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Who would enjoy seeing the United States isolate itself in every way except trade? If attacked we should respond with a massive and overwhelming response that will assure it never happens again. I know I would.

No more foreign aid, no more military protection except in our ALLIES land when requested by the ally, no more UN involvement, no more spreading democracy, no more wasting American money on "others", end student coming here to studying, make immigration harder with very difficult tests to make sure only the best become citizens, and no more food aid.

Sealing our southern border with all the money we save and spend American money on the good people of the United States.

Ofcourse, there are better ideas than that but we get hated for those also and they cost much more. I see no reason for the world to hate us if we kept to ourself, thought people are seeming to disagree.

Who would enjoy seeing the United States isolate itself in every way except trade? If attacked we should respond with a massive and overwhelming response that will assure it never happens again. I know I would.

No more foreign aid, no more military protection except in our ALLIES land when requested by the ally, no more UN involvement, no more spreading democracy, no more wasting American money on "others", end student coming here to studying, make immigration harder with very difficult tests to make sure only the best become citizens, and no more food aid.

Sealing our southern border with all the money we save and spend American money on the good people of the United States.

Then perpare for the current hate towards our country x10000000

But go ahead. You are the brightest one in the room.

1920 and 30s anyone? I'm thinking isolationism.

You can't do things like you mentioned in the post and still have trade.

You can't do things like you mentioned in the post and still have trade.

We can if we devolop a catapult that throws money and products over our borders. And have the door with the little slidey thing where you can only see their eyes.

Then perpare for the current hate towards our country x10000000

But go ahead. You are the brightest one in the room.

1920 and 30s anyone? I'm thinking isolationism.

You mean the rest of the world might hate us? Oh wait that is what they do now. The rest of the world isn't much of a concern at this time. We need to do what is best of U.S.

Who would enjoy seeing the United States isolate itself in every way except trade? If attacked we should respond with a massive and overwhelming response that will assure it never happens again. I know I would.

No more foreign aid, no more military protection except in our ALLIES land when requested by the ally, no more UN involvement, no more spreading democracy, no more wasting American money on "others", end student coming here to studying, make immigration harder with very difficult tests to make sure only the best become citizens, and no more food aid.

Sealing our southern border with all the money we save and spend American money on the good people of the United States.

This is a natural reaction to the feeling of burden that comes with having to take care of the rest of the world and fighting the battles that other democracies won't fight.

In a sole-superpower world, America simply can't afford to isolate itself.

If we do isolate ourselves, massive retaliation simply, is not a logical solution. Suppose the entire Mid East gets nukes. If one goes of in New York, who are we gonna bomb? The entire Mid East? That's not nearly a viable solution, IMO.

That is one reason why we must work to prevent things like nuclear proliferation.

It's also our moral duty to uphold democracies all over the world, like Israel, for example. The oceans don't protect us anymore, my friend. Pearl Harbor proved that. If we don't deal with it abroad, it will come here. 9/11 proved that.

You mean the rest of the world might hate us? Oh wait that is what they do now. The rest of the world isn't much of a concern at this time. We need to do what is best of U.S.

Wow I thought "x10000000" would have caught your eye.

My hopes were to high. I'm sorry. Try re-reading.

You can't do things like you mentioned in the post and still have trade.

Why not? We would still buy products and I am sure that other countries would sell us the products.

You mean the rest of the world might hate us? Oh wait that is what they do now. The rest of the world isn't much of a concern at this time. We need to do what is best of U.S.

We'll do it!

You mean the rest of the world might hate us? Oh wait that is what they do now. The rest of the world isn't much of a concern at this time. We need to do what is best of U.S.

How is it in Americas best interest for everyone in the world to hate us?

I for one think it's an awful idea. Sorry, there's too much to be gained by visiting other countries and learning about their cultures, and I for one would think it would suck NOT to meet British and German and Canadian and French families (and everyone else, so don't get your knickers in a twist!) on holiday in the US.

