NationStates Jolt Archive

13/10/2006

The Foreign Ministry on Friday condemned remarks by the Israeli ambassador to Australia in which he said that the two countries are white sisters amid "the yellow race" of Asia.

"If the article is accurate, this is a grave and unacceptable remark," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The ministry said it will not return to business as usual if an internal examination confirms that the ambassador, Naftali Tamir, in fact made the comments attributed to him.

Tamir said that due to what he characterized as the racial similarities between Israel and Australia, the two countries should work together to enhance ties with other Asian countries.

"Israel and Australia are like sisters in Asia," Tamir said in an interview with Haarez during a visit to Israel this week. "We are in Asia without the characteristics of Asians. We don't have yellow skin and slanted eyes.

Source: Some well known Media from the Middle East. (Not Al-Jazeera.. Not as known)

My2cents: Israel ambassadors are so funny.

13/10/2006

The Foreign Ministry on Friday condemned remarks by the Israeli ambassador to Australia in which he said that the two countries are white sisters amid "the yellow race" of Asia.

"If the article is accurate, this is a grave and unacceptable remark," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The ministry said it will not return to business as usual if an internal examination confirms that the ambassador, Naftali Tamir, in fact made the comments attributed to him.

Tamir said that due to what he characterized as the racial similarities between Israel and Australia, the two countries should work together to enhance ties with other Asian countries.

"Israel and Australia are like sisters in Asia," Tamir said in an interview with Haarez during a visit to Israel this week. "We are in Asia without the characteristics of Asians. We don't have yellow skin and slanted eyes.

Source: Some well known Media from the Middle East. (Not Al-Jazeera.. Not as known)

My2cents: Israel ambassadors are so funny.
I forget: does O-boy here love the Jews and hate the Arabs, or is it the other way around?

Either way, however, this was a rather insensitive and moronic comment for an ambassador to make, not to mention an ill-informed one. It's not as if the populations of Israel and Australia are 100% Caucasian anyway. Sheesh.

Well, they don't have the old South Africa to cozy up to anymore, I suppose.

Is putting "###" at the start of your thread title supposed to mean something? I have my display sorted by last posted to, so all it does is look funny. :confused:

I forget: does O-boy here love the Jews and hate the Arabs, or is it the other way around?

You're thinking of someone else I think. O-boy,(I like that!) has had a major hate-on for anything Israeli-related almost since he first appeared here.

Don't know if it's true, but I've been told that Oz has one of the largest population of Jews in the world, after Israel and the US.
So Israel is maybe trying to strengthen ties with Oz because of this.

Prob not the best way to go about it however.

Though considering the comments Howard's made re: Aborigines, maybe not so surprising. Maybe the Israeli ambassodor thought he'd sound more 'stralian. Needed to add 'drongos' at the end to achieve that.

Is putting "###" at the start of your thread title supposed to mean something? I have my display sorted by last posted to, so all it does is look funny. :confused:funny?

good.
you should always welcome a free laugh.

You're thinking of someone else I think. O-boy,(I like that!).and I like it too :D

13/10/2006
"Israel and Australia are like sisters in Asia," Tamir said in an interview with Haarez during a visit to Israel this week. "We are in Asia without the characteristics of Asians. We don't have yellow skin and slanted eyes.


Umm I have lived in Australia all my life and well I always thought Australia was in Australia seeing it's a different continent. :confused: :p When I saw this I thought it was about immigrants... which would of made more sense for Australia..

Oh, Israel. I guess the government of Israel is giving out crazy pills to their politicians, first a war and now this.

I don't entirely disagree with Israel. In principle, they're correct.

I don't entirely disagree with Israel. In principle, they're correct.

Any statement treating Race as an actual concept is inherently incorrect.

This was an incredibly untactful thing to say, I wonder whether the Ambassador actually knew that his career is 'diplomacy'.

Any statement treating Race as an actual concept is inherently incorrect.

In your opinion.

Encirclement. This should be a good excuse to bomb those saber rattling Solomon Islanders. And bring back White Australia Policy.;)

A link would be nice.

Oh, Israel. I guess the government of Israel is giving out crazy pills to their politicians, first a war and now this.

Most politicians are crazy IMO.

Is putting "###" at the start of your thread title supposed to mean something? I have my display sorted by last posted to, so all it does is look funny. :confused:

It means he can search for his threads by searching for ##.

If you ask a jew or an israelian in general if he believe in jesus christ, he will say yes, and that only because the countries that got her back are mostly christian (like the US) but actually they don't believe in Jesus christ, and they think christians are athists, but arabic countries are mostly muslim, and they all believe in jesus chrisrt and respect him, and in the Quraan (it's like the bible but for muslims) Jesus christ is mensioned, also jews, and it says that one day, when all the jews are together in one country, god will drown them all, and it's not only in Quraan, also in the bible. That means that god disagree with jews, wich means that they are wrong.

weird irrational ramblings
translation:
I haven't the faintest idea what the hell I'm talking about, but my pastor said this shit last week and it made sense to my poor enfeebled brain.

If you ask a jew or an israelian in general if he believe in jesus christ, he will say yes, and that only because the countries that got her back are mostly christian (like the US) but actually they don't believe in Jesus christ, and they think christians are athists, but arabic countries are mostly muslim, and they all believe in jesus chrisrt and respect him, and in the Quraan (it's like the bible but for muslims) Jesus christ is mensioned, also jews, and it says that one day, when all the jews are together in one country, god will drown them all, and it's not only in Quraan, also in the bible. That means that god disagree with jews, wich means that they are wrong.

umm... You're still in junior school right?

A link would be nice.
Here ya go:
http://www.milner-photo.com/product/P10/g.jpg

Well, I knew all along that Jews are all "sisters"...

