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Today is the Bathurst 1000 V8 Supercar race.

Some of you may never have heard of it, but I suspect that if you're into racing, you'll at least know about the V8 Supercars, the Australian Touring Car Championship.

The race in question is an endurance event, 161 laps (or a thousand km's) around the Mt Panorama race track. Which means that there are teams of two drivers.

It's one of the best race tracks in the world IMHO, and definitely the best in Australia. They race up a mountain and then down again, which makes not only for a great setting, but also for a very, very challenging set of corners, cambers and changes in elevation.

This here is the fastest lap anyone has ever driven around Bathurst, a 2m 6s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmkUVSVHoc8

In case you do care...who do you think will win? I would've tipped Skaife and Tander...but Bathurst being Bathurst, they are out of the race after about 30 seconds (clutch slip, going very slowly, then car being pulverised because someone else ran into the back of it).

This is the official website:
http://www.v8supercar.bigpond.com
Not sure whether you have to be signed up to watch live over the web.

http://www.supercheapauto1000.com/
Oh i just noticed this, good work.:)
I was about to post a thread myself.

I reckon Tasman or HTR are gonna win it.
HOLDEN!
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/image.php?u=8449&dateline=1098227984

Its gonna be Dale Earnhardt Jr. in that ol Bud Chevy, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

lol Car races.

They race down the mountain too?!?!?

Ive always thought Pike's Peak should do this too to get rid of the squirrelly drivers.

They race down the mountain too?!?!?
Yep. It's great fun. Just watch the video I posted, if you look carefully you will notice how it first goes up and then down again.

At the end is Australia's longest straight, followed by it's fastest corner.

I love Bathurst, but this time round I'm far more interested in the Japanese GP, which will probably be about the same time.

2 races to go, Schumacher and Alonso on equal points, both drivers fairly evenly matched on speed, Alonso beginning to crack mentally....

Should be a great climax to the F1 season.

I love Bathurst, but this time round I'm far more interested in the Japanese GP, which will probably be about the same time.
Bathurst is during the day here, until 5pm. They're only showing F1 some time after 11pm, which I'm pretty sure isn't live. I'm mighty angry.

Bathurst is during the day here, until 5pm. They're only showing F1 some time after 11pm, which I'm pretty sure isn't live. I'm mighty angry.

Jap GP starts in 2 hours, 37 minutes...by my watch. And I've still to get some sleep...

Its gonna be Dale Earnhardt Jr. in that ol Bud Chevy, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
lol Car races.
lulz.
Americans are funny because they don't know what a real car race is.:p

I kind of want Murph to win but i know he has been having a tough time at Supercheap and it seems everyone cant wait for it to end, if he goes to Tasman next year, it will be hell as cool him and Richards.

Bleh, I miss the end of it because of work. :(

lulz.
Americans are funny because they don't know what a real car race is.:p
Eh? Is "real" car racing just as boring to watch as "American" car racing? I bet it is.

Bleh, I miss the end of it because of work. :(
Where do you work?

Eh? Is "real" car racing just as boring to watch as "American" car racing? I bet it is.
Hardly, Bathurst is wicked.

Hardly, Bathurst is wicked.

Damm straight. I only ever get around to watching the last 20 laps or so... i get to see the highlights, and the important bit. I do enjoy the rest, but never have time.

Where do you work?

A supermarket.

A supermarket.
You've been working there awhile haven't you.:p

Hardly, Bathurst is wicked.
I'm sure it is.:rolleyes:

I'm sure it is.:rolleyes:
No, it really is.

You've been working there awhile haven't you.:p

Yeah, but probably not for much longer.

Yeah, but probably not for much longer.
Going to get yourself fired?
Who saw Radisch hit the wall?
I blame Kelly.:mad:

Going to get yourself fired?

Heh...who knows.

Who saw Radisch hit the wall?

I did...'twas nasty :/

lulz.
Americans are funny because they don't know what a real car race is.:p

.

Go on then, what makes a car race real?

Go on then, what makes a car race real?

Having left *and* right turns? ;)

Go on then, what makes a car race real?
Having left *and* right turns? ;)
*nods*

-snippage-
I did...'twas nasty :/
Now Murph is playing silly buggers and just lost 3 spots, damn kiwis.:(

Having left *and* right turns? ;)
Cant be.
It has to be more than that. Hell bubba, even NASCAR does that.

Cant be.
It has to be more than that. Hell bubba, even NASCAR does that.

It was a joke. :p

It was a joke. :p

hehehehehehehehe

http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/06/23/sonoma_lead/busch_xl.jpg

hehehehehehehehe

http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/06/23/sonoma_lead/busch_xl.jpg

http://www.travelhero.com/commonImages/destinations/indy500-4.jpg

:p

hehehehehehehehe

http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/06/23/sonoma_lead/busch_xl.jpg

NASCAR and Indy have absolutely nothing on Formula One.

