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Very sad situation. Kim obviously couldn't give two shits for his own people.

BEIJING, China (AP) -- Millions of North Koreans face "real hardship" this winter due to cuts in food aid from foreign donors, the U.N.'s food agency said Monday, as the country sank further into isolation after its claimed nuclear test.

U.N. Security Council sanctions imposed after Pyongyang's purported nuclear test last week don't apply to food aid, which the impoverished country has relied on to feed its people for more than a decade.

But South Korea, a key donor, stopped aid after the North fired a series of missiles in July, and supplies from China, the North's main foreign food donor, are one-third of last year's levels, said Mike Huggins, a WFP spokesman who just returned from a five-day visit to North Korea.

The United States also has stopped donating to the WFP's North Korea operations, but says it will continue other food aid to the North.

The aid shortages come on top of the North's decision to accept less food from the World Food Program. A decision that means about 4 million people fewer are being fed this year, Huggins said.

At this time of year, fruit and vegetables "are not available to the poorest people, and they become more reliant on food aid," Huggins said in Beijing. "If that food aid is not there, then there is going to be very real hardship."

Huggins said children, mothers, the elderly and the infirm were at greatest risk.

Some 37 percent of North Korea's children are malnourished and one-third of mothers are malnourished and anemic, he said.

Huggins said those figures were likely to "look even more alarming" if more aid is not delivered soon.

The North has needed foreign donations to feed its 23 million people since its state-run farm system collapsed in the mid-1990s following the loss of Soviet subsidies.

North Korea asked the WFP last year to switch its emphasis from food aid to development assistance. According to the agency, Pyongyang said its harvests are improving and that it expects to receive more aid from China and South Korea.

The agency agreed to scale down its operations, providing food to 1.9 million North Koreans this year, down sharply from the 6.5 million people it was feeding in past years. But it warned that such a rapid change could leave many people without adequate food.

"Clearly, if there is no bilateral aid to fill that gap there are going be serious repercussions," he said.

North Korea's grain harvests should show a shortfall of about 800,000 tons this year, Huggins said. He said WFP will donate about 75,000 tons, or less than 10 percent of the shortfall.

The WFP is feeding about 4 million fewer people this year, but millions of others who would have been fed through bilateral aid are also likely to go hungry as well, Huggins said.

I mean the guy actually asked the UN for LESS food!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/16/nkorea.hunger.ap/index.html

Sickening. :mad:

Very sad situation. Kim obviously couldn't give two shits for his own people.




Tell us something we don't know :rolleyes:


(No disrespect to you man, its towards Kim Il Jung ;))


But yeah, hes a bastard who should be taken down.

We should start a Smarmy Tin-Pot Despot Clubbing business. Instead of cute seals, we can club batshit creeps like Kim. :D

The North has needed foreign donations to feed its 23 million people since its state-run farm system collapsed in the mid-1990s following the loss of Soviet subsidies.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/16/nkorea.hunger.ap/index.html

don't you see the word,adding help and you get a déjà vu....
Bon appetit

North Koreans face a hungry winter
why?
has there been a drop in the birth rate there?

They can eat weapons grade plutonium.

It gets better and better


From: http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea

NKorea faces growing US nuclear threat: Pyongyang

SEOUL (AFP) -
North Korea is under growing threat of nuclear attack from the United States, the Stalinist regime's number two has said, urging its impoverished citizens to brace for "final victory".


I love that phrase 'final victory', perhaps it should be translated as "stand by, your leaders are about to do something so incredibly stupid that it may kill you all"

Ref. Germany Jan 1945, Japan July 1945, Saddam Jan 1991.... etc etc

El-Supremo Boris

<<<digging a deep hole to hide in... whilst forgeting the height of the water table around here :eek:

It gets better and better


From: http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea



I love that phrase 'final victory', perhaps it should be translated as "stand by, your leaders are about to do something so incredibly stupid that it may kill you all"

Ref. Germany Jan 1945, Japan July 1945, Saddam Jan 1991.... etc etc

El-Supremo Boris

<<<digging a deep hole to hide in... whilst forgeting the height of the water table around here :eek:

Do you understand korean?
No.
Then Shut up.
People are going to die,and you in the us and others can not do a fuck.
Well,not yet.

