let his hair grow out. Now there is a guy dedicated to staying in character [though you know all about that].

Agreed, as long as the nukes are filled with adorable puppies instead of plutonium.
Perhaps MTAE can go along for the ride, to ensure that the delivery was accurate?

http://images.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_TN/0041-0503-1005-4635_TN.jpg

Two birds one stone theory. :D

Then, to downplay how much of a threat he was even further, he hid in a hole and let his hair grow out. Now there is a guy dedicated to staying in character [though you know all about that].
:D

No, sorry cabbage, he's right. He's an insane moron, but he's right about the definition of the word flaunt.

Read later into the thread. His own source admits that it's a flawed usage that almost all authorities consider to be utterly incorrect.

:headbang:
OK, so remember how nobody liked what happened on 9/11? I am sure that everyone normal was as pissed as I was (pissed is a gross understatement). Now, I want you to think about this. Were you pissed because two great looking buildings got torn apart, or because so many innocent people died? Alleged reason for attack was that some idiots didn’t like US foreign policies.
So keeping all that in mind, you are saying that we should nook NK for things that their TYRANT leader is doing? You would nook the people who already live in fear for their life for things that they have no control over?
I hate blogs but I will come back just to read your answer to this. I am not going to go in to the whole moral thing of why do you thing that we are entitled to having nooks and nobody else is, but I would like to hear what do you thing the official reason is of why they should not have nooks?

No insult…but people like you are the reason for 9/11

I kept thinking the previous poster was talking about kitchen furniture...

...Or maybe I've got it wrong: Let's all sit in the breakfast nuke and eat some cereal together, kids.

no. nuclear war will result in an apocalypse.

Read later into the thread. His own source admits that it's a flawed usage that almost all authorities consider to be utterly incorrect.

I wouldn't use it in that way either, but the definition was listed on dictionary.com. I think flout or defy is more accurate.

I wouldn't use it in that way either, but the definition was listed on dictionary.com. I think flout or defy is more accurate.

Dictionary.com was the site that included a disclaimer that said usage of "flaunt" was not proper usage.

Bomb NK for using nukes underground with our ownnukes? Bombing people for peace? That's as senseless as f--king for virginity.

Think about the environmental reprocussions it has on not just the region, but the world as well. Do you seriously think the US should contribute to the destruction of mother earth and the peoples of an entire nation?

Appauling to say the least that anyone would concider such an uncounciled and reckless act. We'd be no worse than suicide bombers, destroying copious amounts of innocent people and a few enemies along with killing ourselves. The part in which we kill ourselves is destroying the world's ecosystems with planet altering weapons like nukes.

Think before you become your own enemy. :(

Perhaps MTAE can go along for the ride, to ensure that the delivery was accurate?

http://images.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_TN/0041-0503-1005-4635_TN.jpg

Two birds one stone theory. :D

Your post brought this image to mind.

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/7971/strangelovemj5.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Korean_dmz_map.png

Seoul, a metropolitan area of 22.8 million people. Within range of conventional artillery. Seoul will be levelled at the first sign of an attack on North Korea.

:headbang:
OK, so remember how nobody liked what happened on 9/11? I am sure that everyone normal was as pissed as I was (pissed is a gross understatement). Now, I want you to think about this. Were you pissed because two great looking buildings got torn apart, or because so many innocent people died? Alleged reason for attack was that some idiots didn’t like US foreign policies.
So keeping all that in mind, you are saying that we should nook NK for things that their TYRANT leader is doing? You would nook the people who already live in fear for their life for things that they have no control over?
I hate blogs but I will come back just to read your answer to this. I am not going to go in to the whole moral thing of why do you thing that we are entitled to having nooks and nobody else is, but I would like to hear what do you thing the official reason is of why they should not have nooks?

No insult…but people like you are the reason for 9/11
I'm sure there's a GREAT point in there... yes... I see it.

Great…cause some people never get it…but I try not to use it against them, cause nobody chooses their limitations. ;)

Your post brought this image to mind.

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/7971/strangelovemj5.png (http://imageshack.us)
Actually, that is EXACTLY the pic I was looking for. :)

Ok MTAE......suit up, and give them hell!! :D

I was always wondering in today's intelligence age, why is it necessary to do war with the average grunt?

A few snipers taking out key leaders and their look a likes should be all that is required shouldnt it?

