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Just now I was talking with some friends and it got to smart talk, and I reallly hate smart talk..

But anyway.. they keep saying that pot is a much worse drug than alcohol, and yes, alcohol is a drug.

Well, what do you guys think?

What's worse? Pot or alcohol?

And I don't want you to just vote in the poll, please explain why you think which is worse, and none of that "they're both bad" crap..

Considering the physical and mental damage it can cause, alcohol is by far more dangerous. And that's without taking into account alcohol-fueled violence.

Alcohol.
They're about the same strength, but alcohol is (way) more poisonous then pot.
So it's more dangerous, especially considering you're not going to remember to hold back on your alchy intake when you're that drunk.

I dont think either one are bad, I love them both. Though I suppose from a purely objective viewpoint alcohol is worse.

Alcohol. I remember accidentally having this same discussion with my parents back in the Pleistocene, when I was young, and being shocked and aghast by my mother's reaction to my admission that I smoked pot. My father was more angry with me because I pissed off my mom, than over the fact that I smoked. I do think alcohol can do more damage than pot. That said, it wasn't until I started smoking pot that I started smoking cigarettes, so there is something to be said for pot leading to stronger drugs.

Considering the physical and mental damage it can cause, alcohol is by far more dangerous. And that's without taking into account alcohol-fueled violence.
That. ^

I have seen way too many alcoholics in my life, but I have yet to see even one person driven to that kind of self-destruction (and destruction of the lives of others around them) by pot.

alcohol of course, besides being physically addictive, you can die of alcohol poisoning.

I don't think anyone gets "pot poisoning"....

alcohol of course, besides being physically addictive, you can die of alcohol poisoning.

I don't think anyone gets "pot poisoning"....

I just spent this afternoon talking to a guy who gets recurrent pneumothorax's from his pot habit.

I don't think anyone gets "pot poisoning"....


I think the medical term is 'cancer'.

Considering the physical and mental damage it can cause, alcohol is by far more dangerous. And that's without taking into account alcohol-fueled violence.

You're right. There is also the drink-driving problem. I'd say that alcohol is the worse.

I just spent this afternoon talking to a guy who gets recurrent pneumothorax's from his pot habit.

And my uncle died of liver cirrhosis aged 48.
Nobody claims that either of the two are completely harmless, the question is which one is more dangerous.

And my uncle died of liver cirrhosis aged 48.
Nobody claims that either of the two are completely harmless, the question is which one is more dangerous.

I never argued that point. I was just quoting the statement that no-one ever dies of pot poisoning

Booze n pot in moderation, kids!

It takes 40,000 joints to kill someone, but much less alchohol to kill someone.

Pot doesn't kill or cause addiction, alcohol does.

And then there's drunk driving, violence, all related to alcohol, whereas only inactivity, apathy, and sometimes recklessness with pot...

Alcohol is worse than pot, yet pot is illegal and alchohol is sold by the State of North Carolina. :rolleyes:

I don't think anyone gets "pot poisoning"....

You could, but you would have to smoke absurd amounts(like lying on the top of a burning pot silo), and theres also asphixation(sp.?) if your in a small environment

It should be noted driving stoned is not such a stellar idea either.

I just spent this afternoon talking to a guy who gets recurrent pneumothorax's from his pot habit.
I know people who have health problems caused by excess alcohol abuse, that is not the same as alcohol poisoning.
I think the medical term is 'cancer'.
you can get cancer from alcohol abuse as well.

alcohol poisoning is much more rampant and dangerous than the off chance that you might get cancer that may or may not kill you in a number of years (which btw can be caused by just about anything) alcohol poisoning kills you in a matter of hours, I don't know of any conditions caused by weed that would kill you in a matter of hours (other than extreme stupidity which a lot of people seem to have without the aid of drugs and alcohol)

You could, but you would have to smoke absurd amounts(like lying on the top of a burning pot silo), and theres also asphixation(sp.?) if your in a small environment

Hmm...burning pot silo...bwahaha...*new project*

I never argued that point. I was just quoting the statement that no-one ever dies of pot poisoning

Well, alcohol can kill you in one sitting. I somehow doubt that pot can.

Well, alcohol can kill you in one sitting. I somehow doubt that pot can.

that was my point, I guess I should have worded it differently rather than comparing the actual instance of alcohol poisoning to the non-existance of a similar instance with pot by using the same phrase.

Define 'worse'.

You could, but you would have to smoke absurd amounts(like lying on the top of a burning pot silo), and theres also asphixation(sp.?) if your in a small environment
At a festival me and some mates went in a really small tent and had a bit of fun. Apart from one bloke who passed out afterwards for two hours, but I think it was just because he had too much. But it was funny at the time.

