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My friend got this in an email, and sent it to me. This is absolutly disgusting. If i were an idiot, i'd surely believe this.



October 11, 2006

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What if the Liberals Win in November?

Dear So and so,


How important are the upcoming elections? Extremely important! Below is a list of what we can expect if the liberals win. These elections are crucial. It is vitally important that you vote. Please vote and encourage others to do the same. As bad as things are, they will be infinitely worse if the liberals win.

The strategy of the liberals is to get Values Voters so disgusted and discouraged that they will not vote. If that happens, the liberals will have achieved their goal and they will be running our country.

Here is what we can expect if the liberals win:



Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.

A push to make homosexual marriage and polygamy legal in all 50 states.

Only liberal judges will be appointed. They will create laws to implement the social agenda liberals cannot get passed through the legislative process.

Liberals will make the killing of the unborn more difficult to stop.

Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.

A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time. Every conservative talk show host will be forced to give a liberal equal time on every issue. The purpose of this rule will be to shut down conservative talk shows.

An increase in taxes to push new social programs.

Passing a new "hate crimes" law making it illegal to refer to homosexuality in a negative manner.

Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.

We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.
Go Vote! Encourage Others To Do The Same.

Some of it makes me want to vote liberal. The conservatives fail.

Some of it makes me want to vote liberal. The conservatives fail.

I love how we baby eating, immigrant loving, homosexual molesting liberals are portrayed in such a positive light :D

I love how we baby eating, immigrant loving, homosexual molesting liberals are portrayed in such a positive light :D

Don't be disgusting, I don't eat babies. I wear them.

Some of it makes me want to vote liberal. The conservatives fail.

F$&k em both. I am voting 3rd party.

Can you respond with a pipe bomb?

Can you respond with a pipe bomb?

Wouldn't it be nice :)

I would respond to those accusations bit-by-bit, but it's just plain not worth it. Instead, I will respond to what Glenn Beck said on CNN Headline News last night.

He spouted off a bunch of figures and said we wouldn't hear about some of them because the "liberal media" didn't want us to, and that only he was giving the real story.

According to him, we'd hear a lot about 655,000, the number of dead Iraqis since the start of the war. What we wouldn't hear is 69, the percentage killed by fellow Iraqis, or rather, not killed by Americans. Guess what? That means 31 percent of them WERE killed by Americans. That's about 200,000 Iraqi civilians killed by Americans. It's not the slightly more breathtaking 655,000, but it's six figures. Aside from that, how many Iraqis died in the oil-for-food crapola? Maybe about 655,000 would have died because of that from March 2003 up to now, but think about this - the West is killing fewer of them. All it means is there's less blood on our hands. We're not saving any lives.

He also said the Dow closed at 11,000-something and that the economy was in great shape. It was breaking its own records. Well gee whiz, if the Dow goes up at 11% a year, it damn well should break its own records. Fuel prices are all over the place, oil companies are making ridiculous profits whil we pay through the nose, and jobs are going overseas. Could Bush and Co. do something about this? I'm sure he could try. Is he? Nope. he's encouraging it. Why not just piss on an American worker while we're at it, Dubya?

Then he goes on to say that liberals were against the tax cuts "because they weren't helping" or whatever. He goes on to accuse "liberals" of trying to redistribute wealth, thus invoking "socialism," which "we all know" is just a median between capitalism and communism. Oh jeez, so if you're a liberal who opposed the Bush tax cuts, you're a communist. Godwin's Law needs a variant, and that variant needs to be invoked.

Also, he said we would hear a lot about 248,000,000,000, which was the 2006 budget deficit. At the same time, 22.3 was the percentage by which it dropped, and Bush should be PRAISED. OK, yeah, sure. Do we praise a corporation than dropped its losses by 22.3%, when they're still losing, say, $248 million? Hell no; we call for the CEO's head on a platter. Do we praise a school bonehead for bringing that 30% from their last test up to a 36.7% because it's an increase of 22.3%? That's fucking laughable. Yes, Congress and the Bush Administration are fucking up royally. No, they don't deserve praise for fucking up less royally. And yes, it's about high-time we got some people in Congress whose vote strategy is a little more robust than "OK, Mr. President, whatever you say."

