NationStates Jolt Archive

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2569969

They've counted at least twenty separate tremors at this point -- including a magnitude 6.3 -- causing power outages, landslides, and minor damage on Oahu and other islands.

You okay, JuNii?

(PS: Thanks to whoever fixed the title!)

:eek:

*looks for Junii*

The earthquake hit cuz someone didn't sacrifice themselves to the gawds...! :eek:

In the middle of a plate?

*reads article*

In the middle of a plate?

*reads article*

I thought Hawai'i was on the boundries of two plates, and thats what causes the volcanoes.


I hope Junii isn't hurt, he hasn't been on in a while...

I thought Hawai'i was on the boundries of two plates, and thats what causes the volcanoes.


I hope Junii isn't hurt, he hasn't been on in a while...

Nah, Hawaii is over a hot spot, sort of a hole in the plate, but not really a fault.

P.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraplate_earthquakes

Nah, Hawaii is over a hot spot, sort of a hole in the plate, but not really a fault.

Maybe the volcanoes themselves caused the quakes, like a major caldera collapse or something?

Maybe the volcanoes themselves caused the quakes, like a major caldera collapse or something?

I would think it could me Mauna Kea...it has been dormant for a while now

Maybe the volcanoes themselves caused the quakes, like a major caldera collapse or something?

Can that get to 6.3? If it did, wouldn't there be, I dunno, landslides or a cloud of debris from a hugh mass of rock falling?

Also "the quake occurred at 7:07 a.m. local time, 10 miles north-northwest of Kailua Kona, a town on the west coast of the Big Island, "

Isn't that like, out in the ocean? Or maybe another island...

I would think it could me Mauna Kea...it has been dormant for a while now

*looks up*

Woah. That thing is huge...I wouldn't want to be around that falling...

Also "the quake occurred at 7:07 a.m. local time, 10 miles north-northwest of Kailua Kona, a town on the west coast of the Big Island, "

Isn't that like, out in the ocean? Or maybe another island...

probably? though there are all sorts of underwater volcanoes and such.

Can that get to 6.3? If it did, wouldn't there be, I dunno, landslides or a cloud of debris from a hugh mass of rock falling?

Also "the quake occurred at 7:07 a.m. local time, 10 miles north-northwest of Kailua Kona, a town on the west coast of the Big Island, "

Isn't that like, out in the ocean? Or maybe another island...

I don't know, are there any faults in the area? You don't need a bigass tectonic plate to cause an earthquake, even local faults can be a major problem.

"Blakeman said there was no risk of a Pacific-wide tsunami, but a possibility of significant wave activity in Hawaii..."

workers are expected to call in 'surfing' in record numbers in the aftermath.

In the middle of a plate?

*reads article*

Totally feasible. Probably like the New Madrid Fault, you know the one responsible for the most powerful earthquake in the lower 48 states...The one about 100 miles from me :eek: I feel earthquakes at random times. Heck over the summer we had a 4. something hit. I thought someone hit my house or something. But anyways. Quakes and Faults in the middle of a plate are usually due to rifting, the weaking of a plate in a spot, and the plate then rubs together in that spot.

Edit- I meant to also mention, for most of us in the US, the new madrid fault is more important than the San andreas, juan de fuca, or the pacific plate faults. However, its often times over looked :(

Totally feasible. Probably like the New Madrid Fault, you know the one responsible for the most powerful earthquake in the lower 48 states...The one about 100 miles from me :eek: I feel earthquakes at random times. Heck over the summer we had a 4. something hit. I thought someone hit my house or something. But anyways. Quakes and Faults in the middle of a plate are usually due to rifting, the weaking of a plate in a spot, and the plate then rubs together in that spot.

Edit- I meant to also mention, for most of us in the US, the new madrid fault is more important than the San andreas, juan de fuca, or the pacific plate faults. However, its often times over looked :(

Ja, ja, I know, it's just a bit more unlikely.

