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Oh, sure, I believe women have the right to defend themselves against violence, domestic or otherwise, to the extent of their abilities, but ...

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=161556

ERIE, Pa. - A woman used her 4-week-old baby as a weapon in a domestic dispute, swinging the infant through the air and striking her boyfriend with the child, authorities said.


:eek:

I suppose there wasn't a fireplace poker handy or anything ...

I've advocated beating people who piss me off with the corpses of their children for a long time. This woman is a foreward-thinking psycho and should be rewarded for her creativity.

What a sick woman

Yeah I gotta admit it's pretty damn creative. I mean ... live baby as a weapon ... this woman should win some kind of award.

http://www.rit.edu/~cgs2794/files/pub/crappers/wtf.jpg

Oh, sure, I believe women have the right to defend themselves against violence, domestic or otherwise, to the extent of their abilities, but ...

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=161556



:eek:

I suppose there wasn't a fireplace poker handy or anything ...

shouldn't her boyfriend need to attack her (phisically or sexsually) in order to make her actions self-defence (ignoring use of babies as weapon), or maybe the fact it is woman make it automatically self-defence?

shouldn't her boyfriend need to attack her (phisically or sexsually) in order to make her actions self-defence (ignoring use of babies as weapon), or maybe the fact it is woman make it automatically self-defence?

I dunno ... all the article said was "domestic dispute" ... pretty vague. Haven't seen any clarification, I just thought the choice of blunt instrument to be startling and amusing.

I dunno ... all the article said was "domestic dispute" ... pretty vague. Haven't seen any clarification, I just thought the choice of blunt instrument to be startling and amusing.
right, but I think next time she should use a cat who can also stretch and bite her enemy :)

right, but I think next time she should use a cat who can also stretch and bite her enemy :)

Now that I'd like a video of!

right, but I think next time she should use a cat who can also stretch and bite her enemy :)
And claw them to shreds! ^^

I know this is somewhat changing the topic but I hope the lady in question gets life in jail. No joke, she should also be charged with attempted murder of her child. I know that is extreme but the baby is in critical condition and if you ever had a doubt that using a child as a weapon wouldnt harm / potentially kill the child, you should be locked up for stupidity.

While I am ranting, I hate the fact that a man can rape a woman but a woman can not rape a man. I think that is just ridiculous and should be changed.

P.S. I do not hate women, I fully support equality in all aspects including punishment of crimes.

This thread has surpassed even Drunk commies' nightly helping of hilarious insanity. Congratulations! :D

While I am ranting, I hate the fact that a man can rape a woman but a woman can not rape a man. I think that is just ridiculous and should be changed.
So you gonna file a law-suit against mother Nature then? Oh, some women can rape men, and they do - but not based on their innate physiology. I'm guessing what you meant is a woman "assault" a man.

So you gonna file a law-suit against mother Nature then? Oh, some women can rape men, and they do - but not based on their innate physiology. I'm guessing what you meant is a woman "assault" a man.


Um...no...women can rape men. Rape is not a strictly man-against-woman or man-against-man crime.

Oh, sure, I believe women have the right to defend themselves against violence, domestic or otherwise, to the extent of their abilities, but ...

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=161556



:eek:

I suppose there wasn't a fireplace poker handy or anything ...

:eek: Holy Shit! :eek:

Um...no...women can rape men. Rape is not a strictly man-against-woman or man-against-man crime.

Canyou give an example of when a woman has been successfully prosecuted for raping a man?

I know this is somewhat changing the topic but I hope the lady in question gets life in jail. No joke, she should also be charged with attempted murder of her child. I know that is extreme but the baby is in critical condition and if you ever had a doubt that using a child as a weapon wouldnt harm / potentially kill the child, you should be locked up for stupidity.

While I am ranting, I hate the fact that a man can rape a woman but a woman can not rape a man. I think that is just ridiculous and should be changed.

P.S. I do not hate women, I fully support equality in all aspects including punishment of crimes.

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ro/www/MenAgainstSexualViolence/faq.htm


8. How can a man be raped?

The sexual assault statute in Illinois is gender neutral--so legally a man can be raped. In addition, penetration includes insertion, however slight, of the penis, fingers, or other objects in the vagina, anus, mouth. In this sense it is clear that a man can be raped anally or orally by either another man or a woman. When women rape men, it is typically an adult woman raping a male child; however, there are instances where adult women do rape adult men as well. It is important to remember that since men generally do not report when they are a survivor of rape, little is actually known about the prevalence of male victimization. It is estimated that around 5% of rape survivors are men. Therefore, the majority of male survivors were raped by men.

