NationStates Jolt Archive


China & Taiwan

King Bodacious
08-10-2006, 14:12
Taiwan has been attempting to declare itself independent for some time now. China, recently, made it public of their intentions to hold control over Taiwan and warned the USA not to interfere. So, my question is.......

What should the world's response and actions be, if China sent in the military to keep the "One China Policy" in place? What countries would ally with Taiwan? Who would ally with China?
Kanabia
08-10-2006, 14:15
Taiwan has declared itself independent some yrs ago.

No, it hasn't.
Greyenivol Colony
08-10-2006, 14:20
If China were to invade Taiwan it would simply be a continuation of the Chinese Civil War of fifty odd years ago. As a Civil War it would be wrong for any other power to explicitly interfere.

Taiwan would of course be overwhelmed, but once reabsorbed it is possible that the Mainland will grant it SAR status, and thus allow it to maintain its democracy.
Laerod
08-10-2006, 14:36
Taiwan has declared itself independent some yrs ago. China, recently, made it public of their intentions to take control over Taiwan and warned the USA not to interfere. So, my question is.......

What should the world's response and actions be, if China declared war on Taiwan? What countries would ally with Taiwan? Who would ally with China?Taiwan is officially an autonomous region of China. Even the State Department says so.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
08-10-2006, 14:37
Taiwan naver declared itself independant from China. The democratically elected leaders of China who were allied with the, um, Allies, in WWII fled mainland China to Taiwan when China was taken over by the commies. Ever since then, it has been a sort of "former government in exile" nation. Interesting to note- Taiwan had China's name and permanent seat (and veto) on the UN security council for years afterward.
Demented Hamsters
08-10-2006, 14:44
While we're all on about correcting the OP, China has not recently made intentions about invading Taiwan: They made that years ago and just drag it up every now and then as a bit of cross-strait bluster.
In this case, prob due to the political screw-up going on in Taiwan as of late.
The SR
08-10-2006, 14:45
why does the US side with Taiwan, but not the Kurds or Chechynians?
Demented Hamsters
08-10-2006, 14:45
Taiwan is officially an autonomous region of China. Even the State Department says so.
Officially according to China, but not to Taiwan itself.
USA tows the China line cause it's economically expedient to do so.
Kanabia
08-10-2006, 14:46
why does the US side with Taiwan, but not the Kurds or Chechynians?

It doesn't. It's willing to sell them weapons, but the US government doesn't adknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign entity.
Laerod
08-10-2006, 14:49
Officially according to China, but not to Taiwan itself.
USA tows the China line cause it's economically expedient to do so.And who besides the IOC recognizes Taiwan's independence? To be honest, a lot of Taiwanese don't consider themselves of Taiwanese nationality either. They consider themselves Chinese.
Demented Hamsters
08-10-2006, 14:53
And who besides the IOC recognizes Taiwan's independence? To be honest, a lot of Taiwanese don't consider themselves of Taiwanese nationality either. They consider themselves Chinese.
Know many Taiwanese do you?
Cause all the ones I met while I was over there got pretty pissed if anyone ever referred to them as 'Chinese'.

There are several countries that officially recognise Taiwan. Not many, as anyone who does is immediately threatened and/or bribed by China into rescinding the recognition.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
08-10-2006, 14:56
why does the US side with Taiwan, but not the Kurds or Chechynians?

Because Taiwan is democratic, and a former ally. And not muslim.
The SR
08-10-2006, 14:57
It doesn't. It's willing to sell them weapons, but the US government doesn't adknowledge Taiwan as a sovereign entity.

isnt there some form of defence pact in place? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act)
Kanabia
08-10-2006, 15:00
isnt there some form of defence pact in place? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act)

A point, but the US still doesn't claim that Taiwan is a sovereign entity.
The SR
08-10-2006, 15:10
A point, but the US still doesn't claim that Taiwan is a sovereign entity.

but why are they arming a region of another state and not doing the same for others with a stronger claim....
Kanabia
08-10-2006, 15:13
but why are they arming a region of another state and not doing the same for others with a stronger claim....

