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what do you think about bob jones convroversal no interracial dating policy? Im against it

Um... more information please?

does bob jones have non-white students?

i dont think they hide their policies so whatever people decide to go there should know that they dont allow interracial dating and should be HAPPY about the policy.

what private universities want to do is fine by me. keeps the racists out of the rest of the schools.

Black and white makes it grey
If that's the case they can't stay
If they're only a single coat
Then they may stay on the boat

I'm against Bob Jones University in general. I don't think that there is much that comes from that place that would make me think, "Awesome! That is as cool as random information on Arctic Warblers!"

Black and white makes it grey
If that's the case they can't stay
If they're only a single coat
Then they may stay on the boat

what? have you never took genitics and are you blind? first of all blacks are never rly "black" and it goes the same for whites. have you ever seen a grey mixed person? second of all the law of genitics insures even if we all mix we will not all look the same or even have all the same skin color

what do you think about bob jones convroversal no interracial dating policy? Im against it

I thought that policy was scratched 6 years ago ?

In any case, I am curious how race is determined. How can they know for certain if there wasn't some crossbreeding hundreds - or even thousands of years ago ? Or even worse: that those silly scientists that claim we are all descended from people that were more black than white are not actually right ?

If you really want to enforce such a policy and be realistic you must either forbid everyone to date someone else (since everyone will be a different blend) or just accept that we are all one human race. I prefer the second option ;)

Um... more information please?

Indeed, I've no idea what this thread is about.

There actually is a Bob Jones University? :eek:

See, I knew there was a reason I attended Bob Dobbs University instead.

Ok, so there is a Bob Jones University.

http://www.bju.edu/

Also, they dropped the ban on interracial dating.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/marchweb-only/53.0.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/03/04/bob.jones/

what do you think about bob jones convroversal no interracial dating policy? Im against it


They lifted that ban a long time ago. During the 2000 elections I believe.

Also their reasons for the ban were not based in racism but instead a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. They felt God created the many different races and peoples and scattered them around the Earth so that it would be difficult for Satan or the Anti-Christ to take over the world. It would be easier to convince a world of one nation, one people and one language to follow you to their doom as opposed to a wide assortment of people.

They lifted that ban a long time ago. During the 2000 elections I believe.

Also their reasons for the ban were not based in racism but instead a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. They felt God created the many different races and peoples and scattered them around the Earth so that it would be difficult for Satan or the Anti-Christ to take over the world. It would be easier to convince a world of one nation, one people and one language to follow you to their doom as opposed to a wide assortment of people.

I thought people were spread out because of the Tower of Bable.

I thought people were spread out because of the Tower of Bable.

oh yeah, that too. Well i am more or less paraphrasing what he said on the Larry King show back in 2000. Either way, he sincerely believed God wanted to keep the people separate for protection...or something along those lines.

i believe after a student poll showed they would like the ban to be lifted, he then lifted the ban.

either way, Bob Jones was just one of many feeding frenzies the media goes on during presidential election years. it really is pretty exciting to wait and see what will pop up next on an election trail.

2000 was a particularily interesting year with all the fuss over Al Gore supposedly claiming he invented the internet, Bush's "pop quiz" done by a reporter, The Confederate Flag controversy, Al Gore highering a coach to teach him the ways of an "alpha male", Bush's DUI arrest and that supposed subliminal advertisement. And this was all before Florida.

Do we really care what Blow Job University is doing these days? It's not as though the students at BJU are going to date members of other races anyway. They got rid of the policy years ago, but it's hard to see why they needed it to begin with.

Actually, the policy was dropped not after student polls indicated disfavor with it, but after the school got some publicity during the 2000 primaries, and George W was taking a beating for visiting an openly racist school. But I oppose BJU as a general principle (along with Jerry Falwell's own little project, Liberty University...*shudders*). What I really want to do at some point is go visit there (or Liberty) with some of my offensive, sarcastic, cynical, irreligious friends and raise hell. Armor of some kind will probably be necessary, along with a getaway vehicle.

Actually, the policy was dropped not after student polls indicated disfavor with it, but after the school got some publicity during the 2000 primaries, and George W was taking a beating for visiting an openly racist school. But I oppose BJU as a general principle (along with Jerry Falwell's own little project, Liberty University...*shudders*). What I really want to do at some point is go visit there (or Liberty) with some of my offensive, sarcastic, cynical, irreligious friends and raise hell. Armor of some kind will probably be necessary, along with a getaway vehicle.