While I am ranting, I hate the fact that a man can rape a woman but a woman can not rape a man. I think that is just ridiculous and should be changed.


If you are in the UK you will be pleased to know that a woman CAN be charged with rape. And there has even been a conviction where a girl went to jail for her part in a gang rape.

It's just that it's not often a man compalins about these things. If it really annoys you then next time a woman rapes you complain to the police under the banner of sexual assult, then go to the jury and explain how she overpowered you.

Um...no...women can rape men. Rape is not a strictly man-against-woman or man-against-man crime.
Yes, I know they can. Just not in the same way. :) I pointed that out.

Canyou give an example of when a woman has been successfully prosecuted for raping a man?

Prosecution is irrelevant. Just because one wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean the crime didn't happen. It might not have even been reported (really, what guy wants to go to the police and say a woman raped him?). Read this (http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/ipvfacts.htm).

Prosecution is irrelevant. Just because one wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean the crime didn't happen. It might not have even been reported (really, what guy wants to go to the police and say a woman raped him?). Read this (http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/ipvfacts.htm).
Actually, I think it's equally humiliating for individuals of either gender, to suffer such a loss in self-control. There are some cold-blooded individuals who can shake it off (or suppress it), but for most I think it's traumatic. Maybe there is an even greater social stigma for men though.

Actually, I think it's equally humiliating for individuals of either gender, to suffer such a loss in self-control. There are some cold-blooded individuals who can shake it off (or suppress it), but for most I think it's traumatic. Maybe there is an even greater social stigma for men though.

Of course there is. "Awww...the little girl forced you to have sex..."

Prosecution is irrelevant. Just because one wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean the crime didn't happen. It might not have even been reported (really, what guy wants to go to the police and say a woman raped him?). Read this (http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/ipvfacts.htm).

While I disagree with the idea that prosecution is irrelevent, I'm fully aware with the methods used to collect crime statistics and the problems with those methods. I just thought that this;

Um...no...women can rape men. Rape is not a strictly man-against-woman or man-against-man crime.

might mean that you were aware of a case that I wasn't and knowledge of such a case would be quite useful for a paper I'm preparing.

Of course there is. "Awww...the little girl forced you to have sex..."
Although, save for cases where narcotics or other such subterfuge is involved, I doubt that it's the little girls that do the raping. ;)

While I disagree with the idea that prosecution is irrelevent, I'm fully aware with the methods used to collect crime statistics and the problems with those methods. I just thought that this;



might mean that you were aware of a case that I wasn't and knowledge of such a case would be quite useful for a paper I'm preparing.

Oh, you lazy ass. I'm not gonna do your research for you. :p

I'm sure, if you look, you can find them. I did a paper myself on the subject when I was at uni, and at the time (over 10 years ago), the NCSB estimated that 10% of all rapes were committed against men. Not sure how many were perpetrated by men or women, but there you go.

Although, save for cases where narcotics or other such subterfuge is involved, I doubt that it's little girls that do the raping. ;)


I merely meant that that would be the expected reaction that would shy a male victim away from reporting the crime.

Oh, you lazy ass. I'm not gonna do your research for you. :p

I'm sure, if you look, you can find them. I did a paper myself on the subject when I was at uni, and at the time (over 10 years ago), the NCSB estimated that 10% of all rapes were committed against men. Not sure how many were perpetrated by men or women, but there you go.
http://www.batteredmen.com/ Whilst I dislike this site, it does offer some valuable info.

I know this is somewhat changing the topic but I hope the lady in question gets life in jail. No joke, she should also be charged with attempted murder of her child. I know that is extreme but the baby is in critical condition and if you ever had a doubt that using a child as a weapon wouldnt harm / potentially kill the child, you should be locked up for stupidity.

While I am ranting, I hate the fact that a man can rape a woman but a woman can not rape a man. I think that is just ridiculous and should be changed.

P.S. I do not hate women, I fully support equality in all aspects including punishment of crimes.