Because Taiwan makes more money.
Laerod
08-10-2006, 15:16
Know many Taiwanese do you?
Cause all the ones I met while I was over there got pretty pissed if anyone ever referred to them as 'Chinese'.That would be your experience. All the ones I've met said otherwise.

There are several countries that officially recognise Taiwan. Not many, as anyone who does is immediately threatened and/or bribed by China into rescinding the recognition.Name some.
Andaluciae
08-10-2006, 15:17
In my Foreign Policy Decision Making class we're going to be doing the "game." The game is going to be a simulation where we're all divided into teams, each time representing a certain country. I decided for applying for Taiwan, Israel and South Korea; the three countries that could do the most craziness to the world. I got Taiwan.

So, should I make the game fun?
The SR
08-10-2006, 15:19
In my Foreign Policy Decision Making class we're going to be doing the "game." The game is going to be a simulation where we're all divided into teams, each time representing a certain country. I decided for applying for Taiwan, Israel and South Korea; the three countries that could do the most craziness to the world. I got Taiwan.

So, should I make the game fun?

declare independence, china will be forced to invade and the us will have to make a desicion re treaty obligations to defend you.

its all kicking off now.
Laerod
08-10-2006, 15:20
So, should I make the game fun?Invade China, or declare dependence. :D
Andaluciae
08-10-2006, 15:21
Invade China, or declare dependence. :D

That's what I was thinking :D
Laerod
08-10-2006, 15:26
That's what I was thinking :DThe invasion or declaring itself as no longer being a sovereign nation? :p
The Forever Dusk
08-10-2006, 17:46
"If China were to invade Taiwan it would simply be a continuation of the Chinese Civil War of fifty odd years ago. As a Civil War it would be wrong for any other power to explicitly interfere."---Greyenivol Colony


while you are right about it being a continuation of a civil war (as neither side has claimed independence), you are waaaaaaay off on your second statement. stepping in to defend someone from attack isn't wrong. if all the states west of the mississippi got together and launched an attack on the states east of the mississippi, germany would have every right to come to the defense of the east.

as for the statements of others about taiwan being an autonomous part of china....they are partially correct, to be completely correct, they would need to state that both the republic of china and the people's republic of china are autonomous regions of china.
New Burmesia
08-10-2006, 18:32
Taiwan has declared itself independent some yrs ago.
Prove it. Go on. Indeed, try and prove that there is such a country called Taiwan.

China, recently, made it public of their intentions to take control over Taiwan and warned the USA not to interfere. So, my question is.......
Well, I'm not old enough to describe 1949 as recent, but what the heck?

What should the world's response and actions be, if China declared war on Taiwan? What countries would ally with Taiwan? Who would ally with China?
China won't declare war on 'Taiwan' because they don't recognise the Republic of China, and you can't declare war on a country you, or even the UN, doesn't think exists.

If you want an answer to that question, though, just look on Wikipedia.
King Bodacious
08-10-2006, 18:56
Prove it. Go on. Indeed, try and prove that there is such a country called Taiwan.


Well, I'm not old enough to describe 1949 as recent, but what the heck?


China won't declare war on 'Taiwan' because they don't recognise the Republic of China, and you can't declare war on a country you, or even the UN, doesn't think exists.

If you want an answer to that question, though, just look on Wikipedia.

Can I say.....Asshole?

How many different meanings are their for "unavoidable"?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-11-18-china-taiwan_x.htm

That point has already been brought up numerous times. So, I will bring up the point that you are being Ignorant.

You, obviously, had no real intentions on commenting to the OP. I'm assuming you knew what I meant but decided to show off your Ignorance. Congratulations.
Greyenivol Colony
08-10-2006, 19:13
I kind of feel sorry for the Republic of China, they got there first, and for a while their incarnation on Taiwan could outdo the oppressive agrarian Mainland, but now, they have no chance.