Don't be disgusting, I don't eat babies. I wear them.
I hope you don't waste the nice, tasty meat and feed it to someone else.

But yeah: Least. Effective. Propaganda. EVER!

My favorite parts are:
Liberals will make the killing of the unborn more difficult to stop.
Sweet undertones of desperation.

A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time.
Because, you know, fairness = evil.

and of course:
Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.
Meanwhile, another book due out by the end of this year, called "Tempting Faith," is apparently all about how the Bush administration has been lying to the religious right all this time, stringing them along with jingoistic rhetoric and pretend legislation that never gets any funding, just to keep them voting as a solid block, while referring to them as "the nuts" behind their backs. This was written by a guy named Cho who was a Bush Whitehouse staffer who worked on bringing evangelicals into the political fold. I remember hearing about him when Bush was putting his cabinet together. He's a Christian true-believer himself and recently quit the Bush team in anger and wrote this book. He's been promoting its upcoming release.

To quote an old saying: Very interesting, if true.

Oh, but I guess what makes the liberals anti-God is that they don't lie to Christians to steal their votes.

It's true, the American people know it, and it's why the Donkocrat Party will not seize power in November :D

The only way San Fran Nan Pelosi will ever see the inside of the Speaker's office is by invitation from the Republican speaker.

I love how we baby eating, immigrant loving, homosexual molesting liberals are portrayed in such a positive light :D

What makes me laff is the vitorl spewed forth that the term Liberal evokes.

Liberal:

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.


Sooooo libralisim, the realm of understanding and personal freedom. I guess anybody who cannot agree with this must just be a facist then huh!

It's true, the American people know it, and it's why the Donkocrat Party will not seize power in November :D

The only way San Fran Nan Pelosi will ever see the inside of the Speaker's office is by invitation from the Republican speaker.

You're only right because the Republicans always cheat, and by cheat, I mean campaign to the biggest idiots in the country in language they understand.

I doubt the GOP will hang onto Hastert as Speaker for too much longer, though.

An increase in taxes to push new social programs. and this is a BAD thing? :eek:

According to him, we'd hear a lot about 655,000, the number of dead Iraqis since the start of the war. What we wouldn't hear is 69, the percentage killed by fellow Iraqis, or rather, not killed by Americans. Guess what? That means 31 percent of them WERE killed by Americans. That's about 200,000 Iraqi civilians killed by Americans. It's not the slightly more breathtaking 655,000, but it's six figures. Aside from that, how many Iraqis died in the oil-for-food crapola? Maybe about 655,000 would have died because of that from March 2003 up to now, but think about this - the West is killing fewer of them. All it means is there's less blood on our hands. We're not saving any lives.

Firstly, the 31% figure is wrong. A fair wedge of those not killed by their fellow countrymen were killed by soldiers from other Coalition armies, do not belittle their contribution and overlook the immense danger they placed themselves in.

But as for the remainder, give the Coalition some credit, I'm sure some (if not the overwhelming majority) of that number were a clear and present danger to Iraqi society. Our militaries' tactics are not to blindly cull all Iraqis, they know that the antiwar folks are rightly watching over them to assure that does not happen, they have been clearly only engaging armed combatants who seek to bring death and destruction to the Iraqi people and state. I do not doubt that there are civilian casualties caught in the crossfire, but that is truly unavoidable.

Overall, it is Coalition activity that is stopping the number of Iraqis killing Iraqis becoming much higher. For every time we kill the masterminds behind the latest car bomb attack, we are indeed saving lives.

Some of it makes me want to vote liberal. The conservatives fail.

Ifreanne, if I had it with me I'd give you another Seal.