For attempted murder you actually have to ATTEMPT MURDER. Obviously there was no attempt at murder. You could make a very strong case for depraved indifference, and as such, reckless endangerment of human life (or some state variant thereof) but it's long been held you can not charge someone with an attempt to commit a crime if there was not specific intent to commit that crime. You would have to have some way to either prove, or at least infer that she was intending to kill the child.

And please show me one criminal statute that defines rape as a crime only perpetrated by a man against a woman.

Canyou give an example of when a woman has been successfully prosecuted for raping a man?

There was a thread awhile back about a woman in norway who was convicted of rape for fellating an unconscious man. The thread devolved into, "Well, he got a free blowjob, so he can't have been raped" as if all men ever think about is sex. Then the feminists chimed in with "Well, men rape women at an alarming rate, and it's YOUR FAULT for being a man" as if I have personally ever raped a woman. The system's fucked up on both sides, but it's far easier to sympathize with a potential rape victim than it is with a potential assailant who is convicted only in the court of public opinion and will always be a rapist no matter how airtight his alibi is.

Oh, you lazy ass. I'm not gonna do your research for you. :p

I'm sure, if you look, you can find them. I did a paper myself on the subject when I was at uni, and at the time (over 10 years ago), the NCSB estimated that 10% of all rapes were committed against men. Not sure how many were perpetrated by men or women, but there you go.

Yeah, the British Crime Survey has no data about female on male rape. I suppose that it doesn't figure often enough to make the stats. I suppose I'll have to read a textbook written by someone with an axe to grind on the subject and I hate the whiney tone they always write with :(

There was a thread awhile back about a woman in norway who was convicted of rape for fellating an unconscious man. The thread devolved into, "Well, he got a free blowjob, so he can't have been raped" as if all men ever think about is sex. Then the feminists chimed in with "Well, men rape women at an alarming rate, and it's YOUR FAULT for being a man" as if I have personally ever raped a woman. The system's fucked up on both sides, but it's far easier to sympathize with a potential rape victim than it is with a potential assailant who is convicted only in the court of public opinion and will always be a rapist no matter how airtight his alibi is.


I remember that thread. For reminding me of it, you win this thread.

the NCSB estimated that 10% of all rapes were committed against men.

Committed AGAINST men is not the same as committed BY women. I think the majority of male rapes are perpetrated by other males. That being said, it is still possible, and illegal, for a female to rape a male. Though this is WAAAY off topic for the thread.

And please show me one criminal statute that defines rape as a crime only perpetrated by a man against a woman.

A lot of American states define rape as the act of a mans penis entering a womans vagina against her permission.

Oral and Anal activities are seperate offenses

I merely meant that that would be the expected reaction that would shy a male victim away from reporting the crime.
I know, I'm just kidding. :) It does go to show how the element of machismo in society can be equally damaging to men as it can to women. I wonder how much worse it would be for a male rape victim in an Islamic society - they don't look too favourably upon women in similar situations to begin with.

A lot of American states define rape as the act of a mans penis entering a womans vagina against her permission.


Please show me the relevant criminal statute.

There was a thread awhile back about a woman in norway who was convicted of rape for fellating an unconscious man. The thread devolved into, "Well, he got a free blowjob, so he can't have been raped" as if all men ever think about is sex. Then the feminists chimed in with "Well, men rape women at an alarming rate, and it's YOUR FAULT for being a man" as if I have personally ever raped a woman. The system's fucked up on both sides, but it's far easier to sympathize with a potential rape victim than it is with a potential assailant who is convicted only in the court of public opinion and will always be a rapist no matter how airtight his alibi is.

I vaguely remember that. I must go searching.

Committed AGAINST men is not the same as committed BY women. I think the majority of male rapes are perpetrated by other males. That being said, it is still possible, and illegal, for a female to rape a male. Though this is WAAAY off topic for the thread.

Thanks for quoting only part of my post. You failed to quote the bit in which I acknowledged that it didn't say whether the perpetrator was male or female, jackass. In fact, nice job snipping my post just so you could be a jackass. :rolleyes:

I can't concieve of a woman being able to rape a conscious man. And why go through the trouble of drugging him if he'll most likely have sex with you anyway?

It just logically doesn't make much sense to me. I dunno.

Unless the woman was huge and muscular, in which case, I'd find it impossible to get hard in the first place so there's no threat of vaginal intercourse there.


Though I suppose anal rape is always a possibility.