Wow... this makes those desolate African countries look better every day... and that's... I don't know what that is.

It's proof that no matter what we do for any country, if it won't stand up and do for itself, nothing is going to get better. We're not responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world, and we can't always make things better.

Yup! Saw this coming from up the block, down the road, around some S curves, and pass the 3rd pancake house on the left.

Kim Jong "mentally" Il won't lose any weight, I'd wager.

The thought occurs, if the NK regime ever falls, we'd have to embark on a rehabilitation program for an entire country.

It's proof that no matter what we do for any country, if it won't stand up and do for itself, nothing is going to get better. We're not responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world, and we can't always make things better.

That's the problem with North Korea. If we don't send aid people starve. If we do we help ensure Kim Jong-Il's regime's survival, thus perpetuating the problem, and strengthen his army.

It's a lose-lose situation.:(

The thought occurs, if the NK regime ever falls, we'd have to embark on a rehabilitation program for an entire country.

I read this (http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/how_much_for_one_korea.htm)a while back while doing some research on that very subject.

I suppose it will be hard to tell what will need to be done until some reliable economic data is found. Something I doubt even North Korea has.

Saddam took far better care of his people than this jackass. Kim Jong Il, you are official on notice!

Sickening. :mad:

I think that sums it up accurately, yes.

I don't believe there can be any justification for lessening food aid. Millions of malnourished people in the DPRK rely on international aid for their very survival. Condemning innocent people to starvation to "punish" a government who really doesn't care is not only disgusting, it makes no sense at all.

The North Koreans will never "rise up" against Kim. They have been brainwashed for half a century to look upon him almost as a god. Most North Koreans have never known any other system than Stalinism. They have no access to information from the outside world, and they've never been taught critical thinking. Some individuals are smart enough to question their government (silently, privately) but for most people there it's just not conceivable. Nor can they be blamed for it.

North Koreans Praise "Peerless Leader" for Enriched Uranium Kimchi

By No-Dong Missile Command

PYONGYANG, NORTH KOREA - A large demographic of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have recently spoken out in praise of their leader, Kim Jong Il, for his heroic efforts in bringing affordable Uranium-235 Kimchi to malnourished North Koreans.

"In the face of mounting international tensions and economic sanctions from neighboring China and the United Nations, the president has still made the welfare and nourishment of his citizens his first priority," Said a DPRK government official in a recent press statement. "Know that he has their best interests in mind at all times."

Kimchi, a spicy vegetable dish that is eaten at nearly every meal in Korea, is one of the few foods available to North Korea's starving masses. North Korean food production experts have begun replacing cabbage, the main ingredient of Kimchi, with the much less expensive and more abundant U-235, which is expected to cut the cost of Kimchi production by over a hundred percent.

Head of state Kim Jong-Il enjoys one of the highest approval ratings of any leader of a sovereign nation in the world. North Korean citizens regularly refer to him with reverence, and affectionate titles such as "Peerless Leader." An interview conducted by North Korean proxies revealed that the majority of citizens were "ecstatic" about the news of mass distribution of U-235 Kimchi, and thanked the great leader every day for his generosity.

Human rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the Asian Human Rights Commission have spoken out in support of Jong-Il's strong message of compassion and humanitarianism. Long concerned with the quality of life in North Korea, human rights observers have declared the mass production of U-235 Kimchi as a "bold, courageous move to compact hunger in North Korea's most desparate social classes."

North Korea, one of the few remaining communist regimes still left in the world, has been condemned repeatedly by major powers such as the United States and the United Kingdom as a threat to global and regional stability. The current economic sanctions have been deemed the strongest measures yet that the UN has applied to convince the DPRK to cease its "militaristic" and "belligerent" attitudes.

However, Kim Jong-Il's compassionate actions have begun to erode international support for the UN sanctions. President Hugo Chávez of Venezuala said publicly yesterday that North Korea was "A shining example of the socialist ideals espoused by that all who oppose evil US imperialism."

http://students.washington.edu/kylec4/kimchi.jpg
The Uranium-flavored Kimchi that is being distributed to thousands of starving North Koreans

Article © Copyright 2006 by The Okra Inc. All Rights Reserved.

I think that sums it up accurately, yes.