Ja, ja, I know, it's just a bit more unlikely.

its the second most active fault in the lower 48 i think. Did you know we have a 100% chance of having a 6-7.0 quake by 2040...that would be devastating to the midwest

It wuz them North Koreans at it again! I known it all along!

Totally feasible. Probably like the New Madrid Fault, you know the one responsible for the most powerful earthquake in the lower 48 states...The one about 100 miles from me :eek: I feel earthquakes at random times. Heck over the summer we had a 4. something hit. I thought someone hit my house or something. But anyways. Quakes and Faults in the middle of a plate are usually due to rifting, the weaking of a plate in a spot, and the plate then rubs together in that spot.

Edit- I meant to also mention, for most of us in the US, the new madrid fault is more important than the San andreas, juan de fuca, or the pacific plate faults. However, its often times over looked :(

I know exactly what you mean -- too few people know about it, considering its size. Hell, the last time it snapped (early 1800s?) it changed the course of the Mississippi River, made lightning shoot out of the ground, and rang church bells in Boston.

Boston! And it's in what, Missouri?

:eek:

I know exactly what you mean -- too few people know about it, considering its size. Hell, the last time it snapped (early 1800s?) it changed the course of the Mississippi River, made lightning shoot out of the ground, and rang church bells in Boston.

did it also wake up cthulu?

its the second most active fault in the lower 48 i think. Did you know we have a 100% chance of having a 6-7.0 quake by 2040...that would be devastating to the midwest

I meant one by Hawaii.

Also, 90%.

did it also wake up cthulu?

Honestly, it shot flames, lightning, sand plumes etc, out of the ground. Not to mention it swallowed up trees, made new lakes, and so much more.

I meant one by Hawaii.

oh ok.

Honestly, it shot flames, lightning, sand plumes etc, out of the ground. Not to mention it swallowed up trees, made new lakes, and so much more.

Someone is going to have to explain the mechanics of electricity going away from the ground to me.

Someone is going to have to explain the mechanics of electricity going away from the ground to me.

That goes for me too.

Someone is going to have to explain the mechanics of electricity going away from the ground to me.

The ground was able to build up so much of a static charge, that it was lightning in reverse.

Global Warming:eek:

The ground was able to build up so much of a static charge, that it was lightning in reverse.

So...It zapped clouds passing by? Can you build a static charge rubbing rocks together?

Wouldn't it come back down or something?

The ground was able to build up so much of a static charge, that it was lightning in reverse.

I thought electricity always tried to get to the ground. So it went from the ground......to the ground:confused:

I thought electricity always tried to get to the ground. So it went from the ground......to the ground:confused:

I mean, I've heard of intra-cloud stuff...If it was from ground to ground, it wouldn't shoot up, it'd just go through the ground, or along the surface maybe.

May have been mineral deposit throwing massive sparks that was mistaken for lightning---I know there is type of lightning in the upper atmosphere that goes up...but that is not on poic lightning does not start on the ground.

Could have been some type of St Elmos Fire too, again mistaken for lightning.

I thought electricity always tried to get to the ground. So it went from the ground......to the ground:confused:

Electricity tries to balance out, positive goes to negative, and negative goes to positive. That's how normal lightning works. There's a difference in charge between the ground and the atmosphere. The lightning is not just electricity going down, but also going up. This is the exact same scenario.

A positive streamer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_streamer) maybe?

So...It zapped clouds passing by?
In laymans terms (which are the kind I use, because I'm a layman) yes.

Can you build a static charge rubbing rocks together?
Absolutely. You'd need a lot of rock to rub against each other, but, the New Madrid fault did just that.

Wouldn't it come back down or something?

Charges would equal out. I'd imagine the situation was aided by atmospheric conditions that were conducive to lightning, just, this time the excessive charge built up in the ground, rather than in the atmosphere.

The ground was able to build up so much of a static charge, that it was lightning in reverse.
Not possible by modern physics, and our current understanding of electricity.
If it was then land slide would electrocute people, running through sand would mean certain death.

