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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/wl_nm/denmark_cartoons_dc_1

Everyone fasten on your helmets!!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/wl_nm/denmark_cartoons_dc_1

here we go again :headbang:

Yes! fight back Danes! YES! Let's show the Musliums that they can't riot us into silence. *goes off to draw his own cartoon*

I wonder how many people the Muslims will kill this time in the ensuing riots. Also, will they burn the Danish flag, or confuse it with the Swiss flag again?

Maybe Western Europe's slide toward cultural suicide can be stopped, even at this late date. Bring on the resistance.

Props to the Danish People's Party. :D

I wonder how many people the Muslims will kill this time in the ensuing riots. Also, will they burn the Danish flag, or confuse it with the Swiss flag again?

Yea that was funny when they burned the wrong flag.

Well, Mr. Knudson clearly thought and planned out this action to the fullest extent. :rolleyes:

Maybe if we (the West) do it often enough it'll lose it's impact... that's how it worked with Christianity... so yeah, carry on guys, eventually they'll just stop caring and we can all live in peace.

Everyone fasten on your helmets!!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/wl_nm/denmark_cartoons_dc_1

No one should go out of their way to appease the terrorists or radicals, but this is just childish, irresponsible and dangerous. Plus, why offend an entire religion like this? I am very critical of "moderate" muslims for not speaking out loud enough against radicals, especially the ones in western democracies but they should not have to suffer through such religous intolerance due to the nut jobs out there.

I say to the DPP, cool it already. It is amazing how such an "open, progressive and permissive" society can do a complete 180.

No one should go out of their way to appease the terrorists or radicals, but this is just childish, irresponsible and dangerous. Plus, why offend an entire religion like this? I am very critical of "moderate" muslims for not speaking out loud enough against radicals, especially the ones in western democracies but they should not have to suffer through such religous intolerance due to the nut jobs out there.

I say to the DPP, cool it already. It is amazing how such an "open, progressive and permissive" society can do a complete 180.

They're doing it because the Muslium don't understand the concept of "Free Speech" and instead of rebuking the sterotypes they choose to reinforce the sterotypes. Really it's the Muslium that'll have to prove these Danish cartoonish wrong, but until then.

I wonder... What center-right government is it they're talking about in the article? The Danish government is so right it's going in circles. The whole point of their unholy alliance with the former Populist/Nazi party that's now known as DF, is to avoid working with the center & left.

No, that's not a Goodwin. They are bits of former Nazis & Populists

For the intellectually challenged, the Nazis were pro-immigrant since they wanted "untermenschen" Slavs to be imported and worked as slave labour in Germany for long term. Not very different from some leftist parties today who are pro-immigrant so that immigrants can do the jobs noone else wants to do.
As for the DF, it is sad that it has come to this point. The muslims should have realized that they are not wanted by most Danes long time ago.

I always thought you were Danish, Similization. Apparently it isn't so.. ..?

the Nazis were pro-immigrant since they wanted "untermenschen" Slavs to be imported and worked as slave labour in Germany for long term.
Of course, since immigrant=slave.

They're doing it because the Muslium don't understand the concept of "Free Speech" and instead of rebuking the sterotypes they choose to reinforce the sterotypes. Really it's the Muslium that'll have to prove these Danish cartoonish wrong, but until then.

The only person reinforcing stereotypes here is you.

It makes me proud, as a member of 'western society' to see how the Danish people are heroically championing the right to free speech against the oppressive Muslims thousands of miles away, who are for some reason against having their most holy figure defaced rather roundly. Further, it warms the cockles of my heart to hear that the Dutch, having not pissed off enough people the first time, have decided to do it again, and this time, in larger numbers.

Seriously, why? It's not like it's unreasonable for Islamic people to be irritated-- by several accounts, drawing the Prophet Muhammed as a urinating camel drinking beer is similar to taking a statue of Jesus, covering it in shit and burning it somewhere public and in the Vatican. It's going to piss people off, especially when done by a people not under threat, far removed from any kind of conflict whose major beef with Muslims is that they exist at all within the borders of the Netherlands.