I don't believe there can be any justification for lessening food aid. Millions of malnourished people in the DPRK rely on international aid for their very survival. Condemning innocent people to starvation to "punish" a government who really doesn't care is not only disgusting, it makes no sense at all.

The North Koreans will never "rise up" against Kim. They have been brainwashed for half a century to look upon him almost as a god. Most North Koreans have never known any other system than Stalinism. They have no access to information from the outside world, and they've never been taught critical thinking. Some individuals are smart enough to question their government (silently, privately) but for most people there it's just not conceivable. Nor can they be blamed for it.

You're right, we cannot blame them or expect them to rise up against the only system they know. But we are not responsible for feeding and helping the people of North Korea; that responsibility rests solely upon the government of North Korea.
Foreign aid is a gift we give to those we feel we can help. It is not an obligation, it is not a responsibility, and we alone decide when and where to give it. And frankly, I can think of much better and more responsible places to put it than in propping up Kim Jong Il's military ambitions. Because as long as he can rely upon our aid, he will continue to use it to prepare for war - against us! Because every bite of food we give is one his country can confiscate and use for his war machine.
Instead, I say give that food to the Coca growers in Colombia that we just burned the crops of, or to the Poppy farmers in the golden triangle so they can grow something else and still live. Or use the money to help Bangladesh in their dam and weir programme, so that millions don't get flooded out again this coming Monsoon.
Cutting aid to NK is not punishing their people. It's acknowledging that we're not doing any good by giving them foreign aid - and may be harming ourselves instead.

North Koreans Praise "Peerless Leader" for Enriched Uranium Kimchi

By No-Dong Missile Command

PYONGYANG, NORTH KOREA - A large demographic of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have recently spoken out in praise of their leader, Kim Jong Il, for his heroic efforts in bringing affordable Uranium-235 Kimchi to malnourished North Koreans.

"In the face of mounting international tensions and economic sanctions from neighboring China and the United Nations, the president has still made the welfare and nourishment of his citizens his first priority," Said a DPRK government official in a recent press statement. "Know that he has their best interests in mind at all times."

Kimchi, a spicy vegetable dish that is eaten at nearly every meal in Korea, is one of the few foods available to North Korea's starving masses. North Korean food production experts have begun replacing cabbage, the main ingredient of Kimchi, with the much less expensive and more abundant U-235, which is expected to cut the cost of Kimchi production by over a hundred percent.

Head of state Kim Jong-Il enjoys one of the highest approval ratings of any leader of a sovereign nation in the world. North Korean citizens regularly refer to him with reverence, and affectionate titles such as "Peerless Leader." An interview conducted by North Korean proxies revealed that the majority of citizens were "ecstatic" about the news of mass distribution of U-235 Kimchi, and thanked the great leader every day for his generosity.

Human rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the Asian Human Rights Commission have spoken out in support of Jong-Il's strong message of compassion and humanitarianism. Long concerned with the quality of life in North Korea, human rights observers have declared the mass production of U-235 Kimchi as a "bold, courageous move to compact hunger in North Korea's most desparate social classes."

North Korea, one of the few remaining communist regimes still left in the world, has been condemned repeatedly by major powers such as the United States and the United Kingdom as a threat to global and regional stability. The current economic sanctions have been deemed the strongest measures yet that the UN has applied to convince the DPRK to cease its "militaristic" and "belligerent" attitudes.

However, Kim Jong-Il's compassionate actions have begun to erode international support for the UN sanctions. President Hugo Chávez of Venezuala said publicly yesterday that North Korea was "A shining example of the socialist ideals espoused by that all who oppose evil US imperialism."

http://students.washington.edu/kylec4/kimchi.jpg
The Uranium-flavored Kimchi that is being distributed to thousands of starving North Koreans

Article © Copyright 2006 by The Okra Inc. All Rights Reserved.

OK, that article's even too fucked up for The Onion.

That's the problem with North Korea. If we don't send aid people starve. If we do we help ensure Kim Jong-Il's regime's survival, thus perpetuating the problem, and strengthen his army.

It's a lose-lose situation.:(

They will starve even if we aid. Kim uses the food for the military, not the civilians per se (even though, most of the civilians are in the military, or so I've heard). His plan is just to continue saying to his people that they starve because bad, bad other countries are putting sanctions on them.

OK, that article's even too fucked up for The Onion.