Its not like we are all upset with Joe average over in NK. We are just nervous as hell with their leader getting a shiny new red button put in his office.

Because killing off an entire population and mutating their children to come with the gift of cancer, when they have no other way to live but take orders, will ALWAYS solve the problem.

I agree.

And since Bush is being a dick too, why don't we nuke America?

Edit:
"A few snipers taking out key leaders and their look a likes should be all that is required shouldnt it?"

Because than you have to kill potential leaders, and then it's pretty much the a-little-above-average Joe that ends up being targeted, in what could be decade long wars involving eventually almost explicately civilians, which of course is supercalaetc. Good premis for a book. But anyway, you see the fubar here. Either no one lives, or only the dumbest live. War isn't going to solve as many problems as it has before. Given, it's still needed, but this is a new age, just as WW2 saw the end of one age, mainly large population contests in standing armies.

China will take care of them of they step out of line too far. I don't think we have anything to worry about... except maybe them accidentally blowing themselves up.

Drop bombs filled with locusts and frogs.

That'll learn em.

Or better yet, THE LOCUST!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Locustpromopic.jpg

You hit the nail right on the head with that comment. You said that North Korea is not a threat "at least at this stage." That is the crucial point which needs to be reflected upon. The fact that North Korea will progress with its nuclear programme, given sufficient time, is ineluctable. The reason why we cannot bomb Pakistan or India is because they have too many nukes -- they could employ them in such a method as would result in a completely unstable global situation. Hell, they might even deliver a nuke to New York or Boston. It's too late to attack them now because they have acquired sufficient nuclear weapons as to assure an adequate MAD protective shield. To compound the problem, North Korea is a totalitarian communist state which grants its citizens little to no freedoms -- the same is not applicable to other nuclear countries, at least to that extent (Russia and China are close, as is Pakistan; Israel, of course, is not, and neither are Britain and France). Who knows what they are capable of? Haven't we learned that we shouldn't trust states such as these with nuclear weapons after Khan's dealings were brought to light? We should not risk our way of life on the hunch that North Korea is peaceful.

And why should we jump without prior knowledge of their true motives, to war and risk the lives of our soldiers and the innocents of North Korea as the hunch that they mean us harm and are a threat?

Then there's the fact that taking action will have two outcomes, which, most likely would happen at the same time:

1.If America were to destroy any "rogue nations" then otehr said "rogue" nations will join up with said rogue nation and thus unite, if only temperarily to strike back at America (or whoever). This way America would be attacked on almost every front, from multiple sources and directions...hardly good odds, despite the country's size.

Then there's the second : 2. If we were to bomb north korea in any way, countries may join in. Sure this sounds great to some of you, but what better way to stagnate relationships than to add yet more friendly fire issues than will undoubtedly happen, AND the nause of all the intelligence swapping between allies. I mean, its obvious that the more people you have involved, the more you need to think about where to drop a bomb, and the more you need to consider the possibility that if you drop it, people may be under it that shouldnt have been (any country's specials ops, etc) again adding to inter-ally hostility. Especially if, as you say, the countres with nukes so far are justified in their nuke posession, which I myself do not agree with. (yes thats my opinion, thus not really of any value but hey)

Another example, not involving any nukes....(well, not any REAL, solid PROVEN ones anyway) I hate to say the word Iraq? I think actions here have far overstepped the initial point of justification. France were alienated by these actions more than pretty mch any of the other states, public opinion in coalition states has also plummeted against each government, not just for anti-war, but in general.

If every "threat" were acted on, there'd be alot less threats...but alot more rubble, and not just that of america's enemies, the whole MAD situation possibility starts now with a new state...surely thats reason enough to not be so rash? Especially if im wrong and N.Korea is far more developed than they're letting on.

Yes, because the president of the US (who was democratically elected, mind you, and is thus not a dictator) is corrupt, unstable, and insane. Please proceed with putting on a tin foil hat and moving to Canada or France. I'm sure some people will be willing to tolerate your bullshit there. Thank you.

Funny, because you were saying Chavez, a democratically elected leader, had to be forcibly removed.

Further, Means values democracy so much that his idea is "if you say anything bad about the President, you shouldn't be here!".

Hey, everyone! Witness Means' totally new brand of logic and coherence! You know, the one that ISN'T.

