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Parliament is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11838973#post11838973).

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The election is OVER. Thank you to all who took part. The results can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11772706&postcount=140).

This thread is for parties to announce their MPs. Please do so as quickly as possible so that Parliament can begin in a timely manner. For the number of seats obtained by each party, consult the aforementioned link.


List

Choose [your pogo stick] Wisely Party
Gravlen
Ifreann
The Beautiful Darkness
WC Imperial Court

Freedom, Environment & Science Party
Ultraviolent Radiation
Bumboat

Human Rights Party
Kinda Sensible people
Neo Undelia

MOBRA
Harlesburg
Posi
Demonic Gophers

New British Imperialist Party
Philosopy
Vacuumhead
The Friesland colony
Praetonia

NS Democratic Socialist Party
Fleckenstein
Maineiacs

PUNKS AND PIRATES Party
Daistallia 2104
Londim
Anarchuslavia

United Democratic Communist Party
Jello Biafra
New Burmesia
Wanderjar

One seat for the Freedom, Environment and Science Party, then. Guess that makes me an MP.

Yay, look again we got two seats :D not bad now just lets make a coalition with another party to start hoarding power muwahahah!

Done and confirmed.

Which means... the number of seats is as follows:

New British Imperialist Party: 16.56% => 4 seats (3.44% away from +1)
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 15.89% => 4 seats (4.11% away from +1)
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 9.27% => 2 seats (2.73% away from +1)
United Democratic Communist Party: 9.27% => 2 seats (2.73% away from +1)
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 8.61% => 2 seats (3.39% away from +1)
Democratic Socialist Party: 7.95% => 2 seats (4.05% away from +1)
Human Rights Party: 7.28% => 2 seats (4.72% away from +1)
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 5.30% => 1 seat (2.70% away from +1)
Religious Conservative Party: 4.64% => 1 seat (3.36% away from +1)
Libertarian Party: 3.31% => 0 seat
Autonomist Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Free Republic Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Alcohol Party: 1.99% => 0 seat
Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland: 1.32% => 0 seat
Defenderist Party: 0.66% => 0 seat

Which accounts for 20 seats. We move on to rounding.

The Freedom, Environment and Science Party ist closest to obtaining an extra seat, and so gets one. Next come the PUNKS & PIRATES Party and the UDCP. Finally, on a very narrow margin, the RCP and MOBRA get the two remaining seats.

So, the final number of seats:

New British Imperialist Party: 4 seats
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 4 seats
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 3 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 3 seats
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 3 seats
Democratic Socialist Party: 2 seats
Human Rights Party: 2 seats
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 2 seats
Religious Conservative Party: 2 seats

For a total of 25 seats.

Congratulations to all. Please indicate as soon as possible who your MPs will be.

It should be known that I supported the election against the complaints of members of my own party, but this rounding business is straight bullshit.

It is quite plain that the libertarian party was .69% away from +1 seat, that the Autonomist Party, the OFMP, and the Free Republic Party were 1.35% away from plus one seat, yet they were excluded from the extra seats for parties that were anywhere from 2.70% to 3.39% away from extra seats.

Is it any coincidence that 1.27% of the population that voted for the UDCP recieved a seat worth 4% of the vote, while four parties that totaled 11.26% of the voters recieved no representation, whatsoever?

I withdraw any endorsement or support I had previously made for this electoral system. Those in charge went forward with skewed results that stemmed from mistakes made by administrators, on the justification that a portion of the voters must have been "stupid" or "lazy", and then further skewed the results with an obviously defunct "rounding" system.

I call on anyone who hopes to see the NSG elections continue into the future with fair results, decline any chair offered to them by their party, acknowledge the illegitimacy of this parliamentary distribution, and demand open discussion resulting in a new, fair election.

How soon is "as soon as possible". If it comes to a vote for 2nd seat, I want to know how long to leave the voting open.

It is quite plain that the libertarian party was .69% away from +1 seat, that the Autonomist Party, the OFMP, and the Free Republic Party were 1.35% away from plus one seat, yet they were excluded from the extra seats for parties that were anywhere from 2.70% to 3.39% away from extra seats.

Oh, the irony... Perhaps you have a short memory. If not, you may recall that, after the first election, I rounded results without taking the treshhold into account, which resulted in parties below 4% (such as MOBRA) entering Parliament.

There was an uproar. Everyone began clamouring that it was absurd for a party to enter Parliament with less than 4% of the vote, and asked repeatedly for the system to be changed to what it is at present. In consequence, it was.

I'm getting rather sick and tired of A loudly demanding system 2, then B howling about the unfairness of system 2, which everyone had been in favour of, and demanding the re-instatement of system 1.

I really don't give a damn how the bloody system works. We have a new Parliament now; let it hammer out a new system. Let MPs consult with their respective parties, and let them even ask input from less popular parties who haven't made it into Parliament. A new system will be decided on - heck, maybe even the old one that nobody wanted and that some of you now seem to want back again - until election 5, when the usual crowd will be screaming bloody murder and posting all over the place for fresh changes.


Is it any coincidence that 1.27% of the population that voted for the UDCP recieved a seat worth 4% of the vote, while four parties that totaled 11.26% of the voters recieved no representation, whatsoever?

This really is below you - right down at the level of the most populist demagogues. You know very well that the system is mathematical, and hence impartial, and that it was decided upon way before any of us could know which way the voters would go. Lies will get you nowhere.

How soon is "as soon as possible". If it comes to a vote for 2nd seat, I want to know how long to leave the voting open.