If you ask a jew or an israelian in general if he believe in jesus christ, he will say yes, and that only because the countries that got her back are mostly christian (like the US) but actually they don't believe in Jesus christ, and they think christians are athists, but arabic countries are mostly muslim, and they all believe in jesus chrisrt and respect him, and in the Quraan (it's like the bible but for muslims) Jesus christ is mensioned, also jews, and it says that one day, when all the jews are together in one country, god will drown them all, and it's not only in Quraan, also in the bible. That means that god disagree with jews, wich means that they are wrong.

O.o

Huh?

Umm I have lived in Australia all my life and well I always thought Australia was in Australia seeing it's a different continent. :confused: :p When I saw this I thought it was about immigrants... which would of made more sense for Australia..

Australia's relations with Asia have a long history, starting with the (fortunately now defunct) White Australia policy. I believe it was Keating who said that Australia is part of Asia? And of course Australia is now (since Jan. 2006) part of Asia in terms of continental football groupings... ;)

No link to back this up. Just the usual Oceandrive antisemitic bullshit. I think a Jewish kid used to beat him up and steal his lunch money or something.

No link to back this up. Just the usual Oceandrive antisemitic bullshit. I think a Jewish kid used to beat him up and steal his lunch money or something.


The story is in fact true. While the OP didnt bother their arses suppling a link I have no idea.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/774471.html

had it to the other embarassments diplomats made.
mostly it is political job, so you can't except high-level persons will get it.
I can tell that his opinion doesn't represent many in israel, but I can't see how it help.

Too much drink at the reception...

No link to back this up. Just the usual Oceandrive antisemitic bullshit. I think a Jewish kid used to beat him up and steal his lunch money or something.

you will of course apologise for that remark?

No link to back this up. Just the usual Oceandrive antisemitic bullshit. I think a Jewish kid used to beat him up and steal his lunch money or something.

Kid probably just blackmailed him... :p

So stupid. Australians are mainly WASPs while Israelis are mainly Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews with lots of Arabs thrown in. I don't think that they're racially united. However, both are western countries.

So stupid. Australians are mainly WASPs while Israelis are mainly Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews with lots of Arabs thrown in. I don't think that they're racially united. However, both are western countries.

they allied with apartheid south africa remember. scratch the surface and israel is a horrible little racsit state that will ally with other racist states given half a chance.

any official censure for this guy? even a denial? didnt think so

they allied with apartheid south africa remember. scratch the surface and israel is a horrible little racsit state that will ally with other racist states given half a chance. nothing to do with racism.
nobody wanted to help us, and nobody wanted to help them, so we unite our powers in trade and cooporation.

much like SK and iran, if you think a little.
any official censure for this guy? even a denial? didnt think sothey will do it in the next few days trying to clean the shit of another ambassador.

nothing to do with racism.
nobody wanted to help us, and nobody wanted to help them, so we unite our powers in trade and cooporation.
.

while the rest of the world was involved in trade sanctions against SA? there was a reason 'nobody wanted to help them'....

you will have to do a lot better to justify that sordid part of your history

So stupid. Australians are mainly WASPs while Israelis are mainly Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews with lots of Arabs thrown in. I don't think that they're racially united. However, both are western countries.

Actually, the largest religion in Australia is Catholicism.

you will have to do a lot better to justify that sordid part of your history

The sordid part of their history? And I'm sure your country is fucking cookie cutter.

while the rest of the world was involved in trade sanctions against SA? there was a reason 'nobody wanted to help them'....

you will have to do a lot better to justify that sordid part of your history
I don't trying to justify it, but we had benefits from that relationship so it purely economical question.
many big corporations trade with evil regimes (some of them had contract with the nazis). I bet there were western companies which trade with SA at the same time.

it surely isn't model behavior, but it had long way before you could condemn all israel for racism because those actions of the leadership.
it was black part of the israeli history, but it no way racist act?

The sordid part of their history? And I'm sure your country is fucking cookie cutter.

blah blah blah. feel free to discuss the topic at hand, an Israeli diplomat making racist comments in the context of them allying themselves with the only state more racist than themselves.

I don't trying to justify it, but we had benefits from that relationship so it purely economical question.
many big corporations trade with evil regimes (some of them had contract with the nazis). I bet there were western companies which trade with SA at the same time.

it surely isn't model behavior, but it had long way before you could condemn all israel for racism because those actions of the leadership.
it was black part of the israeli history, but it no way racist act?

i disagree with that part, it was the culture of the state. but at least you personally condemn it.

blah blah blah. feel free to discuss the topic at hand, an Israeli diplomat making racist comments in the context of them allying themselves with the only state more racist than themselves.

Way to avoid the question.

Way to avoid the question.

who is avoiding the question?

was it ok for israel to ally with apartheid SA politically and economically and what signal did it send out?

was it ok for israel to ally with apartheid SA politically and economically and what signal did it send out?

More ok than it is for the West to ally with Sharia Arabia.

More ok than it is for the West to ally with Sharia Arabia.

Nice way to avoid the question, especially the Saudi reference, was that supposed to throw us off?

More ok than it is for the West to ally with Sharia Arabia.

there are no sanctions against the Saudis.

there were against SA.

answer the question

i disagree with that part, it was the culture of the state. but at least you personally condemn it.


what culture of state? Israel isn't racist.
israel helped to many countries in africa with agricultural problems. we wasn't motivated by racism.

We are happy to learn Israel is a new country.
It is now a Caucasian country.
Our Semitic brothers will feel free and make a large fiesta to commemorate such a glorious day.
Now fucking anti-Caucasian people will be prosecuted and anti-Semitic will be send to make war in Irak.