I just can't wrap my mind around it, though. I'm sorry.

I can't concieve of a woman being able to rape a conscious man. And why go through the trouble of drugging him if he'll most likely have sex with you anyway?

It just logically doesn't make much sense to me. I dunno.


Then you fail at logic. And you assume that all men will most likely have sex with any woman. Way to go. :rolleyes:

Then you fail at logic. And you assume that all men will most likely have sex with any woman. Way to go. :rolleyes:

I must! I'm serious, I just can't even begin to comprehend this kind of situation.

EDIT: Not -all- men, no, but most men. Not even most single men - most men in general, single or otherwise (unfortunately).

I must! I'm serious, I just can't even begin to comprehend this kind of situation.

Of course, because all men will fuck anything that moves. :rolleyes:

Of course, because all men will fuck anything that moves. :rolleyes:

Shaddup, I had to edit because you edited after I already clicked "quote". =P

I must! I'm serious, I just can't even begin to comprehend this kind of situation.

EDIT: Not -all- men, no, but most men. Not even most single men - most men in general, single or otherwise (unfortunately).

Nice edit. :rolleyes: *BUZZ* Wrong! And wonderful stereotyping.

Wow ... when did this turn into Rape 101?

Oh, sure, I believe women have the right to defend themselves against violence, domestic or otherwise, to the extent of their abilities, but ...

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=161556



:eek:

I suppose there wasn't a fireplace poker handy or anything ...

I'm a big proponent of using any weapon of opporotunity, but a baby is a poor choice.
Even if he has a big head.

Wow ... when did this turn into Rape 101?

Not sure really, since the article in the OP never mentioned rape at all. I think it just twisted that way when someone automatically assumed that, somehow, a woman was justified in beating a guy with a baby and tried to come up with a justification. Even if he raped her, there is NO justification for what she did.

Yeah, I can get a thread back on track just as well as I can hijack one.

Nice edit. :rolleyes: *BUZZ* Wrong! And wonderful stereotyping.

I only go by what I know from friends, news (network and internet), behavioral patterns, stand-up comedians and little bits collected from daily life. I might be wrong, I admit that. My sources aren't the most worldly or in-depth.

I only go by what I know from friends, news (network and internet), behavioral patterns, stand-up comedians and little bits collected from daily life. I might be wrong, I admit that. My sources aren't the most worldly or in-depth.

Yes, stand-up comedians are a wonderful source of information...

Yes, stand-up comedians are a wonderful source of information...

They're people, just like anyone else with a story to tell. It's not what they say that leads me to lean towards it being true, but how the audience -always- reacts. The stereotype is there for a reason, because there are quite a few disloyal husbands and men with low standards. The stereotype makes it out to be worse than it really is, true, but I'd say a good 25-30% of men in America would fit it perfectly, and 35-40% if you loosen the stereotype a bit.

They're people, just like anyone else with a story to tell. It's not what they say that leads me to lean towards it being true, but how the audience -always- reacts. The stereotype is there for a reason, because there are quite a few disloyal husbands and men with low standards. The stereotype makes it out to be worse than it really is, true, but I'd say a good 25-30% of men in America would fit it perfectly, and 35-40% if you loosen the stereotype a bit.

Gotta love it when people make up statistics... :rolleyes:

Gotta love it when people make up statistics... :rolleyes:

Less than 20% of statistics are made up on the spot. ;)

Wow ... when did this turn into Rape 101?

a major derailment

Gotta love it when people make up statistics... :rolleyes:

I'm estimating. You have anything to contradict it? A census of loyal husbands/boyfriends, perhaps?

I'm estimating. You have anything to contradict it? A census of loyal husbands/boyfriends, perhaps?

You threw it out there. Have you anything to support it?


I thought not. Run along now.

You threw it out there. Have you anything to support it?


I thought not. Run along now.

I told you I didn't have anything to support it because I'm estimating. If you want to prove me wrong then by all means find counterevidence, I'd be happily surprised to see me proven wrong in this aspect.

1. Domestic dispute is kinda vague. I'm not sure if she was just yelling at him for leaving the seat up or if there was actual physical violence involved, not including the child endangerment.

2. What kind of person uses a baby as a weapon? Well, besides terrorists using baby bombs against the evol market places, I can only think of the severely mental.