Come on, now, you're making this too easy. You're easier to win an argument against than an onion! At least onions keep quiet when they can't think of anything to say!

Heh. If I don't believe you, I should view a site which spews liberal clap-trap? I think not.

Of course! Why would you check statistics from people that disagree with you when you can look up that information right in your rectal cavity?

yada yada yada

Mr. President, can you please stop posting on political forums.

Mr. President, can you please stop posting on political forums.

Nah... If anything Means shows us all something...

There are worse things to the world than having the genocidal chimp as US president.

Having Means as one.

Seriously, are you so imbecilic? I already warned one person to look in the dictionary prior to posting such idiotic comments. Perhaps you may benefit from the same advice. I'll even post the link for you so as to facilitate your search. Please do not appear so ignorant in the future; it is not becoming of you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flaunt

—Usage note 4. The use of flaunt to mean “to ignore or treat with disdain” (He flaunts community standards with his behavior) is strongly objected to by many usage guides, which insist that only flout can properly express this meaning. From its earliest appearance in English in the 16th century, flaunt has had the meanings “to display oneself conspicuously, defiantly, or boldly” in public and “to parade or display ostentatiously.” These senses approach those of flout, which dates from about the same period: “to treat with disdain, scorn, or contempt; scoff at; mock.” A sentence like Once secure in his new social position, he was able to flaunt his lower-class origins can thus be ambiguous in current English. Considering the similarity in pronunciation of the two words, it is not surprising that flaunt has assumed the meanings of flout and that this use has appeared in the speech and edited writing of even well-educated, literate persons. Nevertheless, many regard the senses of flaunt and flout as entirely unrelated and concerned speakers and writers still continue to keep them separate.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1)

Did i read it rigth that someone thinks that bombing a country plagued a a dictatorship by decades killing killing thousends with the 1st nuke most likelly destroing Soul and killing about half of the south korean population is the way to go???
I mean COME ON!!!
Even if they do shoot their nuke at someone its that crazy dictator that has to get wacked !! Now with that i agree althoug it would cause the collapse of the NK regime and million of refugee would flock to China an SK.
What they all have to do is give hten the same treatment that they gave to Israel, India and Pakistan complain a bit and then shut the hell up!!

What cant anyone see that if you fire a nuke at someone in about 5 minutes there will be 5 nuke firing at you.. and then you fire back... and then nuclear hollocaust radiation all over the planet and the freaking roaches will be the dominat species on the planet. Bravo! great idea lets shoot nukes:headbang:

actualy we shoud keep it war(m)_

_and forget the winter

Whats wrong with letting China , who has actual influence and can either force a change internally by having the NK military remove Kim Bung or use its own Military to simply march in and visit for a while , take care of it ...

WITHOUT FUCKING NUKES ?

Why is everyone in such a hurry to die ?


And anyway why else do we shop at Wall Mart if its not to influence China? ;)

You need to tape a poster to your mirror that says "NUKES ARE BAD DONT USE THEM " and repeat it 100 times a day until it sinks in ...:D

If it ever gets to the point that nukes start popping the world is in for a new dark age...global economy and all.

The Jihadist all WANT the world to end so they have an excuse but whats yours ????

Seoul, a metropolitan area of 22.8 million people. Within range of conventional artillery. Seoul will be levelled at the first sign of an attack on North Korea.
If not levelled, then probably highly contaminated from the fallout, rendering it unliveable.
Who's going to put up 23 million Koreans?
Means, do you have the room?

why dnt we broadcast the tellytubbies into every tv set in korea they will surely give up and abandon everything after a few months

What cant anyone see that if you fire a nuke at someone in about 5 minutes there will be 5 nuke firing at you.. and then you fire back... and then nuclear hollocaust radiation all over the planet and the freaking roaches will be the dominat species on the planet. Bravo! great idea lets shoot nukes:headbang:

Anyone with a slight degree of sanity CAN see that. QED the fact that we're stomping Means to the ground here.

Whats wrong with letting China , who has actual influence and can either force a change internally by having the NK military remove Kim Bung or use its own Military to simply march in and visit for a while , take care of it ...

WITHOUT FUCKING NUKES ?

Why is Means in such a hurry to die and take the world with him?

