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TWO Pendle men have appeared before Pennine magistrates accused of having "a master plan" after what is believed to be a record haul of chemicals used in making home-made bombs was found in Colne.
Robert Cottage (49), of Talbot Street, Colne, and David Bolus Jackson (62), of Trent Road, Nelson, made separate appearances before the court charged with being in possession of an explosive substance for an unlawful purpose. The offences are under the Explosive Substances Act 1883.
Both men were remanded in custody to appear at Burnley Crown Court on October 23rd. Cottage was arrested at his home on Thursday, while retired dentist Jackson was arrested in the Lancaster area on Friday, the same day as he left a dental practice in Grange-over-Sands.
The 22 chemical components recovered by police are believed to be the largest haul ever found at a house in this country.
Cottage is an ex-BNP member who stood as a candidate in the Pendle Council elections in May.
Mrs Christiana Buchanan, who appeared for the prosecution in Jackson's case, alleged the pair had "some kind of masterplan".
She said a search of Jackson's home had uncovered rocket launchers, chemicals, BNP literature and a nuclear biological suit.
Police raided Cottage's Talbot Street home on Thursday of last week. The house was taped off while forensics officers searched the premises. Neighbours were told to stay in their homes for their own safety. Mr Cottage's car was also taken away for examination.
Officers also made a thorough examination of Jackson's Trent Road home and, again, officers were on duty outside the house. Forensics officers examined the property.

You think there'd be something about this in at least one national newspaper, don't you? Well, fortunately, there was - in the Guardian, tucked away in a corner of page 29 today, a full week after it was reported in local press:

Now here's a conundrum: according to the Burnley Express, the Burnley Citizen and the Lancashire Telegraph, Robert Cottage, formerly of the BNP, and David Jackson, a retired dentist, appeared before magistrates last week accused of "possessing the largest amount of chemical explosive of its type ever found in Britain". A total of 22 chemical components were recovered from their homes, the papers reported, as well as rocket launchers, a nuclear/ biological protection suit and BNP literature. An exhaustive search of our extensive archives has failed to find a single mention of this in any national daily. Furthermore, Mr John Reid has not, to our knowledge, appeared on our TV screens to enlighten us as to the terrifying extent of this new threat to our nation's security. Then again, no one involved was a Muslim. Arf arf. (Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/diary/story/0,,1921188,00.html))

Call me a cynic, but the Guardian writer is probably correct - no one cares, because no one involved was a Muslim.

Clearly some ebul mooslim planted those explosives.

I wonder what the master plan was?

Call me a cynic, but the Guardian writer is probably correct - no one cares, because no one involved was a Muslim.

In fact, being a BNP type, the bombs were probably going to be used to blow up Muslims (or, at least, miscellaneous brown people - but it's much the same really, isn't it?) and therefore save us poor, hard-working Britons from Terrorism!

I wonder what the master plan was?

I'm gonna go ahead and assume it involved blowing something up.

I declare this a plot by Monty python !


They are BNP ? Whats that like Spam ???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7YedEopp4

I'd guess the plan would be to blow somewhere up and blame it on Islamists. These Fascists don't care a jott for human life, be it black or white, and I wouldn't put it past them to do anything to achieve their goals.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume it involved blowing something up.

with chemicals?

I'm gonna go ahead and assume it involved blowing something up.
Maybe they were trying to make a home-brewed cola...served in rocket launchers...

And obviously the nuclear biological suit was in case anything went wrong.

BNP membership runs from January to December and he stood as an election candidate in May, so the man is still a BNP member.

...membership is for the 12 months of the calendar year - January to December but those signing up from Oct 1st through to Dec 31st qualify for the following year’s card.

After you mix them they make BIG boom . YES WITH CHEMICALS.

EXPLOSIVES ARE MADE UP OF CHEMICALS.


and spam .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7YedEopp4


http://www.bnp.org.uk/


Guess the wind farm was getting too smelly and they was going to sut her down eh mate ?

with chemicals?

Yes. Explosive ones.

Yes. Explosive ones.

so why wear a nuclear biological suite :confused:

so why wear a nuclear biological suite :confused:

Maybe he was planning on getting some nuclear material

so why wear a nuclear biological suite :confused:

Presumably there were hazardous chemicals also. Perhaps he was planning to make a dirty bomb.

Presumably there were hazardous chemicals also. Perhaps he was planning to make a dirty bomb.
Dirty bombs are the most rubbish Fnords ever.

