NationStates Jolt Archive

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.
18 to vote.
16 for alcoholic drinks of ABV 3% or less, 18 for over 3%.
21 for cigarettes (just so there's longer to teach people that they really are killing themselves).
Sex whenever, really. That's determined by human nature.

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.


should be 16 for everything except straight spririts which should be 18 or supervised at 16. maybe 14 for sex but only with fully comprehensive sex ed and free contraceptives for under 18s.

Sex whenever
Beer at 16, other alcohol at 18
Vote at 18
Cigarettes 16
Driver's licence 18

18 to vote.
16 for alcoholic drinks of ABV 3% or less, 18 for over 3%.
21 for cigarettes (just so there's longer to teach people that they really are killing themselves).
Sex whenever, really. That's determined by human nature.
14 for beer, 16 for wine, 18 for 20%+
14 for sex (with solid sex ed, could be lower if person understands the possible consequences)
18 for cigarettes
5 or 75 for voting.

I like the system we have here in Holland.

16 for sex, cigarettes, booze under 10%

18 voting, and stronger booze

Teh limits:

adulthood, its privileges, and 73h u53 04 73h drug50r5: 17
sex:

14- 14 to 16
15- 14 to 17
16- 15 to 18
17- any above 14

operation of machinery: just get the licence!

And that's about it...

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.
what are the legal ages or what do we think they should be?

Where I live it is alcohol-18, cigarettes-16, sex-14(but can not be with an authority figure in the younger persons life,ie priest, police, coach/teacher etc.) driving-16

what I think it should be...alcohol-12-13 with a parent present, 16 without
cigarettes-18
sex-16 and the rules listed above(this is greatly debated topic 14 should be the age but there predators around who take advatage of the lower limit)
driving-18

AGES...

14 for Learner's permit
16 for full license
15 for consensual sex (both hetero & homosexual)
17 for alcohol
16 to vote
17 for cigarettes & marijuana
18 for being considered a legal adult
19 for joining the military
18 to marry/divorce
18 for owning property

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.


Here here!

16 for fags

*giggles like a little kid cuz he's American*

18 across the board:

18 for alcohol
18 for cigarettes
18 for sex
18 for drivers license
Senior Citizens of 65 and up mandatory written tests annually and mandatory driving tests every 6 months.

16 alcohol (almost went with 82, but I don't want to be completely shunned)
82 cigarettes (I figure that around that age you're about to die anyhow)
16 sex (why not?)
21 for drivers license (Perhaps a tad bit more responsible, I would hope)

16 for tobacco products.
18 for liquor.
Whenever you feal ready for sex.

Is there any place in the US that sells tobacco products to 16 year olds? Everywhere I go it is 18.

I would generally say 16 for most things, but get rid of the idea that two 14 year olds having sex are breaking the law. a 40 year old having sex with a 14 year old is breaking the law, but the kid is doing nothing wrong.

12 for booze, but ban distilling, so no drinks higher than ~12%
n/a for cigarettes; ban them
no absolute age limit is legislated for sex, but illegal if one of the partners is below 16 and the other is older than 20.
16 for adulthood
16 to vote, but must first pass a test proving intelligence, knowledge, and general competence.
16 for drivers license
16 to marry
16 to join the army
no age limit on the purchase or ownership of pornography.

Oh and this isn't quite on topic but still relevent:

mind altering substances would be organized based on 2 criteria, addictiveness and damage caused, with 3 levels on each:

addictiveness:
1) no risk of dependence,
2) risk of psychologically dependence, or
3) highly addictive

damage caused:
1) no discernable damage caused,
2) chance of some non-fatal harmful effects, or
3) long term and/or fatal effects

If a drug is on level 3 on either scale they're banned. If they're at level 2 on either scale you have to be 18 to purchase or own them, and must have a license to sell and/or produce them. If they're at level 1 they are not controlled at all (beyond standard consumer protection) and freely available.

Sex - 16
Marijuana and Cigarettes - 18
Drivers License - 17
Alcohol and all other drugs* - 21

*(As long as the individual passes a test on the responsibilities and dangers of drug use.)

At 18, one should have full legal rights to sex, drugs, booze, voting, military service and driving. However, I strongly recommend against attempting all 6 simultaneously.

no absolute age limit is legislated for sex, but illegal if one of the partners is below 16 and the other is older than 20.
....
16 to marry


As a matter of interest, if a 15 year old and a 19 year old had sex, would it then become illegal when the 19 year old turned 20?
And i assume the marrying would follow similar rules to sex...?

