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I only wanted responses from English people, about whether nudity should be legal in ENGLAND. For those who don't know, legal basically means "allowed by law" and illegal means "against the law". Please read this post before responding:

Should nudity be legal? Please read before replying...

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Bearing in mine that there are many things that offend people (religion being a major one to people of certain religions - eg. the statement that "Christ is the Son of God" being offensive to muslims and the statement that "Jesus is a mere prophet" being offensive to Christians... etc etc etc) so something being offensive is not really a great reason to ban it (otherwise virtually everything would be banned), bearing in mind the fact that it doesn't HARM people (it simply offends them), and bearing in mind the fact that IF it shocks people, it;s usually those people who have been brought up to be ashamed of their God-given bodies, and it's only temporary shock, and bearing in mind the fact that Adam and Eve were naked at first and neither they nor God had any problem with it UNTIL THEY SINNED (and bearing in mind the fact that when they tried to cover themselves, they only used leaves, which would not cover them properly at all and still left Eve topless, and bearing in mind that "There is an ambiguity in the original Hebrew text over the word translated here as naked. It may be: eromim which means to be naked, without clothes, or
arumim which means the uncovering of deceptions [and that] Genesis and the rest of the Torah was written using only consonants, with no letters or signs indicating vowels. Thus "eromim" and "arumim" appear the same in the Hebrew text, as rmm." [ http://www.religioustolerance.org/nu_bibl.htm ] so therefore when it's mentioned that Adam and Eve try to hide their "nudity" (as translated from the Hebrew "rmm"), the original Hebrew could have just as easily have been translated to say that Adam and Eve try to hide their deception (as translated from the same Hebrew "rmm"), which would make more sense as it would not suggest that nudity is fine at first but later a bad thing, and bearing in mind the following three potential interpretations of "Genesis 3:10-11: God called for Adam, who replied: "I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself." God answered: "Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"":

1. Some interpret that passages as implying that Adam and Eve had once lived a sinless life. But after eating the fruit, their thoughts became selfish. They lost their unconditional, pure love for each other and began to look upon their partner as sex objects -- as a body to exploit in order to satisfy their sexual appetite. Their clothing might have been intended to protect themselves from the other.

2. Some suggest that the act of covering of their body was a metaphor. It symbolized their real need to try to hide their sin from God.

3. Some feel that Adam and Eve were so embarrassed by their nudity that they had to create clothes to hide their genitals. However, that interpretation seems unlikely, because Adam and Eve would have been used to seeing each other naked continually since Eve was created. They would hardly suddenly become embarrassed in each other's presence.

and bearing in mind the fact that paedophiles attack kids who are wearing clothes, and that if someone is of the mind to sexually attack a kid they are going to do it (if they get the chance and are not prevented or stopped) regardless of whether the kid is wearing clothes or not, so there is no more likelihood of a pervert attacking a nude kid than a clothed kid, and bearing in mind that those who go to nudist clubs have often made remarks along the lines of "it teaches kids not to be ashamed of their bodies" and so encourages high self-esteem, and bearing in mind taht we don't cover babies up and that we are created naked by God (who, if He had a problem with it, would almost certainly have us born clothed as it is not beyond his power),

should nudity be legal?

I'm not from England, but I spent too much time typing this post in the other thread before I saw the change to not post it.

I think it should be legal in people's homes, but I personally would never want to be naked in front of anyone. I feel horrible enough in a bathing suit in public, there's no need to make myself feel even worse.

And I know that you say that people aren't any more likely to attack naked people than clothed people, but my point is that wouldn't most people feel less secure? I feel insecure enough if my shoulders are exposed, I know that I would panic if I were naked in front of anyone.

But as long as it's not mandatory or anything like that, I guess it would be fine to legalize it. But I'm not from England, so don't pay attention to me if you would prefer.

I'm not from England, but I spent too much time typing this post in the other thread before I saw the change to not post it.

I think it should be legal in people's homes, but I personally would never want to be naked in front of anyone. I feel horrible enough in a bathing suit in public, there's no need to make myself feel even worse.