I expect the reason 'no one cares' is because, unlike the other recent terror raids, there wasn't intellegence about 'imminent' threats. You can argue all you like about how realistic those threats really were, but the fact remains that 'we were going to get blown up tomorrow' is always going to be a better headline than 'nutter up north puts down his bacon butty'.

Dirty bombs are the most rubbish Fnords ever.

What the zombie jesus is a Fnord?

What the zombie jesus is a Fnord?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord

Wikipedia is your apathetic lover.

Trilby63;11802363']http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord

Wikipedia is your apathetic lover.

Apathetic lovers are the best kind.

I expect the reason 'no one cares' is because, unlike the other recent terror raids, there wasn't intellegence about 'imminent' threats. You can argue all you like about how realistic those threats really were, but the fact remains that 'we were going to get blown up tomorrow' is always going to be a better headline than 'nutter up north puts down his bacon butty'.
True, but the intelligence about 'imminent threats' has hardly been backed up, has it? There could easily have been an imminent threat, especially in a place with such animosity between the majority of the population and the BNP as Burnley.

Apathetic lovers are the best kind.

Yes.

But fuck buddies are better.

Presumably there were hazardous chemicals also. Perhaps he was planning to make a dirty bomb.

but why leave out the chemical resistance on his suite the one thing he needs?

Maybe he got a job as a pest controller.....

but why leave out the chemical resistance on his suite the one thing he needs?

Maybe he got a job as a pest controller.....

What, killing the radioactive cockroaches left after a nuclear war?

but why leave out the chemical resistance on his suite the one thing he needs?

Maybe he got a job as a pest controller.....

Maybe he's just an idiot.

True, but the intelligence about 'imminent threats' has hardly been backed up, has it? There could easily have been an imminent threat, especially in a place with such animosity between the majority of the population and the BNP as Burnley.
Perhaps, but I wonder how close these people were to actually doing anything. The BNP does a lot of big talk, but are hardly the most frightening facists in the world.

I'm not going to go too far with my defence of the media - I do agree that they are totally irresponsible in what they choose to report at times. I expect there must be slightly more to it than the fact they were not Muslims, though - the BNP is hardly a loved organisation, and if even the TV news didn't pick it up then it probably wasn't that interesting.

Don't rocket launchers count as firearms? Why arn't they being charged with illegal possesion aswell?

Perhaps, but I wonder how close these people were to actually doing anything. The BNP does a lot of big talk, but are hardly the most frightening facists in the world.

I'm not going to go too far with my defence of the media - I do agree that they are totally irresponsible in what they choose to report at times. I expect there must be slightly more to it than the fact they were not Muslims, though - the BNP is hardly a loved organisation, and if even the TV news didn't pick it up then it probably wasn't that interesting.
The BNP does do a lot of big talk, but up until now I doubt many people thought they could back it up with explosives and rocket launchers...

Call me a cynic, but the Guardian writer is probably correct - no one cares, because no one involved was a Muslim.

it's ok, we've got the same deal here in usianland. the only groups we've caught with chemical weapons are nazis. the only biological attacks we've had were the largely forgotten anthrax attacks which bear all the hallmarks of being the work of domestic rightwingers. but never mind that, i heard that somewhere muslims are planning to do something at some point in the future - everybody panic!

Someone should send this to Ny Nordland with the title 'white racist plots bomb attack' - he would have an apopleptic fit!!

Someone should send this to Ny Nordland with the title 'white racist plots bomb attack' - he would have an apopleptic fit!!

Genius. He's not banned at the minute or anything is he? I'd hate for him to miss this thread.

Genius. He's not banned at the minute or anything is he? I'd hate for him to miss this thread.

He normally turns up about now (which gives him an hour to fill me with rage before work finishes)

Someone should send this to Ny Nordland with the title 'white racist plots bomb attack' - he would have an apopleptic fit!!
Sweet.

Call me a cynic, but the Guardian writer is probably correct - no one cares, because no one involved was a Muslim.
Yup.:(

BNP membership runs from January to December and he stood as an election candidate in May, so the man is still a BNP member.

*ahem*

Can the thread title be amended?

And also:

Dear ______,

Thank you for your email about the court appearance at Penine Magistrates of two men accused of possessing chemical explosives. It is indeed interesting. Unfortunately BBC TV news didn't know about the police find.

I would like to assure you the BBC takes very seriously its responsibility to report all issues fairly, accurately and impartially. This is as true of issues involving potential terror plots by former BNP activists or radical Islamists. The BBC has a long history of exposing the BNP and any past wrongdoing.

