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Under the No Child Left Behind Act, if you attend a high school that receives federal funding your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military for recruitment purposes! (With the exception of a few private schools, almost every school in the USA receives federal funding.) Your school is NOT required to tell you that they are giving your private information to the military.

Under the No Child Left Behind Act, if you attend a high school that receives federal funding your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military for recruitment purposes! (With the exception of a few private schools, almost every school in the USA receives federal funding.) Your school is NOT required to tell you that they are giving your private information to the military.

ooc: This belongs in General (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1227) rather than Nationstates.

Theao is correct. Towed to NSG.

Under the No Child Left Behind Act, if you attend a high school that receives federal funding your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military for recruitment purposes! (With the exception of a few private schools, almost every school in the USA receives federal funding.) Your school is NOT required to tell you that they are giving your private information to the military.

What is your point? They're both U.S. gov't so it's just info changing agencies. It's not like they can force you to join, your just going to get a couple phone calls (oh no! the end of the world!)

Oh, no! The army will know that you're allergic to peanuts! Run for your lives! Seriously, it's just transferring information from one state institution to another -- if your school knows how old you are and such, why shouldn't the military know? It's not like you're being forced to join the army; conscription is over and done with.

Government agencies routinely share information with each other; the military can get information about people from the SSA or the IRS or anywhere else that civilian records are kept.

Also, if you're 18 you have to register for Selective Service by law; either way, the military is going to get your personal information and you're going to be contacted by them. I think it's perfectly reasonable considering schools are getting money from the Federal government.

Oh, no! The army will know that you're allergic to peanuts! Run for your lives! Seriously, it's just transferring information from one state institution to another -- if your school knows how old you are and such, why shouldn't the military know? It's not like you're being forced to join the army; conscription is over and done with.Simple: It's none of the military's business.

Oh, no! The army will know that you're allergic to peanuts! Run for your lives! Seriously, it's just transferring information from one state institution to another -- if your school knows how old you are and such, why shouldn't the military know? It's not like you're being forced to join the army; conscription is over and done with.

But the army will find out about our secret love! I can't part from you.

Simple: It's none of the military's business.

Actually, it is. The military has to have that information in order to enforce the Selective Service Act. The personal information you provide to the schools belongs to the various levels of the US government, and they can do whatever they want with it as long as it is legal.

Under the No Child Left Behind Act, if you attend a high school that receives federal funding your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military for recruitment purposes! (With the exception of a few private schools, almost every school in the USA receives federal funding.) Your school is NOT required to tell you that they are giving your private information to the military.

At my school they give you a form so that you have the option to not have your information sent to the military.

Where is the problem here. This is completely alright because they are both the government. The government also has the right to draft it's citizens.:eek: My question is when are people going to realize that your not going to survive as a nation without a military. Do some of you out there actually think that getting rid of everything military will solve all our problems? Our nation would most likely not last that long without one. So get over it and deal with it. If you do not want to join the military then don't. If you get drafted then that don't cry and serve your time.

Heh. Our school made us take the ASVAB in our junior years and provided our test scores to recruiters. I know because scores of 99 make them drool like a toddler with a lollypop. :)

Actually, it is. The military has to have that information in order to enforce the Selective Service Act. The personal information you provide to the schools belongs to the various levels of the US government, and they can do whatever they want with it as long as it is legal.Germany has a draft, not just a selective service program, and I'm damn sure they didn't get any information from my school. It isn't any of the military's business.

Where is the problem here. This is completely alright because they are both the government. Nope. They're different parts of the government and should not be sharing information.

Also, if you're 18 you have to register for Selective Service by law; either way, the military is going to get your personal information and you're going to be contacted by them. I think it's perfectly reasonable considering schools are getting money from the Federal government.

I've been wondering about this, is that only for males, or does it apply to females as well?

Germany has a draft, not just a selective service program, and I'm damn sure they didn't get any information from my school. It isn't any of the military's business.

Potential recruits are none of the military's business? What planet do you live on? It's better than the military knows who they should focus their attention on instead of just recruiting randomly.

Under the No Child Left Behind Act, if you attend a high school that receives federal funding your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military for recruitment purposes! (With the exception of a few private schools, almost every school in the USA receives federal funding.) Your school is NOT required to tell you that they are giving your private information to the military.

This is old news, and is why in my (public) school we fully inform our students in writing that they need to tell us (in writing) to a) release their information to both colleges and the military, b) release their information to the colleges only or c) release their information to the military only.

The writing the student and his family need to provide us is in the form of a tear-off with tick boxes indicating which of the three choices they prefer.