EDIT--
It isnt possible because the gound wont build up a charge because it is grounded(hence the term) the lectricity would never build up but continually disapate. Not possible.

Not possible by modern physics, and our current understanding of electricity.
If it was then land slide would electrocute people, running through sand would mean certain death.

EDIT--
It isnt possible because the gound wont build up a charge because it is grounded(hence the term) the lectricity would never build up but continually disapate. Not possible.

You need a LOT of rock movement.

Beyond that, the ground can hold a charge.

Ok, this is tedious.
It isnt possible--unless the fault over charged the whole planet--get it!!! the whole planet.

Its the ground.

Second you are not giving a first hand account so dont talk like you are.

Third ignoring physics over and over just because you think it sounds cool is absurd.

It defies the laws of physics I dont care how big the rocks are --if they are on the ground they are not shooting electricity into the sky.

I offered two completely credible and possible ways it could happen--you insisting that way before you were born physical laws as they are known today did not apply because "it was really big rocks" is the simply infantile.

...this time the excessive charge built up in the ground..

But that's it though...The ground is...grounded.

Ok, this is tedious.
It isnt possible--unless the fault over charged the whole planet--get it!!! the whole planet.

No, it wouldn't. Local charges are possible, because of the manner in which the planet's geology.

Second you are not giving a first hand account so dont talk like you are.
I'm not talking like I'm giving a first hand account.

Third ignoring physics over and over just because you think it sounds cool is absurd.
I'm not ignoring physics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_streamer

I'm saying that it's just like a normal lightning strike.

It defies the laws of physics I dont care how big the rocks are --if they are on the ground they are not shooting electricity into the sky.
The size of the rocks doesn't matter, it's how much rock is moved, and rubbed against other rock, that can cause the static charge to build up in the ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning

This is what I'm arguing happened, normal, average, everyday lightning, and that because of a charge that was built up by the movement of rocks against each other, there was an electrostatic charge that attracted the lightning into the crack or whatever. That's all, nothing fanciful, just the normal, how it always happens, lightning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_streamer

I'm saying that it's just like a normal lightning strike.

*cough*

A positive streamer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_streamer) maybe?

A positive streamer is a part of normal cloud to ground lightning, caused by the biuld up in the cloud. It connects to the step ladder and the the charge runs down to the ground.

Like i said tedious.
You are indeed ignoring physics.

A positive streamer is not visible until the negative strike--positive lightning happens several 10s of kilometers above the clouds.

A positive streamer can be stood in the middle of and not noticed if there is no negative downward discharge.

If indeed it was a positive streamer(which is not what you were saying happened--you were saying lightning shot from the ground which it CANNOT DO) it would have been largerly ignored by what would beeen a much more massive and VISIBLE negative strike going to the ground.

Next when the circut connects which is what a lightning strike is, a massive circut, it goes DOWN.

A single positive streamer or even a hand ful which do not link to negative strike but but are illuminated by a localized negative strike would be dwarfed by the negative and look no different then regular lightning and would be shooting down---down like all electricity below 5km tries to do--find the ground.

It wasnt positive lighning, it wasnt lightning shooting up--because that doesnt happen--no matter how much you want it to.

Like i said tedious.
You are indeed ignoring physics.

A positive streamer is not visible until the negative strike--positive lightning happens several 10s of kilometers above the clouds.

Actually, they are visible sometimes

Actually, they are visible sometimes

I know--like I said "When illuminated by a negative strike" if there is no negative they are not visible--unless the rest of you can see positive ions and i am missing out.

I know--like I said "When illuminated by a negative strike" if there is no negative they are not visible--unless the rest of you can see positive ions and i am missing out.

How would you illuminate a streamer? If anything, wouldn't it look dimmer?

Uh... sorry to intude, but is this really relevant? You'd think there are more important things to worry about...