And I know that you say that people aren't any more likely to attack naked people than clothed people, but my point is that wouldn't most people feel less secure? I feel insecure enough if my shoulders are exposed, I know that I would panic if I were naked in front of anyone.

But as long as it's not mandatory or anything like that, I guess it would be fine to legalize it. But I'm not from England, so don't pay attention to me if you would prefer.

There's lots of things that are legal but are not mandatory. I simply meant legal, as posted, not legal and mandatory.

There's lots of things that are legal but are not mandatory. I simply meant legal, as posted, not legal and mandatory.
It's already perfectly fine to walk around one's place naked as a wee jaybird. Last I checked... (and saying a thread is for certain people only, will not stop others from posting.)

Why are you only looking for the opinions of England?

all this religion vs nudity reminds me a comment a preacher made

"If God had intended mankind to run around with no clothes on, we would all have been born stark naked"

Why are you only looking for the opinions of England?

because different countries have different "general" views on nudity, and i want a "general" view

I'm English, and as a simple matter of libertarian principle I believe people should have complete freedom in this respect.

Exclusionary threads are never a good idea. They are an open invitation to massive hijacking.

Exclusionary threads are never a good idea. They are an open invitation to massive hijacking.

We're taking this thread to Cuba!



And yay nudity!

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! The question is, do you want your son/daughter to see a nude person, a pedophile at that, walking around and making gestures, or prancing about in their birthday suits and holding balloons/candy? If you think your five year old can tolerate that, fine, don't act surprised if s/he is molested.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! The question is, do you want your son/daughter to see a nude person, a pedophile at that, walking around and making gestures, or prancing about in their birthday suits and holding balloons/candy? If you think your five year old can tolerate that, fine, don't act surprised if s/he is molested.

Hang on, you think seeing naked people will somehow cause a 5 year old to be molested? Did you pass this idea by your brain before you posted it? Or did your jerking knee take control?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! The question is, do you want your son/daughter to see a nude person, a pedophile at that, walking around and making gestures, or prancing about in their birthday suits and holding balloons/candy? If you think your five year old can tolerate that, fine, don't act surprised if s/he is molested.

What are you talking about? I'm sure my son/daughter would be less likely to go off with a naked person then they would with a person fully dressed or in a mickey mouse costume.

You should never be allowed to be nude anywhere in England...not your home, not the beach, not at work, nowhere!


Any other country is fine, but not England.

We're taking this thread to Cuba!
Nudity should not only be legal in Cuba, but obligatory.

England? Well, they're kind of plain, so they may do as they wish, it's not like anyone's going to notice. Plus it gets cold, so they'll be clothed sooner or later.

Even if it were legal, anyone going around outside naked at this time of year should probably be put into a mental institution. Clothes were invented for a reason you know.

FFS the OP seems to be a bit Xenophobic and exclusionary considering how bloody mindedly pro freedom he is about fashion. You go ahead and run naked when and where you please and I will post in threads on NSG when and where I please. Or are arrogant snippy authoritative overbearing rules which do nothing except attempt to control behaviour for no legitimate reason only bad rules when they hamper your eligibility to expose yourself in public but good rules when you write them whenever you attempt to censor anyone outside of your locale from posting in an international forum?

because different countries have different "geneal" views on nudity, and i want a "general" viewDoes this mean that the English view on nudity is different than the Welsh view on nudity?

Does this mean that the English view on nudity is different than the Welsh view on nudity?

Not always. Some English heads are also turned by a well sheared sheep.

Not always. Some English heads are also turned by a well sheared sheep.

So...instead of discussing people in England going around naked, maybe we should be discussing the fact that every day, millions of sheep walk around nude encouraging these pervs?

I am american, and i think that nudity should only be allowed if no one else within sight is a virgin of the opposite gender.

man:are you a virgin ma'me?
woman: *whacks with purse*

I am English. Therefore my opinion counts more than the rest of you. :cool:

I should firstly point out that I voted no without realising that there was a 'yes, in your home' option (it hadn't occured to me that anyone would want to ban nudity even when you're on your own).