Can we vote to have this biased poll changed to be more neutral?

Wow I thought "x10000000" would have caught your eye.

My hopes were to high. I'm sorry. Try re-reading.

I read it fine the first time, what would be worse is they hated us x10000000 more?

I for one think it's an awful idea. Sorry, there's too much to be gained by visiting other countries and learning about their cultures, and I for one would think it would suck NOT to meet British and German and Canadian and French families (and everyone else, so don't get your knickers in a twist!) on holiday in the US.

Its kind of like never leaving the house on a larger scale.

Can we vote to have this biased poll changed to be more neutral?

Sure, just regard the options as yes, no, and neither.

I read it fine the first time, what would be worse is they hated us x10000000 more?

Um... They would hate us x1000000 more maybe? Enough hate will cause action. That action would be negitive. What if a little more hate was all that was needed for another country to start a war against us? You know what that is teetering over the edge? You're right what is 2 countries were at war with right now compared to 15, 20, 100. Take your guess.

This is a natural reaction to the feeling of burden that comes with having to take care of the rest of the world and fighting the battles that other democracies won't fight.

In a sole-superpower world, America simply can't afford to isolate itself.

Exactly it is a horrible thing to behold, but this kind of shit just goes along with being a superpower. A foreign policy that is not completely ham-fisted is desirable, though.

Um... They would hate us x1000000 more maybe? Enough hate will cause action. That action would be negitive. What if a little more hate was all that was needed for another country to start a war against us? You know what that is teetering over the edge? You're right what is 2 countries were at war with right now compared to 15, 20, 100. Take your guess.

Actually, the problem is that we are caught up with the "collateral damage" problem. If a nation is the enemy, that disappears. Then we can pull out the NLOS artillery and the metal storm guns and those bombs that release molten copper. Not to mention teh audio balsters and all of the futureweapons.

Um... They would hate us x1000000 more maybe? Enough hate will cause action. That action would be negitive. What if a little more hate was all that was needed for another country to start a war against us? You know what that is teetering over the edge? You're right what is 2 countries were at war with right now compared to 15, 20, 100. Take your guess.

The only countries that would have a worth while attempt of declaring war would be Britain, Russia, China, Germany, and France. I would hardly think Britain, France, or Germany would attack us. Either way even the world has no chance of winning but in they case in would be our end as well. Though I doubt it would lead to war.

The only countries that would have a worth while attempt of declaring war would be Britain, Russia, China, Germany, and France. I would hardly think Britain, France, or Germany would attack us. Either way even the world has no chance of winning but in they case in would be our end as well. Though I doubt it would lead to war.

Well ever been to a class or see a movie where there is the one person in the middle. Where where he is being condemed by his peers. You see that he calls out for someone to stand up with him. One guy steps forward. Then another after seeing one stand up. Then another, and another, and another.

I read it fine the first time, what would be worse is they hated us x10000000 more?It would cause major uphevals in countries around the world, and while things would undoubtedly stabilize again at some point, regional instability alone would cut off essential US trade & make your economy crumble.

Add in international sanctions against the US, civil wars & revolutions around the globe, pissed off deposed despots & free-roaming terrorists, I seriously doubt it's something you'd want to try if you're fond of your fellow citizens & current way of life. At least I'd suggest you apply for citizenship somewhere else before you try it.

Remember, we do not have anything exclusive to export to the world. They could stop trading with us because they like someone elses ideals. Then we would be screwed.

Exactly it is a horrible thing to behold, but this kind of shit just goes along with being a superpower. A foreign policy that is not completely ham-fisted is desirable, though.

I think America is in the unique position where it's a free society and a superpower. As such, it is committed to protecting and spreading freedom, and maintaining national security at the same time. A country like the USSR, it could do anything it well wanted, and use that as an excuse to protect their national security. America has moral obligations, yet it must occasionally do immoral things to protect itself.

