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I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

No.

No way am I sharing anything with those filthy Canadians.

depends on what the actual agreement was and such. In general, I would.

No way am I sharing anything with those filthy Canadians.

psht...you might as well be canadian

Perhaps this is sheer paranoia, but does this sound anything like Oceania/SE Asia or any other of the unions in 1984?

I would not be in favor, and I cant really see it working. If the EU ever becomes the super-region it was supposed to be, there may be little choice. I would prefer that my country kept all of its autonomy, and I cant see that happening. The worst case scenario is that heavy taxes are sucked from the north and all paid down to the south. I certainly cant imagine US districts having any power in such a situation.

And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

Maybe a couple. But for the most part, no one here is going to support it.

psht...you might as well be canadian

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

*sticks out tongue*
*scampers away*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_Prosperity_Partnership_of_North_America

http://www.spp.gov/

i think its already begun.

Perhaps this is sheer paranoia, but does this sound anything like Oceania/SE Asia or any other of the unions in 1984?

depends what kind of union it is. I would be in support of the economic union that the EU started as...get a common currency, get rid of trade boundaries, that kinda stuff.

I'm not for a North American federation, however.

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

Hells no. Sparkle someone else's eyes.

I'd support it mind you I'm European so ignore me :( (I don't think this would work out too well though Canada and Mexico even combined would have no where near as much power as the U.S)

depends what kind of union it is. I would be in support of the economic union that the EU started as...get a common currency, get rid of trade boundaries, that kinda stuff.

I'm not for a North American federation, however.

No, I see no reason to have a common currency and we already got rid of trade barriers. Remember NAFTA.

Also I read the two links provided in the other post. Isn't it funny how everything is to help "prevent" terrorism? Sad when terrorism is used just as another tool to scare the populace.

I'd support it mind you I'm European so ignore me :( (I don't think this would work out too well though Canada and Mexico even combined would have no where near as much power as the U.S)

ahhh 2 new states..Mexikansas, and Canadia

Thanks Zilam for illustrating just why it'll never happen.

ahhh 2 new states..Mexikansas, and Canadia

well if that’s so you get are Queen *plots takeover and what pictures of the Queen goes on the back of all North American money*

Thanks Zilam for illustrating just why it'll never happen.

I do what I can to help out the team -nods-

I thought there already was a North American Union. Isn't called "The United States of America" or something like that?

No, I see no reason to have a common currency and we already got rid of trade barriers. Remember NAFTA.

well, the EC had several other aspects to it. I'm not saying all would be good, but they are worth the consideration...perhaps a joint body to develop intranational transport? (rail and highway in particular)

The common currency wouldn't have nearly the impact it had on Europe, as we are much larger nations, and much fewer. It would help those living near the boarders, however.

The trade barriers, mreh. You can't ignore the soft wood issue between the US. Setting up better guidelines about how subsidies can work might be helpful

Just tossing out ideas here...none of these are actual opinions of mine untill I saw more info about them

well if that’s so you get are Queen *plots takeover and what pictures of the Queen goes on the back of all North American money*


Pfft, everone knows I'd be Supreme Imperial Sith Chancellor of the galaxy. Wait, what are we talkin about again? oh yeah, forget your queen, and her stanky panties.

I thought there already was a North American Union. Isn't called "The United States of America" or something like that?

I thought the USA ruled the world?

I thought the USA ruled the world?

Is it possible to stay on topic?

Is it possible to stay on topic?

No.

Is it possible to stay on topic?

No. this is NS general. We have persistant and severe collective ADD/ADHD

Is it possible to stay on topic?

Yes no

No. this is NS general. We have persistant and severe collective ADD/ADHD

True.

No. this is NS general. We have persistant and severe collective ADD/ADHD

Look butterflies!!!

I would not support it and do no support it. As it is already law, the NAFTA super highway is pretty much built, along with the trans-Texas corridor, we have unbelievable and uncontrolled immigration and we have had several joint sessions of legislatures with the American, Canadian and Mexican legislatures. The NAU already exists.

I would not support it and do no support it. As it is already law, the NAFTA super highway is pretty much built, along with the trans-Texas corridor, we have unbelievable and uncontrolled immigration and we have had several joint sessions of legislatures with the American, Canadian and Mexican legislatures. The NAU already exists.

Riiiiiight :rolleyes: We all know it will never happen, no matter how hard they try. The people of the US are too arrogant to give mexicans or canadians the same power as them.

Sure, it'd be great for the economies of both Canada and the U.S, but what about Mexico? It's considerably poorer than both of its northern neighbours.
There's just too many implications to consider.
It only worked in Europe's case because most European nations are fairly on par with each other in the wealth department, at least more equal than Canada or the USA compared to Mexico.