They're using WDT6. :p

E-cookie for the reference.

Kinda makes the republicans sound even more like a bunch of brainwashed, idiotic nazi-drones.

Seriously though, this email would be much more likely to increase liberal votes, purely out of disgust with the republican message inside it, or it would in the UK anyway. The only people who would believe this bull would be 14 year old teenage girls who think they're qualified to change the world for the better. Or maybe a few other people with the IQ of said teenage girls.

Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.

Didn't the current president also offer amnesty? Personally if it was up to me, I would give them a chance to either go through the whole process, while giving them temp. Work cards so that they can contiune to work and get their citizenship the right way. For those who don't do things the legal way the second time, they get deported. I will also enact laws to make companies pay the illegals the same wages as they pay citizens. Thus removing any reasons to hire illegals over citizens. Finally, instead of a pussified 700 miles fence. I will put up a 50 foot tall wall across the border and increase the amount of people on border patrol. Also arm them with assault rifles.

A push to make homosexual marriage and polygamy legal in all 50 states.

and we all know that if queers get married, the end of the world will come! :rolleyes:

Only liberal judges will be appointed. They will create laws to implement the social agenda liberals cannot get passed through the legislative process.

What social adgenda? See, this is why I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, he always talk about the social agenda designed by the liberals, but he never bothers to explain what their social adgenda is.

Liberals will make the killing of the unborn more difficult to stop.

It's pretty hard to stop right now, the only other thing they can do is make a Do-it-yourself abortion kit.


Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.


Meanwhile, kids in California get to live life as a Muslium for 3 weeks. But of course it's not religious indoctrintation, but now it's time to pray towards Mecca.


A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time. Every conservative talk show host will be forced to give a liberal equal time on every issue. The purpose of this rule will be to shut down conservative talk shows.

Actually the "Fairness Doctrine" is pretty stupid. I mean comon, freedom of speech means that you can say whatever you want, and that you don't have to be fair about it. If any of these Conservative talk show host say something you don't like, then CALL IN, they do take your calls you know. Otherwise find some other way to show you disagree with it. But to force the host to make equal time under the guise of fairness is stupid.


An increase in taxes to push new social programs.


Once again I ask what are these social programs? Also, This is a reason why Democrats may not win the house back. People vote with their money, and if the message of the Democrats is that we'll rollback the Bush's tax cuts, then they're not getting elected.


Passing a new "hate crimes" law making it illegal to refer to homosexuality in a negative manner.

Never really understood hate crimes. Lets say you beat up a man of your own color, you get assault. However if the man happen to be a diffrent color, then it's a "hate crime". So, what make "hate crimes" so special? If you beat up a guy then you should be charged with assault, regardless of race, religion, sexuality, or lifestyle.


Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.

I'm still reasearching on whether our constitution is only for citizens or everyone that resides within our borders (including militatry base)


We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.
Go Vote! Encourage Others To Do The Same.

Well I pray to God, Jesus and Mary that we get out of Iraq sometime! God knows we don't need to be there in 2050!

OMIGOSH!
You mean that people use stupid e-mail messages to try to force/coerce people into voting for their party?!

LIEK NO WAI NS! U R CRAZY!

Dang... I like most of those.
Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.As Wilgrove pointed out, didn't Bush offer the same?
A push to make homosexual marriage and polygamy legal in all 50 states.Yup.
Only liberal judges will be appointed. They will create laws to implement the social agenda liberals cannot get passed through the legislative process.Yeah, because the Judiciary usually writes up bills and passes them. Way to go, you fail at basic government fundamentals.
Liberals will make the killing of the unborn more difficult to stop.Depending on "how difficult", not a problem.
Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.It's only been around for 50 years. If no God-mentioning was good enough for the founding fathers and the people that wrote the original pledge of alliegance, why isn't it good enough for us?
A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time. Every conservative talk show host will be forced to give a liberal equal time on every issue. The purpose of this rule will be to shut down conservative talk shows.Fearmongering. I would have a problem with this being done, but luckily, liberals are centrists and therefore quite capitalist.
An increase in taxes to push new social programs.Good idea. A tax on gasoline might discourage driving and make public transportation more attractive. The funds could be used for programs helping single moms.
Passing a new "hate crimes" law making it illegal to refer to homosexuality in a negative manner.Fearmongering.
Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.That's pretty misleading, as the way that is worded, one could assume that foreign terrorists would be allowed to vote in elections, just like real US citizens. But those aside, it would be nice not to have a double standard on how people should be treated before the law.
We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.Fearmongering. Kerry was against it when he ran.