NASCAR and Indy have absolutely nothing on Formula One.

yay!

NASCAR and Indy have absolutely nothing on Formula One.

Unless you consider the ability and room to pass eachother a good thing. Or faster cars with decent tires. Otherwise sure.

Ugh. Bathurst. Again... Have you ever *been* to Bathurst. It is disgusting. It is like a pilgrimage of Yobbos. There is ankle deep mud full of vomit, piss and piss (VB). There are skanky bikie chicks with saggy tits flashing them at every mob of yobbos who screams "Show us yer tits!". Half submerged in the mud are shanty towns of tents and flaming 40 gallon drums. The whole mountain smells of drunk mans ball sweat and staffy shit. Occasionally buried in the mud is a broken bottle, if it cuts you you will need and amputation. every few minutes you hear "Vroom V-v-v-vro-vroom vr-vro-vr-v-vrooommm" Nobody actually watches the cars, they all have TVs out the front of the tents (so they actually hear the cars go past as they watch them on the screen. A perpetual mexican wave of drunken idiots follows the camera as they see themselves on TV over and over and over. The chips are overpriced. Ah yes, amongst all of the bad human/dog smells is the lingering essence of V8 exhaust and burning rubber. Also, for the few days that it is on, these people just keep drinking. They don't stop, even when they sleep. The old "Hair of the dogs back" method of avoiding a hangover. Just like exponentially increasing your sugar intake at the right timing will avoid the 'sugar low' right after your 'sugar high', and actually hieghten the sugar high too. Then you lose your pancreas. Only they don't. I swear, these people may have evolved to have 2 livers or something. Or converted their brain into a second liver.

To top it all off, Bathurst is interesting like a Cd track on repeat is interesting. You watch one lap, you've seen them all. Every 30 or so laps, someone will clip the grass. Like most sports, you are better off watching the highlights.

Ok, so I suck at being Australian. *shrugs* I would watch bathurst if the cars hovered, or if they were allowed to use needlessly complicated weapons and traps (but not simple/logical ones). Or if they incorporated monkeys, or any other primate for that matter.

Unless you consider the ability and room to pass eachother a good thing. Or faster cars with decent tires. Otherwise sure.

Eh? There's plenty of room for making passes in Formula One. It's just a lot more technical, and since the tracks aren't as wide, the drivers need to devise much more intricate strategies than their NASCAR and Indy counterparts.

And while Formula One cars aren't as fast as Indy, they don't need to be. The spectacle is the whole race, not just the speed. And when you get down to it, the speed of Indy is really pointless, since the tracks are so linear.

And what's this about tires...?

Eh? There's plenty of room for making passes in Formula One. It's just a lot more technical, and since the tracks aren't as wide, the drivers need to devise much more intricate strategies than their NASCAR and Indy counterparts.

And while Formula One cars aren't as fast as Indy, they don't need to be. The spectacle is the whole race, not just the speed. And when you get down to it, the speed of Indy is really pointless, since the tracks are so linear.

And what's this about tires...?

Just so you know Indy cars are two different series since CART split the sheets. Not all ovals. Road courses and street courses as well. As far as tires go, treaded tires in the dry are retarded.

Just so you know Indy cars are two different series since CART split the sheets. Not all ovals. Road courses and street courses as well. As far as tires go, treaded tires in the dry are retarded.

CART is good, but does it have the Suzuka circuit or Monte Carlo? Didn't think so.

And the treaded tires happen to give more traction than the ultra-slicks. They're almost necessary on the more technical courses... Well, if you want decent lap times.

CART is good, but does it have the Suzuka circuit or Monte Carlo? Didn't think so.

And the treaded tires happen to give more traction than the ultra-slicks. They're almost necessary on the more technical courses... Well, if you want decent lap times.

Suzuka is fine Monte Carlo is a parade without passing and treads are there because of Octagon pushing for rules changes to make F1 a better sport to watch via less grip and not because they offer any more traction on any courses technical or otherwise.

Suzuka is fine Monte Carlo is a parade without passing and treads are there because of Octagon pushing for rules changes to make F1 a better sport to watch via less grip and not because they offer any more traction on any courses technical or otherwise.

Ah, sorry, I kinda screwed myself up there. I was thinking of the soft and hard compound super-slicks.

Yeah, the treads would make you slide more. Soft compound slicks give the best traction possible, while hard compound slicks give good traction and decent road life.

Great, Fantastic!
Richards just crashed out.:mad:

Betta Electrical is Poop!

