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Is it just an idle idea in Deep Kimchi's mind, or are people in authority really thinking about it?

http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2006/10/exclusive-sir-ian-blair-says-new.html

Last week, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner addressed the Reform Club Media Group. Nothing like the 'establishment' sticking together is there? The meeting was conducted under Chatham House rules, which mean that no one attending is supposed to divulge what is said. But one person present was so appalled at Sir Ian's attitude and authoritarian stance that he has revealed to me an alarming - and seemingly off the cuff - remark made by Sir Ian at the event.

Sir Ian said the British people should 'brace themselves for a truly appalling act of terror'. He said that following this act of barbarism 'people would be talking quite openly about internment', giving the impression that he would be leading the pro-internment lobby. No doubt he will find a willing supplicant in the tougher than tough Home Secretary John Reid.

Sure, it's just a blog - with access to a meeting that the press evidently doesn't have.

But, I'm convinced that they are talking seriously about internment as an option in the US - it only seems logical that they would be talking seriously about it in the UK.

Whether you are for or against internment, the fact that it's being discussed is of grave import (either way).

Considering that we've already signed into law something that allows the President to declare virtually anyone an "enemy combatant" and doesn't have to comply with habeas corpus, perhaps we've already given that power to the President.

Well, you Brits better get Guy Fawkes masks in mass production. I got the Benedict Arnold masks already.

Here? No. People remember the screwover the Japanese got from our righteous goverment.

About the only thing I could see that really happening is if somebody sets off a nuke.

It's just in your mind. After the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, I don't think people in this country would stand for it.

It's just in your mind. After the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, I don't think people in this country would stand for it.
Or at least not enough for them to get away with it again. You always need to make alowances for a few nuts who might think its the greatest idea since sliced bread.

Welcome to oceania.

I'm starting to think orwell was more of a prophet than a writer, and I'm not a religious type...

Or at least not enough for them to get away with it again. You always need to make alowances for a few nuts who might think its the greatest idea since sliced bread.

The person who made the remark may be correct in thinking that if a particular act is heinous enough, the electorate may demand internment, no matter what the past has shown us.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were internment camps up and running right now.

People remember the screwover the Japanese got from our righteous goverment.

No they don't. And a lot that do don't care. When you give yourself the ability to strip people of their humanity, it doesn't matter who they are or what has previously happened. Neither Indian Reservations or the Holocaust stopped the Japanese Interment, why would the Interment stop anything now?

If this goes through, here is what will happen.
Stage 1: Non-citizens and Middle Eastern citizens with slightly provable "terrorist" ties will hit internment.
Stage 2: Illegal aliens, meaning Mexicans crossing the border, maybe a few South Americans.
Stage 3: Citizen non-Muslims with suspected "terrorist ties."

If we are lucky, it stops there. However, since this is not a race issue and the law already exists that anyone can be declared an enemy combatinent and thusly stripped of humanity, I wouldn't put money on it because by then, you are going about 30mph down one hell of an icy slope.

The person who made the remark may be correct in thinking that if a particular act is heinous enough, the electorate may demand internment, no matter what the past has shown us.

It's possible, but still I don't think its very likely.

It's possible, but still I don't think its very likely.

I would concede it's not likely, but I do believe it's possible, given a sufficiently provocative terrorist act.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were internment camps up and running right now.

The law already exists for the conversion of old military facilities to interment camps.

The law already exists for the conversion of old military facilities to interment camps.

The question is, "who would be interned"?

I mean, the law that was recently enacted is rather vague about who can be declared an enemy combatant.

No they don't. And a lot that do don't care. When you give yourself the ability to strip people of their humanity, it doesn't matter who they are or what has previously happened. Neither Indian Reservations or the Holocaust stopped the Japanese Interment, why would the Interment stop anything now?

If this goes through, here is what will happen.
Stage 1: Non-citizens and Middle Eastern citizens with slightly provable "terrorist" ties will hit internment.
Stage 2: Illegal aliens, meaning Mexicans crossing the border, maybe a few South Americans.
Stage 3: Citizen non-Muslims with "suspected terrorist ties."

If we are lucky, it stops there. However, since this is not a race issue and the law already exists that anyone can be declared an enemy combatinent and thusly stripped of humanity, I wouldn't put money on it because by then, you are going about 30mph down one hell of an icy slope.

The aboriginals were never established themselves in the communty like the Japanese. Many didn't get a chance but many didn't want to.

As to Muslims, it's still different.