I'm sorry to say that I have a tough time seeing it as 'sticking it to the man', and am rather disgusted at the lack of cultural sensitivity shown herein.

Of course, since immigrant=slave.

If they are under-payed and doing the jobs mr fat ass welfare refuses to do, they are close. And I'm not even talking about the illegal ones.

-snip-You sure you didn't get your Danes and Dutch confused..?

If they are under-payed and doing the jobs mr fat ass welfare refuses to do, they are close. And I'm not even talking about the illegal ones.
Close but not equal?

From Danemark's own constitution:
Blasphemy is forbidden by § 140 of the penal code:

"Anybody who publicly mocks or insults any in this country legally existing religious community tenets of faith or worship, will be punished by fine or imprisonment for up to 4 months."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_and_freedom_of_the_press_in_Denmark

yet somehow there is an exception in mocking islam....

Really it's the Muslium that'll have to prove these Danish cartoonish wrong, but until then.The original cartoon crap actually spawned first real Muslim organisation in Denmark with any sort of popular backing among Danish Muslims. The first order of business was to make it perfectly clear that while the cartoons weren't their cup of tea, they really didn't give a flying fuck.

What more can they possible do? Do you expect them to start depicting their prophet as a terrorist in the media or what?

At least they're willing to admit they have a problem & try to do something about it. More than can be said about a Populist party with intimate ties to Nazi & racist organisations, or the newspaper that up until the original cartoon thjing served as the government's mouthpeice & heavily focused on demonizing Danish Muslims.. And much, much more than can be said about that newspapers cultural editor who has severe personal prejudice against Muslims (via his wife) & hang out with rabid anti-Muslims like Daniel Pipes.

So really... Is it up to a bunch of Muslims who've done absolutely nothing but try to calm the waters, to prove to a bunch of closet Nazis that they aren't T3h Gr8 Ebul?

I think a great many Muslims would be very interested in knowing just what the hell it is they're expected to do.

*snip*


You! Go reply to my Don Rumsfeld thread! :mad:

yet somehow there is an exception in mocking islam....The day some heathen or other gets government funds to shoot a hardcore porn movie of men & women defiling Islamic religious symbols & figures, then you might have a point.

Yups, Christians had to put up with that. I really can't believe the details, but I believe the salient point is that when you have to actively seek out the offensive material, there isn't a problem. Actively seek out, as in paying for a newspaper or buying a porn flick.

The day some heathen or other gets government funds to shoot a hardcore porn movie of men & women defiling Islamic religious symbols & figures, then you might have a point.

Yups, Christians had to put up with that. I really can't believe the details, but I believe the salient point is that when you have to actively seek out the offensive material, there isn't a problem. Actively seek out, as in paying for a newspaper or buying a porn flick.

its on state TV....which is gov't funded

You don't really have to buy anything, apart from the TV, or is it so nit-pickish that it would have to be on a wall mural or a bill-board?

From Danemark's own constitution:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_and_freedom_of_the_press_in_Denmark

yet somehow there is an exception in mocking islam....

Apparently not.

"Anybody who publicly mocks or insults any in this country legally existing religious community tenets of faith or worship, will be punished by fine or imprisonment for up to 4 months." However, there is very little legal tradition for actually punishing anyone for violating this article. The latest conviction was in 1938 in a case of flyers that construed Jewish holy texts as urging 'violating' non-Jewish girls. Legal tradition seems to establish that debate and art are not punishable under the blasphemy-article.

The only person reinforcing stereotypes here is you. *Points out that almost every nation run by muslims tend not to have the concept of "Free Speech"* And in the case in which they do, it's only allowed to be done to other religions.

Apparently not.

Does government owned television count as art?

Does government owned television count as art?

Well, seeing as how they haven't used the statute to convict anyone since the second world war I assume so. I certainly think TV is art - maybe really bad art in many cases but still art. There' no question it's expression.

its on state TV....which is gov't funded

You don't really have to buy anything, apart from the TV, or is it so nit-pickish that it would have to be on a wall mural or a bill-board?I'm sure you know "State TV" does NOT mean it's government run TV, right? In countries where there is 'state TV' the board usually only reacts if they believe 'rules' were broken. Most of the time it's just business.