3. (off-topic) It is possible for a somewhat weak girl to rape a man. All she needs to do is have him tied up to a chair or bed or something(she could have someone much stronger to do it for her or have the victim drugged/drunk and do it herself) and give him an erection, usually using a "hands-on"(bad pun, I know) approach. Once the dick is nice and stiff, she just undresses and it's vagina time. She can wait until he's fully concious, since he would be tied up anyway. I'm sure this has happened at least once. I mean, there are how many people in the world right now? Even if it's a 1-in-a-billion chance(we'd have a better chance of an asteroid destroying the earth if that was the case), there are over 6 billion people breathing right now and countless people who breathed at some point. Good chance it has happened before.

So you gonna file a law-suit against mother Nature then? Oh, some women can rape men, and they do - but not based on their innate physiology. I'm guessing what you meant is a woman "assault" a man.
Women can rape men, at least in Norway.

I told you I didn't have anything to support it because I'm estimating. If you want to prove me wrong then by all means find counterevidence, I'd be happily surprised to see me proven wrong in this aspect.


You're the one who threw out made-up "statistics." It's your responsibility to defend them, not mine to refute them.

You're the one who threw out made-up "statistics." It's your responsibility to defend them, not mine to refute them.

http://www.womansavers.com/articles-for-women/65.html

The ease of the Internet is one reason women are quickly catching up to men in the arena of extramarital nookie, according to Newsweek. Nowadays, an estimated 30 percent to 40 percent of wives are unfaithful, compared to 50 percent of husbands, therapists told the news magazine.

Best I could come up with.

Women can rape men, at least in Norway.

Woman with a gun saying "do me, or else"

Women can rape men, at least in Norway.

What? That's legal in Norway?

Woman with a gun saying "do me, or else"

I'd be a dead man. Stage fright is a bitch:p

Woman with a gun saying "do me, or else"
For those with a limited imagination, yes. :)

"Well, men rape women at an alarming rate, and it's YOUR FAULT for being a man"

Lol love that logic, yes its your fault the sperm that resulted in your conception carried the Y chromosome. Unless they mean they expect all men to get gender re-assignments?

ROFLCOPTER.

This reminds of the perfect murder: you pick up a man by his ankles and beat someone else to death with him.

She, literally, MADE HER OWN WEAPON! That is just awesome.

She, literally, MADE HER OWN WEAPON! That is just awesome.

LMFAO.

Um...no...women can rape men. Rape is not a strictly man-against-woman or man-against-man crime.

I believe you are thinking of "sexual assault" legally CLASSIFIED as such...

Physical rape does not work woman-to-man; it's just stupid lawyers and politicians trying to name different acts with the same name to appease the ACLU folks and such.

She, literally, MADE HER OWN WEAPON! That is just awesome.

Then again, so did he -if he's the bilogical father, that is.

I believe you are thinking of "sexual assault" legally CLASSIFIED as such...

Physical rape does not work woman-to-man; it's just stupid lawyers and politicians trying to name different acts with the same name to appease the ACLU folks and such.
Oh, but they can. :) Just not in the traditional manner (ie using a certain banana-shaped organ; unless they go plastic).

I can't concieve of a woman being able to rape a conscious man. And why go through the trouble of drugging him if he'll most likely have sex with you anyway?

It just logically doesn't make much sense to me. I dunno.

Unless the woman was huge and muscular, in which case, I'd find it impossible to get hard in the first place so there's no threat of vaginal intercourse there.


Though I suppose anal rape is always a possibility.

I just can't wrap my mind around it, though. I'm sorry.
Well, of course. because all rape is violent. There never is any rape from coersion, threats, intimidation or pressure.
A person - man or woman - can't raped unless they're beaten black and blue first, right?
:rolleyes:

It is important to remember that since men generally do not report when they are a survivor of rape, little is actually known about the prevalence of male victimization. It is estimated that around 5% of rape survivors are men. Therefore, the majority of male survivors were raped by men.
How the fuck do they come to that conclusion, based on the previous two sentences?
There is nothing there that indicates that you can logically conclude anything, except that the sentence prior to the estimation makes said estimation completely irrelevant. If no-one knows how many men are raped, how can they make an estimation of it?

Less than 20% of statistics are made up on the spot. ;)
80% of all people know that.

And why go through the trouble of drugging him if he'll most likely have sex with you anyway?
Rape is a power thing, not for pleasure.


