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The population of the USA is expected to reach 300 million by the end of the week here are some facts about the USA

(US) Life Expectancy men - 75 women - 80
(developing world) Life Expectancy men - 63 women - 67

US annual water consumption per capita - 1682m2
Worlds annual water consumption per capita - 633m2

US carbon dioxide emissions per head, in metric tonnes - 19.8
Worlds carbon dioxide emissions per head, in metric tonnes - 3.9

and my favourite one

Number of burgers consumed by Americans every year - 58 billion

This obviously cannot be sustained so what lies ahead for the USA?

http://www.independent.co.uk/

Got milk?

Yay consumer based societies!

Boo starvation and subsistence farming.

Hopefully, we're on our way to 400 million and beyond! Every new immigrant or birth is a new worker to power our economy, develop our technology and produce the goods and services we need and want. I see this as a sign of future economic potential...hopefully, our population and economy grow fast enough to absorb the boomer generation and keep growing after that.

Growth is good...very good. I feel as happy about this as people did back in the 1960's when we hit 200 million...if things keep growing, it will be a fast changing and optimistic time ahead of us.

(On a side note, I can't wait until we expand in to space...unlimited resources and unlimited growth, far beyond what is possible on this planet. And, of course, a strong economy and growing population accelerate that growth even faster so we'll get there sooner.)

Make room! Make room!

Number of burgers consumed by Americans every year - 58 billion

This obviously cannot be sustained so what lies ahead for the USA?

http://www.independent.co.uk/

Continued prosperity and high quality of life is what lies ahead for the USA.

We keep growing and people keep flocking here because things continue to improve, regardless of the problems outsiders bring. When there is a shortage or problem that affects us, its dealt with through improvising and improvement.

Make room! Make room!

We just need to increase our inhabitable area by 1% per year and we can more than accommodate our population (it's growing by 0.92 percent per year). To put it in perspective, our population will be 600 million in 2082...we've got plenty of time to find new ways to fit our population comfortably.

Make room! Make room!

Lebensraum?

Lebensraum?

Well somebody else did that, they will probaly just annex the rest of the american continent and build space stations and such.

Lebensraum?

Nah, still got plenty of that, why, there are millions of acres of wilderness without a Starbucks, Wal-Mart or McDonalds!

:p

Hopefully, we're on our way to 400 million and beyond! Every new immigrant or birth is a new worker to power our economy, develop our technology and produce the goods and services we need and want. I see this as a sign of future economic potential...hopefully, our population and economy grow fast enough to absorb the boomer generation and keep growing after that.

Growth is good...very good. I feel as happy about this as people did back in the 1960's when we hit 200 million...if things keep growing, it will be a fast changing and optimistic time ahead of us.

(On a side note, I can't wait until we expand in to space...unlimited resources and unlimited growth, far beyond what is possible on this planet. And, of course, a strong economy and growing population accelerate that growth even faster so we'll get there sooner.)

Because that's exactly what the universe needs. More of us.

Nah, still got plenty of that, why, there are millions of acres of wilderness without a Starbucks, Wal-Mart or McDonalds!

SBUX's store count is growing at 17.5% per year...that's a doubling every 4 years.

By 2030, there would be 640,000 stores worldwide. :eek:

(I know it's not going to keep growing that fast, but a world overwhelmed with starbucks everywhere would be frightening indeed)

SBUX's store count is growing at 17.5% per year...that's a doubling every 4 years.

By 2030, there would be 640,000 stores worldwide. :eek:

(I know it's not going to keep growing that fast, but a world overwhelmed with starbucks everywhere would be frightening indeed)

I used to work at Starbucks, and I can tell you THEIR COFFEE IS PEOPLE!!!

SBUX's store count is growing at 17.5% per year...that's a doubling every 4 years.

By 2030, there would be 640,000 stores worldwide. :eek:

(I know it's not going to keep growing that fast, but a world overwhelmed with starbucks everywhere would be frightening indeed)

There's only 2 in Ireland. Yay.

Lebensraum?
Hehehe ;)

Vetalia, if the population of the US doubles to 600 million people, how is the US, or even the world, going to cope with the extra food, electricity, water and (if any is still around to be used) oil demands of that population? The US isn't known for its circumspect, efficient use of resources.
Especially considering, if the population of the rest of the world grows at the same rate, the US will be sharing this rock with 12.4 billion other people.

There's only 2 in Ireland. Yay.

There will be more...Ireland is like the China of Europe and everyone wants to invest there. Whether that's good or bad is, of course, personal preference.

I mean, I like Starbucks and don't mind a store or two in my town (not counting Barnes and Noble cafes) but I do like different coffee shops once in a while. Sometimes, the atmosphere of a local place or even a competitor is just better than Starbucks and I go there. Of course, I like Barnes and Noble most of all but...

I'm rambling, I see.

scary thing is we may have a thread in the near future where some whippersnapper announces America is now below 300 million

Scary shit breed westerners breed we all know where the Panda is going!

