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"2.62": Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

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I've only just started reading the Qur'an, but unless Allah changed his mind, doesn't that mean that we should be in good with the Muslims? Someone explain this to me.

"2.62": Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

__________ End holy text
I've only just started reading the Qur'an, but unless Allah changed his mind, doesn't that mean that we should be in good with the Muslims? Someone explain this to me.

Yes it does, unfortunately the nutjobs don't seem to read the Q'uran much.

Yes it does, unfortunately the nutjobs don't seem to read the Q'uran much.

Wow. I think I hae a whole new level of respect for the Islamic religion. And a whole new level of dislike for the government of Iran.

Wow. I think I hae a whole new level of respect for the Islamic religion. And a whole new level of dislike for the government of Iran.

and those fringe groups that preach JIHAD and KILL THE INFIDELS.

Shock-fuckedy-horror the Quran/Bible/Book of mormon/Torah/random holy book is full of contradictions which people selectively choose in a flimsy-yet-disappointingly-successful move to back their agenda with the authority of an entire religion. :rolleyes:

Shock-fuckedy-horror the Quran/Bible/Book of mormon/Torah/random holy book is full of contradictions which people selectively choose in a flimsy-yet-disappointingly-successful move to back their agenda with the authority of an entire religion. :rolleyes:exactamundo

Shock-fuckedy-horror the Quran/Bible/Book of mormon/Torah/random holy book is full of contradictions which people selectively choose in a flimsy-yet-disappointingly-successful move to back their agenda with the authority of an entire religion. :rolleyes:

"Give me six lines written by the most honest, virtueus man and I will find in them the words to have him hanged"-man you said that?

"By God, he is not a true believer,
from whose mischief his neighbors do not feel secure."-Mohammed, I think from the last sermon he preached, I dunno about you guys but usama bin laden doesn't give off much of secure vibe...

This is why I think it is time for us to can religion altogether. At the very least, we need to can abrahamic religion, and move to spiritualism, if we can't handle the sobering move to atheism in one step.

Hey! That was cynical idealism :P

It's all still pretty pissy about atheists. So respect it all you want. Don't make you a pillar of tolerance if you do though.

Mind you, tolerance is probably not your aim. You just want to be all 'cool'.

"2.62": Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

__________ End holy text
I've only just started reading the Qur'an, but unless Allah changed his mind, doesn't that mean that we should be in good with the Muslims? Someone explain this to me.

Unfortunately, extremists rarelly read their own holy books, or they twist them beyond all recognition. al-Queda doesn't read the Qu'ran, many American "patriots" are unfamiliar with the Constitution, etc.

"2.62": Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

__________ End holy text
I've only just started reading the Qur'an, but unless Allah changed his mind, doesn't that mean that we should be in good with the Muslims? Someone explain this to me.

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HA! I TOLD you, Coulterites! I told you Islam was kind and gentle at its heart and soul. I just wish I had a copy of the Qur'an, so I could point this out to them.

'Course, religious extremists don't care for this, but then, since when do religious extremists--of ANY religion--bother actually sticking to the tenets of it? I tell you, every Muslim I've personally met--and I work with three--are some of the kindest, gentlest, most tolorant people I've ever met.

It's all still pretty pissy about atheists. So respect it all you want. Don't make you a pillar of tolerance if you do though.

Mind you, tolerance is probably not your aim. You just want to be all 'cool'.

Fuck atheists, I'm a Christian, so this means I'm covered under two religions! How awesome is THAT?

I'm Agnostic, I just figure if I keep my mind open and be a generally good guy then whatever, eh?

I'm Agnostic, I just figure if I keep my mind open and be a generally good guy then whatever, eh?

Then I hope, for your sake, that Christianity is wrong.

Then I hope, for your sake, that Christianity is wrong.

It isn't. But thankfully, most christians are. He'll be fine. :)

It isn't. But thankfully, most christians are. He'll be fine. :)

But what about that verse "I am the way, the truth and the life. The only way to the Father is through me". *or did I missquote?

Originally Posted by Free shepmagans
Then I hope, for your sake, that Christianity is wrong.

Why, I have no beef with god, way I figure it's more than likely here is some sort of supreme power, and son of God or not, Jesus seemed like an alright dude. I just don't put much stock in the bible or anything like that.

Then I hope, for your sake, that Christianity is wrong.

You don't need to hope. Christianity is wrong. Because Judaism is wrong.

Fuck atheists, I'm a Christian, so this means I'm covered under two religions! How awesome is THAT?

You're also covered under athiesm too when you get to the afterlife.

You're also covered under athiesm too when you get to the afterlife.

But you believe in... dissapation or some such right?

But you believe in... dissapation or some such right?

I'm not an athiest.

But I think you're safe from eternal damnation under the athiest 'retirement scheme'.

But you believe in... dissapation or some such right?Ever been unconscious? Death is similar. There's no you, so nothing to worry about.

You don't need to hope. Christianity is wrong. Because Judaism is wrong.

Thank you for telling me this now I can stop wasting my time.