I just...


ahhh...

nevermind.

I'm leaving. This country is through. :(

An increase in taxes to push new social programs. and this is a BAD thing? :eek:

Yes. Because many people (me included) are not big fans of taxes or social programs.

And I'm guessing this is their campaign poster too!
http://home.maine.rr.com/waassaap/Forum%20Pictures/liberals.jpg

/propaganda

*snip*
For every time we kill the masterminds behind the latest car bomb attack, we are indeed saving lives.

No, sorry. Every time we kill a "mastermind", six more sprout up to replace him. That's progress....

So if liberals win I finally get to order that Baby Juicer I've long wanted?

What a relief. I wasn't sure how much longer I could survive without my delicious baby smoothies.

So if liberals win I finally get to order that Baby Juicer I've long wanted?

What a relief. I wasn't sure how much longer I could survive without my delicious baby smoothies.

You know what's awesome is using the juice of dead babies to grease the buttholes of your multiple gay lovers on your honeymoon while you're all porking each other in the fart tanks on a bed of food stamps. :)

You know what's awesome is using the juice of dead babies to grease the buttholes of your multiple gay lovers on your honeymoon while you're all porking each other in the fart tanks on a bed of food stamps. :)

WHEW! I thought I was the only one that did that! :p

Only liberal judges will get appointed?
You mean like the way they've been appointing conservative judges lately?

See, what I love is the bit where some folks scream about how they are going to be in the minority and be told to sit down and shut up.... while they are doing the same to 49% of the country.

What's that word again..... I forget... starts with an h...?

what an odd list. most of it is more or less true and if it would come to pass would be a very good thing.

1) Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.

thats bush's plan. not the democratic plan

2) Only liberal judges will be appointed. They will create laws to implement the social agenda liberals cannot get passed through the legislative process.

damn straight they will. our rights will be enforced for a change.

3) Liberals will make the killing of the unborn more difficult to stop.

yes liberals are in favor of abortion rights.

4) Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.

liberals in the US tend to be christians. they do however tend to uphold the seperation of church and state. following the constitution is a good thing.

5) A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time. Every conservative talk show host will be forced to give a liberal equal time on every issue. The purpose of this rule will be to shut down conservative talk shows.

wouldnt it be a pity of rush limbaugh, sean hannity, michael savage and that awful beck guy had to be FAIR. its not on the agenda however. there is a faint chance that someone might make the radio stations carry opposing viewpoints but im thinking not.

6) An increase in taxes to push new social programs.

no. it will be an increase in taxes to pay for the programs we already have.

7) Passing a new "hate crimes" law making it illegal to refer to homosexuality in a negative manner.

havent heard of this one either but it does show a lack of understanding of how the legal system of the US works.

8) Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.

yes liberals will want the constitution to remain in effect.

9) We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.

yes we will have to withdraw from iraq some day. we didnt go in to create a new section of the american empire in the middle east. no matter if its next week or 50 years from now "the terrorists" will claim victory. its just what they do.

10) A push to make homosexual marriage and polygamy legal in all 50 states.

oops i missed this one. also a misunderstanding of how the US system works. marriage is and should remain a state matter. the federal government has no business telling the states how to define marriage.

gay people will continue to push for full legal rights no matter who is elected.


and this stuff is supposed to SCARE someone? i live for the day when most of these things come to pass.