The planet is moving, the earth is rotating on itself North goes South, warm to cold cold to warmth, Semites to Caucasian, tomorrow yellow to black?

No, I respect an ambassador, even a Caucasian one, and will say pity he is not islamist because he seems to like heavy beverages more than clear water.

God he's only what I wrote about him in the New Scriptures, but Man is greater he's re-inventing himself...

wtf....that is so retarded and to come from Israel no less, he should be recalled.

Actually, the largest religion in Australia is Catholicism.
Same in America, but if you lump all the Protestants together you'll see that they make a larger proportion of people.

I have keyboard problem so t=7 (I copied this t from other place), ok?

wha7 cul7ure of s7a7e? Israel isn'7 racis7.
israel helped 7o many countries in africa with agricul7ural problems. we wasn'7 mo7iva7ed by racism.

you activly helped, politically, economically and morally, a racist regieme the rest of the world was trying to isolate and marginalise. that was a statement.

you activly helped, politically, economically and morally, a racist regieme the rest of the world was trying to isolate and marginalise. that was a statement.
Israel's only crime was "doing things a little differently", as you like to say.

Israel's only crime was "doing things a little differently", as you like to say.

busting the sanctions against apartheid SA and not censuring an ambassador who makes racist comments? 'a little differently' is right.

you activly helped, politically, economically and morally, a racist regieme the rest of the world was trying to isolate and marginalise. that was a statement.
and helped by this regime while the world isolate us to.
there were embargos against us. we just take some benefits from the situation.

and again, this was act of the leadership, not of all israel, and it surely wasn't statement of racism.

and helped by this regime while the world isolate us to.
there were embargos against us. we just take some benefits from the situation.

and again, this was act of the leadership, not of all israel, and it surely wasn't statement of racism.

it was im afraid.

there are certain people you should never accept help off.

busting the sanctions against apartheid SA and not censuring an ambassador who makes racist comments? 'a little differently' is right.

most countries had relationship with much worse regimes who get no sanctions only because of the currupt stacture of the UN.


for your second part, I just checked it and this ambassador recall to check if he said those things. if it prove correct he will get serious punishment. here goes your theory.

13/10/2006

The Foreign Ministry on Friday condemned remarks by the Israeli ambassador to Australia in which he said that the two countries are white sisters amid "the yellow race" of Asia.

I am yellow:confused:

*checks mirror and gets more confused*

it was im afraid.

there are certain people you should never accept help off.
most people will deal with the devil if this is the only way they can get things.
the world block all the other way for us, and then become surprised while we trade with the only ones who agreed to do it.

your contiues ignoring of the circumances show double standarts to the least.

most countries had relationship with much worse regimes who get no sanctions only because of the currupt stacture of the UN.

that's funny. israel only exists because of the currupt stucture of the UN.

busting the sanctions against apartheid SA and not censuring an ambassador who makes racist comments? 'a little differently' is right.
Alright, basically what I'm saying is that people like you who (rightly) criticise American and Israeli human rights abuses but give a "meh" to those by Iran, or Arabia have a dodgy, sinister agenda.

Asia's a pretty damn big continent, and the people are diverse. They need to pick up a globe and learn some geography.

Alright, basically what I'm saying is that people like you who (rightly) criticise American and Israeli human rights abuses but give a "meh" to those by Iran, or Arabia have a dodgy, sinister agenda.

If Iranian or Saudis come on here defending the indefensible, trust me, ill have a go at them too. The OP refers to Israel, so how is there an agenda to discussing them?

what culture of state? Israel isn't racist.
israel helped to many countries in africa with agricultural problems. we wasn't motivated by racism.

Israel is one of the few 'western' nations that deprives people rights based on race. Such as defining that a person of the 'inferior' race can not buy property in certain areas to preserve or improve the ethnic purity of the area.

It is also one of the few western nations to keep a million people behind walls and barbed wire while controling every import down to the last drop of fuel where nobody can enter or leave without permission where members of the 'inferior' race are allowed out on day permits to do low paying jobs. Where ANY resistance - passive or not is crushed with deadly military force without due process or oversight. A european nation quite noteably did this to a race once, South Africa also had similar policies during aparthied.

that's funny. israel only exists because of the currupt stucture of the UN.
first, it was less currupt than, partly because it had less states. curroption is usually proportional to size.

second, we had stable state before the UN decision. all we get from the UN is withrawal of the british who already disband their colonies at that time. more important, the UN did nothing to ensure that his decision will be kept. the british run away some months before the expected time and let the arab states get in freely while they doing it (not to mention the fights between us and the israeli-arab who were there while the brithish still supposed to control the area and not hide in their bases).
we get our independence by hard work and fighting. the UN give us the formal acknowledge and nothing more.

Israel is one of the few 'western' nations that deprives people rights based on race.

It is also one of the few western nations to keep a million people behind walls and barbed wire while controling every import down to the last drop of fuel where nobody can enter or leave without permission where members of the 'inferior' race are allowed out on day permits to do low paying jobs. Where ANY resistance - passive or not is crushed with deadly military force without due process or oversight. A european nation quite noteably did this to a race once, South Africa also had similar policies during aparthied.
bullshit full of ignorance and propoganda. go learn something.

there are no sanctions against the Saudis.

there were against SA.

Which is even worse; EVERYONE does business with the fascists now.

answer the question

Ok, fine. No. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Israel doing business with SA. They don't have to conform to your standards, pinko.

that's funny. israel only exists because of the currupt stucture of the UN.

No, no it doesn't. Israel exists because the UK created it from the Mandate, and had every right to do so.

Ok, fine. No. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Israel doing business with SA. They don't have to conform to your standards, pinko.