Germany has a draft, not just a selective service program, and I'm damn sure they didn't get any information from my school. It isn't any of the military's business.

I agree. Unfortunately, there is no direct constitutional protection to that information and the right to privacy that we have is trumped by the need to share information in ways that congress deems appropriate.

Keep in mind that the information agencies share can only be used for purposes that are specifically outlined by congress.

Well, until 2001, at least. :p

I've been wondering about this, is that only for males, or does it apply to females as well?

It's required for males. It's voluntary for females. Interesting huh?

Potential recruits are none of the military's business? What planet do you live on? It's better than the military knows who they should focus their attention on instead of just recruiting randomly.Yup. Recruits that sign up are the militaries business. They can put out commercials and send someone to schools and universities on Carreer Day, but the data given to a school should under no conditions be automatically handed from the Department of Education to the Department of Defense.

It's required for males. It's voluntary for females. Interesting huh?

That is interesting. So I guess I don't have to worry about it unless it changes.

I agree. Unfortunately, there is no direct constitutional protection to that information and the right to privacy that we have is trumped by the need to share information in ways that congress deems appropriate.

Keep in mind that the information agencies share can only be used for purposes that are specifically outlined by congress.

Well, until 2001, at least. :pWe have a word for the privacy of data in German: "Datenschutz". I have yet to find an equivalent in the English language, let alone an American Party in Congress that supports it to the degree that it is necessary.

Germany has a draft, not just a selective service program, and I'm damn sure they didn't get any information from my school. It isn't any of the military's business.

I think the law is different in the US than Germany?

That is interesting. So I guess I don't have to worry about it unless it changes.

Assuming you're female and in the United States? No. You don't have to register for selective service. It's optional for you.

Yup. Recruits that sign up are the militaries business. They can put out commercials and send someone to schools and universities on Carreer Day, but the data given to a school should under no conditions be automatically handed from the Department of Education to the Department of Defense.

Why not? If you enroll in a state institution, you must give whatever information is required to the state. There's no military questionaire asking you "how do you feel about the military" or anything even remotely like that. They are standard health and academic questions. There is nothing taht could be manipulated in a manner that is detrimental to society or you. Why are you being so defensive about your allergies and what you got on your SAT? The government is the government. The school and the military go together. It's not a big deal; it's basic background information that every branch of the government should know, and it should be their prerogative to decide how best to employ that information.

What is your point? They're both U.S. gov't so it's just info changing agencies. It's not like they can force you to join, your just going to get a couple phone calls (oh no! the end of the world!)

Spoken like a guy who doesn't know about a draft. Thee point is that the government isn't supposed to have secrets in the first place. We are entitled to know every thing thats going on. If some one has a copy of the patriot act I would like to read it.

Assuming you're female and in the United States? No. You don't have to register for selective service. It's optional for you.

Yes, I'm a female in the U.S. I thought that some people were trying to make it mandatory for females as well, and that's why I was asking.

We have a word for the privacy of data in German: "Datenschutz". I have yet to find an equivalent in the English language, let alone an American Party in Congress that supports it to the degree that it is necessary.

Well, the closest we get is the fourth amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

However, in it's present interpretation, there is no guarantee of privacy in the open. What that means is that actions in public places and participation in public events(such as school athletics program) are an automatic waiver of the right to privacy.

Yes, I'm a female in the U.S. I thought that some people were trying to make it mandatory for females as well, and that's why I was asking.

It's about time. Guys have been dieing the most so I think it's good for a few females to be added to the body count. Hate to say it but thats exactly whats going to happen when Bush declares himself dictator.

Spoken like a guy who doesn't know about a draft. Thee point is that the government isn't supposed to have secrets in the first place. We are entitled to know every thing thats going on. If some one has a copy of the patriot act I would like to read it.

The OP was about high schools giving personal info to the military for recruitment. Not selective service.

Heh. Our school made us take the ASVAB in our junior years and provided our test scores to recruiters. I know because scores of 99 make them drool like a toddler with a lollypop. :)

They sure as hell drooled over my younger brother. He was getting phone calls from military folks wanting him in the Air Force, Marines, Navy, Army, and all sorts of things for months afterwards.

Makes me glad I didn't take the ASVAB. It was not a requirement at my high school.

The OP was about high schools giving personal info to the military for recruitment. Not selective service.

And do you think I knew that the military was getting my records? No. Therefore it was kept from the public. Therefore it is a secret. Therefore IMPEACH THE ASSWIPE!