Vetalia, if the population of the US doubles to 600 million people, how is the US, or even the world, going to cope with the extra food, electricity, water and (if any is still around to be used) oil demands of that population? The US isn't known for its circumspect, efficient use of resources.
Especially considering, if the population of the rest of the world grows at the same rate, the US will be sharing this rock with 12.4 billion other people.

It's not. Our population growth rate is slowing down pretty markedly so it's not likely it will happen. Exponential growth will, at least for the next few decades slow down because we can't use resources other than those on Earth. We will continue to grow, and economic growth might actually accelerate as the economy continues to shift to lower resource intensity but our population growth will slow to a fraction of its current levels or even reach replacement.

However, when space colonization and settlement become feasible...we will grow at levels unprecedented in human history. I'd use the example of The Scattering in Heretics of Dune to get an idea of the aftermath of large-scale space colonization. We will have access

But then again, that leaves a lot of time between these two events...that's when managing our population and resources will be critical.

It's not. Our population growth rate is slowing down pretty markedly so it's not likely it will happen. Exponential growth will, at least for the next few decades slow down because we can't use resources other than those on Earth. We will continue to grow, and economic growth might actually accelerate as the economy continues to shift to lower resource intensity but our population growth will slow to a fraction of its current levels or even reach replacement.

However, when space colonization and settlement become feasible...we will grow at levels unprecedented in human history. I'd use the example of The Scattering in Heretics of Dune to get an idea of the aftermath of large-scale space colonization. We will have access

But then again, that leaves a lot of time between these two events...that's when managing our population and resources will be critical.


The projected population of the USA is 395 million by 2050

The projected population of the USA is 395 million by 2050

Yeah, that's what I mean. That shows population growth is projected to slow from 0.92% to an average of 0.63% over that time, most likely in a gradual downtrend.

Using 0.63% growth, we'd hit 600 million in 2117; chances are, that's not happening unless something pushes birthrates up again or deathrates fall significantly.

There's only 2 in Ireland. Yay.

Yet there are three in Belfast and I've had a Frappé in Dublin....

Curious.
Curious indeed.

Yet there are three in Belfast and I've had a Frappé in Dublin....

Curious.
Curious indeed.

The Republic of Ireland. One in Dublin, and one in Kildare.

You realize, if the population of the USA tripled, we'd still be #3, behind China and India.

You realize, if the population of the USA tripled, we'd still be #3, behind China and India.

True but China and India both have lower co2 emmissions even though they have more than triple the population, the thread really had more to do with consumption. The population is just a milestone

The population of the USA is expected to reach 300 million by the end of the week


Cheers.


This obviously cannot be sustained so what lies ahead for the USA?

http://www.independent.co.uk/

Change.

Nah, still got plenty of that, why, there are millions of acres of wilderness without a Starbucks, Wal-Mart or McDonalds!

:p

And there is ALWAYS up...

Imagine... an entire continent of skyscrapers!

Why, it'd be like Corusant (SP?)! Going through life without ever having to step on the terra firma. :)

True but China and India both have lower co2 emmissions even though they have more than triple the population, the thread really had more to do with consumption. The population is just a milestone

The tradeoff though is that they both have more human and animal feces in their streets.

We'll have very low co2 emissions someday.

Number of burgers consumed by Americans every year - 58 billion

This obviously cannot be sustained so what lies ahead for the USA?

http://www.independent.co.uk/

Clearly cows will become extinct, and people will have to rely on cow substitutes, such as 'fruit' and 'vegetables'. Given the well known deadly effects of this kind of diet, I'm sure the population will even out again...

Or maybe aliens will come down with a book and teach us how to put new antioxidents into the fields to quiptiple our farming effiiceincy and show us how not to make war. Then as our population explodes they will welcome us with open arms to visit their home planet. Of course... later on we'll find out no one wants to come back... :p

And there is ALWAYS up...

Imagine... an entire continent of skyscrapers!

Why, it'd be like Corusant (SP?)! Going through life without ever having to step on the terra firma. :)

Pfft. Trantor is (would be?) way cooler, and far more original. Down is the way to go - theres miles of space beneath the surface, and the heating would cost squat :D

big deal. europe is still larger by population.

Well, hopefully the government will pay more attention to my plan to require everybody to live in 10x10 concrete cubes in the future.
That way everybody can live along the East Coast and we can use the rest of the country for...I dunno...farming or something. Whatever.

Well, hopefully the government will pay more attention to my plan to require everybody to live in 10x10 concrete cubes in the future. That way everybody can live along the East Coast and we can use the rest of the country for...I dunno...farming or something. Whatever.