Unless the woman was huge and muscular, in which case, I'd find it impossible to get hard in the first place so there's no threat of vaginal intercourse there.
She needn't be "huge and muscular," although I am sure a few of the women in these cases are. Some women may be skilled (or even highly skilled) in martial arts or some form of offence. She could just subdue him and rape him. And, of course, there are subtler methods, such as narcotics etc.

I just can't wrap my mind around it, though. I'm sorry.
Probably because it's not something you'd normally hear about or see depicted.

obviously the baby's fault - just like a gun - the baby made the stupid fucking bitch hit the boyfriend

not

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I believe you are thinking of "sexual assault" legally CLASSIFIED as such...

Physical rape does not work woman-to-man; it's just stupid lawyers and politicians trying to name different acts with the same name to appease the ACLU folks and such.

Really, how do you figure that? Leaving out the messy details, men don't have much control over our erections. If a woman had a man in restraint, she could easily get a rise and have sex with him without his consent. Unless rape has been defined in terms of penetration rather than consent, physical rape is very possible woman-to-man.

I can't concieve of a woman being able to rape a conscious man. And why go through the trouble of drugging him if he'll most likely have sex with you anyway?

It just logically doesn't make much sense to me. I dunno.

Unless the woman was huge and muscular, in which case, I'd find it impossible to get hard in the first place so there's no threat of vaginal intercourse there.
I would not have sex with just any woman, there are lots of women I would never even consider having sex with. They would ahve to use force, cohersion or drugs to get me to.

I would not have sex without a condom - there is precident for rape in the UK if a woman agrees to sex with a condom and the man takes it off without telling her. A woman would have to sue force, cohersion or drugs again.

I would also not have sex with any woman apart from my missus. (well - maybe Kelly Brook...) and the only way a woman would be able to get me to would be via force or narcotics of some sort, again.

It is a VERY dangerous thing to say a man automatically consents to sex.


Please show me the relevant criminal statute.

Got bored looking through law and searching for legal cases (strangely I don't bookmark things I read about all the time - I note them mentally). Ok I took a whole 3 minutes. But really if you are not motivated to look yourself or read around the issue in your own time I really don't see why I should waste my time looking up links for you. Use google if you really doubt me.

Anyway - here is an example from Scotland: Linkey (http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/research/pdf_res_notes/rn01-46.pdf#search=%22law%20definition%20of%20rape%22)

If you don't believe me about definitions of rape in various states feel free to look up examples from America to prove me wrong.

Oh, but they can. :) Just not in the traditional manner (ie using a certain banana-shaped organ; unless they go plastic).

Well they can still use it just not their own,they could restrain a man and force his inside them...

Well they can still use it just not their own,they could restrain a man and force his inside them...
Drugs/Alcohol.

Cohersion.

Well they can still use it just not their own,they could restrain a man and force his inside them...
I've explained already. I'm not in the habit of repeating myself.

Lol love that logic, yes its your fault the sperm that resulted in your conception carried the Y chromosome. Unless they mean they expect all men to get gender re-assignments?

Something like that. If I recall correctly, I stated that the high count of rape wasn't my problem; it was law enforcement's. Simply put, I don't commit it, and as far as prosecuting those who do commit it and encouraging victims to come forward, I would leave that to the professionals...as in the people who should be doing that anyway. That wasn't good enough for some people, it seems.

When I went to college, every year there was a march of a bunch of potentially angry women on campus called "Take Back the Night." It had to do with trying to prevent and prosecute campus rape. Good cause, sure, but it was restricted to women only. Men were not allowed to march with them. Great move, people, turning it into an us vs. them situation. That solves precisely nothing. Frankly, college campuses are a bastion of this same anti-male vitriolic bullshit anyway. It's a wonder there hasn't been an all-out gender war.

Well they can still use it just not their own,they could restrain a man and force his inside them...
It is important to remember that sex is not always about the man's penis. Rape is not always about a penis being inserted somewhere. A woman could force a man to perform oral sex on her, or she could fondle him against his wishes, or she could use a foreign object on his body, or a whole host of other awful things that would not in any way require that his penis be hard.

Really, lads, sex is not all about your penis, and rape is not all about penetration.