Some of it makes me want to vote liberal. The conservatives fail.

Ditto. Most of it at any rate.

You know what's awesome is using the juice of dead babies to grease the buttholes of your multiple gay lovers on your honeymoon while you're all porking each other in the fart tanks on a bed of food stamps. :)


you just gave me a woody

Meanwhile, kids in California get to live life as a Muslium for 3 weeks. But of course it's not religious indoctrintation, but now it's time to pray towards Mecca.

Not quite.

Snopes! (http://www.snopes.com/religion/islam.htm)

Snopes is teh win.

Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.

I want to see them all deported

A push to make homosexual marriage and polygamy legal in all 50 states.

I don't mind, if it is consenting adults it should be legal.

Only liberal judges will be appointed. They will create laws to implement the social agenda liberals cannot get passed through the legislative process.

Judges biased to far to either side are not good for the country.

Liberals will make the killing of the unborn more difficult to stop.

Abortion should be legal in all cases.

Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.

I have no problem either way.

A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time. Every conservative talk show host will be forced to give a liberal equal time on every issue. The purpose of this rule will be to shut down conservative talk shows.

Should be up to the network. It is theirs whatever they want to air.

An increase in taxes to push new social programs.

I want to see reduction in social programs.

Passing a new "hate crimes" law making it illegal to refer to homosexuality in a negative manner.

No "hate crime" laws, make it fair for everyone.

Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.

Only American CITIZENS have rights under the constitution, others have no rights.

We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.
Go Vote! Encourage Others To Do The Same.

Shouldn't have invaded Iraq but would be a strategic mistake to leave.

You know what's awesome is using the juice of dead babies to grease the buttholes of your multiple gay lovers on your honeymoon while you're all porking each other in the fart tanks on a bed of food stamps. :)

Sounds fun! I'll have to try it sometime. :)

I'm a fervent opponent of hate crimes legislation, but otherwise those socialy conservative positions are quite distasteful. I've never understood why anyone would support them.

No, sorry. Every time we kill a "mastermind", six more sprout up to replace him. That's progress....

No. Don't you remember the 2000 campaign? Bush said he was dyslexic. He misread the number line so that the number after two is two. That's why we keep killing the number 2 guy.

Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.

I want to see them all deported

What a shame your president doesn't.
Only liberal judges will be appointed. They will create laws to implement the social agenda liberals cannot get passed through the legislative process.

Judges biased to far to either side are not good for the country.

So then it's time to undo some of the bias judge appointment that took place under 20 years of republican rule that Clinton did nothing to stop?

A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time. Every conservative talk show host will be forced to give a liberal equal time on every issue. The purpose of this rule will be to shut down conservative talk shows.

Should be up to the network. It is theirs whatever they want to air.

Actually, it isn't. It's the public airwaves. They license them. Part of the licensing agreement is that in exchange for collecting huge amounts of money from this valuable resource, they have to provide programing for the public good. Inform them. They're not supposed to use them to brainwash us because we, the people, own them. Cable is another matter.

An increase in taxes to push new social programs.

I want to see reduction in social programs.

And that's the thing that conservatives these days don't get. It's supposed to be reduce taxes and reduce spending. Conservative politicians these days are increasing spending and taxes. They're pretending that we can act like teenagers with a credit card, and you're buying it.

Passing a new "hate crimes" law making it illegal to refer to homosexuality in a negative manner.

No "hate crime" laws, make it fair for everyone.

The email doesn't even know what hate crimes are. I'm against hate crimes too, but they could at least try to hide their ignorance before infecting others with it.

Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.

Only American CITIZENS have rights under the constitution, others have no rights.

That's both wrong and incorrect. The constitution refers to persons, not citizens. The Constitution is a document concerned with what is right and wrong for a government to do. If it's wrong to do it to someone born here, it's wrong to do it to someone born somewhere else. And they're not terrorists until a court of their peers says so.