No need to feel rushed. ;) We can't start Parliament without all the seats being attributed, so "as soon as possible" is simply a curteous request. Within five days would be nice, if possible.

I'm getting rather sick and tired of A loudly demanding system 2, then B howling about the unfairness of system 2, which everyone had been in favour of, and demanding the re-instatement of system 1.


In other words, one grows sick and tired of the system that is essentially democracy in action. Hm.


I really don't give a damn how the bloody system works.


Now that's the attitude that all conductors of electoral processes everywhere should adopt. :)

In other words, one grows sick and tired of the system that is essentially democracy in action. Hm.


No, merely of constant criticism between two opposite sides clamouring for opposite systems. Or people asking for the reverse of what's in place whatever it happens to be.

Hopefully, the new Parliament will come up with a system to please everyone. I remain skeptical; some people will complain whatever the outcome.

Oh, the irony... Perhaps you have a short memory. If not, you may recall that, after the first election, I rounded results without taking the treshhold into account, which resulted in parties below 4% (such as MOBRA) entering Parliament.

There was an uproar. Everyone began clamouring that it was absurd for a party to enter Parliament with less than 4% of the vote, and asked repeatedly for the system to be changed to what it is at present. In consequence, it was.

I'm getting rather sick and tired of A loudly demanding system 2, then B howling about the unfairness of system 2, which everyone had been in favour of, and demanding the re-instatement of system 1.

I really don't give a damn how the bloody system works. We have a new Parliament now; let it hammer out a new system. Let MPs consult with their respective parties, and let them even ask input from less popular parties who haven't made it into Parliament. A new system will be decided on - heck, maybe even the old one that nobody wanted and that some of you now seem to want back again - until election 5, when the usual crowd will be screaming bloody murder and posting all over the place for fresh changes.

There was no dessention to MOBRA's inclusion into the parliament after the first election. If you breeze through the first parliamentary thread, you will notice that not only were there no objections, but Moleland was accepted as a participant in discussion quite readily.

I have actually searched and have not found where the decision was made to create a threshhold and disallow parties from seatholding.

This really is below you - right down at the level of the most populist demagogues. You know very well that the system is mathematical, and hence impartial, and that it was decided upon way before any of us could know which way the voters would go. Lies will get you nowhere.

I feel it is quite valid to point out how the fringes of political opinions are marginalized by the current system.

damn you ruffy!

This isn't really relevant here, but we won't finalise our selection of MPs until the end of the weekend and I wanted to get it down on paper somewhere while I had the chance. It'll also give people an opportunity to comment before it becomes an actual Bill. The wording is just off the top of my head; expect a more polished final draft. Please note that many sections of this Bill (especially those with regard to elections and the appointment of the executive) are not intended to be retrospective.

The Constitution of The NationStates General Forum
We, the Fourth Parliament of NationStates General, enact the following changes to the electoral process of this forum, with the intention of strengthening a democracy that is relevant, empowered and representative today:

The Executive
1.1 The Executive Power of NSG shall be held by the Cabinet.
1.2 Following legislative elections, the leader of the largest party in Parliament (by seat number or, if two parties are equal in this respect, share of the vote) shall be appointed as Prime Minister.
1.3 The Prime Minister sole power is to appoint and dismiss members of the Cabinet.
1.4 The minimum size of the Cabinet shall be five members. There is no maximum.
1.5 This section shall become active following elections to the Fifth NSG Parliament.

The Legislative
2.1 The legislative power of NSG shall be held by the Parliament.
2.2 There shall be 50 members of Parliament.
2.3 Members of the Cabinet shall sit in Parliament, but shall have no greater power than other members.
2.4 Legislation shall be introducted in the following way.
(a)The Cabinet has the sole power of proposal. While other members may petition the Cabinet to introduce legislation, they may not introduce it themselves.
(b) Proposals [(i)from the Cabinet] will be subject to debate (not lasting longer than 7 days).
(c) At the end of this debate, a vote will be held. If a simple majority is achieved, the Bill becomes an Act.
2.5 The following sections shall become immediately active; 2.1, 2.4(b), 2.4(c). The following sections shall become active in the Fifth Parliamentary Session; 2.2, 2.3, 2.4(a). 2.4(b)(i) shall be inserted in the Fifth Parliamentary session.

The Judiciary
3.1 At the start of each Parliamentary session, the Parliament shall elect a panel of three judges from its members to form the House of Law Lords.
3.2 The judges, while remaining members of their parties, are neutral and impartial with all matters relating to their judicial role.
3.3 The House of Law Lords will rule on all matters relating to this Constitution and its implementation.
3.4 This section shall become active following elections to the Fifth NSG Parliament.

Elections
4.4 Parliament shall be elected using proportional representation.
4.5 Elections will happen at intervals no greater than six months.
4.6 Parliament may dissolve itself and call early elections if it so desires.
4.7 In order to be included on ballot papers, a Party must have a minimum of ten members.
4.8 Each Party shall be entitled to select one MP for every 2% of the vote it receives.
4.9 Where there are seats remaining after first level distibution, the remaining seats shall be distributed in the following way and order:

One seat for the largest party in Parliament;
One seat for the Party closest to the next 2% threshold;
One seat for the next closest Party to the threshold, in decending order of distance from the mark;
If, at the end of this process, there are still remaining seats, the process starts again from point one.

4.10 This section shall become immediately active.

ok everyone; those are my ideas. Comments/criticisms welcome.