Good race, I watched it all this morning & afternoon. I was hoping Glen Seaton would finally win it, but Craig Lowndes was a fitting victor. Bathurst is such a cool track.

I hate to put a downer on what was a great race, but its just come up on the news that Mark Porter, who crashed preparing for the race on saturday has died in hospital.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3822293a1823,00.html

I hate to put a downer on what was a great race, but its just come up on the news that Mark Porter, who crashed preparing for the race on saturday has died in hospital.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3822293a1823,00.html

Bugger.

Unless you consider the ability and room to pass eachother a good thing. Or faster cars with decent tires. Otherwise sure.

Formula One cars pass each other all the time...you must be watching another sport? :confused:

Faster? OK, you put an F1 car and a NASCAR up against each other on any track, with the same driver, and I know which would do the quickest lap; the F1 car. Every time.

Formula One cars pass each other all the time...you must be watching another sport? :confused:

Faster? OK, you put an F1 car and a NASCAR up against each other on any track, with the same driver, and I know which would do the quickest lap; the F1 car. Every time.

Yep F1 cars pass eachother all the time...when one is in the paddock or crashes.If you put an F1 car and a CART or Indy car on the same track the CART or Indy car will pass the F1 car so fast it will suck the paint off the F!.

Suzuka is fine Monte Carlo is a parade without passing and treads are there because of Octagon pushing for rules changes to make F1 a better sport to watch via less grip and not because they offer any more traction on any courses technical or otherwise.

Monte Carlo is one of the ultimate challenges for any driver; running a 800bhp, winged, incredibely low, open wheel car, with very poor visibility, in tight formation with 21 other drivers....down narrow, bumpy, twisty and dirty streets with metal barriers running along both sides the whole way, and with a tunnel that has no visibility and contains the fastest corner in F1.

A massive driving challenge.

As for slicks; I don't know who Octagon are, but the FIA brought in treaded tyres in 1998 to try and reduce cornering speeds as a result of several severe accidents in the early to mid 1990s (including the fatal accidents of Ratzenburger and Senna). Of course, advances in technology have meant that within a season or two the tyres were even better.

Anyway, F1 is going back to slicks in 2008. Expect the cars to be pretty much insanely quick round corners.

Monte Carlo is one of the ultimate challenges for any driver; running a 800bhp, winged, incredibely low, open wheel car, with very poor visibility, in tight formation with 21 other drivers....down narrow, bumpy, twisty and dirty streets with metal barriers running along both sides the whole way, and with a tunnel that has no visibility and contains the fastest corner in F1.

A massive driving challenge.

As for slicks; I don't know who Octagon are, but the FIA brought in treaded tyres in 1998 to try and reduce cornering speeds as a result of several severe accidents in the early to mid 1990s (including the fatal accidents of Ratzenburger and Senna). Of course, advances in technology have meant that within a season or two the tyres were even better.

Anyway, F1 is going back to slicks in 2008. Expect the cars to be pretty much insanely quick round corners.
So there was a lot of passing in Monte Catrlo this year then? Or was it a parade? And obviously you are sensible and agree with me that slicks provide more traction than treaded tires! Roll on 2008. Bring F1 back to it's former glory as the epitome of motorsport rather than the watered down version we see today.

The current state of tire design in F! is pretty sad when they can only field six cars at a race.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=f1&id=2089850

The current state of tire design in F! is pretty sad when they can only field six cars at a race.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=f1&id=2089850

that is sad

Yep F1 cars pass eachother all the time...when one is in the paddock or crashes.

No...passes in the pits generally only account for a small number of the passes that go on each race.

If you put an F1 car and a CART or Indy car on the same track the CART or Indy car will pass the F1 car so fast it will suck the paint off the F!.

Wouldn't happen. On any course that you name an F1 car would lap it quicker. It is simply a far faster car in every regard. When optimised for a full oval, the F1 car would be quicker; then optimised for a road circuit, the F1 car would be quicker.

Let's take a look at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in 2006; a course that both F1 and CART run on.

Let's look at pole times:

F1 - 1:14.726
Champ Car - 1:20.005

Most of the Cart times wouldn't even have qualified if the old 107% F1 qualifying rule was still in place. Even the pole time barely got it on the F1 grid.

Even without the 107% rule, the leading Champ Car, set by time would have put him dead last on the grid. By nearly a second. Even with F1 having treaded slicks.

And you claim that Champ Car is quicker?

Don't make me laugh.

The current state of tire design in F! is pretty sad when they can only field six cars at a race.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?series=f1&id=2089850

If by "current state" you mean "a year and a half ago"...

So there was a lot of passing in Monte Catrlo this year then? Or was it a parade? And obviously you are sensible and agree with me that slicks provide more traction than treaded tires! Roll on 2008. Bring F1 back to it's former glory as the epitome of motorsport rather than the watered down version we see today.