We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.
Go Vote! Encourage Others To Do The Same.

Shouldn't have invaded Iraq but would be a strategic mistake to leave.

This is the same bullshit that was spouted in Vietnam. We made it worse when we went there. We're not making it any better by staying. Ever see those pratfall comics where they accidentally drop one think in a store and end up knocking everything else over in their clumsy attempts to fix it? That's us in Iraq, except not funny. Like that character, we should just admit that we were wrong and leave having the decency to be ashamed of ourselves for such a monumental cock-up. And it's ironic with all the Francophobia coming from the conservatives these days that the administration is trying so hard to emulate inspector Clouseau.

Am I the only one who caught the irony in the ranting against "equal time" when they're trying to do the same thing in science classrooms?

I love how we baby eating, immigrant loving, homosexual molesting liberals are portrayed in such a positive light :D

Yay us!

Only American CITIZENS have rights under the constitution, others have no rights.

A common misunderstanding.

What a shame your president doesn't.

Yes, it is a shame. I am no fan of George W. Bush.

So then it's time to undo some of the bias judge appointment that took place under 20 years of republican rule that Clinton did nothing to stop?

How would you suggest undoing them?

Actually, it isn't. It's the public airwaves. They license them. Part of the licensing agreement is that in exchange for collecting huge amounts of money from this valuable resource, they have to provide programing for the public good. Inform them. They're not supposed to use them to brainwash us because we, the people, own them. Cable is another matter.

True but it is somewhere they the government should not regulate. It should be a private enterprise.

And that's the thing that conservatives these days don't get. It's supposed to be reduce taxes and reduce spending. Conservative politicians these days are increasing spending and taxes. They're pretending that we can act like teenagers with a credit card, and you're buying it.

I do not like what either party is doing. It is just that I think the republican party is the lesser evil.

The email doesn't even know what hate crimes are. I'm against hate crimes too, but they could at least try to hide their ignorance before infecting others with it.

What?

That's both wrong and incorrect. The constitution refers to persons, not citizens. The Constitution is a document concerned with what is right and wrong for a government to do. If it's wrong to do it to someone born here, it's wrong to do it to someone born somewhere else. And they're not terrorists until a court of their peers says so.

It was my own opinion, I think the only people that should have rights are Citizens, ofcourse that is not to say we should hurt the people we capture needlessly. Some of what I have written here is not so but it is only an opinion.

This is the same bullshit that was spouted in Vietnam. We made it worse when we went there. We're not making it any better by staying. Ever see those pratfall comics where they accidentally drop one think in a store and end up knocking everything else over in their clumsy attempts to fix it? That's us in Iraq, except not funny. Like that character, we should just admit that we were wrong and leave having the decency to be ashamed of ourselves for such a monumental cock-up. And it's ironic with all the Francophobia coming from the conservatives these days that the administration is trying so hard to emulate inspector Clouseau.

Vietnam was a disgrace. The way in which that war was conducted was terrible. We could have won it and we should have won it but our leadership was not willing to take the needed measures. Though now it is over and their is no need to revisit that issue.

Since we toppled their government it would suit us best to see that Iraq gets a new government.

A common misunderstanding.

I was speaking of how it would be in a perfect America.

I wonder who writes these pieces of propaganda. I end up with at least a few in my mailbox every moth. I wonder if its just one person, or if there are party ties.

F$&k em both. I am voting 3rd party.

Me to.

Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.
Um, like you would honestly rather be the one cleaning the hotel toilets.:rolleyes:
Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.
Anyone heard of seperation of church and state? Because the founding fathers didn't seem to have such an issue with it.
An increase in taxes to push new social programs.
:mad: This really pisses me off. Isn't one of the big moral issues of the Bible all about helping thine neighbor? So why can't the well-off people spare some of their doe (which they most likely won't miss in the long-run) to help the needy and sick and uneducated?
Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.
If by rights you mean the right to a trial (Geneva convention) and the right to not be subjected to having your testicles electro-shocked or being water-boarded or being harassed by dogs or being led to believe that your loved ones are in great pain or any other horrible torture that is cruelly used, then yes we will give them rights!
We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.
Hmmmm... You mean the terrorists that wouldn't even be in Iraq if we weren't there?