I feel it is quite valid to point out how the fringes of political opinions are
marginalized by the current system.

And efforts are already underway to enhance the effect, too.


1.2 Following legislative elections, the leader of the largest party in Parliament (by seat number or, if two parties are equal in this respect, share of the vote) shall be appointed as Prime Minister.
1.3 The Prime Minister sole power is to appoint and dismiss members of the Cabinet.
...
2.4 Legislation shall be introducted in the following way.
(a)The Cabinet has the sole power of proposal. While other members may petition the Cabinet to introduce legislation, they may not introduce it themselves.


The largest party gets the PM, the PM gets to choose the cabinet, and of course only the cabinet gets to introduce legislation. In other words, all your legislative power are belong to the largest party. (I'm currently taking a class on the subject, but still am not an expert. Is this how parliaments typically work? Seems rather flawed to me).


3.1 At the start of each Parliamentary session, the Parliament shall elect a panel of three judges from its members to form the House of Law Lords.
3.2 The judges, while remaining members of their parties, are neutral and impartial with all matters relating to their judicial role.
3.3 The House of Law Lords will rule on all matters relating to this Constitution and its implementation.


Ah, and all your constitutional procedure and rights are belong to the largest party (with the most vote in the election of the panel) too. 3.2 is especially amusing.


4.7 In order to be included on ballot papers, a Party must have a
minimum of ten members.


Taking the list of participating parties now simply for illustrative purposes, such a measure would have, according to party threads, eliminated small parties from Parliament, including:

Religious Conservatives
Freedom, Environment, and Science
MOBRA

(all three are invited to defend themselves with the help of the NS General Coalition for Electoral Reform (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11765635#post11765635).)

Even smaller parties, including my own, would have been left out completely, even from elections (oops?). But, of course, large parties like the New British Imperial Party and the United Democratic Communist Party would have nothing to fear. Geepers, Mister, that's awful convienient, ain' it?

The war against small parties continues.

The largest party gets the PM, the PM gets to choose the cabinet, and of course only the cabinet gets to introduce legislation. In other words, all your legislative power are belong to the largest party. (I'm currently taking a class on the subject, but still am not an expert. Is this how parliaments typically work? Seems rather flawed to me).

Usually, you need a majority coalition to appoint the PM.

This isn't really relevant here, but we won't finalise our selection of MPs until the end of the weekend and I wanted to get it down on paper somewhere while I had the chance. It'll also give people an opportunity to comment before it becomes an actual Bill. The wording is just off the top of my head; expect a more polished final draft. Please note that many sections of this Bill (especially those with regard to elections and the appointment of the executive) are not intended to be retrospective.
Save it for parliament, stretch.

Usually, you need a majority coalition to appoint the PM.

I suppose, then, that my criticism is directed against the parliamentary model in general. Must be a preference for not putting all the executive and legislative powers into the hands of one person/party; "seperation of powers" and such.

At any rate, adding the judicial powers as well, as the proposal would do, is still patently absurd. "judges will remain neutral." Sure they will. *wink*wink*

I suppose, then, that my criticism is directed against the parliamentary model in general. Must be a preference for not putting all the executive and legislative powers into the hands of one person/party; "seperation of powers" and such.

The coalition model does not do this at all, at least not in theory. The PM must pay attention to every party in the coalition, representing the majority of the population; her overall set of policies must thus have broad appeal, and her power is substantially limited.

The risk is that concentrating power in the PM, the party leadership of the coalition parties, and the cabinet will result in policy that is not so concretely connected to the will of the population, and democracy is subverted.

Of course, in that respect it is hardly different from any other statist democratic political system, and may well qualify as "least bad" (because it maximizes political pluralism and flexibility.)

All of that said, the proposal put forth by Philosopy is blatantly undemocratic; the largest party in a PR system will rarely if ever hold a majority in its own right, and giving it the sole power of proposal means it can subvert the will of the majority if it sees fit.

The largest party gets the PM, the PM gets to choose the cabinet, and of course only the cabinet gets to introduce legislation. In other words, all your legislative power are belong to the largest party. (I'm currently taking a class on the subject, but still am not an expert. Is this how parliaments typically work? Seems rather flawed to me).
All the legislative process does not belong to the largest power, in any way, shape or form. Firstly, the PM can appoint Cabinet Ministers from whichever party he desires. Secondly, it is the power of proposal, not any greater powers than this. If you look at the current Parliamentary make up as an example, I could introduce legislation to, say, make everyone wear purple hats, but it doesn't mean it would actually pass. The idea is to create an incentive to win while leaving the main power with the Parliament.

Taking the list of participating parties now simply for illustrative purposes, such a measure would have, according to party threads, eliminated small parties from Parliament,

Even smaller parties, including my own, would have been left out completely, even from elections (oops?). But, of course, large parties like the New British Imperial Party and the United Democratic Communist Party would have nothing to fear. Geepers, Mister, that's awful convienient, ain' it?
If you can't even pass the first hurdle of getting ten people on a forum of hundreds to support you, then you can't realistically claim to have any support.

The war against small parties continues.
Your 'party' is little more than you throwing a tantrum because you weren't elected; your 'proposals' are that anyone who wants to be an MP should just have to form a party and vote for themselves, and then it's 'democratic' that they should get a seat.

Save it for parliament, stretch.
Can you not read, or are pointless comments a speciality of yours?

