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I'm talking about US relations with Latin America. I really want the US to focus more on this key area. Especially in places like Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, and Cuba. Here is what I have in mind

Cuba- End the 40 yr old terrorist actions agains the Cuban people, aka the Cuban Embargo. The Cold War is over, its time for us to build a strong relation with the island that at one time was considered to be a part of the US.

Mexico- Work with the immigration problems. Obviously this ticks off a lot of US americans, and plus its good for a nation to retain its people. We need to help the mexican government set up better paying jobs, a better social system etc.. to encourage the retention of Mexican citizens.

Chile and Argentina- Both have faced economic and human rights crises in the past. The US needs to fix what it did in the 70s when it allowed the oppressive Junta in argentina, and Pinochet in Chile, take power.

Venezuela- Obviously there is bad blood between Chavez and Bush, again this goes to the whole thing about the Cold war being over, its time to realize that if a country wants a leftist leader, then thats their choice, and we should have no say in it what so ever. We need to build good relations with this government, and take advantage of its oil output.

Of course there are many other nations such as El salvador, nicaragua, brazil etc where the US needs to go in and give more aid, and help gov't stabilize. I also think NAFTA needs to be suspended, as it only exploits cheap labour.


So what do you think?

I think we kind of ruined the relationship by repeatedly overthrowing leftest democracies and replacing them with right-wing dictatorships during the cold war.

I think we kind of ruined the relationship by repeatedly overthrowing leftest democracies and replacing them with right-wing dictatorships during the cold war.

So there is no hope for a revival of good quality relations?

As for Mexico: They need to become an American state. Plain and simple.
The alternitive is what???!!! Build a fence???!!! American companies continuing to migrate to Mexico for cheaper labour????!!! More and more people drowning in the Rio Grande river???!! This has got to stop and the best solution is all us going out and buying another flag w/ 51 stars!!

So there is no hope for a revival of good quality relations?

Relations between the U.S. and Latin American nations (aside from Venezuela and Cuba) are actually pretty good, all things considered.

And I would go a step further...full and complete isolationism of the Western Hemisphere (N & S America) from the Eastern (Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania).

All the major problems in international relations are in the Eastern Hemisphere...with this new isolationist policy, the Western Hemisphere focuses on mutual economic development, and an eventual political federation like the EU.

We just leave the rest of the world to it's fate...stop trading with them, stop traveling there, and fix our own damn problems. We declare a "nuke-first" policy towards any Eastern nation that messes with us.

"We're busy...leave us the fuck alone and we won't nuke you. Have a nice day."

I have a feeling that many in the Eastern Hemisphere wouldn't mind too much.

Relations between the U.S. and Latin American nations (aside from Venezuela and Cuba) are actually pretty good, all things considered.

And I would go a step further...full and complete isolationism of the Western Hemisphere (N & S America) from the Eastern (Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania).

All the major problems in international relations are in the Eastern Hemisphere...with this new isolationist policy, the Western Hemisphere focuses on mutual economic development, and an eventual political federation like the EU.

We just leave the rest of the world to it's fate...stop trading with them, stop traveling there, and fix our own damn problems. We declare a "nuke-first" policy towards any Eastern nation that messes with us.

"We're busy...leave us the fuck alone and we won't nuke you. Have a nice day."

I have a feeling that many in the Eastern Hemisphere wouldn't mind too much.

I would almost go with that, but i know that we have all this power, and we can't just isolate ourselves from the east. I mean we should try to help out places like sudan, whatever. We have this power, and we should use it for good.

I would almost go with that, but i know that we have all this power, and we can't just isolate ourselves from the east. I mean we should try to help out places like sudan, whatever. We have this power, and we should use it for good.

Sure we can...the world's pretty sick of us sticking our noses where they're not wanted. Let the UN (wherever it winds up) actually do it's job...it's plain that when we do the work for them, it's not appreciated.

Besides, it's not like Latin America doesn't have problems, and they aren't trying to blow us up...maybe if we help raise their standard of living closer to our own, they'll stop "voting in" people like Chavez and Morales.

As for Mexico: They need to become an American state. Plain and simple.
The alternitive is what???!!! Build a fence???!!! American companies continuing to migrate to Mexico for cheaper labour????!!! More and more people drowning in the Rio Grande river???!! This has got to stop and the best solution is all us going out and buying another flag w/ 51 stars!!

Why would Mexico only be one state? There are enough people there to make several, would probably draw them up based on the current Mexican state. Not that I'm saying we should do it.