Anyway, 16 for alcohol under 5%, 18 for anything else
Voting age of 16
Sex - 15
Cigarettes - 21, other drugs would be illegal

As a matter of interest, if a 15 year old and a 19 year old had sex, would it then become illegal when the 19 year old turned 20?
And i assume the marrying would follow similar rules to sex...?

it would become illegal, but that might be considered mitigating circumstances. Also marriage would still only be legal at 16, so the below 16 thing doesn't come into it.

To Mythotic Kelkia:

Because turning 20 years old magically makes it immoral to continue to have sex with someone I have been having sex with for years?

Forget the marriage pretense, the fact that limits are put on differences of age, without regard for previous relationship existance is absurd.

To Mythotic Kelkia:

Because turning 20 years old magically makes it immoral to continue to have sex with someone I have been having sex with for years?

Forget the marriage pretense, the fact that limits are put on differences of age, without regard for previous relationship existance is absurd.

well does turning 16 in current law (in my country at least) magically make it moral to have sex? no - because law isn't morality. 20 is just a nice round figure. Like i said, a continual relationship might be considered mitigating, but I'm guessing it's not very easy to legislate what a "relationship" is.

alcohol: 21
cigarettes: 21
military: 21
driving: 18
legal adult/voting/marriage/property/wtfever: 18
Sex is difficult because a fourteen year old and a sixteen teen year old having sex? Not really a big deal. But a fourteen year old and, say, a twenty year old? That shouldn't be happening. However, things like contraceptives/morning after pills etc. should be available at ANY age.

I suppose for sex? No real age of consent, because if someone is physically old enough to be having sex, I say it's their business, even if I think it's wrong and you shouldn't be having sex until you're old enough to know what you're doing and no, you don't know what you're doing at 15 ty ty. But that's just how I feel, personally.

Unless both parties are eighteen or older (a legal adult under my laws), there can be no more than a three (3) year age gap. (12-15, 13-16, 14-17, 15-18, 16-19, 17-20). (18-100+)

I also think marijuana ought to be legalized, but, like cigarettes, for those 21 or older.

14 for a learner's permit, 17 for a full licence
16 for alcohol, pot, smokes, coke, whatever intoxicant you choose
16 for voting
12 for sex with anyone as old as 24(or maybe 22) (although, realistically, I don't anticipate 12 and 20 year olds starting to hook up and boinking like rabbits just because they can)
15 for sex with anyone, you can finally start trolling Shady Pines Home For The Aged for booty
18 to own property, be sued, sue, get married

Of course, for this to work sex-ed and drug education would have to be revamped, but if anyone complains, I have re-education camps for them.

Sex: Sixteen, or within two years of the other person involved, whichever is lower.
Alcohol: Consumption 16, Purchase 18
Vote 18
Cigarettes: Consumption 16, Purchase 18
Drive 16

Senior Citizens of 65 and up mandatory written tests annually and mandatory driving tests every 6 months.

Beer, Wine,and Marijuana (non fortified, (Yes they do that in the US)brrr!) : 15
Fortified Wine / Distiled alcohol products (Brandy,Irish Whiskey, Scotch (single malt only please)and others too many to name here)and Other Drugs: 18

Smoking Cigarettes/Fags : 16 w/signed statment that they understand the danger of smoking

Marriage / Sex : 13 with the understanding that in case of a pregnancy the couple will be required to marry.

Driving : 15 after passing both a written and road (driving) test with re-testing every two years ( not just "over 65" some people lose the ability long before then)

Military / Voting : 18 Must complete two years service to Vote or hold Office

All else : 21

18 across the board:

18 for alcohol
18 for cigarettes
18 for sex
18 for drivers license
Senior Citizens of 65 and up mandatory written tests annually and mandatory driving tests every 6 months.

B-b-but I want my sex now :( oh well like the law stopped me before I was legal anyways...

14 for beer, 16 for wine, 18 for 20%+
14 for sex (with solid sex ed, could be lower if person understands the possible consequences)
18 for cigarettes
5 or 75 for voting.
Let's add a few:
12 for pornographic material (again *only* with solid sex ed in place)
16 for working age and other short term contracts
18 for military training (defence forces)
22 for military training (peacekeeping & occupational forces)
24 for marriage and other long term contracts (eg. bigger loans)
25 for driving and adulthood

I would keep 18 for tobacco and voting.

Younger and most people have no idea how to think critically about politics and most still rely on their parent's opinion.

For tobacco I know plenty of people that smoked at age 13, I started at 17 and quit last year at 19. I just think that kids have no idea what they are getting into for tobacco until at least 16 and even then, not a full understanding.