Nah, Hawaii is over a hot spot, sort of a hole in the plate, but not really a fault.

P.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraplate_earthquakes

Sort of. Hot spots drift under the plates and expand/melt them from below. The heat wells the plate above it upward as it passes below then after it passes thae part of the plate contracts as it cools. This is how coral atolls are formed and why the atolls occur in straightish lines of eachother. The coral atolls are formed on the caulderas of ex-volcanoes that have slowly sank under the water after the hot spot passed under. The coral deposits on the bits of the mountain that are in the shallow water as it slowly sinks into the sea. Once the mountain is under water the coral only can build on itself.

Uh... sorry to intude, but is this really relevant?

Hawaii earthquake -> intraplate earthquakes -> New Madrid earthquakes -> Lightning from New Madrid Earthquakes.

I've seen worse.

How would you illuminate a streamer? If anything, wouldn't it look dimmer?

...A positive streamer is never visible until a negative charge is introduced...this is typically accomplished by the lightning strike occuring because of another nearby positive streamer.

Positive streamers on there own will never just light up and become plasma.

Sort of. Hot spots drift under the plates and expand/melt them from below. The heat wells the plate above it upward as it passes below then after it passes thae part of the plate contracts as it cools. This is how coral atolls are formed and why the atolls occur in straightish lines of eachother. The coral atolls are formed on the caulderas of ex-volcanoes that have slowly sank under the water after the hot spot passed under. The coral deposits on the bits of the mountain that are in the shallow water as it slowly sinks into the sea. Once the mountain is under water the coral only can build on itself.

The plate drifts over the hot spot...

Uh... sorry to intude, but is this really relevant? You'd think there are more important things to worry about...

Like wtf happened to Junii?

Anyone seen him yet?

...A positive streamer is never visible until a negative charge is introduced...this is typically accomplished by the lightning strike occuring because of another nearby positive streamer.

Positive streamers on there own will never just light up and become plasma.

A positive streamer is the bit of a lightning bolt that rises from the ground before the lightning strikes, often determining the path of the cloud-to-ground lightning. It is essentially composed of a column of ionized air formed by the flow of electrons down into the ground target.

Sounds like it already is plasma.


Where Tactical Grace anyways? He might know better than us.

Like wtf happened to Junii?

Anyone seen him yet?

What good would worrying do? We could send a search party if you want?

Ok, this is tedious.
It isnt possible--unless the fault over charged the whole planet--get it!!! the whole planet.

Its the ground.


Well, no. You're assuming that the ground has zero resistance. The reason why stuff can be grounded is that the ground offers a very large resorvoir with likely smaller resistance than anything else, and in the most cases doesn't hold any charge.

Now, the ground, has a quite a large resistance, which in this case means it takes TIME for charges to even out. Now, imagine a whole lot of ground being charged at once. While the charges on the borders of the area would likely just go to the uncharged nearby rock, but the ones in the center might find air to be a more "desirable" target, esp if there is a sufficient negative charge above it.


Third ignoring physics over and over just because you think it sounds cool is absurd.

It defies the laws of physics I dont care how big the rocks are --if they are on the ground they are not shooting electricity into the sky.
A physics major speaking here. I'm in no way advocating that it happened, as I actually have no idea. Actually, come to think of it, i find it very unlikely, as if a static charge was created, there'd be an equal charge of opposite kind on the ground very close to it, and the lightning, if any, would likely occur between these two. My point here is that you said it was physically impossible which it very much is not, just very unlikely. The concept of "ground", is not a physical law by any stretch of imagination, but just a very gross simplification, based on a whole bunch of assumptions of which some might not be true here, that is usually used not because it is always right but because in most situations it just works. Kinda like friction.

*looks up*

Woah. That thing is huge...I wouldn't want to be around that falling...

Including the part of Mauna Kea that's underwater, it's taller than Mount Everest. *nod*

Hawaii earthquake -> intraplate earthquakes -> New Madrid earthquakes -> Lightning from New Madrid Earthquakes.