Fixed for accuracy. I don't think anyone but Means is suggesting genocide here... Right? o_O

Anyone with a slight degree of sanity CAN see that. QED the fact that we're stomping Means to the ground here.


And NK and Iran and anyone else who wants NUKES needs to be stomped into the ground.

We need to keep working on reducing the amount of nukes in the world...and NOT by actually using them up on each other.

No nukes for anyone should be the goal .

And NK and Iran and anyone else who wants NUKES needs to be stomped into the ground.

We need to keep working on reducing the amount of nukes in the world...and NOT by actually using them up on each other.

No nukes for anyone should be the goal .

Wow, we agree on something! I'm surprised at Means' ability to draw "hey, dude, you're fucking insane" from all sides of the political spectrum. o_O

Fixed for accuracy. I don't think anyone but Means is suggesting genocide here... Right? o_O

I realise that he is taking his name literally....but it was accurate before you changed it....he's not the only one calling for NK to get NUKED .

" Lets use NUKE bunker busters " etc.

Worlds gone crazy...

Japan wants its own nukes...:D If Toyota makes Japans NUKES then Japan will be unstoppable .


China needs to hurry.....;)

I realise that he is taking his name literally....but it was accurate before you changed it....he's not the only one calling for NK to get NUKED .

" Lets use NUKE bunker busters " etc.

Worlds gone crazy...

Japan wants its own nukes...:D If Toyota makes Japans NUKES then Japan will be unstoppable .


China needs to hurry.....;)

Well yeah, I meant Means in this forum.

And as far as I'm concerned, let China deal with it - not only I think higher of Japan, China is also more sparsely populated (Bigger population, lower population density) in case either gets any nukes. And China would be the one if it attacked NK.

Edit: Further, the 9th Ammendment to Japan's Constitution is one of its jewels, and Japan should keep the pacifist constitution that is part of what makes it a great nation.

It's time to quarter MeansToAnEnd

The aforementioned poster hurts my brain and that of several other forum users by being incredible stupid, reactionary, bloodthirsty, inhumane and jingoistic. Therefore the only possible way to end this is to bind his extremities between four strong animals, traditionally horses but elephants would be a nice touch, and drive them apart. Oh, and his family as well, too bad if they are innocent.

It's time to quarter MeansToAnEnd

The aforementioned poster hurts my brain and that of several other forum users by being incredible stupid, reactionary, bloodthirsty, inhumane and jingoistic. Therefore the only possible way to end this is to bind his extremities between four strong animals, traditionally horses but elephants would be a nice touch, and drive them apart. Oh, and his family as well, too bad if they are innocent.

*Fixes up some popcorn for everyone. People hear from the kitchen.*

CAN SOMEONE TAKE CARE OF THE MOUNTAIN DEW?

:D

We need to keep working on reducing the amount of nukes in the world...and NOT by actually using them up on each other.

No nukes for anyone should be the goal .
WOW!!! I think I actually agree with you on something. Must be a first!! :)

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

This is why children aren't allowed to hold political office. (Albeit adults can't seem to do much better.

Did i read it rigth that someone thinks that bombing a country plagued a a dictatorship by decades killing killing thousends with the 1st nuke most likelly destroing Soul and killing about half of the south korean population is the way to go???
I mean COME ON!!!
Even if they do shoot their nuke at someone its that crazy dictator that has to get wacked !! Now with that i agree althoug it would cause the collapse of the NK regime and million of refugee would flock to China an SK.
What they all have to do is give hten the same treatment that they gave to Israel, India and Pakistan complain a bit and then shut the hell up!!exactamundo.

exactamundo.


Bullshit. They NEED to deal with the reality of a Kim bung lead NK with NUKES and end it . Diplomatically or by China.

We need less nukes not more.

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.


You would kill up to a million Soth Koreans ?

Did you take some bad meds ?

Or do you just hate asians ?

Sorry but I really felt this post needed a direct response.

Its way too Dr. Strangelove for me.

Its way too Dr. Strangelove for me.

Or: How Means learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. :D

We need less nukes not more.I 100% agree. We need a World-wide ban on nukes. Once you get elected President in your Country and sign that treaty.. give me a call. ;) Bullshit. They NEED to deal with the reality of a Kim bung lead NK with NUKES and end it

...
Who is "they"end it
... by China.#1 Blair is not the president/MP of China.
#2 China is not your Lap Dog.