At any rate, adding the judicial powers as well, as the proposal would do, is still patently absurd. "judges will remain neutral." Sure they will. *wink*wink*
Again, you have read what you want to see, not what is there. The judges are there to uphold the constitution - seeing as it's tricky to see how someone could be acused of gross misconduct on this game, or how this constitution doesn't actually prohibit anything, their role will primarily be to oversee the elections and when they're called.

All of that said, the proposal put forth by Philosopy is blatantly undemocratic; the largest party in a PR system will rarely if ever hold a majority in its own right, and giving it the sole power of proposal means it can subvert the will of the majority if it sees fit.
I don't see any ability to 'subvert' here. At best, it will lead to a more controlled and determined Parliament that actually does something besides wait for the next election; at worst, it will be a hung Parliament where no one supports the Cabinets proposals.

How can it be any worse than the last two Parliaments?

There was no dessention to MOBRA's inclusion into the parliament after the first election. If you breeze through the first parliamentary thread, you will notice that not only were there no objections, but Moleland was accepted as a participant in discussion quite readily.

I have actually searched and have not found where the decision was made to create a threshhold and disallow parties from seatholding.



I feel it is quite valid to point out how the fringes of political opinions are marginalized by the current system.
I voted against the system in the last seating, you gave me no heed.-_-
damn you ruffy!
I told you to vote MOBRA, now look at what you have done.

I suppose, then, that my criticism is directed against the parliamentary model in general. Must be a preference for not putting all the executive and legislative powers into the hands of one person/party; "seperation of powers" and such.
In most Parliamentary models the Executive must have the confidence of a Parliamentary majority. The one submitted by Philosophy is odd in that respect, although it is the system used in the UK and Canada.

I would advise against a three branch system for NS for technical resons. What would the 'executive' do? It cannot initiate policy in a three branch system, nor is there anyone to enforce the law on.

At any rate, adding the judicial powers as well, as the proposal would do, is still patently absurd. "judges will remain neutral." Sure they will. *wink*wink*
We do that in the UK. If decisions were taken by a supermajority (2/3) that would ensure neutrality. But again, are we going to be having actual court decisions in NS?

I voted against the system in the last seating, you gave me no heed.-_-

I told you to vote MOBRA, now look at what you have done.

I can't even find where the issue even came up.

If you are talking about the Elections Bill that came up earlier this year, the NSCL also voted against it.

Being the captain of me party, and seeing as the party rules give the captain the first share, I be claming a seat for meself. The laddies be diving up the rest amonst theselves. If the be not deciding quick, I be naming MPs...

The HRP will be nominating seat holders ASAP. We will also be reviewing a new set of electoral reform.

I don't see any ability to 'subvert' here.

It is quite simple. A majority of MPs, representing a majority of NSG, could support a proposal opposed by the largest party. The power of proposal essentially gives the largest party veto power.

How can it be any worse than the last two Parliaments?

What is the point if democracy is not even respected? We could have an NS Dictator who would surely do more than the last two Parliaments, but that wouldn't be as much fun.

In most Parliamentary models the Executive must have the confidence of a Parliamentary majority. The one submitted by Philosophy is odd in that respect, although it is the system used in the UK and Canada.
Not entirely. In Canada we allow Private Members' Bills, which basically let anyone submit a bill to Parliament, regardless of party.

I'm sure i'll take a seat and the other two can go to the victors of a spoon vs spoon fight!

I'm sure i'll take a seat and the other two can go to the victors of a spoon vs spoon fight!

I used a knife. *shifty-eyes*

I used a knife. *shifty-eyes*
Ha ha!
Crafty!

Thats just how we fight in MOBRA.
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MOBRA SEATS
HARLESBURG
POSI
(Empty)

Ha ha!
Crafty!

Thats just how we fight in MOBRA.
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MOBRA SEATS
HARLESBURG
POSI
(Empty)

CC would be good if he teh web.

CC would be good if he teh web.
Or
Demonic Gophers
Demented Hamsters
Moleland
Subterranean Molemen
Mole Patrol
Eh-oh
[Pets]
So confuzzled:(

I'm glad the Democratic Socialists did as well as they did.

W00t for Socialism! :D

It is quite simple. A majority of MPs, representing a majority of NSG, could support a proposal opposed by the largest party. The power of proposal essentially gives the largest party veto power.
If they're a majority of MPs representing a majority of NSG, then they should have won the election, wot!

If anything, what your suggesting is simply an incentive to form coalitions and merge parties in order to control the power of proposal. As such, the Parliament will gain increased relevance, and a reduction in the number of parties will help to iron out electoral difficulties even further.

What is the point if democracy is not even respected? We could have an NS Dictator who would surely do more than the last two Parliaments, but that wouldn't be as much fun.
This is precisely my point - where was the 'fun' in the last two Parliaments? They had an election, nominated the MPs, then argued about the election, then disappeared. Equally, there would be no fun in the dictatorship you propose, because there is no real power here. The Parliament is a bit of fun, a structured way of NSG debates - so why not let it actually work for a change?

If it all goes disastorously wrong then all that will happen is that it will disappear again until the next election, when people will just change it back. It's not as if the fate of the universe is currently in our hands.

T'is BUMPed.

Let's try to keep this on topic, btw. This is to announce MPs.

T'is BUMPed.

Let's try to keep this on topic, btw. This is to announce MPs.

CYPSWP are voting on their MPs, we should have the results in a day or two, hopefully.

Ha ha!
Crafty!

Thats just how we fight in MOBRA.
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MOBRA SEATS
HARLESBURG
POSI
(Empty)
Well, I usually use a knife... or darts. But just for a change...