Oh, btw, how do you know?:rolleyes:

Then I hope, for your sake, that Christianity is wrong.
But what about that verse "I am the way, the truth and the life. The only way to the Father is through me". *or did I missquote?
Shock-fuckedy-horror the Quran/Bible/Book of mormon/Torah/random holy book is full of contradictions which people selectively choose in a flimsy-yet-disappointingly-successful move to back their agenda with the authority of an entire religion. :rolleyes:
"Give me six lines written by the most honest, virtueus man and I will find in them the words to have him hanged"

You would be foolish, Free shepmagans, to think that these words only apply to other religions.

"2.62": Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it seems to me that it's saying that anyone, no matter what their religion, who believes in Allah will be saved.
It has enough commas in there to throw up such a confusion.
Which could explain why the Allah zealots can still read this and decide that it's ok to kill all us heathens. 'Cause we don't believe in Allah.

While we on about this:
"Those who follow the Jewish and the Sabi'een, Christians, Magians and Polytheists — Allah will judge them On the Day of Judgement:"
Good ol' religious dogma. Always give at least two interpretations. That way you get to choose how violent you want to be towards the unbelievers.

2:62 - "All who do good, even unbelievers, make Allah happy." Damn! Can't kill them, then!
Wait a minute! Let's read further:
22:17 - "Allah will judge the unbelievers." Woohoo! Let's bring forward their day of judgement and go kill us some Jews and Christians!

But what about that verse "I am the way, the truth and the life. The only way to the Father is through me". *or did I missquote?
In Auckland, NZ that was painted up on a wall in big letters.
Except it said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. The only way to the Father is through ME"
When I first saw it, I thought it meant Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (chronic fatigue syndrome), or ME for short. I remember thinking, "That's nice for the poor sods that have ME. At least they going to get something out it eventually."

"2.62": Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.


Let's see:

I am monotheist. Allah=The All-Powerful God. I do good.

yay! I'm going to Heaven if Allah's policies are enacted!

This is why I think it is time for us to can religion altogether. At the very least, we need to can abrahamic religion, and move to spiritualism, if we can't handle the sobering move to atheism in one step.

Hey! That was cynical idealism :P

i agree take all that religion crap out of here. go cold turkey.

I had an interesting teacher who attended to Religion Culture and Moral knowledge. He had known Kuran very well and believed that people like Budha were prophets without books described in Kuran.

Why, I have no beef with god, way I figure it's more than likely here is some sort of supreme power, and son of God or not, Jesus seemed like an alright dude. I just don't put much stock in the bible or anything like that.

Seconded.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it seems to me that it's saying that anyone, no matter what their religion, who believes in Allah will be saved.
It has enough commas in there to throw up such a confusion.
Which could explain why the Allah zealots can still read this and decide that it's ok to kill all us heathens. 'Cause we don't believe in Allah.

While we on about this:

Good ol' religious dogma. Always give at least two interpretations. That way you get to choose how violent you want to be towards the unbelievers.

2:62 - "All who do good, even unbelievers, make Allah happy." Damn! Can't kill them, then!
Wait a minute! Let's read further:
22:17 - "Allah will judge the unbelievers." Woohoo! Let's bring forward their day of judgement and go kill us some Jews and Christians!

Might I point out that there's no reason to look at "Judge" in a negative way? He could judge you good, and open the gates to heaven.

Might I point out that there's no reason to look at "Judge" in a negative way? He could judge you good, and open the gates to heaven.

True, its not like being a muslim is a guarenteed ticket to heaven either, they get judged too, and if they were dicks then they go to Jahannam(hell).

"2.62": Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

__________ End holy text
I've only just started reading the Qur'an, but unless Allah changed his mind, doesn't that mean that we should be in good with the Muslims? Someone explain this to me.

Muslims are not trying to conquer the Western world and convert it to Islam, whatever the Republicans want you to believe. They're OK with us being Christian and Jews, they're just not ok with what they see as us trying to take away their

The passage you are citing was written in a time when Muslims were conquering territory and building an empire. The law in the Empire was that you could not force people to convert to Islam, and that Jews and Christians do worship the "one true god."

The passage is saying that Muslims who rule are obliged not to treat Jews and Christians as second class citizens. And in much of the middle east Christians do just fine. They're just not allowed to try to convert people. It doesn't mean anything like "they're supposed to like us because we're christian." If we're invading them, they are entitled to be mad at us for reasons quite unrelated to religion.

Fuck atheists, I'm a Christian, so this means I'm covered under two religions! How awesome is THAT?

What type of christian?

Might I point out that there's no reason to look at "Judge" in a negative way? He could judge you good, and open the gates to heaven.

Well, the passages you brought up clearly mean that God reserves the right to judge. You, as a mere mortal, don't have that right.

Christianity says the same thing. "Judge not lest ye yourself be judged." But God judges everyone for their fitness for residence in heaven.

Christianity says the same thing. "Judge not lest ye yourself be judged." But God judges everyone for their fitness for residence in heaven.

It seems you have not yet understood what Christianity is about.

i believe the world would be better with no religion, because people always find ways to intepret religious matter to fit their own ideals.

i believe the world would be better with no religion, because people always find ways to intepret religious matter to fit their own ideals.

most people do not have ideals of their own