I have investigated how the story was missed. It appears a reporter from BBC Radio Lancashire investigated initial reports but the police "played it down". Our regional televison centre in in Manchester found out about the story only after it was reported in the Colne Times. By this time it was several days old. On investigation they discovered that reporting restrictions were in place which severely curtailed what could be said by the media.

Two arrested men are due to appear at Blackburn Crown Court on October 23rd, BBC TV News will attend the hearing.

Thank you for alerting us to this story.

Best wishes

Debby Moyse
Assistant to the Head of BBC TV News

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/10/bbc-on-unreported-fascist-bomb-factory.html

so why wear a nuclear biological suite :confused:

Some explosives are made out of nasty stuff. Astrolite, for example, is made with Hydrazine, and you don't want to go breathing that stuff in or splashing it on you clothes.

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/10/bbc-on-unreported-fascist-bomb-factory.html

ah, the tomb. good stuff.

ah, the tomb. good stuff.

"A chicken in every pot and an icepick in every Trot."

"A chicken in every pot and an icepick in every Trot."

rhyming slogans for some, miniature american flags for others!

Call me a cynic, but the Guardian writer is probably correct - no one cares, because no one involved was a Muslim.

Exactamundo. Meanwhile the US is in panic after a detroit man named mohammed babacanoosh was found in possession of 4 cell phones and a beeper.

He normally turns up about now (which gives him an hour to fill me with rage before work finishes)

I fill you with rage? How sweet...

I wonder what the master plan was?

Apparantly the master plan includes infiltrating prison.

BNP membership runs from January to December and he stood as an election candidate in May, so the man is still a BNP member. Can a person neither quit the BNP nor be drummed out of it before the annual membership runs it's course?

*ahem*

Can the thread title be amended?
No. The story reports him as an ex-BNP member, and so that's what I'm going to stick with. As 'Not bad' pointed out, it's entirely possible for him to have resigned his membership or been kicked out since May.

Dirty bombs are the most rubbish Fnords ever.
Rubbish ever?:confused:

Why did you leave such a big space between 'rubbish' and 'ever'?

Either A: This is all a massive lie.

B: It's one of those things which is suppost to be kept a secret until after the trial.

C: The newspapers really are biased.

No. The story reports him as an ex-BNP member, and so that's what I'm going to stick with. As 'Not bad' pointed out, it's entirely possible for him to have resigned his membership or been kicked out since May.

The BNP member who commented on the incident said he was "glad that the person wasn't a member anymore". He either he's lying or stupid because the party itself has not confirmed that the person was kicked out or left of their own accord. Due to the PR disaster you'd think they would be quick to do so.

C: The newspapers really are biased.

given the beeb's excuse it seems more like its the cops and the state more generally making with the bias. which is fairly unsurprising.

i heard a whisper it was the BNP themselves that shopped the guy....

I fill you with rage? How sweet...
For the rest of us it's just pity, mixed with a little contempt.

I concede it's possible that the man was kicked out of the BNP between May and the arrest, but where's the official confirmation?

I concede it's possible that the man was kicked out of the BNP between May and the arrest, but where's the official confirmation?

Why would the BNP feel the need to issue a statement confirming that the guy was ex-BNP? The article already said it, if the article had said he was current BNP then I'm sure they would have responded but in this circumstance where it's not been widely reported in the media I figure the BNP would rather just let sleeping dogs lie then encourage more publicity for then event by issuing statements.

Why would the BNP feel the need to issue a statement confirming that the guy was ex-BNP? The article already said it, if the article had said he was current BNP then I'm sure they would have responded but in this circumstance where it's not been widely reported in the media I figure the BNP would rather just let sleeping dogs lie then encourage more publicity for then event by issuing statements.

That's a good point. I'm sure the BNP quite happy having everyone assume the man is ex-BNP because the councillor for Nelson implied as much. His comment appears to be the source for the "ex-BNP" claim and I'm just skeptical.

Trilby63;11802369']Yes.

But fuck buddies are better.

I need me one of those

For the rest of us it's just pity, mixed with a little contempt.

Missed your medication today? Is that the voices in your head telling you the feelings of "everyone else"?

Missed your medication today? Is that the voices in your head telling you the feelings of "everyone else"?

And you constantly bitch to the mods about personal attacks....:rolleyes:

Missed your medication today? Is that the voices in your head telling you the feelings of "everyone else"?

and you speak for the majority? :p