Sex, whatever, the state has no right to regulate it as long as it is between two consenting parties with no coercive factors.

Booze: beer and wine at 16, hard liquer at 18.

To the people who are suggesting any age with sex "as it's determined by nature"... does that mean you think kids should able to have sex with adults?

Sex over 14 (when puberty started for most people, as in the body getting ready for it.)
Alcohol below 5% at 14, 5~15% 16, 15%+ 18
Vote at 20 (seriously, at 18 I don't believe most are adult enough.)
Cigarettes 21 (so you can really decide if you want to, not because school pressure and puberty tells you to.)
Driver's licence 18, scooters at 14.

And to the above statement. Though I said sex above 14, they shouldn't be allowed to go with adults.

Another point about sex, what about incest ? If you look at it from the animal world, it really isn't that bad. As long as both sides don't have any genetical ailments, 'cause those could be enhanced by it.

To the people who are suggesting any age with sex "as it's determined by nature"... does that mean you think kids should able to have sex with adults?I was under the impression that the age was about 'free game' age.

The reason people fear 14, 15, 16 year olds having sex with older people is mainly cultural with very little biological reason (social issues, bribing, coercing or prostitution aside) to do so: If the body is fully developed, capable of procreation, then there's only mental side to consider about - Is the minor ready ie. fully aware of the consequences of having (casual) sex and does he or she understand that he or she has the power to say no?

Sex, drugs and alcohol should be mandatory at 16.



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beer and wine : 16
fags : 16
vodka and stuff : 18
vote : 18
driving : 17 (with one of your parents sitting next to you X_X)
sex : depends on age of your partner if it's legal or not

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.

considering 18 is the legal age:

cigarettes 18 (atleast)
legal age 18
sex none (except in pedophilia cases and such, tried by courts)
alcohol 18
army 18
driving 16
drugs 18 (milder ones also given as free prescription)
voting: (a minium of iq and 18)

cigarettes 18
legal age 18
sex none
alcohol 15/16
army 21
driving 16
drugs 16
vote 18 + at least 120 IQ?

Sex 14----- 16 with partner over 18
Beer and wine at 14, other alcohol at 16
Vote at 18 in state and local elections -----21 in nation elections after passing a test about the United States
Cigarettes 18
Driver's licence 18
Concealed Carry Weapon Permit 18


View from an proud American.

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.

18 for 5% of less (beer)
21 for 10-25% (wine, cordials)
25 for 25%+

18 for cigarettes
16 for sex
18 for driving
30 to vote (anyone under that age, or 90% of them, are totally clueless and vote from emotion rather than logic...no offense to you kids out there)

Alcohol: 18. At the age of 16 they may buy an alcohol drinkers permit, with the writen consent and signature of their parent or guardien. This will allow them to purchase alcohol three nights out of 7 in the week, but only 6units of alcohol. Units is the rating as alcoholic content is no rating on how drunk they will get. so thats 3 pints of 5%, 2 wines, 6 shots of spirits and so on, this is only an average. Alcohol isnt something to be taken lightly.
Sex: 16. There must be a stop cap age, there is no uses looking at all the cercumstances in the legislation. sex is a serious issue, esp teen sex leading to teen pregnancey. With a lower ages more people will take advantage of it. Cercumstances should be accounted for then punishment is given, and breach of a sex law should always be punished, harshly in most occassions.
Driving: 16 learners and 17 full lincence.
Smoking: 21 or outlawed entirly, very dangerous to others health aswell as the smokers, and highly antisocial in most occassions.

Voting: 16, if one is to pay taxes at this age then they should be able to decide on political issues and effect them, after all they can join the political party at that ages, why not vote.
Armed forces: 14 for joining. 18 for guard duties, 19 in full combat roles. Fully capable of waging war. The reason for this is partly psychological, 19 in more mature mentaly. But also 21 one is to old to take full advantages of physical fittness, which is a key thing when waging war. A grunt soldier past his/her time is useless. 36 should be the cut off age for full combat roles, either give them a desk job, discharge them or give them guard duties. This means that units will all have physicaly fit personel in them while still keeping ages and experiances there and on base camps.