Secondly, I didn't vote for the straight 'yes' option because I have no doubt that the kind of people who would decide to enjoy this new freedom are exactly the kind I would have no desire to see naked.

I'm very sorry to tell all the poor, deprived geeks who voted yes that legal public nudity wouldn't mean naked hot chicks all around, nor would it increase your chances of getting any; instead, it would inevitably mean having to sit next to the 90 year old granny with suspect medical issues on the bus.

I am English. Therefore my opinion counts more than the rest of you. :cool:

I should firstly point out that I voted no without realising that there was a 'yes, in your home' option (it hadn't occured to me that anyone would want to ban nudity even when you're on your own).

Secondly, I didn't vote for the straight 'yes' option because I have no doubt that the kind of people who would decide to enjoy this new freedom are exactly the kind I would have no desire to see naked.

I'm very sorry to tell all the poor, deprived geeks who voted yes that legal public nudity wouldn't mean naked hot chicks all around, nor would it increase your chances of getting any; instead, it would inevitably mean having to sit next to the 90 year old granny with suspect medical issues on the bus.


one time i was in the hospital with my grandma (she was sick not me) and the nurse thought i was her daughter so i got to help her into a gown!! I saw my grandma naked. I'm scarred for life. Sometimes i wonder why women that old even wear a bra...

I was under the impression it was legal just so long as your nudity didn't cause people to have car accidents.

more men have driver's licenses than women, so therefore, since the man's "area" is underneath the window, no one can see it so no one can get in an accident.

So...instead of discussing people in England going around naked, maybe we should be discussing the fact that every day, millions of sheep walk around nude encouraging these pervs?

The sheep are such cheeky teases!

sheep made my wedding dress. :cool:

So...instead of discussing people in England going around naked, maybe we should be discussing the fact that every day, millions of sheep walk around nude encouraging these pervs?

You're right, this is a disgrace! I say that all sheep in England and Wales be given woolen coats to wear after they have been sheared.

sheep made my wedding dress. :cool:

A wedding dress made of wool... Sounds itchy. I bet you couldn't wait to get out of your wedding dress and not for the normal reason.

But then i will have no overly expensive fluffy coats!

tee hee hee.... someone get on Gabbly!!!

my wedding dress was strapless, and i was sweating so at the reception it fell down!!! my hubby liked it. he kept staring.....

I think nudity should be legal in your own home and garden/yard, as well as in certain parks. I also think both sexes should be allowed to go topless anywhere.

I agree with VH on this. :D Surprise huh?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! The question is, do you want your son/daughter to see a nude person, a pedophile at that, walking around and making gestures, or prancing about in their birthday suits and holding balloons/candy? If you think your five year old can tolerate that, fine, don't act surprised if s/he is molested.

1. Not every nude person is a paedophile. Most aren't Of course some are (perhaps even a lot), but so are a lot of clothed people. Preventing a paedophile from being unclothed isn't going to change their desire to harm kids.

2. Kids are born naked. Unless they've been brought up in a family where they are taught to be ashamed of their body (ahamed of nudity = ashamed of the human body = ashamed of their own body), as I suspect yours have, judging from your comment, they won't be shocked, offended, or upset by nudity, and for those who have been brough up in such an unhealthy way, the effects will be temporary - it's not like the nude person is molesting the kid

3. Nudity does NOT equal molestation. A normal person is no more likely to become a paedophile if they are allowed to be naked, nor is a paedophile any less likely to become a "normal person" if they are forced to wear clothes.

I was under the impression it was legal just so long as your nudity didn't cause people to have car accidents.

if it goes to a jury, then probably yes it is, as the law is technically about it being illegal to be nude if your intention is to outrage public decency (or sumat like that) (i think). however, it often goes to a magistrate, who sees the law as "all nudity is illegal" and finds people guilty.