Got some people are annoying... :sniper:

I was speaking of how it would be in a perfect America.

Oh! Then you are a vile disgusting human being.

I wonder who writes these pieces of propaganda. I end up with at least a few in my mailbox every moth. I wonder if its just one person, or if there are party ties.

I bet they're on the payroll of the party.

Oh! Then you are a vile disgusting human being.

No need to insult me. I would not insult you because of your opinions.

Ifreanne, if I had it with me I'd give you another Seal.
Yay :fluffle:
And I'm guessing this is their campaign poster too!
http://home.maine.rr.com/waassaap/Forum%20Pictures/liberals.jpg

/propaganda
As long as I can keep wearing my baby shoes.
Not quite.

Snopes! (http://www.snopes.com/religion/islam.htm)

Curses, beaten too it.

Yes. Because many people (me included) are not big fans of taxes or social programs.


Can I ask why?

I like how the leaflet written presumeably by republicans assumes republicans are homophobic.

I like how the leaflet written presumeably by republicans assumes republicans are homophobic.

No silly, conservative is the opposite of liberal.

No silly, conservative is the opposite of liberal.

Ok, I like how the writers of this e-mail are openly trying to attract homophopes to vote for and support the republican party.

Which if I was a republican I would probably be pretty pissed off that my party was being presented as the party of homophobia.

It was my own opinion, I think the only people that should have rights are Citizens, ofcourse that is not to say we should hurt the people we capture needlessly. Some of what I have written here is not so but it is only an opinion.


Think about this for a minute. Imagine that that was the norm. You cannot go after any insurgent since american outside of the US have no rights. I can go around and kill foreigners with impunity since they have no rights.

How do you fancy being mugged, going to the police and get laughed out of the building or worse, being beaten for wasting valuable police time.

THAT is what entails giving no rights to non-citizens. Think about it.

Meanwhile, another book due out by the end of this year, called "Tempting Faith," is apparently all about how the Bush administration has been lying to the religious right all this time, stringing them along with jingoistic rhetoric and pretend legislation that never gets any funding, just to keep them voting as a solid block, while referring to them as "the nuts" behind their backs. This was written by a guy named Cho who was a Bush Whitehouse staffer who worked on bringing evangelicals into the political fold. I remember hearing about him when Bush was putting his cabinet together. He's a Christian true-believer himself and recently quit the Bush team in anger and wrote this book. He's been promoting its upcoming release.

To quote an old saying: Very interesting, if true.

Oh, but I guess what makes the liberals anti-God is that they don't lie to Christians to steal their votes.

If this is true, Bush has my repect. Brilliant!

Ok, I like how the writers of this e-mail are openly trying to attract homophopes to vote for and support the republican party.

Which if I was a republican I would probably be pretty pissed off that my party was being presented as the party of homophobia.

Well at least they aren't claiming to be intelligent or politcally savvy.

An increase in taxes to push new social programs. and this is a BAD thing? :eek:

quite. most of the things on the list made me want to vote democrat... i love how the same policy can be a great thing to one person, and evil to another. bloody politics.

now, if this email had backed up their points with rational arguement rather than just relying on inflamatory speech, then it might have been less stupid.

All of that actually sounds very, very positive indeed to me.

What's the problem with that?

No need to insult me. I would not insult you because of your opinions.

Yes there is.

You are advocating removal the rights of all non-Americans in America, meaning that if you got your way, I, or anyone I cared about were to travel to the United States that we could be summarly executed without access to the Law. That is what the removal of rights means, you advocating that me, my family and friends should be treated as subhumans simply for being in your country.