I've seen worse.
Me too, this is spot for most threads.

Me too, this is spot for most threads.

Don't worry, I want to make it so we can work religion & spirituality, as well as economics, into this one.

The plate drifts over the hot spot...

Relative to what?

Relative to what?

Hell if I know. But the plates are the moving part's no? The lithosphere and whatnot. The hot spot is under that.

What good would worrying do? We could send a search party if you want?

Only if they are trained professionals and not volunteers. Never send volunteers out into a disaster area. They might be cannibals. A person never needs to learn THAT lesson twice!

Including the part of Mauna Kea that's underwater, it's taller than Mount Everest. *nod*

include the part that has sunk into the sea bed because of its own weight, and it is even more impressive.

Hell if I know. But the plates are the moving part's no? The lithosphere and whatnot. The hot spot is under that.

The hotspot is in the liquid bit above the core and below the plates. I was wondering how you pinned the liquid down as a fixed location.

include the part that has sunk into the sea bed because of its own weight, and it is even more impressive.


But not if you include the himalyas as small upswelling from the bigger upswelling out of the sea called Asia.

:eek:

The hotspot is in the liquid bit above the core and below the plates. I was wondering how you pinned the liquid down as a fixed location.

Well, The archipelago is growing opposite to the plate's motion, right? Isn't the plate moving?

Well, The archipelago is growing opposite to the plate's motion, right? Isn't the plate moving?

According to plate tektonics it is. Also the relatively thin solid surface (all plates considered as a whole) is rotating at a different rate than the solid core. the liquid between the two would have slippage.

thanks for the concern guys, :) I'm ok, and doing fine.

It was a series of earthquakes and aftershots (past the 20 count a while back), ranging from 6.3 on down. the latest one was about 20 mins ago from this post time.

things are mostly shook up on the other islands, but the big Island got the worst of it. at least one hospital evacuated, some houses collapsed and there have been some reports of Steam coming out of some cracks in some of the small towns there. Emergency services are checking it out.

POWER was out for all of the islands... well except kauai, the farthest non-privately own island... but as of now, the power is comming back on for the other Islands. Most of Maui, Oahu and Big Island are still out.

the first quake happened at 7:08 Hawaii time and the power was knocked out during another shake at 7:12

On a personal note, the Hospital I'm at is on Emergency procedures now, which is why I was off line for so long. I then went home to check on things there and now I'm back.

thanks for the concern guys, :) I'm ok, and doing fine.
Good to hear it. :)

thanks for the concern guys, :) I'm ok, and doing fine.

It was a series of earthquakes and aftershots (past the 20 count a while back), ranging from 6.3 on down. the latest one was about 20 mins ago from this post time.

things are mostly shook up on the other islands, but the big Island got the worst of it. at least one hospital evacuated, some houses collapsed and there have been some reports of Steam coming out of some cracks in some of the small towns there. Emergency services are checking it out.

POWER was out for all of the islands... well except kauai, the farthest non-privately own island... but as of now, the power is comming back on for the other Islands. Most of Maui, Oahu and Big Island are still out.

the first quake happened at 7:08 Hawaii time and the power was knocked out during another shake at 7:12

On a personal note, the Hospital I'm at is on Emergency procedures now, which is why I was off line for so long. I then went home to check on things there and now I'm back.

Yay, Docito's alive!

According to plate tektonics it is. Also the relatively thin solid surface (all plates considered as a whole) is rotating at a different rate than the solid core. the liquid between the two would have slippage.

Aye. But I figure the overall effect of the archipelago is caused more by the Pacific plate moving over a relatively stationary spot.

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Glad you're ok. :)

It's a sign of how much long I've been here that the first thing I thought when I heard the news was 'I hope JuNii is ok.' :p

Glad you're ok. :)

It's a sign of how much long I've been here that the first thing I thought when I heard the news was 'I hope JuNii is ok.' :p

and I was really shocked to see how many people also posted that....