Monte Carlo doesn't have much passing, almost none, but it has a massive challenge.

And to write off F1 as having no passing based upon Monaco is absolutely absurd. There isn't another track like Monaco in F1; not another one even vaguely similar, so you can't take it and extrapolate.

No...passes in the pits generally only account for a small number of the passes that go on each race.



Wouldn't happen. On any course that you name an F1 car would lap it quicker. It is simply a far faster car in every regard. When optimised for a full oval, the F1 car would be quicker; then optimised for a road circuit, the F1 car would be quicker.

Let's take a look at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in 2006; a course that both F1 and CART run on.

Let's look at pole times:

F1 - 1:14.726
Champ Car - 1:20.005

Most of the Cart times wouldn't even have qualified if the old 107% F1 qualifying rule was still in place. Even the pole time barely got it on the F1 grid.

Even without the 107% rule, the leading Champ Car, set by time would have put him dead last on the grid. By nearly a second. Even with F1 having treaded slicks.

And you claim that Champ Car is quicker?

Don't make me laugh.


Was it raining on the CART cars?

Monte Carlo doesn't have much passing, almost none, but it has a massive challenge.

And to write off F1 as having no passing based upon Monaco is absolutely absurd. There isn't another track like Monaco in F1; not another one even vaguely similar, so you can't take it and extrapolate.

I said Monte Carlo sucked and you said it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Should we instead extrapolate that all F1 races are as good as Monte Carlo because you enjoy that track?
Apparantly we enjoy different things in a race. I like to see competition and you like to see challenged drivers. If I want to see challenged drivers I'll watch Rallys or time trials or the Baja 1000 thanks.

Was it raining on the CART cars?

Not as far as I know.

Not as far as I know.

Then the drivers sure sucked to be unable to out do the sad F1 cars!

I said Monte Carlo sucked and you said it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Should we instead extrapolate that all F1 races are as good as Monte Carlo because you enjoy that track?

I do believe that my words were that Monte Carlo is "A massive driving challenge."

I don't particularly enjoy that circuit, and it's far from my favourite. But that doesn't diminish the challenge.

Apparantly we enjoy different things in a race. I like to see competition and you like to see challenged drivers. If I want to see challenged drivers I'll watch Rallys or time trials or the Baja 1000 thanks.

I want to see both; and F1 has both.

lulz.
Americans are funny because they don't know what a real car race is.:p
Right. Which is why Dan Gurney and Mario Andretti are American. And that we won the 24 Hours of LeMans almost a decade straight*. And why Historic Trans-Am racing is so popular... :rolleyes:

And yes, I see the ":p ", but I just had to point this out...

*In Fords, no less...

Then the drivers sure sucked to be unable to out do the sad F1 cars!

Cart drivers must really suck, especially when you consider that Juan Pablo Montoya won the Cart championship and the Indy 500, and then moved to F1.

After a few seasons of nothing particularly successful he's now going to NASCAR. Where he'll probably win everything.

I hate to put a downer on what was a great race, but its just come up on the news that Mark Porter, who crashed preparing for the race on saturday has died in hospital.
:(
RIP

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Also, Schumi's engine blew, and now Alonso's gonna win. Damn.

Also, yay, I tipped Lowndes just half an hour after the start.

gosh, i didn't know australia had actual mountains. looks like an awesome track though. i really miss my car, can't wait to get it together and get on a track sometime.

You rock, Nadkor.

You rock, Nadkor.

Thanks :)



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How come? :confused:

Thanks :)



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How come? :confused:

I was going to say something about owning Not Bad's sorry ass in that back-and-forth debate, but I shall refrain.

:p

I was going to say something about owning Not Bad's sorry ass in that back-and-forth debate, but I shall refrain.

:p

Haha, OK, well I guess I get the general idea anyway :p

I hate to put a downer on what was a great race, but its just come up on the news that Mark Porter, who crashed preparing for the race on saturday has died in hospital.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3822293a1823,00.html
Not cool, not cool at all.

gosh, i didn't know australia had actual mountains. looks like an awesome track though. i really miss my car, can't wait to get it together and get on a track sometime.
What?

gosh, i didn't know australia had actual mountains. looks like an awesome track though. i really miss my car, can't wait to get it together and get on a track sometime.

what do you think we have
we got them an a hell of lot more thngs too

what do you think we have
we got them an a hell of lot more thngs too

Kangaroos & everyone lives on the beach.

Speaking of which, How many Kangaroo were hit this year?

Speaking of which, How many Kangaroo were hit this year?

I didn't see any this year, either getting hit, or crossing the track.