Nothing wring with aparthied South Africa? :p :p

You yanks and your uncritical support for Israel even when the Isrealis THEMSELVES acknowledge it was a bad move entertains me.

bullshit full of ignorance and propoganda. go learn something.

Which bit was bullshit?

The laws based on race? Arabs have EVERY right Jewish Israelis have?


Are you saying Gazans are allowed in and out of Gaza along borders that are not with Israel (i.e. Egypt)
Are you saying Israel does not contro (and cut off) fuel and other imports into Gaza?
Are you sayng Israel does not attack Gazans on a regular basis?
Are you saying that Israel does not regulary murder gazans indiscriminately, and any unarmed peace activists that get in the way of the IDF?

first, it was less currupt than, partly because it had less states. curroption is usually proportional to size.

second, we had stable state before the UN decision. all we get from the UN is withrawal of the british who already disband their colonies at that time. more important, the UN did nothing to ensure that his decision will be kept. the british run away some months before the expected time and let the arab states get in freely while they doing it (not to mention the fights between us and the israeli-arab who were there while the brithish still supposed to control the area and not hide in their bases).
we get our independence by hard work and fighting. the UN give us the formal acknowledge and nothing more.

Don't bother with East of Eden. From what I've read of his posts, he actually is a Nazi. That's not just flinging the word around.

Nothing wring with aparthied South Africa? :p :p

Nothing wrong with Israel doing business with them. They can do business with whomever they want.

You yanks and your uncritical support for Israel even when the Isrealis THEMSELVES acknowledge it was a bad move entertains me.

You assume I'm American.

My2cents: Israel ambassadors are so funny.You're painting every Israeli ambassador based on your interpretation of the actions of one of them? Shimon Stein is completely different from that idiot.

The laws based on race? Arabs have EVERY right Jewish Israelis have?

From what I've heard, yes.

Are you saying Gazans are allowed in and out of Gaza along borders that are not with Israel (i.e. Egypt)
Are you saying Israel does not contro (and cut off) fuel and other imports into Gaza?

When every second person crossing the borders there wants to attack Israel, they have good cause.

Are you sayng Israel does not attack Gazans on a regular basis?
Are you saying that Israel does not regulary murder gazans indiscriminately, and any unarmed peace activists that get in the way of the IDF?

Yes, we're saying that. If it was like that, you wouldn't have to shout it out every time Israel says boo; it'd be common knowledge, ala Darfur.

From what I've heard, yes.

An Arab goes into the West Bank and they can lose their Israeli citizenship. They can then be deported.
An Israeli goes there and they are widely supported.

Israel also has laws to protect the 'jewishness' of areas - arabs do not have the right to buy property in such areas. There is no equivlent law in reverse.


When every second person crossing the borders there wants to attack Israel, they have good cause.
And their right to cross into Egypt? Or import from Egypt?



Yes, we're saying that.

So these regular news reports about airstrikes in Gaza... even brfore those soldiers were taken.
The few thousand prisoners captured in Gaza/west bank held without trial?
That peace protester who was miles away form anyone wearing a bright orange vest to identify himself as unarmed who was shot in the head by a sniper?
Or that girl who they crushed with a bulldozer?

Which bit was bullshit? all of your post?

The laws based on race? Arabs have EVERY right Jewish Israelis have?they had freedom of religion, full citizenship and they aren't need to serve in army, and many laws or taxes payments aren't enforce their propoperly because the police is less harsh with them. their elected leaders went many times a year to visit iran, hizbulla, syria, iran and other terrorists while they continue with their anti-semitic propoganda, and nothing ever happned to them.
I think they have more rights than us.

Are you saying Gazans are allowed in and out of Gaza along borders that are not with Israel (i.e. Egypt)matter between them and egypt. as I heard they freely go in and out bringing new weaponary to use against us when they will decide to.
Are you saying Israel does not contro (and cut off) fuel and other imports into Gaza?only from the winning of hammas in the elections. shall I remind you even G8 agreed to make sanctions against them?
Are you sayng Israel does not attack Gazans on a regular basis?
Are you saying that Israel does not regulary murder gazans indiscriminately, and any unarmed peace activists that get in the way of the IDF?before or after we put their blood in bread? ):

matter between them and egypt.

So how come Israel has shut it off?

An Arab goes into the West Bank and they can lose their Israeli citizenship. They can then be deported.
An Israeli goes there and they are widely supported.

Israel also has laws to protect the 'jewishness' of areas - arabs do not have the right to buy property in such areas. There is no equivlent law in reverse.

That's not racism, that's affirmative action.

And their right to cross into Egypt? Or import from Egypt?

There are even MORE of those kinds of people in Egypt.

So these regular news reports about airstrikes in Gaza... even brfore those soldiers were taken.

Because everything was fucking peachy before that, right? No terrorists or Hamas...

The few thousand prisoners captured in Gaza/west bank held without trial?

Link?

That peace protester who was miles away form anyone wearing a bright orange vest to identify himself as unarmed who was shot in the head by a sniper?

Mistakes happen. And since when does orange vest = unarmed? He should have carried a white flag, the idiot.

Or that girl who they crushed with a bulldozer?

If we're talking about Saint Pancake, she deserved it. I would have run her over too.

If we're talking about Saint Pancake, she deserved it. I would have run her over too.

So: Peaceful protesters deserve to be murdered.

And then you demand an end to violent protest!

An Arab goes into the West Bank and they can lose their Israeli citizenship. They can then be deported.
An Israeli goes there and they are widely supported.they can go to there as much as they want. stop making lies.

Israel also has laws to protect the 'jewishness' of areas - arabs do not have the right to buy property in such areas. There is no equivlent law in reverse.it is more easy for arab to buy house in jewish city, than the opposite is true.