I 100% agree. We need a World-wide ban on nukes. Once you get elected President in your Country and sign that treaty.. give me a call. ;)
...
Who is "they"#1 Blair is not the president/MP of China.
#2 China is not your Lap Dog.


SEOUL — North Korea appeared to slip further into isolation on Monday, as China – under intense pressure to enforce new UN sanctions – inspected cargo trucks bound for its ally and stepped up construction of a border fence.

Japan – once a major trading partner with the North Korea – said it was considering further sanctions, and Australia barred the North's ships from its ports.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061016.wnkor1016/BNStory/International

Anything else ?

China has CHINA'S best interest at heart and yes CHINA is our BITCH ..we have WALLMART ..:p

and yes CHINA is our BITCH If China is your bitch.. then why didnt you ask them to solve your NK "problem" ...4 years ago.

If China is your bitch.. then why didnt you ask them to solve your NK "problem" ...4 years ago.

Stop being a buttmunch and qoute the entire thing or even just read it .

As it is I will no longer respond to you because you have proven time and time again why..." I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent " .

Go troll in other waters .

As it is I will no longer respond to you because you ...Welcome to the land of OD-frustrated-peoples. :D
that land is full of tears.. go and cry me a river..

Because the government rules with an iron fist and subjects the populace to fear or irrational entities for the sole purpose of perpetuating its legacy of power. People are trained to be scared of imagined external foes to the point that they will blindly support the government even when it is idiotic to do so. The army also displays unquestioning faith to the government and is instrumental in providing power to the government and stopping it from fracturing.
...snip...

:confused: Are you talking about the U.S. or North Korea? :confused:

You would kill up to a million Soth Koreans ?


Not to mention North Koreans.

WOW!!! I think I actually agree with you on something. Must be a first!! :)

*Thunder rolls, on cue.*

It's not time to nuke ANYBODY!!!
Radiation may be fun for kicks and giggles in the movies, but in real life it can have terrible, worldwide, repercussions!

North Korea has flaunted the will of the international community and its people for far too long. It has defied attempts to control its nuclear weapons programme and has scoffed at serious economic actions taken against it. It is a rogue nation which will become increasingly more difficult to keep in check as it improves the quality of its military and increases the quantity of its nuclear weapons. It will become steadily and insidiously a more potent foe and a threat to global stability. This dangerous state must be dealt with prior to it being too late. Now is a propitious occasion to confront the threat. We must seek to annihilate North Korea before it can employ its nuclear weapons for terrible means -- before it can sell its nuclear secrets to terrorists or foreign states. Thus, we should commence bombarding North Korea both conventionally and with nuclear weapons. If it does not abandon its nuclear weapons programme, we will continue bombing it until it is no more than a heap of rubble. We waited too long before we declared war on Nazi Germany and imperial Japan -- we must not commit the same error twice. If history has taught us anything, it's that we must nip the threat in the bud and not follow a policy of mindless appeasement. The cost will be great, but we will send the correct message to the world and ensure our prosperity and the success of the free world for years to come. Otherwise, we could be overwhelmed by nefarious entities using nuclear blackmail and nuclear weapons to demolish our very foundations of government; we must not let that occur at any cost.

Cost? Let me tell you about the cost of a nuclear escalation. The nuclear armed nations of this world will not sit idly by and let the United States bomb North Korea back into the stone age. China will get in on the act. Japan will cease to exist...and the Chinese who are at least temporarily in agreement with us, will go into full mobilization against us. Last I checked they have a population just north of 3 billion to commit to a land war. They will not lack allies. Putin will view the US as a dangerous rogue and commit Russia to supporting China fully against the dangerous rogue state the US will have become.

The rest of the world will rally against the United States, except for the UK.

So in a moment of frustration, you and your ilk would cause the greatest escalation to war in US history.

Kindly go back and actually read some books, it is obvious you don't read enough History or Political Science. Either that or you went to the same school of thought that George W. Bush attended. The School of Bullying and Vapid Threats. The idiotic cowboy mentality will get us all killed, or is that something you wished to accomplish? Are you one of those who want to hasten the return of Jesus Christ to a nuclear irradiated hell?

<shaking head> Moron.

The rest of the world will rally against the United States, except for the UK.

Sums our government up, really.