Relations between the U.S. and Latin American nations (aside from Venezuela and Cuba) are actually pretty good, all things considered.

And I would go a step further...full and complete isolationism of the Western Hemisphere (N & S America) from the Eastern (Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania).

All the major problems in international relations are in the Eastern Hemisphere...with this new isolationist policy, the Western Hemisphere focuses on mutual economic development, and an eventual political federation like the EU.

We just leave the rest of the world to it's fate...stop trading with them, stop traveling there, and fix our own damn problems. We declare a "nuke-first" policy towards any Eastern nation that messes with us.

"We're busy...leave us the fuck alone and we won't nuke you. Have a nice day."

I have a feeling that many in the Eastern Hemisphere wouldn't mind too much.

Er, yeah. Isolationism is sooo good for business. Despite what you think, the US would lose a lot of business by cutting off trading ties with the EU, China, India et al.

It would also be a fanciful dream in this day and age of globalisation to successfully isolate oneself from another part of the world.

Why would Mexico only be one state? There are enough people there to make several, would probably draw them up based on the current Mexican state. Not that I'm saying we should do it.

Good point. But as messed up as things are now, I was thinking along the lines of one step at a time. First we get an agreement to get Mexico to join the US then we figure out how many states would be apropriate.

Good point. But as messed up as things are now, I was thinking along the lines of one step at a time. First we get an agreement to get Mexico to join the US then we figure out how many states would be apropriate.

Well they would probably be a bit more likely to at least consider the idea if they knew that they would be geting the nice block of votes in the new goverment that coming in as multiple states would bring.

Why would Mexico only be one state? There are enough people there to make several, would probably draw them up based on the current Mexican state. Not that I'm saying we should do it.

Mexico already is an 'Estados Unidos' (or are, of course...).

Mexico already is an 'Estados Unidos' (or are, of course...).

Yeah so there are already states that could be used in the event of a union between it an the US.

Er, yeah. Isolationism is sooo good for business. Despite what you think, the US would lose a lot of business by cutting off trading ties with the EU, China, India et al.

It would also be a fanciful dream in this day and age of globalisation to successfully isolate oneself from another part of the world.

Of course the U.S. would lose a lot of buisness by cutting off ties to the Eastern Hemisphere. Do you think I am unaware of this fact?

Besides...what happens to the EU, China and India etc when we stop trading with them...as you seem to be arguing, it's a two-way street.

I'll wager the U.S. weathers that blow far better than any country mentioned so far.

I still think the long-term benefits of a politically united and economically powerful Western Hemisphere far outweigh any short-term setbacks from new economic and trade policies.

The whole point is to redirect all our efforts closer to home...if we stopped importing from China and increased imports from Brazil, Peru and Mexico etc., do you think Latin America would begrudge us our new policy??

If we stopped sinking money into a bloated military by eliminating the need for so much power projection, do you not think we could then redirect it to improve the infastructure of our neighbors, thus increasing the economic productivity of the entire hemisphere?

It's an extreme plan, to be sure...but that does not mean it would not work.

Of course the U.S. would lose a lot of buisness by cutting off ties to the Eastern Hemisphere. Do you think I am unaware of this fact? Seemingly so.


Besides...what happens to the EU, China and India etc when we stop trading with them...as you seem to be arguing, it's a two-way street.
I'll tell you what happens- the EU, China, India et al look at America, then look at each other and say "Fuck it. Wanna trade between ourselves? " "Yeah, suits me." "Fine with me". "Cool". America: "....shit....."


I'll wager the U.S. weathers that blow far better than any country mentioned so far.
What are you basing that on? America suddenly becomes self sustaining? Or maybe the economic powerhouses of Mexico and Latin America (excluding the non-friendly South American states) will fill the gap in the market that was left by the 2 billion people markets in China/India and what, 5 of the G8 powers? Please.

The whole point is to redirect all our efforts closer to home...if we stopped importing from China and increased imports from Brazil, Peru and Mexico etc., do you think Latin America would begrudge us our new policy??
Yes. Its called 'payback'. They don't necessarily like the United States- the whole thing about interfering in their democratic process for the past century or so, installing puppet tin pot dictators etc etc doesn't really endear America to many South/Latin American states or companies.


If we stopped sinking money into a bloated military by eliminating the need for so much power projection, do you not think we could then redirect it to improve the infastructure of our neighbors, thus increasing the economic productivity of the entire hemisphere?
Stop spending on the military?! You're havin' a laugh!