That's probably why I found it so hilarious...

um..what the hell did you people expect? ITS NORTH FUCKING KOREA, its KIM F**** JONG IL. Sanctions are the dumbest thing I've ever heard of to begin with. All they do is punnish the innocent people, do you think Kim is going to have any less food? do you think his top military is going to have enough food? NO. Unless by keeping food away from NK they're hoping some sort of rebbellion might happen, it wont do anything. Not a damn thing but kill more people than Nukeing them would. The UN really needs to pull its head out of its ass but why bother even asking them, They haven't accomplished a damn thing in 50 years. The UN is the biggest failed organization in the history of mankind.

This is just terrible. We should kill Kim Jong-Il and his cronies, instead of cutting off food aid. I'd rather see a handful of demons die than see thousands of innocent people perish.

...The UN is the biggest failed organization in the history of mankind.

You mean other than, say, the Roman Empire, for example? Or did that not count as just as big because it didn't include the western hemisphere?

My question is... can starving people even get the energy to embark on an overthrow-the-government rampage?

um..what the hell did you people expect? ITS NORTH FUCKING KOREA, its KIM F**** JONG IL. Sanctions are the dumbest thing I've ever heard of to begin with. All they do is punnish the innocent people, do you think Kim is going to have any less food? do you think his top military is going to have enough food? NO. Unless by keeping food away from NK they're hoping some sort of rebbellion might happen, it wont do anything. Not a damn thing but kill more people than Nukeing them would. The UN really needs to pull its head out of its ass but why bother even asking them, They haven't accomplished a damn thing in 50 years. The UN is the biggest failed organization in the history of mankind.

The sanctions dont' cover food. The sanctions cover luxory items and other trade goods. They particularly cover weapons and items that can be used to make them. They want to search any vessel entering or leaving NK for that stuff. The food aid being cut off is a different matter unrelated to the sanctions.

You mean other than, say, the Roman Empire, for example? Or did that not count as just as big because it didn't include the western hemisphere?

My question is... can starving people even get the energy to embark on an overthrow-the-government rampage?


Um...the Romans actually accomplished ALOT, you obviously no nothing about history in any way shape or form if you think the UN is more succsesful than the Roman Empire. Therefore it is pointless to continue this argument with you, and I will rightfully declare myself as the winner. I win.

This is just terrible. We should kill Kim Jong-Il and his cronies, instead of cutting off food aid. I'd rather see a handful of demons die than see thousands of innocent people perish.

http://www.orlyowl.com/upload/files/Kim_Jong-Il.jpg

It gets better and better


From: http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea



I love that phrase 'final victory', perhaps it should be translated as "stand by, your leaders are about to do something so incredibly stupid that it may kill you all"

Ref. Germany Jan 1945, Japan July 1945, Saddam Jan 1991.... etc etc

El-Supremo Boris

<<<digging a deep hole to hide in... whilst forgeting the height of the water table around here :eek:
Hilarious!

The US is going to kill everyone with nuclear weapons! Let's joke about that!

Hilarious!

The US is going to kill everyone with nuclear weapons! Let's joke about that!

I seriously doubt the US would use nukes. There's no point; between the ROK Army and the US forces on the ground, I don't think NK has the ability to push past the DMZ.

I think we should cut all aid to North Korea there are far better things to spend our food and money on then Mr Kim can have fun being the only person in his kingdom

What I do propose is that North Korea sets up a feudal system where foreigners buy plots of land, pay to develop them and “hire” North Korean peasants to work them the government gets a slice so do the peasants but the majority of the food is sold to rich Koreans at insane prises its win/win (though there are things to iron out like how to stop them damn children eating everything and how to stop the government from killing you before you get to powerful)

very clever if you ask me and to think they already have a King who is mad enough to allow it

We all know how well all this shit shut down Cuba.

This is just terrible. We should kill Kim Jong-Il and his cronies, instead of cutting off food aid. I'd rather see a handful of demons die than see thousands of innocent people perish.

It'd be pretty damn easy to do so, too. Just wait until 9pm, North Korea time.
Can you guess where Kimmy boy is?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/10/koreaREU121006_548x700.jpg

SNIP

why is the coast lit up :confused:

why is the coast lit up :confused:

It's actually dark, those lines just mark the borders so you can tell North Korea is more than that blip.