Well, seeing as how they haven't used the statute to convict anyone since the second world war I assume so. I certainly think TV is art - maybe really bad art in many cases but still art. There' no question it's expression.

Yes it is expression....I don't know, I just can't wrap my head around government TV being used as a medium for religious hate-images......

I'm sure you know "State TV" does NOT mean it's government run TV, right? In countries where there is 'state TV' the board usually only reacts if they believe 'rules' were broken. Most of the time it's just business.

no, I was not aware of that, when I hear "state TV" I think "government owned TV"

can you post a link?

I wonder how many people the Muslims will kill this time in the ensuing riots. Also, will they burn the Danish flag, or confuse it with the Swiss flag again?

:headbang: NOT MUSLIMS PUKE FOR BRAINS! JUST THE FRICKEN RADICLE GROUPS THINKIN THAT EVERY SHOULD THINK THE SAME! WHEN WILL YOU POEPLE GET IT THREW YER FRICKEN SKULLS! MUSLIMS ARE AWESOME!ITS TERRORISTS(that dont exist mind you) THAT YOU SHOULD HATE YOU PIG HEAD IDIOT!!!!:upyours:

Yes it is expression....I don't know, I just can't wrap my head around government TV being used as a medium for religious hate-images......

Why not? Government funds from the NEA here went to funding a picture of a crucufix submerged in a jar of urine. As long as it's not hate for hate's ake I have no problem with it. Because of the way Muslims hav reacted throughout the world they have opened up legitimate debate about that reaction and artists have the right to express their views about the controversy and if the artists view is that he thinks Muslims are using intimidation to supress free expression then the artists "art" will probably not be very favorable to Muslims. I have no problem with using government funds to support artists so I would have no problem using government funds to support an artists who wished to express this view - or the opposite for that matter.

no, I was not aware of that, when I hear "state TV" I think "government owned TV"

can you post a link?I could, if I was less drunk.

State TV here (well, here) means that the state has monopoly (or near) on frequencies you can send TV programming on. Sure, there are shitloads of commercial companies there too, but they are buying time from the "state" which is only providing the infrastructure, get it?

Now, in Europe we have this nifty thing called TV licence. You have to 'buy' it to be able to watch the telly. The fee is supposed to go back to the company and they are supposed to make good TV. Fuck yeah, is Monty Python really worth it?!?

See, the "state TV" means it's tax money built, tax money maintained, not government ruled.

I could, if I was less drunk.

State TV here (well, here) means that the state has monopoly (or near) on frequencies you can send TV programming on. Sure, there are shitloads of commercial companies there too, but they are buying time from the "state" which is only providing the infrastructure, get it?

Sort of, so the state is basically a massive media conglomerate?

*you have to bear in mind, I come from the US educational system, my depth of knowledge is the quadratic formula.....thats about it. :(*

Its nice to see that at least SOME Europeans are willing to be politcally incorrect in regards to people other than Americans :P

Sort of, so the state is basically a massive media conglomerate?
Well, ...no. They are just providing the infrastructure and trying to tax the usage to get the money back, methinks. Pretty benign.
*you have to bear in mind, I come from the US educational system, my depth of knowledge is the quadratic formula.....thats about it. :(*I'm sorry if my post warranted that response. I take that is sarcasm..?

I'm sorry if my post warranted that response. I take that is sarcasm..?

Nope, I really, really am disappointed in my countrie's schools.

Nope, I really, really am disappointed in my countrie's schools.
Oh. That's sad to hear, teacher as I am. What's the main problem?

Oh, better toss this trolling account away when being compassionate, eh?

Oh. That's sad to hear, teacher as I am. What's the main problem?

They abandoned real education a long time ago. Now they just cram as much stuff into our heads as possible so we can pass some dumb test. Kids don't really understand the content, they can't really think or reason at all really, they just know which bubble to fill in on the answer sheet....