Patrick Henry college. Students do things that one would expect of a homeschool-student orientated 3rd level christian college - like lobby to prevent payment to victims of Asbestos to stop the cost of business going up......

Patrick Henry college. Students do things that one would expect of a homeschool-student orientated 3rd level christian college - like lobby to prevent payment to victims of Asbestos to stop the cost of business going up......

Those "victims" probably didn't pray hard enough - that, or it's all just part of God's Plan that those unfortunates remain miserable. The students would just be helping God out with the fine details, or something.

Their policy doesn't really bother me. First of all I live in Oklahoma, I expect stupid crap like that. Second, I wouldn't date anyone who went to Bob Jones, so what do I care what their dating policy is?

(We have Oral Roberts U here, him and his 90 ft Jesus)

Their website has a picture of an asian on it...

Patrick Henry college. Students do things that one would expect of a homeschool-student orientated 3rd level christian college - like lobby to prevent payment to victims of Asbestos to stop the cost of business going up......

I knew a kid whose girlfriend was going to go there...they got married at age 17. Homeschooled kids in AZ scare the bejesus out of me as a general rule.

They lifted that ban a long time ago. During the 2000 elections I believe.

Also their reasons for the ban were not based in racism but instead a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. They felt God created the many different races and peoples and scattered them around the Earth so that it would be difficult for Satan or the Anti-Christ to take over the world. It would be easier to convince a world of one nation, one people and one language to follow you to their doom as opposed to a wide assortment of people.

Just to be fair to the poor fundamentalists, that's NOT a fundamentalist interpretation. It's an absurd one. They neatly ignore that Moses (a jew, and debatably "white") took a wife from Egypt (distinctly not "white") and God didn't exactly say "bad wife, that's inter-racial". And that's just an example. I'm not sure how people get off being stupid and blame it on God.

Just to be fair to the poor fundamentalists, that's NOT a fundamentalist interpretation. It's an absurd one. They neatly ignore that Moses (a jew, and debatably "white") took a wife from Egypt (distinctly not "white") and God didn't exactly say "bad wife, that's inter-racial". And that's just an example. I'm not sure how people get off being stupid and blame it on God.

It is called "selective reading of the Bible": you only read the parts you like.
It is done by many Christians that wish to justify things like their hate for homosexuals or Islam, as well as by "anti-Christians" that like to quote a few passages to show God is evil/stupid/etc. The same can be done with other Holy books, like the Koran: we have the fundamentalists that blow infidels up "because the Koran says so" and we have the mob that believes all muslems are evil "because the Koran says evil things" .

In other words: it is a human trait.

Their website has a picture of an asian on it...

Note, they didn't say that blacks, asian, hispanic, middle eastern couldn't attend, they just said that they couldn't date one another.

We realize that an interracial marriage is not going to bring in the world of antichrist by any means.
Sadly, it took them 5 decades to realize this fact...

Baby steps.

Um... more information please?
Indeed, I've no idea what this thread is about.
There actually is a Bob Jones University? :eek:


It's about Bob Jones University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University), aka, BJU. And yes, as Wilgrove discovered, it's a rather infamous fundamentalist Cristofacist religious institute. In particular, the OP's about BJU's racist policies.

(BTW, the infamous Fred Phelps attended BJU. That says much about the place.)

Here (http://www.troyandjessica.com/article/17/bob-jones-university-urban-legends.html) are some interesting myths and truths about BJU.

Bob Jones University

Bob Jones University (BJU) is a private, non-denominational Protestant Fundamentalist, liberal arts university located in Greenville, South Carolina. Founded in 1927 by Bob Jones, Sr. (1883-1968), an evangelist and younger contemporary of Billy Sunday, it is the largest private liberal arts university in South Carolina and has a reputation for being one of the most conservative of religious schools in the United States. Although not regionally accredited, the university is a member of, and candidate for accreditation by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, an accrediting organization recognized by the Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation.[1]

The current president of the University is Stephen Jones, the son of the previous president Bob Jones III. The university enrolls approximately 4,200 students representing every state and 50 foreign countries and employs a staff of 1450. It offers undergraduate degrees in over a hundred majors and also conducts precollege education from pre-kindergarten through high school.[2].