And do you think I knew that the military was getting my records? No. Therefore it was kept from the public. Therefore it is a secret. Therefore IMPEACH THE ASSWIPE!

You think that G.W. should be impeached b/c you didn't take the time to find a readily available bit of info? Sorry, but i don't believe in punishing one person for the blatant ignorance of another.

What is your point? They're both U.S. gov't so it's just info changing agencies. It's not like they can force you to join, your just going to get a couple phone calls (oh no! the end of the world!)

Privacy laws regarding information on citizens in the US are much more lax than in the UK. In the UK i'm pretty sure this would be very illegal.

I think the law is different in the US than Germany?Indeed. Because in Germany, there's a concept of data privacy that I find horribly lacking in the US.

Why not? If you enroll in a state institution, you must give whatever information is required to the state. There's no military questionaire asking you "how do you feel about the military" or anything even remotely like that. They are standard health and academic questions. There is nothing taht could be manipulated in a manner that is detrimental to society or you. Why are you being so defensive about your allergies and what you got on your SAT? The government is the government. The school and the military go together. It's not a big deal; it's basic background information that every branch of the government should know, and it should be their prerogative to decide how best to employ that information.No. The government is not the government. Department of Education and Department of Defense should not be working together. The military has no business knowing about your school background unless you personally give it to them.

The Department of Education is meeting the State's part of the deal when the State demands that citizens go to school. This should not be used as a back door for the military. Keep them separated.

Privacy laws regarding information on citizens in the US are much more lax than in the UK. In the UK i'm pretty sure this would be very illegal.

Yet they have cameras on every street corner.

They sure as hell drooled over my younger brother. He was getting phone calls from military folks wanting him in the Air Force, Marines, Navy, Army, and all sorts of things for months afterwards.

Makes me glad I didn't take the ASVAB. It was not a requirement at my high school.

It's actually an outstanding test and I thought it was far more complete than the SATs. Pity colleges don't use it or something similar.

No. The government is not the government.

The last time the US government did not work cohesively together, 9/11 happened. Do you want 9/11 to happen again? Do you hate America?

The last time the US government did not work cohesively together, 9/11 happened. Do you want 9/11 to happen again? Do you hate America?Last I checked, the Department of Education has no part in law enforcement. Take your irrelevancies elsewhere.

No. The government is not the government. Department of Education and Department of Defense should not be working together. The military has no business knowing about your school background unless you personally give it to them.

The Department of Education is meeting the State's part of the deal when the State demands that citizens go to school. This should not be used as a back door for the military. Keep them separated.

It's an issue for congress and(should it ever reach the courts) the Supreme Court. They decide what 'reasonable expectation of privacy' covers and doesn't cover. Oh, and this is a far older issue than the currnt administration. This has come up quite a few times before. The biggest recent one was the Privacy Act of 1974(I think it was 1974).

Why not? If you enroll in a state institution, you must give whatever information is required to the state. There's no military questionaire asking you "how do you feel about the military" or anything even remotely like that. They are standard health and academic questions. There is nothing taht could be manipulated in a manner that is detrimental to society or you. Why are you being so defensive about your allergies and what you got on your SAT? The government is the government. The school and the military go together. It's not a big deal; it's basic background information that every branch of the government should know, and it should be their prerogative to decide how best to employ that information.

if someone applies to join the military, fine. schools and the military most certainly do not go together. unless its 1930's Italy.

why do the US military need a database of the general public? why do the government 'need' this information? are you entitled to see your file? opt out?

are they planning a draft?

Seeing as you are forced to go to school in the US you can't say you gave up your right to privicy. It's like saying that you gave up your right to property becuase you paid taxes.

Um, actually, this isn't new with no child left behind.

What NCLB does, in this case, is requires schools to send home a form. If you select to not have your information sent, they can't send it. If you don't select not to have it sent, then the school is required to forward the information to the military.
It isn't your grades. It isn't your discipline record. It isn't your health files. It is your contact information: home address, phone number, possibly email (but probably not), as well as your age and sex.

This is not a significant change from how things were while I was in high school, just before NCLB was passed. We had military recruiters come into the gym classes every semester, and were required to fill out our contact information. We were given the option to opt out of being called, which I always did. I was rarely contacted, and when I asked, they never got my info from my school.

If you read your paperwork carefully when the school sends it home, you will have no problem. Just check that you don't want your information shared.

The only thing this changes is that suddenly, the military might contact more girls. Every male is already required to register for the selective service. Guess what? Not only do they have my address and such information, they also have my balls in a vice if there is a draft.



this is one of the few things I'm apathetic about within NCLB.