No.

French-Canada would probably all off themselves if it happend. (So I take that back, maybe we SHOULD incorporate Canada)

America would just look at Canada and Mexico as new states, which is not so bad from an American point of view, but would be obviously hated by Canadians and Mexs.

I dont want to combine with Mexico, as we'd inherit all the Mexicans, all their problems with poverty, sickeness, corruption, and culture. Its not something I'd like to add to the country en masse. :rolleyes:

Riiiiiight :rolleyes: We all know it will never happen, no matter how hard they try. The people of the US are too arrogant to give mexicans or canadians the same power as them.

No, we are not arrogant. It is called pride in one country's independance and national soverignty.

Riiiiiight :rolleyes: We all know it will never happen, no matter how hard they try. The people of the US are too arrogant to give mexicans or canadians the same power as them.

Canadians...meh, thats debatable.

Mexicans...nope.

I dont want to combine with Mexico, as we'd inherit all the Mexicans, all their problems with poverty, sickeness, corruption, and culture. Its not something I'd like to add to the country en masse. :rolleyes:

Yeah, combinig with Mexico would be a horrible idea, but in no way is the Mexican culture a bad thing. (And no I am no big fan of Mexicans but lets be realistic.)

I for one don't see a problem with it....

Yeah, combinig with Mexico would be a horrible idea, but in no way is the Mexican culture a bad thing. (And no I am no big fan of Mexicans but lets be realistic.)

Well, ...define "bad". There are tons of things I dont like about the atmosphere in Mexico, the culture. But whether it is good or bad sorta depends on your own views. Anyway, to settle it Mexico has Latin American culture which is not what America nor what Canada has. If there was a union between America and (Anglo) Canada, (I cant see french-Canada joing this union), it might be workable, but only after long talks and discussions.

Canadians...meh, thats debatable.

Mexicans...nope.

Might as well not debate about it; we wouldn't want to opt for your nation's conventions on public representation, for starters. Long story short: ain't happening.

If there was a union between America and (Anglo) Canada, (I cant see french-Canada joing this union), it might be workable, but only after long talks and discussions.

I'd be claiming my dual Canadian/Quebecois citizenship and moving back to Montreal in a heartbeat.

If there was a union between America and (Anglo) Canada, (I cant see french-Canada joing this union), it might be workable, but only after long talks and discussions.

I am not saying it would work. (I think it would fail to be honest. The US and Canada are just to different then Mexico on all social and economic issues.) I was just saying that I don't think that the Mexican or Latino culture is all that bad. But, then again I'm from New England so I don't expierance a huge Mexican influence on a daily bases.

Oh, Dobbs, I am not promoting this, simply answering the OP in a "what if" style. Dont worry, I dont want to live within the same border as you either.;)

I am not saying it would work. (I think it would fail to be honest. The US and Canada are just to different then Mexico on all social and economic issues.) I was just saying that I don't think that the Mexican or Latino culture is all that bad.
I agree. As for Latino culture, meh, I like our anglo-culture better, but growing up in heavily hispanic states has given me various latino influences. I like alot of them, and I like spanish (I'm pretty good at it) and I dont mind the people, but I still value our culture as better, and I dont think mixing them is the best thing, but rather preserving both of our cultures and our differences.

I agree. As for Latino culture, meh, I like our anglo-culture better, but growing up in heavily hispanic states has given me various latino influences. I like alot of them, and I like spanish (I'm pretty good at it) and I dont mind the people, but I still value our culture as better, and I dont think mixing them is the best thing, but rather preserving both of our cultures and our differences.

I agree. (And being someone very proud of his English and French culture, also as someone who strongly opposes multiculturalism, I can agree.) I misinterperted what you said earlier.

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

Ab-so-ma-freaking-lutely!

NAU all the way!

I agree. (And being someone very proud of his English and French culture, I can agree.) I misinterperted what you said earlier.

No problem, happy we share opinions. :)

Ab-so-ma-freaking-lutely!

NAU all the way!

Really? Why?

Really? Why?

It's a step towards internationalism, economic growth, opening of borders and markets, elimination of silly ethnic hostilities towards Mexicans, unification of labor laws and the rest.

Depends on who is president here...

It's a step towards internationalism, economic growth, opening of borders and markets, elimination of silly ethnic hostilities towards Mexicans, unification of labor laws and the rest.

Which in return leads to extreme nationalism, economies so tied together that one country has a slow down they all feel it, an easier way for drug trafficers to get in thanks to their being next to no borders, stronger divides on ethnic lines because the everyday populace is forced to interact with each other.