The japanese were rounded up. The crap now is just Mcarthyism on steroids.

No they don't. And a lot that do don't care. When you give yourself the ability to strip people of their humanity, it doesn't matter who they are or what has previously happened. Neither Indian Reservations or the Holocaust stopped the Japanese Interment, why would the Interment stop anything now?



Uh, the Holocaust and Japanese internment happened at the same time, as for Indian Reservations at the time of the Japanese internment most people didn't really cared about those. Now, however, most people recognise that the Japanese internment was a bad thing, which would make them more resistant to any attempts to recreate such acts.

The question is, "who would be interned"?

I mean, the law that was recently enacted is rather vague about who can be declared an enemy combatant.

Did the 1 line post somehow obscure my 10 line post?

Did the 1 line post somehow obscure my 10 line post?

I believe your post hit while I was writing mine.

Did we just agree on something?

Time to bathe!

internment did very little to stop terrorism from the IRA. it's not going to do much against any other terrorists. it's just a knee jerk reaction of people who are to lazy or too stupid or too pussy to tackle the problem at it's roots.

After 9/11 there were plenty of people talking along the lines of internment in the US. People who were saying "round them ALL up" when they were sweeping up many Muslims for detainment and questioning. Hell, at that time there were daily reports in the news on just how many were currently being detained. The notion that there would likely be some similar discussion if a horrific event happened in Britain is hardly suprising. Indeed, it would seem likely.


However, that does not mean that it would become either the predominant viewpoint nor official policy, and the quote does not state that it would.

I mean, the law that was recently enacted is rather vague about who can be declared an enemy combatant.

Which is what makes it so frightening, a vague law is very pliable, it can be twisted and bent to suit the person enforcing it.

Uh, the Holocaust and Japanese internment happened at the same time, as for Indian Reservations at the time of the Japanese internment most people didn't really cared about those. Now, however, most people recognise that the Japanese internment was a bad thing, which would make them more resistant to any attempts to recreate such acts.

Wrong, the Holocaust, which only concluded with the rounding up of Jews (everyone forgets the invalids, homosexuals, and gypsies, among others), had been going on for years prior.

Why did the Japanese internment happen? Dehumanization of Japanese through fear.

The japanese were rounded up. The crap now is just Mcarthyism on steroids.
Exactly, "now" is the keyword. As it stands, it is Mcarthyism. The law is being pumped up to hit "round-up."

Welcome to oceania.

I'm starting to think orwell was more of a prophet than a writer, and I'm not a religious type...Handmaid's Tale might fit better than 1984.

Handmaid's Tale might fit better than 1984.

*shudders* I'm moving to Canada if that happens!

where are the sources for this meeting which no one is allowed to disclose on but was maybe hinted by a mad old man (sounds like Bullshit imho)

no interment isn't an option in Britain were far too multicultural now sure the south and maybe Wales would get a few crackpot supporters but nothing really because here in Britain were used to people who look and/or are Muslim so shoo with your drunken blogger back to that heartland town you came from *sprays with Muslim coodies*

Wrong, the Holocaust, which only concluded with the rounding up of Jews (everyone forgets the invalids, homosexuals, and gypsies, among others), had been going on for years prior.Yes, put since most average people weren't aware of it their is no way it could have influenced their decision making.

Why did the Japanese internment happen? Dehumanization of Japanese through fear.


Exactly, "now" is the keyword. As it stands, it is Mcarthyism. The law is being pumped up to hit "round-up." The "law" might be, but there is a difference between what the Republicans might pass and what most people might support. There is also a difference to many people between doing things "over there" and doing them "here." There shouldn't be, but there does seem to be. I still don't see the people letting the goverment do that again with people in the US, at least not on that scale. They might allow it on a much smaller scale, unfortanetly.

It would take a nuclear attack against some place like San Diego to cause the mass internment of people. And that might not be enough.

It would take a nuclear attack against some place like San Diego to cause the mass internment of people. And that might not be enough.

You wish.

We had internment here from 1971 to 1975.

All it did was fuel terrorist recruitment.

The question is, "who would be interned"?

I mean, the law that was recently enacted is rather vague about who can be declared an enemy combatant.

IIRC, the law isn't vague at all. I believe the definition for who can be declared an enemy combatant is "whoever the Executive Branch wants to."

This would be a definite slide in the wrong direction...

Or at least not enough for them to get away with it again. You always need to make alowances for a few nuts who might think its the greatest idea since sliced bread.

I don't actualy think that sliced bread is that great, I mean hot cross buns are miles better!