It's actually dark, those lines just mark the borders so you can tell North Korea is more than that blip.

I thought Kim had stationed all his army along the coast with flashlights to catch escapers, but your explanation's prob the better one.

It's actually dark, those lines just mark the borders so you can tell North Korea is more than that blip.

on that note what is the thing on the bottom left!?

I thought Kim had stationed all his army along the coast with flashlights to catch escapers, but your explanation's prob the better one.

How could his people swim? They probably aren't fed enough to keep up a brisk walk.

About damn time.

Forgive me for my cynicism, but if the other option is a standoff with an unstable and insane Kim Jong Il holding the nuclear trump card in his hand, I figure less people will die this way.

Sorry if it bothers the weak stomached amongst you, but I'd rather starve North Korea than fight it out. Less people will die. =/

When is the last time the N. Koreans had a warm, well-fed winter?

When is the last time the N. Koreans had a warm, well-fed winter?

are you thinking 3 ghosts will visit the dear leader on Christmas eve and have him change his heart thus saving Christmas?

on that note what is the thing on the bottom left!?
You mean the white blob out in the ocean sww of Seoul?
No idea. There's no island there, afaik.
Maybe it's an oil platform or something.

You mean the white blob out in the ocean sww of Seoul?
No idea. There's no island there, afaik.
Maybe it's an oil platform or something.

no the thing in the bottom left corner but yeah looks a tad too big for an oil rig maybe a carrier fleet?

are you thinking 3 ghosts will visit the dear leader on Christmas eve and have him change his heart thus saving Christmas?

I don't know what a sanction is, but I think it suffocates a nation's economy... What will sanctions do to a country who's economy consists of drug smuggling and counterfeiting money?

no the thing in the bottom left corner but yeah looks a tad too big for an oil rig maybe a carrier fleet?

*shrugs*
no idea.
Part of the sattelite that took the pic?
Thumbprint of the guy who developed it?
a slithy tove?

I don't know what a sanction is, but I think it suffocates a nation's economy... What will sanctions do to a country who's economy consists of drug smuggling and counterfeiting money?

well they will stop North Korea from importing goods and exporting whatever goods they legally still sell so no more missiles and the such

They also have the affect of making a nation feel alienated (kind of like the silent treatment in school)

and on that note: dear leader giving his people Christmas dinner? Bah humbug!

Sorry if it bothers the weak stomached amongst you, but I'd rather starve North Korea than fight it out. Less people will die. =/

Agreed.

Personally, I'd like the U.S. to just stop paying attention to N. Korea altogether. China and South Korea won't even enforce the sanctions that the UN approved (and China voted for), so if they don't mind a nuclear-armed madman on their border, why should we give a fuck?

We simply remind them that the slightest hint of aggression against us turns their country into a glass parking-lot, and then let them go on their merry way.

Eventually, either Korea will unify, or China will gain some territory, and either way it will cost millions of lives.

I see NO reason for any of those lives to be American, not when the people who are most at risk from this dictator are the ones who refuse to do anything about the fucking problem.

Millions of people have already died of starvation over the years in the DPRK, this is nothing new.

Starving them has never worked in the past, the rank-and-file blame it on the americans and the south koreans rather than on the kim government.

We should stop providing NK with food altogether. Sure, millions will suffer now, but millions more will be saved from that brutality by not being born.

We should stop providing NK with food altogether. Sure, millions will suffer now, but millions more will be saved from that brutality by not being born.

The money we save on food can be used to sterilize sub-saharan africa with mustard gas. :rolleyes:

The money we save on food can be used to sterilize sub-saharan africa with mustard gas. :rolleyes:
AIDS would be more cost effective.

When you are saving lives, you should first look at your wallet. That's what BarryGoldwater told me.

AIDS would be more cost effective.

When you are saving lives, you should first look at your wallet. That's what BarryGoldwater told me.

The proposal to starve them isnt 'saving lives' though, it is genocide.

The proposal to starve them isnt 'saving lives' though, it is genocide.
Killing Jews would be genocide. Koreans is perfectly acceptable.

Killing Jews would be genocide. Koreans is perfectly acceptable.

No, killing jews would be a holocaust, killing gentiles is genocide.


If killing the rwandans or the armenians can count as genocide, surely killing koreans can.