*sniff* you like me... you guys really like me... *sniff*

and I was really shocked to see how many people also posted that....






*sniff* you like me... you guys really like me... *sniff*

Yes Ms. Fields, apparently we do like you.:D

How you were doing was my first thought too. I must say. Glad you are okay there.

thanks for the concern guys, :) I'm ok, and doing fine.

It was a series of earthquakes and aftershots (past the 20 count a while back), ranging from 6.3 on down. the latest one was about 20 mins ago from this post time.

things are mostly shook up on the other islands, but the big Island got the worst of it. at least one hospital evacuated, some houses collapsed and there have been some reports of Steam coming out of some cracks in some of the small towns there. Emergency services are checking it out.

POWER was out for all of the islands... well except kauai, the farthest non-privately own island... but as of now, the power is comming back on for the other Islands. Most of Maui, Oahu and Big Island are still out.

the first quake happened at 7:08 Hawaii time and the power was knocked out during another shake at 7:12

On a personal note, the Hospital I'm at is on Emergency procedures now, which is why I was off line for so long. I then went home to check on things there and now I'm back.
glad to see you're okay, friend.

I kinda figured that power would be out for alot of the islands, so it would take a while for you to get online. Forgot you work in a hospital...

but yes. glad you're alright.

We need an earthquake in southern Ontario... you know, to shake things up a bit.

*sniff* you like me... you guys really like me... *sniff*

Yup.

*immediately goes back to arbitrary physics discussion*

Does anyone else find it funny that when someone makes a thread in general expressing concern for another generalite, it automatically gets sidetracked into a debate about whether lightening can strike up?

heh... they just closed the hospital to visitors.

heh... they just closed the hospital to visitors.
Are there many casulties?

And is your home alright?

Was it scary? I've never been in an earthquake before. The most frightening natural thing we get in this country is John Prescott. :p

Yup.

*immediately goes back to arbitrary physics discussion*

Does anyone else find it funny that when someone makes a thread in general expressing concern for another generalite, it automatically gets sidetracked into a debate about whether lightening can strike up?

Isn't that going back to a meta-physics discussion?

I mean, I've heard of intra-cloud stuff...If it was from ground to ground, it wouldn't shoot up, it'd just go through the ground, or along the surface maybe.

That's kind of what cloud-to-ground lightning is, a bolt from the clouds meets up with a bolt that comes from the ground and they meet up.

Are there many casulties?

And is your home alright?

Was it scary? I've never been in an earthquake before. The most frightening natural thing we get in this country is John Prescott. :p
the earthquake itself was a RUSH! granted had it been more powerful, I would've been panicking... :p

my home is standing... tho this will give me the exscuse to clean out my fridge... :p

power is out and not expected to be restored till late tonight... so X(

the hospital is closed most likely because it's a drain on resources. and since they didn't finish putting in our two NEW mega tanks of emergency fuel...

That's kind of what cloud-to-ground lightning is, a bolt from the clouds meets up with a bolt that comes from the ground and they meet up.

Ja, ja, positive streamer, we've gotten there, the charges flow down though.

Does anyone have any idea what caused it? Fault slip, landslide, caldera collapse?
????

Like wtf happened to Junii?

Anyone seen him yet?

Never mind.

They're talking about power outages on CNN, he probably can't get online.
You make me smile. :)

They're talking about power outages on CNN, he probably can't get online.

two posts up dude. :p

Does anyone have any idea what caused it? Fault slip, landslide, caldera collapse?
????not yet. probably plate movement... I hope...

They're talking about power outages on CNN, he probably can't get online.*waves*

one of the advantages of working in a hospital... Emergency Generators! :D

two posts up dude. :p

I was hoping for

He's right, I can't get online and post right now.

I was hoping for

Yeah... that would've been better... :D

but... say... Eris... what are they saying on CNN!