This contradiction is impossible to resolve. The best thing we could do is maintain a balance. The question isn't whether we should draw the line, but where we draw the line on what, and that I'll leave up to the experts.

It would cause major uphevals in countries around the world, and while things would undoubtedly stabilize again at some point, regional instability alone would cut off essential US trade & make your economy crumble.

Add in international sanctions against the US, civil wars & revolutions around the globe, pissed off deposed despots & free-roaming terrorists, I seriously doubt it's something you'd want to try if you're fond of your fellow citizens & current way of life. At least I'd suggest you apply for citizenship somewhere else before you try it.

How would it hurt our major trading partners badly in the long run?

Remember, we do not have anything exclusive to export to the world. They could stop trading with us because they like someone elses ideals. Then we would be screwed.

We import huge amounts of goods though and large exporters like China would need to continue trading with us.

We import huge amounts of goods though and large exporters like China would need to continue trading with us.

Really? You have proof? I would like some statistics with fries please. Hold the speculation.

I think America is in the unique position where it's a free society and a superpower. As such, it is committed to protecting and spreading freedom, and maintaining national security at the same time. A country like the USSR, it could do anything it well wanted, and use that as an excuse to protect their national security. America has moral obligations, yet it must occasionally do immoral things to protect itself.
The American experiment has produced a truly unique nation. We should keep it that way.

This contradiction is impossible to resolve. The best thing we could do is maintain a balance. The question isn't whether we should draw the line, but where we draw the line on what, and that I'll leave up to the experts.

Aye, and its this Loki's wager(I think i'm using that correctly:p) is where all the strife and criticism comes from. Some want the line drawn here, others want it there, others don't even want a line.

We import huge amounts of goods though and large exporters like China would need to continue trading with us.

ANYONE can import useless trinkets (and their more useful counterparts). They'd get someone else to do it... like the UK. :eek: :eek: :eek:

How would it hurt our major trading partners badly in the long run? What you propose is guaranteed to cut the world off from the majority of the global oil resources, and as you may be aware, we're presently completely dependent on easy access to every last drop that can be produced. Many countries would probably prefer being bombed by America rather than loose their oil supply.

... And that's just one consequence.

Who would enjoy seeing the United States isolate itself in every way except trade? If attacked we should respond with a massive and overwhelming response that will assure it never happens again. I know I would.

No more foreign aid, no more military protection except in our ALLIES land when requested by the ally, no more UN involvement, no more spreading democracy, no more wasting American money on "others", end student coming here to studying, make immigration harder with very difficult tests to make sure only the best become citizens, and no more food aid.

Sealing our southern border with all the money we save and spend American money on the good people of the United States.

Ofcourse, there are better ideas than that but we get hated for those also and they cost much more. I see no reason for the world to hate us if we kept to ourself, thought people are seeming to disagree.if the US absolutely withdrew all it's troops and stayed out of middleastern affairs I don't think anyone would attack it anymore.... it's this business of fucking around in other countries affairs that every one has a hate on for the US

if the US absolutely withdrew all it's troops and stayed out of middleastern affairs I don't think anyone would attack it anymore.... it's this business of fucking around in other countries affairs that every one has a hate on for the USFor better or worse, the US is too ingrained in forign regimes to "pull out" without causing total, global chaos.

A much better idea would be to slowly abandon the policy of turning forign countries into US vasal states. If done carefully & over several years, it wouldn't cause chaos, and it would certainly put a serious damper on terrorist interest in the US, as well as improve forign relations.

What you propose is guaranteed to cut the world off from the majority of the global oil resources, and as you may be aware, we're presently completely dependent on easy access to every last drop that can be produced. Many countries would probably prefer being bombed by America rather than loose their oil supply.

... And that's just one consequence.