*Produces spoon*
Any challengers?

(That's a spiky grapefruit spoon, by the way - like this (https://www.surfasonline.com/images/products/10689L.jpg) or this (http://www.geocities.com/athens/olympus/1810/whatisaspork/no.jpg).)

The HRP's representatives will be:

Kinda Sensible people
Neo Undelia

The HRP's representatives will be:

Kinda Sensible people
Neo Undelia

Added.

Pending further issues and such, Demonic Gophers is MP number Three!

If they're a majority of MPs representing a majority of NSG, then they should have won the election, wot!

They're a majority on one issue, not on all, necessarily.

If anything, what your suggesting is simply an incentive to form coalitions and merge parties in order to control the power of proposal.

If you permit coalitions and votes of no confidence, I have no objection.

Vacuumhead should be a Brit Party MP, if they ain't.

Pending further issues and such, Demonic Gophers is MP number Three!

Added!

The UDCP's MPs:

Jello Biafra
New Burmesia
Wanderjar

It will be an honor serving in Parliament. I look forward to debating the issues with the other MPs.

It will be an honor serving in Parliament. I look forward to debating the issues with the other MPs.

We already have the issue of electoral reform to consider, and hopefully this time we will actually get round to debating and passing something :D

The MPs for CypsW Party are as follows:

Gravlen
Ifreann
The Beautiful Darkness
WC Imperial Court

You can't spell bump without MP. :D

The election is OVER. Thank you to all who took part. The results can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11772706&postcount=140).

This thread is for parties to announce their MPs. Please do so as quickly as possible so that Parliament can begin in a timely manner. For the number of seats obtained by each party, consult the aforementioned link.


List

Human Rights Party
Kinda Sensible people
Neo Undelia

MOBRA
Harlesburg
Posi
Demonic Gophers

United Democratic Communist Party
Jello Biafra
New Burmesia
Wanderjar

I notice ye ben't naming the PUNKS AND PIRATES MP already named...

Being the captain of me party, and seeing as the party rules give the captain the first share, I be claming a seat for meself. The laddies be diving up the rest amonst theselves. If the be not deciding quick, I be naming MPs...

Londim has taken one other (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11797869&postcount=112), and if none be volunteering afore tomorrow's morning watch (GMT), I be naming the third.

The MPs for CypsW Party are as follows:

Gravlen
Ifreann
The Beautiful Darkness
WC Imperial Court

Added.

Daistallia 2104, I'll add all your party's MPs at the same time once they've all been named.

Added.

:fluffle: :fluffle:
*drinks in parliament bar*

Added.

Thank you. :)

:fluffle: :fluffle:
*drinks in parliament bar*

:eek: There's a parliament bar? :D

Thank you. :)



:eek: There's a parliament bar? :D

If there's not then it should be parliament's first act to establish one.

*drinks in parliament bar*

:eek: There's a parliament bar? :DYep. All the non-alcoholic beverages you could want. No smoking here, though.

Yep. All the non-alcoholic beverages you could want. No smoking here, though.

I don't care about not smoking, but if there isn't alcohol here then I'm gonna have to burn the place down.

Yep. All the non-alcoholic beverages you could want. No smoking here, though.

That's not a bar!

That's not a bar!
There's as much tea as you want to drink, wot!

There's as much tea as you want to drink, wot!

That may have been a campaign promise >.>

I don't care about not smoking, but if there isn't alcohol here then I'm gonna have to burn the place down.

You now have 3 seals.

Dude, your ona roll!

And I agree with JB, it will certainly be an honor to represent the UDCP

You now have 3 seals.

Dude, your ona roll!

I win at having Wanderjarian seals of approval.

No alcohol?! Thats almost as bad as a mutiny!

No alcohol?! Thats almost as bad as a mutiny!

Well on a ship without rum, mutiny is guaranteed.

Daistallia 2104, I'll add all your party's MPs at the same time once they've all been named.

I be appointing Anarchuslavia to the duty. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11802774&postcount=113)

*drinks in parliament bar*

::: passes the rum:::

Yep. All the non-alcoholic beverages you could want. No smoking here, though.

ARRR!!!!! Lassie, ye be speaking ill outta turn thar.... Be ye careful...

I don't care about not smoking, but if there isn't alcohol here then I'm gonna have to burn the place down.
No alcohol?! Thats almost as bad as a mutiny!
Well on a ship without rum, mutiny is guaranteed.

Jello, ye best be open them kegs I spy behind the bar, afore the laddies get ... "upset"...

Yep. All the non-alcoholic beverages you could want. No smoking here, though.

Hmm, I can deal with that. I'll have a tropical fruit juice. :D

I be appointing Anarchuslavia to the duty. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11802774&postcount=113)



::: passes the rum:::



ARRR!!!!! Lassie, ye be speaking ill outta turn thar.... Be ye careful...





Jello, ye best be open them kegs I spy behind the bar, afore the laddies get ... "upset"...

A pirate after my own heart. *consumes a strange mix of rainbow sherbert and rum*

Can I hang out at the Parliament Bar until I find out for sure if I'm still an MP?

Can I hang out at the Parliament Bar until I find out for sure if I'm still an MP?

Yes, but it's your round, wot!

NSDSP is working on it.


Hopefully.

Yes, but it's your round, wot!

*flicks a penny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennying) into Philo's drink*
Mwahaha.

*flicks a penny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennying) into Philo's drink*
Mwahaha.
*Downs his tea*

*Downs his tea*

Oh dear, tea? Now Her Majesty will have burns.