I support freedom of speech and applaud the Danes for not cracking down on these cartoons. That being said, I do not agree with the fact that these cartoons are being created simply to be offensive. People were killed over pictures merely depicting Mohammed and making social comments. How will the extremists react to showing him as a drunken camel pissing himself? :eek:

The original cartoon crap actually spawned first real Muslim organisation in Denmark with any sort of popular backing among Danish Muslims. The first order of business was to make it perfectly clear that while the cartoons weren't their cup of tea, they really didn't give a flying fuck.

What more can they possible do? Do you expect them to start depicting their prophet as a terrorist in the media or what?

At least they're willing to admit they have a problem & try to do something about it. More than can be said about a Populist party with intimate ties to Nazi & racist organisations, or the newspaper that up until the original cartoon thjing served as the government's mouthpeice & heavily focused on demonizing Danish Muslims.. And much, much more than can be said about that newspapers cultural editor who has severe personal prejudice against Muslims (via his wife) & hang out with rabid anti-Muslims like Daniel Pipes.

So really... Is it up to a bunch of Muslims who've done absolutely nothing but try to calm the waters, to prove to a bunch of closet Nazis that they aren't T3h Gr8 Ebul?

I think a great many Muslims would be very interested in knowing just what the hell it is they're expected to do.

Not rioting in the street, calling for another 9/11, Holacaust, shooting nuns in the heads, and burning embessies would be nice.

:headbang: NOT MUSLIMS PUKE FOR BRAINS! JUST THE FRICKEN RADICLE GROUPS THINKIN THAT EVERY SHOULD THINK THE SAME! WHEN WILL YOU POEPLE GET IT THREW YER FRICKEN SKULLS! MUSLIMS ARE AWESOME!ITS TERRORISTS(that dont exist mind you) THAT YOU SHOULD HATE YOU PIG HEAD IDIOT!!!!:upyours:

Yea...that's helping your argument. :rolleyes:

Everyone fasten on your helmets!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/wl_nm/denmark_cartoons_dc_1
This would appear to be a political ploy on the part of the anti-immigrant party to gain more power. The leaders of this campaign to induce Muslim reaction should spend some time in the crowbar hotel.

I wonder how many people the Muslims will kill this time in the ensuing riots. Also, will they burn the Danish flag, or confuse it with the Swiss flag again?
Will you be disappointed if they don't do anything? :rolleyes:

Maybe if we (the West) do it often enough it'll lose it's impact... that's how it worked with Christianity... so yeah, carry on guys, eventually they'll just stop caring and we can all live in peace.
Brilliant logic. NOT!!

Will you be disappointed if they don't do anything? :rolleyes:

I would actually be very please, it would mean that they are starting to wise up about what appropriate and what's not.

Danes got balls! They got bigger balls the U.S.!

Why is the rest of europe still being little vags still?

Theres a saying "We can learn alot from the Danes"

But yeah, defaming christ is getting old now, it was funny when the passion of the christ comes out. But now it's all about showing Mohammed having butt sex and doing crack. It's clear that Denmark is the dick of europe, surrounded by fucking pussies, cept Finland. Finland is one of the only countries in europe actually protesting against islamic extremists. Because they're constantly reminded of the nazi atrocities during ww2 on their flag. FINS AND DANES KICK ASS. Not so much as Britian now, britian I know are a bunch of pothead pricks, cept for Blair, he's very articulate.

I would actually be very please, it would mean that they are starting to wise up about what appropriate and what's not.
I agree and that would be wonderful if that is the case. However, I do believe that MTAE just would love a violent Muslim backlash so that he can continue to feed his Muslim hatred.

Danes got balls! They got bigger balls the U.S.!

Why is the rest of europe still being little vags still?

Theres a saying "We can learn alot from the Danes"

But yeah, defaming christ is getting old now, it was funny when the passion of the christ comes out. But now it's all about showing Mohammed having butt sex and doing crack. It's clear that Denmark is the dick of europe, surrounded by fucking pussies, cept Finland. Finland is one of the only countries in europe actually protesting against islamic extremists. Because they're constantly reminded of the nazi atrocities during ww2 on their flag. FINS AND DANES KICK ASS. Not so much as Britian now, britian I know are a bunch of pothead pricks, cept for Blair, he's very articulate.
Ahhhh, more words of wisdom from the harbinger of peace and love. :rolleyes:

Danes got balls! They got bigger balls the U.S.!