I think someone has already tried it? (http://friedensmal.de/Plattenbau.jpg)

But those are markedly inneffecient and take up far too much space. Im talking about 10x10 cubes, not some crazy multi-room apartment. Only the super fantabulously wealthy can afford something like that in my world.
Only I'd be the only superfantabulously wealthy person. Everybody else would be peons. Except for the people who produced games and other items which entertained me. They would get 15x10 cubes AND a free telescreen. Vision. Television.
>_>
<_<

But those are markedly inneffecient and take up far too much space. Im talking about 10x10 cubes, not some crazy multi-room apartment. Only the super fantabulously wealthy can afford something like that in my world.

Only I'd be the only superfantabulously wealthy person. Everybody else would be peons. Except for the people who produced games and other items which entertained me. They would get 15x10 cubes AND a free telescreen. Vision. Television.
>_>
<_<

The average person in the USSR had 16.7 square meters of space...that's about twice what your world would have, but it's a step in the right(?) direction.

Ah, but unlike the USSR my people would have 24/7 access to the FOX reality channel.

Am I an evil genius or what? ;)

Ah, but unlike the USSR my people would have 24/7 access to the FOX reality channel.

Am I an evil genius or what? ;)

I think they had the same thing, but they called it Pravda . ;)

US carbon dioxide emissions per head, in metric tonnes - 19.8
Worlds carbon dioxide emissions per head, in metric tonnes - 3.9


This looks like more than 3.9 to me:
http://www.dailyreckoning.co.uk/article/280620061.html

I think they had the same thing, but they called it Pravda . ;)

Ah, but I have 4Chan.

Ah, but I have 4Chan.

Oh God.../b/....

And there is ALWAYS up...

Imagine... an entire continent of skyscrapers!

Why, it'd be like Corusant (SP?)! Going through life without ever having to step on the terra firma. :)

I'd hate to live in a place like Coruscant. That's my idea of hell.

Pfft. Trantor is (would be?) way cooler, and far more original. Down is the way to go - theres miles of space beneath the surface, and the heating would cost squat :D

Well, except they went down and up, really. Everywhere but the Palace grounds, anyway.

You know its not like we're that crowded, at least not out here, living space wouldn't be the issue so much as recources I would think.

You know its not like we're that crowded, at least not out here, living space wouldn't be the issue so much as recources I would think.

Here in California it's extremely crowded.

I think people are forgetting about hydroponics and the promises of hydrogen technology.

Here in California it's extremely crowded.

So move. A lot of this panic about overpopulation comes from people who spend their entire lives in cities and have no comprehension of how much empty, unutilising space there is in this world.

The trick is to be more efficient with the land that we have. Governments should stop sponsoring the countryside to maintain a 19th century standard of agriculture when modern advances could feed much more people in much less space. In addition, more green space should be added to cities to make up for degreening the countryside with massive factoryfarms, roof gardens and window boxes should be made compulsary on all buildings that can support them, and city councils should ensure that every street is lined with hyper-oxygenating trees.

So move. A lot of this panic about overpopulation comes from people who spend their entire lives in cities and have no comprehension of how much empty, unutilising space there is in this world.

The trick is to be more efficient with the land that we have. Governments should stop sponsoring the countryside to maintain a 19th century standard of agriculture when modern advances could feed much more people in much less space. In addition, more green space should be added to cities to make up for degreening the countryside with massive factoryfarms, roof gardens and window boxes should be made compulsary on all buildings that can support them, and city councils should ensure that every street is lined with hyper-oxygenating trees.


I saw something showing that rooftop gardens and grass were not only far more pleasant, but were lighter and cooler than the traditional roofing materials. It also creates more usable space. Hanging out on tar-hot or otherwise is certainly less appealing than on lush sod with fruit trees and tomato plants.

Oh God.../b/....

Yes, a few hours of exposure is generaly enough to reduce the average person to a gibbering idiot.
Especially on Friday.

I think people are forgetting about hydroponics and the promises of hydrogen technology.

According to Wikipedia, we dont NEED hydroponics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_agricultural_output

If the US produces slightly less than India in terms of agricultural products, we are quite capable of feeding 300,000,000 million people, compared to Indias billion or so.

Ive heard a few people state that the United States is theoretically capable of feeding the entire world, but lacks both the will to do so and the infrastructure and logistical capability to do so.
It makes sense if you think about it, places like the US and Russia have vast amounts of unexploited space which is pretty good for farming, although most of the really good farming territory in Russia went to the Ukraine post-USSR. The US still has much of the Great Plains, and although the idea of turning it into farmland isnt exactly an appealing idea, its far better than mass starvation.

I used to work at Starbucks, and I can tell you THEIR COFFEE IS PEOPLE!!!

Soylent Green anyone?

Soylent Green anyone?

Soylet Black.

Ive heard that the secret ingredient in Starbucks coffee is a chemical that makes you forget that your paying $8 for a cup of coffee >_>

I think people are forgetting about hydroponics and the promises of hydrogen technology.

Or the massive resources outside of this planet...all we have to do is manage what we have here wisely until we can expand off-planet. Once we've done that...the only limit is our desire.

300 milions?that is a lot
edited.
the german were but 50 millions
most of them suvived the war