Oh dear, tea? Now Her Majesty will have burns.

We have stomachs of iron, wot, formed from centuries of tea drinking!

We have stomachs of iron, wot, formed from centuries of tea drinking!

This explains so much. Now I see why all those indian curries don't have chavs melted into a puddle of burbury.

I be appointing Anarchuslavia to the duty. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11802774&postcount=113)


Added.


::: passes the rum:::


*guzzles*

Yay, 15 MPs out of 25!

*Drinks to the Victory!*

This explains so much. Now I see why all those indian curries don't have chavs melted into a puddle of burbury.

Ha ha! :D

I say, Indian food is amazingly good. Nothing quite compares to that beautiful taste, wot! I propose a toast to India, our most wonderful colony.

*Sups tea* http://forum.mambo-foundation.org/images/smilies/tea.gif

Jello, ye best be open them kegs I spy behind the bar, afore the laddies get ... "upset"...All right, if you insist, though I'm not sure what they want with kegs of dynamite.

Ha ha! :D

I say, Indian food is amazingly good. Nothing quite compares to that beautiful taste, wot! I propose a toast to India, our most wonderful colony.

*Sups tea* http://forum.mambo-foundation.org/images/smilies/tea.gif

I must agree, you did well in grabbing hold of Ind-jah.

All right, if you insist, though I'm not sure what they want with kegs of dynamite.

Ye'll be tellings us what ye did with the rum, or ye'll be "kissing me daughter"....

The New British Imperial Party (that's the winners, wot!) are ready to announce their seats! They are as follows:

The Rt. Hon. Admiral Lord Sir Professor Philosopy CBE OBE MBE
The Rt. Hon. Lady Lord Sir Vacuumhead CBE OBE MBE
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir The Friesland colony CBE OBE MBE
The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia CBE OBE MBE

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/animated_union_jack2.gif
NBIP
God Save the Queen

The New British Imperial Party (that's the winners, wot!) are ready to announce their seats! They are as follows:

The Rt. Hon. Admiral Lord Sir Professor Philosopy CBE OBE MBE
The Rt. Hon. Lady Lord Sir Vacuumhead CBE OBE MBE
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir The Friesland colony CBE OBE MBE
The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia CBE OBE MBE

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/animated_union_jack2.gif
NBIP
God Save the Queen

I say, good sah, can't one have ones rank in front of "Lord" in the same manner as the good admiral here? But I am jolly glad I've been elected, wot! Now let's get down to some British debating about whether Frogs are more uncouth than Yanks or something to that effect!

I say, good sah, can't one have ones rank in front of "Lord" in the same manner as the good admiral here? But I am jolly glad I've been elected, wot! Now let's get down to some British debating about whether Frogs are more uncouth than Yanks or something to that effect!
Of course, good sah! These were simply copied from the members list, and so have not been updated to reflect your glorious appointments in the name of Her Majesty!

Pip pip!

The New British Imperial Party (that's the winners, wot!) are ready to announce their seats! They are as follows:

The Rt. Hon. Admiral Lord Sir Professor Philosopy CBE OBE MBE
The Rt. Hon. Lady Lord Sir Vacuumhead CBE OBE MBE
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir The Friesland colony CBE OBE MBE
The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia CBE OBE MBE

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/animated_union_jack2.gif
NBIP
God Save the Queen

Added.

Congratulations Vacuumhead.:)

Now let's get down to some British debating about whether Frogs are more uncouth than Yanks or something to that effect!
I would say those bloody Yanks are more uncouth by far, they have no idea how to treat a lady.

Congratulations Vacuumhead.:)

My thanks, good sah! :)

NBIP seem to be taking over this thread so


ALL HANDS ON DECK!

Congratulations Vacuumhead.:)

I second that. Cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit, Vacuumhead? ;)

NBIP seem to be taking over this thread so


ALL HANDS ON DECK!

The Royal Navy will stop you pirate scum, wot! :gundge:

I second that. Cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit, Vacuumhead? ;)

Of course, dear lady sah! *Dunks biscuit*

I understand that you are the minister of chocolate. I must say, well done. I rather like these chocolate digestives.

The Royal Navy will stop you pirate scum, wot! :gundge:



Of course, dear lady sah! *Dunks biscuit*

I understand that you are the minister of chocolate. I must say, well done. I rather like these chocolate digestives.

Surely you don ot ask a war from me and my Pirate brothers and sisters! Ahh sir before you try to purge the seas of us corrupt villanous scoundrels ye shall look into your own navy..........WOT!

Of course, dear lady sah! *Dunks biscuit*

I understand that you are the minister of chocolate. I must say, well done. I rather like these chocolate digestives.

Thankyou! I shall be lobbying for greater avaliability of all chocolate products, especially for MPs. ;)

I call on anyone who hopes to see the NSG elections continue into the future with fair results, decline any chair offered to them by their party, acknowledge the illegitimacy of this parliamentary distribution, and demand open discussion resulting in a new, fair election.
Can't the libertarian-liberal parties form a coalition together and gain seats anyway? It's not as if we differ that much ideologically...

Can't the libertarian-liberal parties form a coalition together and gain seats anyway? It's not as if we differ that much ideologically...

That makes sense to me, sah! In real elections there are less parties involved, wot! Every person who is interested in politics doesn't start a new party, they join an existing one which they mostly agree with. Sure you cannot agree on every little thing, but if you have close enough views then why not merge your parties? You will be better off then, wotwot!