Why is the rest of europe still being little vags still?

Theres a saying "We can learn alot from the Danes"

But yeah, defaming christ is getting old now, it was funny when the passion of the christ comes out. But now it's all about showing Mohammed having butt sex and doing crack. It's clear that Denmark is the dick of europe, surrounded by fucking pussies.. http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050919/160X_hans_island_050919.jpg

:D

Brilliant logic. NOT!!

Seriously, there's only so long the Islamic Extremists can live on the edge of this War they're planning. It's like a war of attrition. We just keep performing minor actions that annoy them, but nothing so big as to incite large-scale rebellion. Eventually they will be worn down first.

Seriously, there's only so long the Islamic Extremists can live on the edge of this War they're planning. It's like a war of attrition. We just keep performing minor actions that annoy them, but nothing so big as to incite large-scale rebellion. Eventually they will be worn down first.
Poke a bee hive with a stick and a few bees will attack you. Break their hive in half and they will swarm you. Put the stick away and let the bees make honey.

Poke a bee hive with a stick and a few bees will attack you. Break their hive in half and they will swarm you. Put the stick away and let the bees make honey.

Bees have a relentless hive mind, the central consciousness controls the bees and cares not for their wellbeing. Islamic terrorists are Human Beings, thus the analogy fails, no Human Being can be angry forever, it's too tiresome.

Nope, I really, really am disappointed in my countrie's schools.

lol. We can see why...;)

Poke a bee hive with a stick and a few bees will attack you. Break their hive in half and they will swarm you. Put the stick away and let the bees make honey.

I wonder who is more insulting to the muslims - the fellow who makes fun of them or the fellow who says "don't make fun of them, they are violent, we better leave them alone"..:p

I wonder how many people the Muslims will kill this time in the ensuing riots. Also, will they burn the Danish flag, or confuse it with the Swiss flag again?

im betting the American flag gets thrown in there for some odd reason

go forth you people in the "religion of peace", go kill people in the name of your religion because of a cartoon and show us how peacful your religion really is.

From Danemark's own constitution:
Blasphemy is forbidden by § 140 of the penal code:

"Anybody who publicly mocks or insults any in this country legally existing religious community tenets of faith or worship, will be punished by fine or imprisonment for up to 4 months."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_and_freedom_of_the_press_in_Denmark

yet somehow there is an exception in mocking islam....


That's a fucked up law. Personally I think they should do away with it completely, but since I'm American I don't get a say. Since it's on the books they should enforce it or get rid of it, but letting it stand and not enforcing it will only convince the Muslims that the danes are bigots.

Poke a bee hive with a stick and a few bees will attack you. Break their hive in half and they will swarm you. Put the stick away and let the bees make honey.
When the Danes and others start organizing field trips to parade down the streets of Medina and Ridyah with pictures of Mohammed, I'll agree with you.

As it stands, we have rights in our own homelands and it's their job to respect that just as much as it's our job to respect their rights in their homelands. Christians have been getting offended in the West for years. Big whooptidoo. Freedom of speech trumps freedom of religion because people can believe what they want no matter what is said; limiting speech in the interest of defending religious beliefs would force assholes to shut up, certainly, but would also prevent the sort of unavoidably offensive yet inherently necessary discussion required to come to a reasonable understanding of each other.

Look at the recent flap over the Pope quoting someone long dead. If we can't quote dead people to merely say how they thought at that time, how are we ever supposed to work towards a true understanding rather than a Pollyannish solution, mouths firmly shut in a smile and hands folded?

:headbang: NOT MUSLIMS PUKE FOR BRAINS! JUST THE FRICKEN RADICLE GROUPS THINKIN THAT EVERY SHOULD THINK THE SAME! WHEN WILL YOU POEPLE GET IT THREW YER FRICKEN SKULLS! MUSLIMS ARE AWESOME!ITS TERRORISTS(that dont exist mind you) THAT YOU SHOULD HATE YOU PIG HEAD IDIOT!!!!:upyours:

Muslims are no more "awesome" than any other group of humans. Humans in general are far from awesome. You are all equally worthless.