Racial

Although it admitted Asians and other minorities from its inception, BJU refused to enroll black students until 1971, eight years after the University of South Carolina and Clemson University had been integrated by court order. From 1971 to 1975, BJU admitted only married blacks, although the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had already determined in 1970 that "private schools with racially discriminatory admissions policies" were not entitled to federal tax exemption. Late in 1971, BJU filed suit to prevent the IRS from taking its tax exemption, but in 1974, in Bob Jones University v. Simon, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the University did not have standing to sue until the IRS actually assessed taxes. Four months later, on May 29, 1975, the University Board of Trustees authorized a change in policy to admit "students of any race," a move which occurred shortly before the announcement of the Supreme Court decision in Runyon v. McCrary (427 U.S. 160 [1976]), which prohibited racial exclusion in private schools.[26]

The university did not admit unmarried blacks until 1975. In a 2000 interview with Bob Jones III, the then-president said that interracial dating had been prohibited since 1950s and that the policy had originated in a complaint by parents of a male Asian student who believed that their son had "nearly married" a white girl.[27] In May 1975, as it prepared to allow unmarried blacks to enroll, BJU adopted more detailed rules prohibiting interracial dating and marriage--threatening expulsion for any student who dated or married interracially, who advocated interracial marriage, who was "affiliated with any group or organization which holds as one of its goals or advocates interracial marriage," or "who espouse, promote, or encourage others to violate the University's dating rules and regulations." [28]

On January 19, 1976, the Internal Revenue Service notified the University that its tax exemption had been revoked retroactively to December 1, 1970. The school appealed the IRS decision all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, arguing that the University met all other criteria for tax-exempt status and that the school's racial discrimination was based on sincerely held religious beliefs, that "God intended segregation of the races and that the Scriptures forbid interracial marriage." [29] The University was not challenged about the origin of its interracial dating policy, and the District Court accepted "on the basis of a full evidentiary record" BJU's argument that the rule was a sincerely held religious conviction, a finding affirmed by all subsequent courts.[30] In December 1978, the federal district court ruled in the University's favor; two years later, that decision was overturned by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.

On January 8, 1982, just before the case was to be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court, President Ronald Reagan authorized his Treasury and Justice Departments to ask that the BJU case be dropped and that the previous court decisions be vacated. Political pressure quickly brought the Reagan administration to reverse itself and to ask the Court to reinstate the case. Then, in a virtually unprecedented move, the Court invited William T. Coleman, Jr. to argue the government's position in an amicus curiae brief, thus insuring that the prosecution's position would be the one the Court wished to hear. The case was heard on October 12, 1982, and on May 24, 1983, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Bob Jones University in Bob Jones University v. United States (461 U.S. 574). The University refused to reverse its interracial dating policy and (with difficulty) paid a million dollars in back taxes. Also, in the year following the Court decision, contributions to the University declined by 13 percent.

In 2000, following a media uproar prompted by the visit of presidential candidate George W. Bush to the University, Bob Jones III abruptly dropped the interracial dating rule, announcing the change on CNN's "Larry King Live."[31] Five years later when asked by Newsweek for his view of the rule change, the current president, Stephen Jones, replied, "I've never been more proud of my dad...the night he lifted that policy."[32]

Despite its history on racial issues, BJU today has a student body that includes many international and minority students and a number of interracial couples, including members of the faculty and staff. The University has also established two 501(c)(3) charitable organizations to provide scholarship assistance solely for minority students.[33]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University#Racial



Their policy doesn't really bother me. First of all I live in Oklahoma, I expect stupid crap like that. Second, I wouldn't date anyone who went to Bob Jones, so what do I care what their dating policy is?

Growing up, the neighbors accross the street had all gone to BJU. Nice enough folks, but very odd ideas. If memory serves me rightly, they moved to Saudi Arabia.

(We have Oral Roberts U here, him and his 90 ft Jesus)

Good old Oral U!

BJU and Oral U - what lovely names....

(BTW, I suspect Designated Marksman/Captain Pooby may be attending one of these institutions, as he was rather cagey about naming the private school he was attending that exopelled a homosexual student.)

Their website has a picture of an asian on it...

Oddly enough, they always admited Asians.

Note, they didn't say that blacks, asian, hispanic, middle eastern couldn't attend, they just said that they couldn't date one another.

Actually, yes they did say no to blacks for 44 years. They only did admit blacks in 1971, when the IRS threatened their tax exempt status.

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Originally Posted by Andaluciae
Their website has a picture of an asian on it...

Oddly enough, they always admited Asians.

Yes they were considered "honorary whites" whcih seriously offends me. whats so honorable just being that?

what do you think about bob jones convroversal no interracial dating policy? Im against it

I think Bob Jones University is a disgrace to humanity, and should be obliterated in a violent, armed coup, and renamed the Post-Revolutionary Shiny Happy People's College of Whogivesafuck.