And their right to cross into Egypt? Or import from Egypt?if egypt agree they would do it, but it seems egypt don't want it to happen.




So these regular news reports about airstrikes in Gaza... even brfore those soldiers were taken.
The few thousand prisoners captured in Gaza/west bank held without trial?
That peace protester who was miles away form anyone wearing a bright orange vest to identify himself as unarmed who was shot in the head by a sniper?
Or that girl who they crushed with a bulldozer?
big mix of proporganda, ignorance of the circumances, few accidents which doesn't represent a thing, and lies.
the bullshit I was talked about.

So how come Israel has shut it off?
israel don't control there from the last summer, when we pullout from the strip.
egypt agreed to prevent pass of terrorists and weaponary, so they shut it off.
not that it help while the terrorists smuggling continue.

So: Peaceful protesters deserve to be murdered.

And then you demand an end to violent protest!

there was nothing peacful in that protest, and her jump to the wheels of running D9 in range which don't let him stop, was act of stupidity.

I dont think Israel is a white country. Even Ashkenazi jews have huge amounts of non-whiteness...

Too Long Source 1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html?ex=1294894800&en=d17eda8e09ca32a4&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4611592.stm

there was nothing peacful in that protest, and her jump to the wheels of running D9 in range which don't let him stop, was act of stupidity.
Incorrect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

Incorrect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

first, I don't rely on wikipedia.
second, even they said there is dispute over her death.

in the worse case it was accident, but there was no reason for her to be there in the first place.

first, I don't rely on wikipedia.
second, even they said there is dispute over her death.

in the worse case it was accident, but there was no reason for her to be there in the first place.

in the worst case it was murder.

she climbed onto the pile of rubble being pushed by the bulldozer. She got so high onto it that she was at eye-level with the cab of the bulldozer ... Despite this, he continued forward,

Despite the obviousness of her position, the bulldozer began to reverse, without lifting its blade, and drug [sic] the blade over her body again.

Doesn't sound like a tragic accident to me, and she did not deserve to be crushed to death just there was no reason for her to be there.

in the worst case it was murder.


Doesn't sound like a tragic accident to me, and she did not deserve to be crushed to death just there was no reason for her to be there.

Ssshhh. Don't be an anti-semite. We all know Israel has the upmost respect for peaceful process and the democratic process. Which is why they have shot and bulldozed people known to be unarmed peace activists and arrested members of a democratically elected government.

they had freedom of religion, full citizenship and they aren't need to serve in army, and many laws or taxes payments aren't enforce their propoperly because the police is less harsh with them. their elected leaders went many times a year to visit iran, hizbulla, syria, iran and other terrorists while they continue with their anti-semitic propoganda, and nothing ever happned to them.
I think they have more rights than us.):

Why is it every bigot thinks the people they discriminate against have more rights than they do?
"The Government did little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens, who constituted approximately 20 percent of the population but did not share fully the rights and benefits provided to, and obligations imposed on, the country's Jewish citizens."
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htm


it is more easy for arab to buy house in jewish city, than the opposite is true.


Yes, there we go again.....


big mix of proporganda, ignorance of the circumances, few accidents which doesn't represent a thing, and lies.
the bullshit I was talked about.

14 UN workers, over 750 children under 16 and thats just Gaza and the West Bank since 2000 - taking hostages, land seizures, torture. All documented and listed by both Israeli and international groups.


in the worse case it was accident, but there was no reason for her to be there in the first place..

No, my son, there was. She was trying to protect people. She made the one fatal mistake of believing that peaceful protest can work in that particular situation. I say the PLO need better training and shoulder held anti-tank capability, a la Hezbollah.

My2cents: Israel ambassadors are so funny.

My2cents: This is just more proof on how racists jews really are. And then to call themselves "white" is funny it of itself, so your right Israeli ambassadors are funny.....or vile peices of shit, not sure which.

in the worst case it was murder.

Doesn't sound like a tragic accident to me, and she did not deserve to be crushed to death just there was no reason for her to be there.

sure, the lies of those "peace activists" who somehow thnik that self-defence harming the peace process, while terrorists aren't.
they are nothing but biased.

sure, the lies of those "peace activists" who somehow thnik that self-defence harming the peace process, while terrorists aren't.
they are nothing but biased.

Here we go...

Who is occupying where again? Whose land are the settlements in?

sure, the lies of those "peace activists" who somehow thnik that self-defence harming the peace process, while terrorists aren't.
they are nothing but biased.

So bull-dozing houses is "Self-defense" is it?

bullshit full of ignorance and propoganda. go learn something.

no, actually he's right on the mark

Why is it every bigot thinks the people they discriminate against have more rights than they do?
"The Government did little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens, who constituted approximately 20 percent of the population but did not share fully the rights and benefits provided to, and obligations imposed on, the country's Jewish citizens."
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htmI didn't heard them junp to join in the obligations.
they get any rights others do, but they prefer talk about discrimination, and not try to change their conditions, like anybody else.


Yes, there we go again.....you talk from ignorance.



14 UN workers, over 750 children under 16 and thats just Gaza and the West Bank since 2000 - taking hostages, land seizures, torture. All documented and listed by both Israeli and international groups.
compare it to most of the modern conflicts, and you will see it pretty low numbers.
the turture and land seizure are things from the pasts which keep live only in propoganda.

No, my son, there was. She was trying to protect people. She made the one fatal mistake of believing that peaceful protest can work in that particular situation. I say the PLO need better training and shoulder held anti-tank capability, a la Hezbollah.
concpiracy which made from palastinian propoganda and don't stand on the reality, like most of the leftish garbage.