6.6
5.8
4.2

the Ricter Scale readings from the first three shakes...

i live on the big island, and power was restored to our place an hour ago or so. from what i hear, my uncles place up in waimea (near the northern tip of the big island) had some pretty major damage. i live in keau'u near the east side, but the quake was huge. its windy today too, so getting the power back up will be a challenge.

i live on the big island, and power was restored to our place an hour ago or so. from what i hear, my uncles place up in waimea (near the northern tip of the big island) had some pretty major damage. i live in keau'u near the east side, but the quake was huge. its windy today too, so getting the power back up will be a challenge.

Hey, nice to hear from another ISLANDER!

any recent aftershocks?

Ive seen ball lightning and it kind of rolled lazily uphill for awhile jumped onto a metal fence and raced sideways for about 30 yards then hopped off the fence and moseyed uphill then onto a small conifer and then it extinguished. It did not seem to follow whatever physics you guys say lighning must follow. I think it dropped out of class before it learned as much about lightning as you guys know.

Ive seen ball lightning and it kind of rolled lazily uphill for awhile jumped onto a metal fence and raced sideways for about 30 yards then hopped off the fence and moseyed uphill then onto a small conifer and then it extinguished. It did not seem to follow whatever physics you guys say lighning must follow. I think it dropped out of class before it learned as much about lightning as you guys know.

Ball lightening isn't regular lightening. Its a mass of super-heated matter called plasma, it shouldn't behave like any normal electrical anomoly.

I hope youre ok Juni:eek:

I hope youre ok Juni :eek:

shaken, stirred, but ok.

Another kid just called the radio station, asking if School is cancelled tomorrow! :D

Another kid just called the radio station, asking if School is cancelled tomorrow! :D

Ya think!?

Ball lightening isn't regular lightening. Its a mass of super-heated matter called plasma, it shouldn't behave like any normal electrical anomoly.

Possibly plasma. No one really knows what the hell it is.

Another kid just called the radio station, asking if School is cancelled tomorrow! :D

just tell them yes. There will always be school. forever and ever.

actually, my dad just told me that the epicenter was 4 miles away from the hotel we stayed at

shaken, stirred, but ok.

yay! i prefer shaken, not stirred;)

We need an earthquake in southern Ontario... you know, to shake things up a bit.

I've said the same thing about Washington State for years......:D

naw there were some small ones a few minutes after the earthquake but thats it

i live on the big island, and power was restored to our place an hour ago or so. from what i hear, my uncles place up in waimea (near the northern tip of the big island) had some pretty major damage. i live in keau'u near the east side, but the quake was huge. its windy today too, so getting the power back up will be a challenge.

glad to see you're okay...hope your family and friends are too.

just tell them yes. There will always be school. forever and ever.

actually, my dad just told me that the epicenter was 4 miles away from the hotel we stayed at
LOL... the Govenor was there... so she had hands on information about the crisis...

LOL... the Govenor was there... so she had hands on information about the crisis...

haha...I still say crush the little bastards hopes about having school canceled (does Hawaii ever really have a reason to cancel normally? Besides lava?)

haha...I still say crush the little bastards hopes about having school canceled (does Hawaii ever really have a reason to cancel normally? Besides lava?)

*muffled becuase he's now buried underground*

flooding... lava... tsunami... Hurricanes...

and their hopes were crushed as the radio just announced that yes... all schools are open, the only POSSIBLE execption is the big island... which will be inspected today.

*muffled becuase he's now buried underground*

flooding... lava... tsunami... Hurricanes...

and their hopes were crushed as the radio just announced that yes... all schools are open, the only POSSIBLE execption is the big island... which will be inspected today.

I think I would burst out laughing if I actually heard "Schools will be closed today due to lava"...but then, I guess it sounds equally rediculous to hear "Schools will be closed today due to snow"

forgot you guys get a good number of hurricanes out there

Ball lightening isn't regular lightening. Its a mass of super-heated matter called plasma, it shouldn't behave like any normal electrical anomoly.