Age of consent: 14 (Means they're allowed to have sex, can be made culpable for criminal activity, sign limited contracts, get a limited job, etc., all in one package)
Alcohol: 16 for weaker stuff, 18 for everything
Driving: 18 (Let them test their limits for alcohol before letting them drive)
Voting: 18
Cigarettes: 16 (should be discouraged, though)
Adulthood: 21 (means you will undoubtedly be tried as an adult, not a youth. Everyone over 18 can be tried on basis of either, depending on maturity)

The reason for this is partly psychological, 19 in more mature mentaly. But also 21 one is to old to take full advantages of physical fittness, which is a key thing when waging war. A grunt soldier past his/her time is useless. 36 should be the cut off age for full combat roles, either give them a desk job, discharge them or give them guard duties. This means that units will all have physicaly fit personel in them while still keeping ages and experiances there and on base camps.

You forget most athletes hit their prime towards the middle/end of their twenties, and some remain near the top of whatever their game is until into their late thirties, why would soldiers be any different?

Conditioning makes one's decline in physical fitness as they age much less dramatic.

For me, I would have to make two different graphs, one based on what i would legislate and the other based on what I personally approve of. There are a lot of things on each list that I don't think anyone should do, but I've lived long enough to know that it's generally a bad idea to ban them.

So let's see...first what I would legislate.

Driving: 15 to get a learner's permit, 16 to get a license. The law would protect anyone trying to get a license at these ages without parental consent.
Sex: 19. It needs to be kept out of high schools. Anyone under 19 who's pregnant would be required to get an abortion or give the child up for adoption. Enforced community service and re-education would be involved as well. Fathers under 19 get twice the punishment. Oh yeah, and anyone over 19 who has sex with anyone under 19 gets tried for rape and locked up for a minimum 30-year sentence. No more playing around with this shit.
Alcohol: 19. Just to keep it out of the high schools, if that's at all possible. The idea is that college police and judiciaries have better things to do than watch people's drinking habits for two and a half years while they're at school.
Cigarettes: No age. Now that we have such an anti-smoking culture in America, what we need to do is let people try them, decide they don't like them, and get on with it. Oh yeah, and keep the anti-smoking propaganda up.
Marijuana: 19. It's OK in college, where people don't drive as much, but it needs to stay out of high schools.
Other hard drugs: 19. It's only fair. But to be fair, people would only be allowed to consume them in limited quantities, and they would be under strict government regulation in terms of ingredients.
Military service: 18. People should be allowed to sign out of high school.
Marriage: Doesn't matter; I wouldn't legislate marriage anyway.
Able to designate rights that go with marriage: 18. Why not.
Able to receive marriage-like rights from another person: 18 for some, no age for others.
Trial as adult: Birth. Sentencing should be the same across the board.
Voting: If i have to pick an age, 17. If I don't, make them pass a class on government during their junior year of HS. And I mean a really in-depth one. Don't want to do it? Fine. No voting for you. Either take the test later, join the military, or be an ignorant clod. Enough variations of the class and test would be offered that illiterate, blind, or deaf people would have no trouble with it, and the class would be free.

As for what i would personally approve of...

Driving: Same as above. 15 for a permit, 16 for a license. And parents should be required to allow their kids to get licenses except in exceptional circumstances (i.e. blindness, disability)
Sex: Within the confines of a committed relationship only. Granted, I wouldn't legislate marriage, so that's kind of hard to gauge.
Alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, other hard drugs: All banned completely, and steps taken to eradicate them.
Military service: 18. No reason not to.
Heavy combat: 20. At least. Seeing kids go right from high school to their deaths in Fallujah is sickening. Also, that extra time might give the military some chance to train them on how not to get killed. While we're at it, the military could give them a hand in that department anyway.
Marriage: I wouldn't legislate marriage. The rights that go with it now? 18, sure.
Trial as adult: Birth. If a 6-year-old blows away a classmate with a gun, he goes away for life. His parents probably do as well.
Voting: Just show you know your stuff about the government through a free class and test. If an 8-year-old can do it, more power to him.
Running for office: 18 and a citizen for five years. Any office. That includes appointed offices.

Sex at 14 (but if one of the persons engaged in the sexual act is less than 18, then the other(s) must be no older than 4 years) (so max age 20 to have sex with age 16) .
Marrying or being parents at 21.
Wine and beer at 14 if alone. Whenever you like, if accompanied by a parent or strict relative who is of age. Any drinks over 15%, at 16.
Driving any kind of motor vehicle at 18, and medical and psychic control every 2 years.
Carrying or owning firearms at 21, with medical and psychic control every year.
Tobacco and marijuana at 16.
Voting at 18.

Sex at 14 (but if one of the persons engaged in the sexual act is less than 18, then the other(s) must be no older than 4 years) (so max age 20 to have sex with age 16) .
Marrying or being parents at 21.
Wine and beer at 14 if alone. Whenever you like, if accompanied by a parent or strict relative who is of age. Any drinks over 15%, at 16.
Driving any kind of motor vehicle at 18, and medical and psychic control every 2 years.
Carrying or owning firearms at 21, with medical and psychic control every year.
Tobacco and marijuana at 16.
Voting at 18.