It is important to remember that sex is not always about the man's penis. Rape is not always about a penis being inserted somewhere. A woman could force a man to perform oral sex on her, or she could fondle him against his wishes, or she could use a foreign object on his body, or a whole host of other awful things that would not in any way require that his penis be hard.

Really, lads, sex is not all about your penis, and rape is not all about penetration.
Well put. As for a woman coercing a man to do any of these things, this is definitely not unlikely - some women can (strength, martial arts skill, subterfuge, whatever) and will. It's improbable, but more than possible.

Well put. As for a woman coercing a man to do any of these things, this is definitely not unlikely - some women can (strength, martial arts skill, subterfuge, whatever) and will. It's improbable, but more than possible.

Alcohol/Drugs too.

A lot of men ahve had sex with women while under similar levels of alcohol influence that would allow a woman to claim rape.

Although the horifically low conviction rates for men who use such methods basically mean in legal practice it is shamefully barely considered a crime regardless of which gender is involved.

Alcohol/Drugs too.
I include this under the heading "subterfuge." ;)

A lot of men ahve had sex with women while under similar levels of alcohol influence that would allow a woman to claim rape.
It's hardly unheard of for a woman to spike a guy's drink to have intercourse with him.

Although the horifically low conviction rates for men who use such methods basically mean in legal practice it is shamefully barely considered a crime regardless of which gender is involved.
Too true.

Well put. As for a woman coercing a man to do any of these things, this is definitely not unlikely - some women can (strength, martial arts skill, subterfuge, whatever) and will. It's improbable, but more than possible.
It really horrifies me to see people claiming that a woman can't rape a man because all men always want sex with any woman. That's just sick. The vast majority of men DON'T want to have sex with any woman at any time, and it's deeply fucked up to suggest that simply being male means automatic consent to all sexual activity. It's as fucked up as saying that any woman who wears a short skirt is obviously consenting to sex with any man at any time.

Although the horifically low conviction rates for men who use such methods basically mean in legal practice it is shamefully barely considered a crime regardless of which gender is involved.
Indeed. Drugging somebody so you can have sex with them is rape, no matter what the genders of the people involved.

It's hardly unheard of for a woman to spike a guy's drink to have intercourse with him.

O_o I've almost never heard of that happening. It's usually the story of the guy with the drugs or water bottle full of dilluted LSD that preys on women at raves or parties or something.

O_o I've almost never heard of that happening. It's usually the story of the guy with the drugs or water bottle full of dilluted LSD that preys on women at raves or parties or something.
Sexual assault, whether against women or men, is usually committed by males. However, this does not mean that women do not or cannot commit such assault.

O_o I've almost never heard of that happening. It's usually the story of the guy with the drugs or water bottle full of dilluted LSD that preys on women at raves or parties or something.
Oh it happens quite a bit here in England - I'm not sure about the rest of Europe though.

Oh it happens quite a bit here in England - I'm not sure about the rest of Europe though.

Hm, interesting.

None of this would have happened if they had used contraception.

None of this would have happened if they had used contraception.
The woman, or her parents?

The woman, or her parents?

I meant the woman and her significant other(aka guy she beat up with a baby). I'm assuming it was his baby.

Oh, sure, I believe women have the right to defend themselves against violence, domestic or otherwise, to the extent of their abilities, but ...

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=161556

I suppose there wasn't a fireplace poker handy or anything ...
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Things that like this make me so mad. Sooo fucking maaad!

Well put. As for a woman coercing a man to do any of these things, this is definitely not unlikely - some women can (strength, martial arts skill, subterfuge, whatever) and will. It's improbable, but more than possible.

The woman doesn't have to be physically able to subdue the man. All she needs is a gun and a pair of handcuffs.

The woman doesn't have to be physically able to subdue the man. All she needs is a gun and a pair of handcuffs.
A woman could also use other methods of non-physical force. For instance, she could threaten to fire a man if he refused to have sex with her.

Remember, also, that most rape occurs between people who know each other. A huge percentage of rape occurs either within families or between two people who are in a romantic relationship. Many of these cases do not involve physical force beyond the rape itself, but rather rely on threats and emotional abuse.

The woman doesn't have to be physically able to subdue the man. All she needs is a gun and a pair of handcuffs.
I know - I accounted for that, and for any other method a woman may use. What I meant was that if she were to resort to physical coercion, there are ways she could do so without being "huge and muscular."