Can't the libertarian-liberal parties form a coalition together and gain seats anyway? It's not as if we differ that much ideologically...

Fractionalized percentages of votes are less likely to recieve chairs than one percentage of votes, this is magnified in the current seat allotment, where small parties don't recieve any representation.

This was the whole point of the resurrection of the classic liberals, to drum up unified support.

I second that. Cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit, Vacuumhead? ;)
o_O

o_O

What? :confused:

Actually, several of my friends from different parties have become MPs. I have contacts. :cool:

Actually, several of my friends from different parties have become MPs. I have contacts. :cool:

Indeed you do. How do you intend to use them?

Indeed you do. How do you intend to use them?

I shall use your help to make NationStates join the commonwealth and recognise the Queen as head of state. Also, everyone in the Emparh shall receive free chocolate along with their tea, wot! :)

I shall use your help to make NationStates join the commonwealth and recognise the Queen as head of state. Also, everyone in the Emparh shall receive free chocolate along with their tea, wot! :)

I rather like the part about the chocolate, but I don't know that it will be easy for you to convince everyone to join your Commonwealth...

I rather like the part about the chocolate, but I don't know that it will be easy for you to convince everyone to join your Commonwealth...

Only those in the Commonwealth get free chocolate...

Only those in the Commonwealth get free chocolate...

The problem with that, is that I control chocolate distribution. You may have to attempt to bribe me to go along with that plan... ;)

I shall use your help to make NationStates join the commonwealth "I say there's no common wealth in the commonwealth 'cause it's the colour of your money matters since the day the country died." - Pitchshifter
Thought that would be relevant here.

What? :confused:
The wink, made no sense...
*Draws from his pipe*
*Pop*
*Pop*
*Pop*

The wink, made no sense...
*Draws from his pipe*
*Pop*
*Pop*
*Pop*

Yes it did. They always do... ;)

Yes it did. They always do... ;)

;) Naughty wink, that is... :p

;) Naughty wink, that is... :p

;) Whatever are you talking about? My winks aren't naughty. [/angel smilie]

Yes it did. They always do... ;)
Then you should explain.-_-

I say, sahs, can we have a closing date on nominations so we can actually get started on Her Majesty's business, wot?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/animated_union_jack2.gif

I say, sahs, can we have a closing date on nominations so we can actually get started on Her Majesty's business, wot?


Well, it would be difficult to start Parliament without 25 MPs. But if there’s nothing new by tomorrow I’ll send TGs to the party leaders concerned, and set a deadline.

NSDSP:

Fleckenstein
Maineiacs

NSDSP:

Fleckenstein
Maineiacs

Added. We now have 21 MPs. Time to go hunting for the 4 still missing...

Added. We now have 21 MPs. Time to go hunting for the 4 still missing...All right. <Gets shotgun.>

All right. <Gets shotgun.>

As long as you use tranquilisers so we can drag them in.

Tranquilisers... In a shotgun... hmmm...

As long as you use tranquilisers so we can drag them in.

Tranquilisers... In a shotgun... hmmm...

Maybe he plans to hit them with the shotgun.

Maybe he plans to hit them with the shotgun.

Ah yes, of course. That must be it.

I'm reassured now. :)

Ah yes, of course. That must be it.

I'm reassured now. :)

Glad to be of help. :)

Glad to be of help. :)

Just poke them with your wise Pogo Stick!

Sooo... What's the responsibilities of MP's anyway?

Sooo... What's the responsibilities of MP's anyway?

We intend to ban coffee, provide incentives for tea drinking, apply for Commonwealth Membership, oblige all posters to address others with proper manners such as 'good sah', and ensure that everyone in General stands and sings God Save the Queen at midnight every day.

We intend to ban coffee, provide incentives for tea drinking, apply for Commonwealth Membership, oblige all posters to address others with proper manners such as 'good sah', and ensure that everyone in General stands and sings God Save the Queen at midnight every day.

No, that's the policies. I'm talking about the responsibilities. Do we have a meeting on wednesdays after tea? Do we have to read stuff? Should we buy paper for the copier, and expect to file briefs in triplicate? Do we have to learn to rumba? Those kinds of things...

;) Whatever are you talking about? My winks aren't naughty. [/angel smilie]

:p Of course not, nevah, perish the thought, heaven forbid! XD

No, that's the policies. I'm talking about the responsibilities. Do we have a meeting on wednesdays after tea? Do we have to read stuff? Should we buy paper for the copier, and expect to file briefs in triplicate? Do we have to learn to rumba? Those kinds of things...

Responsibilities are for secretaries, good sah! We just make the law and drink our tea!

Sooo... What's the responsibilities of MP's anyway?

They make laws.

To know how, look here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9084706&postcount=2). (Ignore the first line of that post.)

They make laws.

To know how, look here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9084706&postcount=2). (Ignore the first line of that post.)

Thank you :)

Maybe he plans to hit them with the shotgun.
Rubber Pellets are less lethal.;)

We intend to ban coffee, provide incentives for tea drinking, apply for Commonwealth Membership, oblige all posters to address others with proper manners such as 'good sah', and ensure that everyone in General stands and sings God Save the Queen at midnight every day.I tried to sing "God Save the Queen", but was yelled at, but if you insist, we can all sing it at midnight every day.

:p Of course not, nevah, perish the thought, heaven forbid! XD

:D You know me... ;-)

I tried to sing "God Save the Queen", but was yelled at, but if you insist, we can all sing it at midnight every day.