Psychic control? :confused:

18 for booze
16 for fags
16 for sex
18 to vote ect.


Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?

In my opinion:

Alcohol of 5% and lower should be sold to anyone.
Alcohol of 10%-25% should be 16
Alcohol higher than 25% should be 18.

14 for cigarettes.
Any age for sex, but with contraception being free from almost everywhere.
16 to vote.

Any age for sex? Are you some kind of kid-toucher?

Cigs - banned.

Alcohol - 16 for beers/wine. 18 for spirits. Except under parental supervision when it should be allowed at any age.

Sex - Having sex with someone younger than you:

Younger person is 13, older person can't be more than 15
Younger person is 14, older person cant be more than 16
Younger person is 15, older person can't be more than 18
Younger person is 16 - older person can be any age.

Voting - 16

Any age for sex? Are you some kind of kid-toucher?

Maybe he assumes not many 10 year olds are interested in having sex?

I don't understand the justification of "sex whenever".

It is too dangerouse to allow any children to have sex, when the system is so incredibly easily abused and any child can be pushed into non consentual sex using the "zomg d0nt t3ll m3 w0t t0 d00 w1v my d1ck!!!" excuse.

As well as many other reasons (like the majority of children not being psychologically or physically devoloped enough to even handle having sex).

16 is not an objective age for people to start having sex, but it is a safe age to allow the most protection without supressing "teh fr33d0ms".

I don't understand the justification of "sex whenever".

It is too dangerouse to allow any children to have sex, when the system is so incredibly easily abused and any child can be pushed into non consentual sex using the "zomg d0nt t3ll m3 w0t t0 d00 w1v my d1ck!!!" excuse.

As well as many other reasons (like the majority of children not being psychologically or physically devoloped enough to even handle having sex).

16 is not an objective age for people to start having sex, but it is a safe age to allow the most protection without supressing "teh fr33d0ms".

I don't disagree, there does need to be a minimum age of consent, I'm just trying to explain what might be the poster's reasoning.

Personally, I'd pin it lower then 16, but certainly no one who's pre-pubecent can possibly consent to sex.

Adulthood: 17
voting: 7
Driving: 17, with learner's permit and responsible (i.e. sober) adult present: 13
Sex: legal at all ages, except penetrative sex when penetrating partner is over 13, and recieving partner is under 13, and an age gap of more than 3 years exists.
Drugs:
class 0 drugs (chocolate, etc) 7, all ages if responsible (i.e. sober) adult is present.
class 1 drugs (marihuana, alcohol, etc) 13, 7 if responsible (i.e. sober) adult is present.
class 2 drugs (heroine, cocaine, nicotine, LSD, etc) 17
smoking any substance is illegal at all times, and at all places.
Sober is anyone who has not used class1 drugs within the last 36 hours, nor class2 drugs within the last 30 days.

Of course, all of the above is only valid within Arthymia, and for Arthymian citizens.

Maybe he assumes not many 10 year olds are interested in having sex?

You know, kid-touchers don't always use threats and fear to molest kids. Sometimes they convince the kid that it's a fun game. Thus the 10 year old "consents" and under his rules suddenly pedophilia is legal. That's why we have an age of consent and that's why we need one. I don't trust children to make decisions involving letting an adult touch them.

Alcohol 18
Smoking 21
Voting 18
Driving 25 :P if it were practical. 16 realisitcally
Sex: 16+ generally or less than 5 years difference in age for 13+.

Just my late night mild insomnia no-thought-went-into-this opinion

You know, kid-touchers don't always use threats and fear to molest kids. Sometimes they convince the kid that it's a fun game. Thus the 10 year old "consents" and under his rules suddenly pedophilia is legal. That's why we have an age of consent and that's why we need one. I don't trust children to make decisions involving letting an adult touch them.

I don't disagree, there does need to be a minimum age of consent, I'm just trying to explain what might be the poster's reasoning.

Personally, I'd pin it lower then 16, but certainly no one who's pre-pubecent can possibly consent to sex.

Further, proper sex ed. would ensure they don't think it's just a game, and thus can deal with the molester.

Whats your opinion on these things? should the age be raised lowered or eliminated entirely?



I think we should go back to 21 for everything.

I was one of those that worked for the 18 voting age. It was a mistake. There is a big difference from 18 to 21.