Plus it would be a clash of political and economic ideologies. Mexico is poor and therefore tends to favor left-wing socialist policies. While America is prosperous and prefers free-market policies.

i can tell you for a fact that at the very least half of the people in the United States will not be happy if such a thing happened. it could very well be the thing that breaks the union, and for good this time.

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

:fluffle:

Absomalutely! The Canadians and the Mexicans are our friends.

Which in return leads to extreme nationalism, economies so tied together that one country has a slow down they all feel it, an easier way for illegal weapons traffickers to get in thanks to their being next to no borders, stronger divides along political lines because the everyday populace is forced to interact with each other.

Fixed for Canadians.

:fluffle:

Absomalutely! The Canadians and the Mexicans are our friends.

It doesn't matter if they are our friends. What matters is does it work.

Plus it would be a clash of political and economic ideologies. Mexico is poor and therefore tends to favor left-wing socialist policies. While America is prosperous and prefers free-market policies.

And Canada is prosperous but also favours left-wing socialist policies.

Fixed for Canadians.

Thanks.

:fluffle:

Absomalutely! The Canadians and the Mexicans are our friends.

Don't be so quick with the hugs and kisses there, sport.

And Canada is prosperous but also favours left-wing socialist policies.

Right so US intersts will not be equall represented.

Right so US intersts will not be equall represented.

Really, it sounds like no-one's interests would be represented within such a union, equally or not.

Really, it sounds like no-one's interests would be represented within such a union, equally or not.

Or maybe...oh my god...a new public weal might develop!

Really, it sounds like no-one's interests would be represented within such a union, equally or not.

Right, that is why we should not form that union.

Don't be so quick with the hugs and kisses there, sport.
Ah, come on. You know that most of us Americans are cool dudes that are likeable.

...right? :(

Ah, come on. You know that most of us Americans are cool dudes that are likeable.

...right? :(

...riiiight. Right up until someone declares another War on yet another noun, and then all bets are off.

...riiiight. Right up until someone declares another War on yet another noun, and then all bets are off.

It's a tough world to be a noun in, these days.

The conspiracy theory surrounding this (which is, if it is completed exactly how it was imagined, a highway to make it easier to import things from mexico by truck) makes it out to be the US turning over power to the mexican government, or something equally stupid.

It's a tough world to be a noun in, these days.

That's eminently siggable.

And Canada is prosperous but also favours left-wing socialist policies.

I think thats a bit over-stated. Didnt you guys vote in the right wing party? And also, you're incorrectly speaking for the whole country. Alberta is hardly in favor or left-wing socialist policies.

I think thats a bit over-stated. Didnt you guys vote in the right wing party? And also, you're incorrectly speaking for the whole country. Alberta is hardly in favor or left-wing socialist policies.

Mr. Harper's hold on power is tenuous at best - and transitory, at that. And the wealthy Bible-belt of southern Alberta is hardly representative of the whole country, either.

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

Hell. Fucking. No.

...riiiight. Right up until someone declares another War on yet another noun, and then all bets are off.

...well, I'm not like that. If it weren't for the fact that where I live has the perfect climate for me, not to mention perfect balance of businesses and away-from-everythingness, I just might move to Canada.

Mr. Harper's hold on power is tenuous at best - and transitory, at that.
Time will tell.

And the wealthy Bible-belt of southern Alberta is hardly representative of the whole country, either.
I agree, I'm just trying to make a point that you cant sum up all of Canada as socialist leftists.

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?
Ummmmm. No fricken way!!

I believe that a union of states and provinces left with little interference from a central authority and a common currency and trade practices would overall be a good thing. People have their heads wrapped around silly nationalistic notions however, and it ain't happenin' any time soon.

No Mexican or Canadian wants to see their nations be absorbed by the name 'United States of America', just as US citizens don't want to give up on the stars and stripes for some vague notion of 'North American-ness'.

Maybe some other century.

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

I would fully support such a measure, if I thought it would amount to anything.

My prefered U.S. foreign policy would be to give a big middle-finger to the Eastern Hemisphere and ignore them utterly, focusing all efforts on helping to develop economies and inter-governmental ties in the Western Hemisphere, with the eventual goal of unifying both continents into one nation.

The peoples of the Americas have far more in common that Asians, Europeans and Africans do, so this is not an unrealistic goal...

... and by the time the other side of the world figures out what we're up to, global dominance is assured. :p

But, as this thread clearly demonstrates, such a union won't be happnening any time soon.

I heard that back in 2005 when Bush met with Fox (The President of Mexico.) and the Prime Minister of Canada that the three of them sat down and tried to draw up a plan to form a North American Union. (An organization similar to the EU.) And was wondering if anybody here would support that?

I'm European and don't support the EU so screw an American version of the EU!