It's good to see more young people who are willing to make a statement and stand up for western society.

Viva free speech.

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Look. It's Mohammed holding a bomb. Or maybe it's an apple. I don't know. I do know that whatever it is, I have a right to draw it, whether it be offensive, racist or even poorly drawn.

I wonder how many people the Muslims will kill this time in the ensuing riots. Also, will they burn the Danish flag, or confuse it with the Swiss flag again?

Such things are not done by a religion of Peace. :(

go Denmark!! :D

Blasphemy is forbidden by the government? Fascists.

People have the right to draw or say whatever they want. No matter how offensive it is. Imagine if this was outlawed:

http://www.wiseass.org/html/content-jesus.html
Now wouldn't that be sad?

Good. They should be allowed to do this.
Even nutcases and idiots need to be allowed to talk. :)

If it was done in a more mature way this wouldn't be bad, people of one religious group shouldn't get to censor what everyone else does. However, the cartoons sounded rather childish and intentionally offensive.

It's good to see more young people who are willing to make a statement and stand up for western society.

how is deliberatly offending the worlds second largest religion 'standing up for western society'?

if these cartoons were anti-jew i wonder would there be the same level of support? no, because its trendy to be anti-muslim these days isnt it.

I think a great many Muslims would be very interested in knowing just what the hell it is they're expected to do.

How about pressing the "ignore the idiots" button whenever their religion is made fun of? You know, the same thing Christians, Jews, and others have been doing for years. :rolleyes:

How about pressing the "ignore the idiots" button whenever their religion is made fun of? You know, the same thing Christians, Jews, and others have been doing for years. :rolleyes:Eh? The Christians got pretty riled about some cartoons in the college newspaper at my university. Didn't kill anyone, but certainly failed to press the "ignore the idiots" button.

If it was done in a more mature way this wouldn't be bad, people of one religious group shouldn't get to censor what everyone else does. However, the cartoons sounded rather childish and intentionally offensive.
So is this:
http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/dfp/funny_jesus_4.gif
But I don't have a problem with it.

how is deliberatly offending the worlds second largest religion 'standing up for western society'?

if these cartoons were anti-jew i wonder would there be the same level of support? no, because its trendy to be anti-muslim these days isnt it.

Meh... Freedom of Speech, who needs that western value?

Will you be disappointed if they don't do anything? :rolleyes:

That would be very refreshing.

...no Human Being can be angry forever, it's too tiresome.

Don't bet on that.

how is deliberatly offending the worlds second largest religion 'standing up for western society'?

if these cartoons were anti-jew i wonder would there be the same level of support? no, because its trendy to be anti-muslim these days isnt it.

Free speech is one of the pillars of western culture. That's how it's "standing up for western society".

Free speech is one of the pillars of western culture. That's how it's "standing up for western society".
Meh... Freedom of Speech, who needs that western value?

absolute freedom of speech never has and never will exist in the west.

i dont have the right to advertise cyanide as childrens food.

i dont have the right to accuse someone of a crime they didnt commit

i dont have the right to scream fire in a crowded cinema

i dont have the right to make child porn

i dont have the right to write an article advocating genocide

i dont have the right to deny the holocaust

i dont have the right to curse on tv before 9pm

etc etc

its an empty phrase.

how many of you champions of free speech though the iranian holocaust cartoon competetion was a giggle too? if you dont defend both, you are a hypocrite.

Eh? The Christians got pretty riled about some cartoons in the college newspaper at my university. Didn't kill anyone, but certainly failed to press the "ignore the idiots" button.

Did they riot in the streets? Did they burn flags? Did they try to burn down buildings? Did they make it an international incident and have protests in Christian counties all over the world, or did the just carry a sign or two and walk up and down the the streed yelling "Not right?"