We have enough oil domestically(if we would drill it) to supply us until we could get new alternative fuels widespread.

if the U.S pulls out then it leaves a world power vacuum and only 5 nations can fill it at this moment 2 of which wouldn’t be in America’s best interest as well as create a regional power vacuum that will undoubtedly be a massive headache to the U.S

Never mind the fact that America can expect the world to do the same when it needs aid so its for the best to have an insurance plan

of course the idea of European and commonwealth nations working together along with various other nations across the globe is the stuff of dreams of course we will have to watch out for China gobbling up the far east and Russia regaining much of its control over eastern Europe (not a bad thing in itself the corruption however is)

We have enough oil domestically(if we would drill it) to supply us until we could get new alternative fuels widespread.

got a source for that? have we discovered nuclear fusion to be profitable yet?

For better or worse, the US is too ingrained in forign regimes to "pull out" without causing total, global chaos.

A much better idea would be to slowly abandon the policy of turning forign countries into US vasal states. If done carefully & over several years, it wouldn't cause chaos, and it would certainly put a serious damper on terrorist interest in the US, as well as improve forign relations.
sensible, I'll go along with that.

For better or worse, the US is too ingrained in forign regimes to "pull out" without causing total, global chaos.

A much better idea would be to slowly abandon the policy of turning forign countries into US vasal states. If done carefully & over several years, it wouldn't cause chaos, and it would certainly put a serious damper on terrorist interest in the US, as well as improve forign relations.
sensible, I'll go along with that.

if the U.S pulls out then it leaves a world power vacuum and only 5 nations can fill it at this moment 2 of which wouldn’t be in America’s best interest as well as create a regional power vacuum that will undoubtedly be a massive headache to the U.S

Never mind the fact that America can expect the world to do the same when it needs aid so its for the best to have an insurance planof course the idea of European and commonwealth nations working together along with various other nations across the globe is the stuff of dreams of course we will have to watch out for China gobbling up the far east and Russia regaining much of its control over eastern Europe (not a bad thing in itself the corruption however is)

No one has helped America since the Revolution. No one will come to help America when it's in need, and you can take that to the bank.

Who would enjoy seeing the United States isolate itself in every way except trade? If attacked we should respond with a massive and overwhelming response that will assure it never happens again. I know I would.

No more foreign aid, no more military protection except in our ALLIES land when requested by the ally, no more UN involvement, no more spreading democracy, no more wasting American money on "others", end student coming here to studying, make immigration harder with very difficult tests to make sure only the best become citizens, and no more food aid.

Sealing our southern border with all the money we save and spend American money on the good people of the United States.

Ofcourse, there are better ideas than that but we get hated for those also and they cost much more. I see no reason for the world to hate us if we kept to ourself, thought people are seeming to disagree.

The last time we tried isolationism, we ended up in WWII.

No one has helped America since the Revolution. No one will come to help America when it's in need, and you can take that to the bank.Yea! All us wankers did nothing when you refused our aid for the Katarina debacle. We haven't even payed your military expenses for the illegal & genocidal invasion of Iraq, we just sent our men & women off to be killed for your fictional cause. And not a single one of us bothered to pay more than our own expenses in Afghanistan.

We're right bastards!

I think all nations should follow isolationism, sick of pop culture, globalization, United Nations, EU, foreign military bases, immigration, tourism etc. I am also sick to see our money being sent off to some foreign nations and not seeing one thing worth a damn to us, YES I really don't care about hungry or poor people in 3rd world nations and I dont want them to come over here.

We have enough oil domestically(if we would drill it) to supply us until we could get new alternative fuels widespread.

No, no we don't.

The majority of the oil we do have in the mainland is in the path of hurricanes, anyway; which will be happening far more often now that global warming is really hitting stride. We could maybe survive on our own for a bit if everyone started driving Honda Fit's, the government funded massive pushes to reorganize suburbia into an economic platform, and advances in hybrid technology [mainly making it AFFORDABLE] but it's hard to do that when the private sector isn't really behind the idea.