What in particular makes you think it is plasma? And whence the plasma if not from electrical discharge? And are you trying to deny the existance of plasma in that kind of "normal" lightning which does play by your particular set of rules regarding the behavior of electron transfer?

*muffled becuase he's now buried underground*

flooding... lava... tsunami... Hurricanes...

and their hopes were crushed as the radio just announced that yes... all schools are open, the only POSSIBLE execption is the big island... which will be inspected today.

You forgot the most insidious ongoing disaster in Hawaii, tourism.:D

You forgot the most insidious ongoing disaster in Hawaii, tourism.:D

fortunatly, we've manage to confine them to places like Waikiki, Haunama Bay, North Shore, Kona, Lahaina... etc...


but there are times when then do break conatinment.... :D

fortunatly, we've manage to confine them to places like Waikiki, Haunama Bay, North Shore, Kona, Lahaina... etc...


but there are times when then do break conatinment.... :D

What happens then? Do you spray for them or something?

What happens then? Do you spray for them or something?

I Leave that to others better suited for dealing with them... the Hawaii Tourism Commission... :D

Woah... over 30 aftershocks reported so far... reported from a live feed from the Hawaii Civil Defense Headquarters.

I Leave that to others better suited for dealing with them... the Hawaii Tourism Commission... :D

Those people sound too powerful and scary to cross!

Grrr... almost 12 hours without power! I hate HECO. I didn't feel the quake, but I sure noticed when my fans went away and all the muggy rainy heat came bearing down on my bedroom.

I'm just glad I can get to the food in my fridge again. Glad to hear you're okay, too JuNii.

The power outage on Oahu wasn't from the quake itself, it was from safety equipment shutting down like it should. HECO's restoration procedures suck and power restoration was done in pockets, one at a time.

Grrr... almost 12 hours without power! I hate HECO. I didn't feel the quake, but I sure noticed when my fans went away and all the muggy rainy heat came bearing down on my bedroom.

I'm just glad I can get to the food in my fridge again. Glad to hear you're okay, too JuNii.

at least you got power... :(

and hows your family and friends?

The power outage on Oahu wasn't from the quake itself, it was from safety equipment shutting down like it should. HECO's restoration procedures suck and power restoration was done in pockets, one at a time.

considering what might happen if the grids get overloaded? I would rather wait the 12+ hours than have a grid blow and be out of power for days.

at least you got power... :(

and hows your family and friends?

True enough. I got power. Like I said, I didn't even feel it here on Red Hill. I didn't even know what had happened until I got hungry, went out in search of food, noticed traffic lights were out and turned on the radio in my car. I had assumed the outage was due to the storm.

My aunt on the Big Island is doing well, too. She's near Mountain View, and while I haven't been able to talk to her, she talked to my parents and I talked to them.

considering what might happen if the grids get overloaded? I would rather wait the 12+ hours than have a grid blow and be out of power for days.

Restoring power to the grid won't overload it -- only customers (the load) will do that, and if the turbines are brought up in a controlled manner, it'll be fine. Trust me, I'm an electrician and I've parallelled sources more times than I care to remember. :)

My problem with HECO is that they focused all their resources on one generator at a time, in series, rather than all of them in parallel.

True enough. I got power. Like I said, I didn't even feel it here on Red Hill. I didn't even know what had happened until I got hungry, went out in search of food, noticed traffic lights were out and turned on the radio in my car. I had assumed the outage was due to the storm.

My aunt on the Big Island is doing well, too. She's near Mountain View, and while I haven't been able to talk to her, she talked to my parents and I talked to them.
I was in my office... it's near the service road so when it started I thought
"Meh, heavy truck"

then...

"Big heavy tuck..."


"Big, Long, Heavy... oh FUCK!!!!" :eek:

then the power got cut as all non-essential areas went down while the hospital switched over to it's generator...