I'ld rather prefer it wouldn't be neo-fascists/-nazis "standing up for western society", because, you know, these people, once in power, tend to silence those disagreeing with them (a.k.a. making use of free speech) quite... harshly.
So yea, a fine example of western values upholded by fascists, by way of insulting & derrogating millions of people.
Let's all have a party, because t3h l0n3 w4rri0rz defend us!

http://www.220.ro/storage/jesus_lol.jpg

absolute freedom of speech never has and never will exist in the west.

i dont have the right to advertise cyanide as childrens food.
That is because you would be lying.

i dont have the right to accuse someone of a crime they didnt commit

Again - a lie

i dont have the right to scream fire in a crowded cinema

If there is no fire it is another lie.

i dont have the right to make child porn

Because that would involve commiting a crime.

i dont have the right to write an article advocating genocide

Are you sure? There's plenty of cases on here where people have advocated genocide.

i dont have the right to deny the holocaust

Which country do you live in?

i dont have the right to curse on tv before 9pm

A person can choose to look at the cartoons, and they know they will see them, and are expecting them. If they don;t want to permit their children or themselvs to see them they can easily do so. TV beams it a little more directly into your life with less warning on content. Which is why they have time limits.
how many of you champions of free speech though the iranian holocaust cartoon competetion was a giggle too? if you dont defend both, you are a hypocrite.
Well - I don't like either, but I think they both had the right to do it.

So is this:
http://media.damnfunnypictures.com/dfp/funny_jesus_4.gif
But I don't have a problem with it.
Yeah, but that's random and funny.

I think depicting Mohamed as a camel is just going out of the way to be offensive.

That is because you would be lying.

Again - a lie

If there is no fire it is another lie.

Because that would involve commiting a crime.

Are you sure?

Which country do you live in?

A person can choose to look at the cartoons, and they know they will see them, and are expecting them. If they don;t want to permit their children or themselvs to see them they can easily do so. TV beams it a little more directly into your life with less warning on content. Which is why they have time limits.

Well - I don't like either, but I think they both had the right to do it.


so mohammed was a drunk camel?

there is no artistic merit to these cartoons. someone is deliberatly trying to provoke a violent reaction. that crosses the free speech line.

rights imply responsibilities. and any dane who decides to reopen this can of worms )apparantly just because they can) is playing a very dangerous game.

again, of jews were on the sharp end of these cartoons would you be so smug?

Did they riot in the streets? Did they burn flags? Did they try to burn down buildings? Did they make it an international incident and have protests in Christian counties all over the world, or did the just carry a sign or two and walk up and down the the streed yelling "Not right?"Did you kick any puppies today?

so mohammed was a drunk camel?
What? do you get up in arms every time a politician gets depicted as a camel in a political cartoon?

again, of jews were on the sharp end of these cartoons would you be so smug?

I believe jews were on the sharp end of the Iranian cartoons. I don't like them, but I think they should ahve the right to draw them.

Personally I thought a couple of the Iranian ones had reasonable merit - like the one of the 'Intafedia' (spelling?) Spike going through the boot depicting Israel stamping on Palastine. As a political cartoon it had a point.

absolute freedom of speech never has and never will exist in the west.

i dont have the right to advertise cyanide as childrens food.

i dont have the right to accuse someone of a crime they didnt commit

i dont have the right to scream fire in a crowded cinema

i dont have the right to make child porn

i dont have the right to write an article advocating genocide
i dont have the right to deny the holocaust

i dont have the right to curse on tv before 9pm

etc etc

its an empty phrase.

how many of you champions of free speech though the iranian holocaust cartoon competetion was a giggle too? if you dont defend both, you are a hypocrite.
You do have the right to do the two examples in bold. At least in the USA you do. Now I agree that it's not an absolute right, but none of our rights are absolute, they are all limited to some extent. Western nations tend to limit those rights much less than other nations. Try badmouthing the government in China or Iran, for example. It's not an empty phrase to a dissident being tortured in a Chinese prison.

Also I had no problem with the Iranian anti-semitic cartoons. I support free speech.

Spike going through the boot depicting Israel stamping on Palastine. As a political cartoon it had a point.

:p :p