Well, alcohol can kill you in one sitting. I somehow doubt that pot can.

I'm not arguing the danger of both in comparison just pointing out to one person that pot can also cause serious health problems

I'm not arguing the danger of both in comparison just pointing out to one person that pot can also cause serious health problems

and I never said it didn't.

You're right. There is also the drink-driving problem. I'd say that alcohol is the worse.


well you can have accidents while driving under the influence of weed.

and I never said it didn't.

Ok sorry about that :)

Yeah but stoners drive at about 10mph

Define 'worse'.

Causes more harm.

More negative effects.

Yeah but stoners drive at about 10mph
Oh yeah?
In a large study of almost 3,400 fatally injured drivers from 3 Australian states (Victoria, New South Wales, and Western Australia) between 1990 and 1999, drugs other than alcohol were present in 26.7 percent of the cases.8 These included cannabis (13.5 percent), opioids (4.9 percent), stimulants (4.1 percent), benzodiazepines (4.1 percent), and other psychotropic drugs (2.7 percent). Almost 10 percent of the cases involved both alcohol and drugs.

THC affects areas of the brain that control the body’s movements, balance, coordination, memory, and judgment abilities, as well as sensations. Because these effects are multifaceted, more research is required to understand marijuana's impact on the ability of drivers to react to complex and unpredictable situations. However, we do know that:

* A meta-analysis of approximately 60 experimental studies, including laboratory, driving simulator, and on-road experiments, found that behavioral and cognitive skills related to driving performance were impaired in a dose-dependent fashion with increasing THC blood levels.12
* Evidence from both real and simulated driving studies indicates that marijuana can negatively impact a driver's attentiveness, perception of time and speed, and the ability to draw on information obtained through past experiences.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/driving.html


or


In 2001, about 38,000 high school seniors in the U.S. reported that they crashed while driving under the influence of marijuana.
http://rileychildrenshospital.com/document.jsp?locid=2023

Causes more harm.

More negative effects.

In terms of raw numbers, alcohol, by a mile.

Which is safer??

Let me put it this way...if I woke up tomorrow, and pot was legal in the U.S., I would never drink again.

Both have health risks, but Alcohol has a whole host of side-effects that pot simply doesn't have.

Pot is worse by merit of making its adovocates so goddamned annoying.
Mor importantly, a quick look at the various great men and women of history will turn up a lot of drunks, but almost no stoners.

Pot is worse by merit of making its adovocates so goddamned annoying.
Mor importantly, a quick look at the various great men and women of history will turn up a lot of drunks, but almost no stoners.

I wish i could just :gundge: those damn assholes. Ruin my trip to the Arch will you? Fawkers.

I wish i could just :gundge: those damn assholes. Ruin my trip to the Arch will you? Fawkers.

:confused:

Pot is worse by merit of making its adovocates so goddamned annoying.


At least legalization advocates aren't very persistent...i.e. you will never, ever have a problem with stoners handing out pamphlets on your doorstop at obscene hours of the morning (before noon). Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, or politicos, on the other hand...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/FlyingHigh.gif

Abstinance.

Considering the physical and mental damage it can cause, alcohol is by far more dangerous. And that's without taking into account alcohol-fueled violence.

Yeah, pretty much.

Just now I was talking with some friends and it got to smart talk, and I reallly hate smart talk..

But anyway.. they keep saying that pot is a much worse drug than alcohol, and yes, alcohol is a drug.

Well, what do you guys think?

What's worse? Pot or alcohol?

And I don't want you to just vote in the poll, please explain why you think which is worse, and none of that "they're both bad" crap..
I quit smoking pot 15 years ago.
I still drink.
Alcohol is by far the worse of the two.
I believe there is no recorded occassion of Marijuana overdose(that is overdose and not some poor bastard with an alergy)
Where you can quit easily drink yourself to death in a single sitting if you are so motivated--especially if you are snorting coke or droping acid along with it...but that isnt the subject.

Alcohol is legal and relatively socially acceptable so therefore it is more readily available and you will suffer no dnager from law enforcement if you are not breaking any laws regarding the location of consumption.

Therefore you may feel free to drink more.

If I am drunk I will hit you. This is a statement many drinkers will go along with.

If I am stoned I will hit you---doesnt sound as believable does it?

Pot should ofr all intents and purposes be completely legal--especially if Alcohol and fecking tobacco are legal.

I say this being a person who hates pot--I hate the buzz, and I hate having my throat burned up.

But lets not be stupid--alcohol is far more dangerous then pot.