Somebody asked for a link to the Israeli ambasssador's remarks...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/774471.html

In an ISRAELI paper, no less.

Google is your friend.

So bull-dozing houses is "Self-defense" is it?

when this houses used by terrorists for hiding, shoting, launch terror activities and storing weaponary? absolutely yes.

Here we go...

Who is occupying where again?who try to end it both by peace process and pulling-out, both made the other side increase his terror?
Whose land are the settlements in?
jordan, from which we take it in 67, who put the palastinians in refugee camps in the first place.

Nothing wring with aparthied South Africa? :p :p

You yanks and your uncritical support for Israel even when the Isrealis THEMSELVES acknowledge it was a bad move entertains me.

Bad as South Africa was (and it was absolutely awful), most other African dictatorships were many times worse.

who try to end it both by peace process and pulling-out, both made the other side increase his terror?

Israel has never been serious in the peace process. And there has been no peace process at all since Netanyahu was elected.

Bad as South Africa was (and it was absolutely awful), most other African dictatorships were many times worse.

That justifies what? The errors of others do nor justify your own.

That justifies what? The errors of others do nor justify your own.

I never said they did. I just find it stupid how all the condemnation is heaped on South Africa, rather than on all African dictatorships.

Bad as South Africa was (and it was absolutely awful), most other African dictatorships were many times worse.
Fairly irrelevant, Apartheid was a massive fall from grace.



And this is just completely out of order. They wonder why people hate Israel - here's your proof.

Fairly irrelevant, Apartheid was a massive fall from grace.

It was. I was only 8 (almost 9) when the first multiracial elections were held, but I remember how excited I was. Apartheid was one of the most frivolous, stupid, barbarous, and inhumane systems ever devised, and no one (aside from the people who suffered under it) was as happy as me to see it go.

Although, in fairness to Israel, it's not the only country to ally itself with shady regimes. The Allies teamed up with the U.S.S.R. in WWII. And during the Cold War, the West had its share of less-than-desirable friends.

And during the Cold War, the West had its share of less-than-desirable friends.
Indeed.

Why, oh why, did Raegan think for a second that supporting Pol Pot was alright on the grounds that he hated the Vietnamese...

Bah!

I never said they did. I just find it stupid how all the condemnation is heaped on South Africa, rather than on all African dictatorships. All other dictatorships weren't based on Apartheid.

Indeed.

Why, oh why, did Raegan think for a second that supporting Pol Pot was alright on the grounds that he hated the Vietnamese...

Bah!

To Reagan, anyone who was either anti-communist or anti-Soviet was kapeesh (sp?). Which is why he supported countries like South Africa, Zaire, Chile, etc., but also communist regimes that were unfriendly to the U.S.S.R. like Romania and China.

All other dictatorships weren't based on Apartheid.

True, but they were still dictatorships. Not that it excuses S.A., but still.

Fairly irrelevant, Apartheid was a massive fall from grace.

And speaking of which, Archbishop Desmond Tutu calls Israel an apartheid state. I'd like to see someone here pull a Corneliu and claim to know more about apartheid than Archbishop Tutu and call him full of shit.

I didn't heard them junp to join in the obligations.
they get any rights others do, but they prefer talk about discrimination, and not try to change their conditions, like anybody else..

Yep, I've heard and read the same about "blacks",Hispanics and Irish Catholics as well.....


you talk from ignorance...

No, you are coming out with cliched remarls associated with bigotry. Like above.


compare it to most of the modern conflicts, and you will see it pretty low numbers....

Couldn't give a shite..Its still an unjust and brutal occupation.


the turture and land seizure are things from the pasts which keep live only in propoganda.....

My ass they do.


concpiracy which made from palastinian propoganda and don't stand on the reality, like most of the leftish garbage.

What "conspiracy"? I think you need to re-read what I said.


when this houses used by terrorists for hiding, shoting, launch terror activities and storing weaponary? absolutely yes..

And if they happen to be near an expanding settlement, well that was just a happy coincidence then.....

See I hat the way Australia is getting indirectly implicated via association. That is, Israel said something racist to Australia, so Israel is racist. However the whole event makes Australia seem racist. I mean, take this analogy. Lets say I am getting analised by a gay man. Just because a gay man has sex with me doesn't mean I am gay! People just get the wrong idea. This is also the case with our relationship with the USA (in fact the previous analogy is quite pertinent).

And speaking of which, Archbishop Desmond Tutu calls Israel an apartheid state. I'd like to see someone here pull a Corneliu and claim to know more about apartheid than Archbishop Tutu and call him full of shit.
Heh heh, what happened to that guy?

And speaking of which, Archbishop Desmond Tutu calls Israel an apartheid state. I'd like to see someone here pull a Corneliu and claim to know more about apartheid than Archbishop Tutu and call him full of shit.

One thing I like about Tutu: he condemned tyranny in black-ruled Africa as strongly as he did in apartheid South Africa. And he condemned ANC atrocities as strongly as he did atrocities by the South African security forces. I admire people without double standards.

To me, it seems like the guy was merely making an observation, I don't think he intended to be racist. Although, I could see how one could interpret what he said as racism, it certainly wasn't the smartest thing to say.

My2cents: This is just more proof on how racists jews really are. And then to call themselves "white" is funny it of itself, so your right Israeli ambassadors are funny.....or vile peices of shit, not sure which.

So...I'm not White?

Sisters? ;)

Don't know why he used sisters instead of brothers, it's odd.

So...I'm not White?Yes TAI.. you are a white Jew.
but..

(correct me if I am wrong here) most citizens of Israel are the same race as the Syrians/Iraquis/Lebanese/etc (most are Semite)..

So racially speaking.. Israel citizens are indeed semite peoples.. surrunded by semite peoples.