The current administration is in the grips of an ideology that favors trying to make over the world in our image.

I'm talking about US relations with Latin America. I really want the US to focus more on this key area. Especially in places like Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, and Cuba. Here is what I have in mind

Cuba- End the 40 yr old terrorist actions agains the Cuban people, aka the Cuban Embargo. The Cold War is over, its time for us to build a strong relation with the island that at one time was considered to be a part of the US.

Mexico- Work with the immigration problems. Obviously this ticks off a lot of US americans, and plus its good for a nation to retain its people. We need to help the mexican government set up better paying jobs, a better social system etc.. to encourage the retention of Mexican citizens.

Chile and Argentina- Both have faced economic and human rights crises in the past. The US needs to fix what it did in the 70s when it allowed the oppressive Junta in argentina, and Pinochet in Chile, take power.

Venezuela- Obviously there is bad blood between Chavez and Bush, again this goes to the whole thing about the Cold war being over, its time to realize that if a country wants a leftist leader, then thats their choice, and we should have no say in it what so ever. We need to build good relations with this government, and take advantage of its oil output.

Of course there are many other nations such as El salvador, nicaragua, brazil etc where the US needs to go in and give more aid, and help gov't stabilize. I also think NAFTA needs to be suspended, as it only exploits cheap labour.


So what do you think?

Have you ever had anything bad to say about any leftist regime anywhere on Earth?

And "terrorist actions" against Cuba? Have another bong hit, pal. :rolleyes:

Have you ever had anything bad to say about any leftist regime anywhere on Earth?

And "terrorist actions" against Cuba? Have another bong hit, pal. :rolleyes:

stalin was bad..there, better for you? And what the difference between systematically starving a population, and flying planes into buildings? they both result in death of civillians, just through different means.

Have you ever had anything bad to say about any leftist regime anywhere on Earth?

And "terrorist actions" against Cuba? Have another bong hit, pal. :rolleyes:without taking a count I would say bad right wing regimes far outnumber bad leftist ones, left leaning countries are by nature non agressive...even totalarian Soviet Union invaded and attacked far fewer countries than the USA. China other than Tibet, a brief skirmish with Vietnam hasn't attacked any other country(Korea does not count).

"terrorist actions against Cuba" Bay of Pigs was most definitely a terrorist action-the US harboring a known terroist who bombed a Cuban airliner is no different than the Taliban giving Osama shelter
years of ruinous embargos for no reason impoverishing the country, Cuba doesn't deserve this, there are far worse regimes the US enjoys normal relations with Saddam's was a favourite at one time, China is no better...
and for what reason? so Presidential canidates don't lose any cuban votes in Florida

stalin was bad..there, better for you? And what the difference between systematically starving a population, and flying planes into buildings? they both result in death of civillians, just through different means.

So far as I know, only the U.S. has sanctions against Cuba. Almost every other nation in the world trades with it. Rhodesia, on the other hand, had every nation except South Africa and Portugal impose sanctions on it, yet there was no starvation in Rhodesia. Cuba received the equivalent of 8 Marshall Plans from the former Soviet Union, yet has a population only the fraction of Western Europe's. Did you know that pre-Castro Cuba was a First World country? Cuba has no one to blame for the state of its economy but Castro. Castro and the elite are very wealthy and live in luxury, while espousing rhetoric about "socialism" and letting the peoples' plight grow more and more miserable.

stalin was bad..there, better for you? And what the difference between systematically starving a population, and flying planes into buildings? they both result in death of civillians, just through different means.

You mean, the US doesn't give them money and their leaders, who live very comfortably, don't either.

So far as I know, only the U.S. has sanctions against Cuba. Almost every other nation in the world trades with it. Rhodesia, on the other hand, had every nation except South Africa and Portugal impose sanctions on it, yet there was no starvation in Rhodesia. Cuba received the equivalent of 8 Marshall Plans from the former Soviet Union, yet has a population only the fraction of Western Europe's. Did you know that pre-Castro Cuba was a First World country? Cuba has no one to blame for the state of its economy but Castro. Castro and the elite are very wealthy and live in luxury, while espousing rhetoric about "socialism" and letting the peoples' plight grow more and more miserable.no starvation in Zimbabwe WTF! this is the government that is trying to kill off political opponents by starvation-

Cuba a 1st world country? you are totally delusional-pre castro cuba had a literacy rate of about 7% and was overun by the mafia...Cuba is the US's fault before the Soviet Union came to Cuba's aid Castro approached the US for aid but was told to F.O...