The opening intro is almost complete gibberish (what the fuck are 'Value Voters'?) and the rest wasn't so hot, either.

And note how they don't tell us WHO to vote for, they just say a bunch of crap about liberals and encourage us to vote (without naming a spefic party in any context).

And note how they don't tell us WHO to vote for, they just say a bunch of crap about liberals and encourage us to vote (without naming a spefic party in any context).

Of course they didn't. Telling people who to vote for would be unethical, telling them who not to vote for though is acceptable.

Well, everyone else was doing it, so I guess I have to...

Amnesty for 12,000,000 illegal immigrants.

Right, because the liberals are the ones exploiting their illegal status by paying them almost nothing for hours of work. And Dubya must be a liberal for wanting to give them amnesty. Does this count asw "making shit up" or "accusing the other side of shit that we actually did"?

A push to make homosexual marriage and polygamy legal in all 50 states.

Nah, we're just putting it in a few test markets for now, like the New England states. Gay marriage, that is. Polygamy? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I've never heard any politician want to legalize polygamy.

Only liberal judges will be appointed. They will create laws to implement the social agenda liberals cannot get passed through the legislative process.

Right, because judges create laws. That's exactly how it works. Go take a civics course. And if the evul libruls take over Congress, wouldn't they get a few things they want passed?

Liberals will make the killing of the unborn more difficult to stop.

By doing what? Upholding a legitimate Supreme Court decision from 33 years ago? How are they going to make it more difficult to stop? By passing a law that arms every pregnant woman with an AK-47? That might do it...you know what, it's just easier to call this guy a fuck head.

Liberals will continue to try to rid our society of Christian influence, including any reference to God in our Pledge and on our currency.

Right, because we're a theocracy, and this First Amendment that says there won't be an established religion appears only in the dreams of mental patients and drunken sheep.

A return to the "Fairness Doctrine" in broadcasting where opposing views must be given equal time. Every conservative talk show host will be forced to give a liberal equal time on every issue. The purpose of this rule will be to shut down conservative talk shows.

Ah-ha! There we have it! The only way the conservatives think they can win is by shutting out their opponents from the airwaves! It all makes sense now...

An increase in taxes to push new social programs.

As opposed to a tax cut or six that goes along with increased spending for a war that was really a bad idea anyway...sending thousands of Marines to their deaths in Iraq and leaving countless parents with dead sons, all the while turning Iraq into a chaotic hellhole from which no good can come, and ultimately unleashing the evil that is Fred Phelps on all of us...in terms of great moves, this ranks right up there with Napoleon invading Russia.

Passing a new "hate crimes" law making it illegal to refer to homosexuality in a negative manner.

Right, because the liberals don't believe int he First Amendment...that whole thing about mental patients and drunken sheep; it's all true...

Liberals will give terrorists from other countries who try to kill Americans the same rights American citizens enjoy under our constitution.

Because we all know that applying the Geneva Convention to enemy combatants is the same as rolling out the red carpet to our new, wonderful Islamic fucknut leaders.

We will withdraw from Iraq, sending the message to the terrorists that if they will just be patient they can win and bring their terrorist acts to the U.S.

Can you describe the taste of woolly mammoth? Lemme say this in terms you can understand: ugg ugg lib rul bad ugg ugg kill food ugg ugg invade Iraq ugg ugg

Go Vote! Encourage Others To Do The Same.

Right. I'll remember that. I'll just tell them to vote for these liberals just so I can see you shit yourself when they get elected.

Of course they didn't. Telling people who to vote for would be unethical, telling them who not to vote for though is acceptable.

its possible that the email refers to liberals and conservatives because it came from a minister or church organization. churches can lose their tax exempt status if they start endorsing political parties.

And that's the thing that conservatives these days don't get. It's supposed to be reduce taxes and reduce spending.
Why doesn't either party campagin for this?