All this makes the (Israel envoy) remarks more Interesting.. (more stupid)

Unless... the envoy did not know how to express his hidden racism.. (his country is surrounded by the same race).. so he used the races "White" and "Yellow"..

either way it is wrong.

This guy has obviously made the wrong career choice. That kinda talk wouldn't be acceptable in Israeli government unless it was IDF or Mossad!

So: Peaceful protesters deserve to be murdered.

She didn't deserve to be killed for protesting, she deserved to be killed for being a tool.

And then you demand an end to violent protest!

Oh, so that's what you call it now.

Sisters? ;)

Don't know why he used sisters instead of brothers, it's odd.

Most countries are female. There are a few notable exceptions, the only ones I can pick off the top of my head are France and Germany.

Most countries are female. There are a few notable exceptions, the only ones I can pick off the top of my head are France and Germany.

La France surely is female.

La France surely is female.

They call it "Patrie".

They call it "Patrie".

"La Patrie".

"La Patrie".

So "La" implies female, and I think "Patrie" means father. So what is France, a gay man?

So "La" implies female, and I think "Patrie" means father. So what is France, a gay man?

"La Patrie" literally means "the Fatherland". In the case of France, "la France" is feminine - which in turn feminizes the word for Fatherland. If, in the instance of describing Canada (le Canada) as a "Fatherland", it would best be described as "le Patri", as Canada is considered masculine.

Makes perfect sense to me.

and again, this was act of the leadership, not of all israel, and it surely wasn't statement of racism.
my ass it wasn't a statement.
Ever heard of the adage, "Actions speak louder than words"?
For eg, if I own a company and hire whites - and only whites - to work there, regardless of what I say, my actions are making a damn site louder statement of my true nature.

Tell me, do you think Israel would have traded with SA if it's apartheid policy had been towards Jews, and not Blacks?
Somehow, I doubt it very much.
In which case, why?
And justify your answer with regards to your statement that it was just economic good sense to trade with SA but it didn't endorse or support their racist policies. 'Cause it'll be interesting to see what difference you can come up with.

"La Patrie" literally means "the Fatherland". In the case of France, "la France" is feminine - which in turn feminizes the word for Fatherland. If, in the instance of describing Canada (le Canada) as a "Fatherland", it would best be described as "le Patri", as Canada is considered masculine.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Doesn't to me. How can it be a fatherland, but feminine?

Man, the French never make sense.

"La Patrie" literally means "the Fatherland". In the case of France, "la France" is feminine - which in turn feminizes the word for Fatherland. If, in the instance of describing Canada (le Canada) as a "Fatherland", it would best be described as "le Patri", as Canada is considered masculine.

Makes perfect sense to me.


la patrie is not feminine because la France is feminine.
la patrie is feminine just because patria already is feminin in Latin. The root of course is pater (father).

So...I'm not White?

if your a jew, probably not.

if your a jew, probably not.

why not? most jews are europeans.

why not? most jews are europeans.
even the Usian Jews?
Then these are Native Usian?
Jewish people are proud to be Semitic, nothing to do with Caucasian.
But not for some imbecile of ambassador lost in Australia who believed Australia as an Asian country and Israel a part of the EU.
Only since the Eurovision contest accepts Israel we are confused not to see Japan participating, but they are yellow.


Anyway exception of the Lemba People who look a bit black...
You should still try to look after a yellow Jewish tribe.

if your a jew, probably not.

They look white to me.

The controversial part of the statements he made was wrong, and undiplomatic. And as a verse in the "we need to engage with Asia" song which all civilized Western countries sing, totally counter-productive and stupid.

"Israel has a past and present in Europe, but no future," said Tamir. "Israel is a part of Asia."
I bet Israel's ambassadors to European countries were overjoyed at that.

Australia should politely ask for a better ambassador, or at least one who doesn't say stupid and undiplomatic things. If that doesn't work, we could appoint Mel Gibson as our ambassador to Israel. ;)

The controversial part of the statements he made was wrong, and undiplomatic. And as a verse in the "we need to engage with Asia" song which all civilized Western countries sing, totally counter-productive and stupid.

"Israel has a past and present in Europe, but no future," said Tamir. "Israel is a part of Asia."
I bet Israel's ambassadors to European countries were overjoyed at that.

Australia should politely ask for a better ambassador, or at least one who doesn't say stupid and undiplomatic things. If that doesn't work, we could appoint Mel Gibson as our ambassador to Israel. ;)

I'd pay to see that one.

13/10/2006

The Foreign Ministry on Friday condemned remarks by the Israeli ambassador to Australia in which he said that the two countries are white sisters amid "the yellow race" of Asia.

"If the article is accurate, this is a grave and unacceptable remark," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The ministry said it will not return to business as usual if an internal examination confirms that the ambassador, Naftali Tamir, in fact made the comments attributed to him.

Tamir said that due to what he characterized as the racial similarities between Israel and Australia, the two countries should work together to enhance ties with other Asian countries.

"Israel and Australia are like sisters in Asia," Tamir said in an interview with Haarez during a visit to Israel this week. "We are in Asia without the characteristics of Asians. We don't have yellow skin and slanted eyes.

Source: Some well known Media from the Middle East. (Not Al-Jazeera.. Not as known)

My2cents: Israel ambassadors are so funny.

Hey...

Russia (Siberia) occupies a lot of Asia. And they're "whiter" than any Israeli.
Indians and Pakistani are partly Aryan ("white", indo-european) and Dravidian (hope I got their name well - very "dark", like people from Sri Lanka). No "yellows".
Also Iranians are Aryan.
Central Asia is mostly inhabited by people akin to Turks.

When someone bases his policies on races and skin colours, he's very likely to say the stupidest things.

God, who cares? :rolleyes:

God, who cares? :rolleyes:

because when a muslim makes a racist comment the israeli cheerleaders jump up and down and make loads of noise. now when one of theirs does it, they hide.

yet more double standards from the, ahem, defenders of democracy in the middle east.

la patrie is not feminine because la France is feminine.
la patrie is feminine just because patria already is feminin in Latin. The root of course is pater (father).

Correct. And "patria" is feminine because the complete form would be:
terra patria
where terra,terrae (meaning "land") is a feminine substantive
and patrius,patria,patrium is an adjective (meaning "of the father(s)") (and in latin, the adjective gets the same genre of the substantive)
In the common usage, "terra" got lost and only "patria" remained.

because when a muslim makes a racist comment the israeli cheerleaders jump up and down and make loads of noise. now when one of theirs does it, they hide.

yet more double standards from the, ahem, defenders of democracy in the middle east.
Good, so now the Muslims and yellow people and their cheerleaders can jump up and down and make a lot of noise! Whee!

Correct.
In the common usage, "terra" got lost and only "patria" remained.
Yes, so we've learnt the rationale behind French thinking now, and we can put this to rest. Vive la patrie!

Good, so now the Muslims and yellow people and their cheerleaders can jump up and down and make a lot of noise! Whee!

I think we are entitled to call foul when the representative of one western state with a history of racism makes racist comments in support of another nation with a history of racism.

and i notice an ominious silence from the defenders of all things zion on this and the israeli presidents legal 'situation'....

and i notice an ominious silence from the defenders of all things zion on this and the israeli presidents legal 'situation'....

That it's totally irrelevant?

That it's totally irrelevant?

We are told Isreal as a state that has not got any racist tendancies. Its the Palestinans who want all the Jews dead. Then the ambassador makes these comments.

We are told that one of the reasons that Arafat was sidelined was the corruption of the PA. Then a whole wave of corruption allegations emerge from the Knisset.

I would like to know how the standard US right wing defence of all things Israeli can justify these two recent events, especially in terms of the attacks on the Palestinains for the exact same thing.

I think we are entitled to call foul when the representative of one western state with a history of racism makes racist comments in support of another nation with a history of racism.
Scream bloody murder if you like. Until they plan on going on a campaign to stomp on the "yellow" people, I really don't care what they call themselves.

Scream bloody murder if you like. Until they plan on going on a campaign to stomp on the "yellow" people, I really don't care what they call themselves.

Ah, the double standard. The last refuge of the wrong.

Newsflash: Politicians say and do stupid and offensive things. Next!

Ah, the double standard. The last refuge of the wrong.
If I were pro-Zionist, yes. But I'm not. If Japan suddenly decides to call itself China's Yellow Sister (not gonna happen, but anyway), my response would be the same.

Newsflash: Politicians say and do stupid and offensive things. Next!

He isnt a politician.....

Diplomat = civil servant = bound by the rules = can be disciplined but hasnt.

If this was the Iranian ambassador to Oz you would all be baying for blood, but I suppose muslim bashing is fashionable these days.

I wonder if Joe the so called father of Jesus did make some cross for the Romans.
Today he could make one for an illiterate ambassador.

For the French learner I would say that terre = earth is feminine like in Latin, Terra is the mother giving food to humans. from that you've got patria (pro terra) for the country.

You will understand better the spirit of some assholes understanding the spirit of the French language when their only culture is war to steal their food or petrol nowadays.

We are told Isreal as a state that has not got any racist tendancies. Its the Palestinans who want all the Jews dead. Then the ambassador makes these comments.

We are told that one of the reasons that Arafat was sidelined was the corruption of the PA. Then a whole wave of corruption allegations emerge from the Knisset.

I would like to know how the standard US right wing defence of all things Israeli can justify these two recent events, especially in terms of the attacks on the Palestinains for the exact same thing.

I thought the bit about the Israeli President was irrelevant.

I went searching for some public statements by Naftali Tamir to support my gut reaction that he's a cowboy who has no business being a diplomat.

Didn't find much. He's been ambassador to Aus since early '05. He's also the ambassador to NZ. He's not a very clear speaker in English. The vocab's OK, but it's just clots of buzzwords without much message.

Israel brought him home (though not yet officially recalling him), clearly to demand an explanation for the comments.

This (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/775098.html) indicates that some kind of apology might be forthcoming.

One of the downsides of being percieved around the world as an easy-going mob who like a beer and a bit of kidding-around, is that you're the dumping-ground for the embarassing relatives of cabinet ministers.

And it's not like ambassadors are really that important any more. When it took weeks or months to communicate over distance, they had an important role speaking for their governments. But now, if your want the straight poop you get on the bloody phone. Jeez.

Furthermore THIS, from Australia's major national newspaper (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20533277-5001561,00.html) strikes me as a bit insensitive too.

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Only since the Eurovision contest accepts Israel we are confused not to see Japan participating, but they are yellow.
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The Japanese yellow? Absolutely not! When it comes to making fools of themselves on television, the Japanese play hard!

I guess you're making a serious point about what makes a country European or Asian or whatever. I just think any sentence with "Eurovision" in it is fair game ...

The Japanese yellow? Absolutely not! When it comes to making fools of themselves on television, the Japanese play hard!

I guess you're making a serious point about what makes a country European or Asian or whatever. I just think any sentence with "Eurovision" in it is fair game ...

True, very true Europeans are pink* Japanese are white...

*or should, or have been once...
However nowadays Europeans are yellow.

If I were pro-Zionist, yes. But I'm not. If Japan suddenly decides to call itself China's Yellow Sister (not gonna happen, but anyway), my response would be the same.

O that would end badly....