You mean, midnight every night.:D

:D You know me... ;-)

:cool: That's exactly what I was originally thinking :P

:cool: That's exactly what I was originally thinking :P

:eek: You don't mean?!!?

No, that's the policies. I'm talking about the responsibilities. Do we have a meeting on wednesdays after tea? Do we have to read stuff? Should we buy paper for the copier, and expect to file briefs in triplicate? Do we have to learn to rumba? Those kinds of things...

We're legally obliged to argue about the election for a week and then effectively disband.

We're legally obliged to argue about the election for a week and then effectively disband.

No argument here. I'm happy with four seats. :D

Shall we adjourn then? :p

:eek: You don't mean?!!?

:confused: What did you think I thought I meant? ;-)

:confused: What did you think I thought I meant? ;-)

;) Um, you're confusing me, but I think you meant I'm actually ebil?? :P

We're legally obliged to argue about the election for a week and then effectively disband.

I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!

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;) Um, you're confusing me, but I think you meant I'm actually ebil?? :P

:eek: Ebil? Heavens, no! Weeell, maybe... But I simply claimed your winks were naughty ;-)

:eek: Ebil? Heavens, no! Weeell, maybe... But I simply claimed your winks were naughty ;-)

:cool: And do you hold that position? :Eek: :P ;-)

No argument here. I'm happy with four seats. :D

Shall we adjourn then? :p
Only after I pass a law outlawing any party but CYPSWP from running in any future election.
I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!

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I can't count :(



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Only after I pass a law outlawing any party but CYPSWP from running in any future election.


So that we can win, and then not vote on anything again? :p

:cool: And do you hold that position? :Eek: :P ;-)

:fluffle: I'll hold any position you want me to hold *Sleazy grin*

:fluffle: I'll hold any position you want me to hold *Sleazy grin*

:eek: *Faints- but not before asking if that is a promise* ;-)

If this is what's going to be going on in Parliament, we really should install cameras.

To... ahem... keep an eye on the elected representatives of the people, of course. :D

If this is what's going to be going on in Parliament, we really should install cameras.

To... ahem... keep an eye on the elected representatives of the people, of course. :D

:eek: Caught!

:eek: Caught!

Well you should keep your private erm..... deals somewhere private like the broom closet. ;)

:eek: *Faints- but not before asking if that is a promise* ;-)
:D Up to your old tricks again, I see? XD It is indeed a- Hey, who's that guy?
If this is what's going to be going on in Parliament, we really should install cameras.

To... ahem... keep an eye on the elected representatives of the people, of course. :D
:mad: You're interrupting serious parliamentary business! Scram! ... uh, but leave the cameras? ;-)

Well you should keep your private erm..... deals somewhere private like the broom closet. ;)

;) *Already walking in that general direction*

:D Up to your old tricks again, I see? XD It is indeed a- Hey, who's that guy?

:eek: Tricks? Which guy?

:mad: You're interrupting serious parliamentary business! Scram! ... uh, but leave the cameras? ;-)

:fluffle: Serious business, eh? :P

;) *Already walking in that general direction*

Can I come? ;-):eek:

;) *Already walking in that general direction*
;) *Follows*
:eek: Tricks? Which guy?
:eek: Weeell... The fainting *nods*
And that Ariddia guy *Points*

:fluffle: Serious business, eh? :P
:cool: Very serious indeed!

Can I come? ;-):eek:
:fluffle: *Humps*

Can I come? ;-):eek:

:rolleyes:Why go to the broom closet when everyone wants in? :P

;) *Follows*

:eek: Weeell... The fainting *nods*
And that Ariddia guy *Points*

:cool: Very serious indeed!


:fluffle: *Humps*

:rolleyes:Why go to the broom closet when everyone wants in? :P

:D Fine we'll stay here in the.....mass debating hall!

:D Fine we'll stay here in the.....mass debating hall!

:p D'oh!

More seriously... ;) I've TGed the founders of the FESP and the RCP. If I don't hear from them in about 48 hours, we'll just have to start Parliament with 21 MPs.

scoooooore. this parliament stuff sounds like rather a lot of fun
im glad im in

scoooooore. this parliament stuff sounds like rather a lot of fun
im glad im inDon't get your hopes up, the other Parliaments didn't have nearly this much sexual innuendo. :)

Don't get your hopes up, the other Parliaments didn't have nearly this much sexual innuendo. :)

Yeah, well, the other parliaments didn't have me. :eek: ;) :p

Yeah, well, the other parliaments didn't have me. :eek: ;) :pTrue. "A vote for the CYPSWP is a vote for sex!" Oops, there's your next campaign slogan. :eek:

True. "A vote for the CYPSWP is a vote for sex!" Oops, there's your next campaign slogan. :eek:

Yeah, and with something like that, how will any other party get seats? :rolleyes: :p

Yeah, and with something like that, how will any other party get seats? :rolleyes: :pI guess they'll have to appeal to asexuals.

So, this thread looked all businessy. So I avoided it. And then it was one Page 1 again today, and I realized that I had been elected as an MP (insane, i know), and thought perhaps maybe i should check it out, see what is going on.

All I have to say is Holy Freakin' Cow. I only read the last page or two of this thread. And jeez. I can only imagine what i missed in the first 10 pages or so! Who knew parliaments were so scandalous?!

So, uh....is humping against parliamentary procedure? Forgive my ignorance...I know a lot more about the US Congress than I do about parliaments.

So, this thread looked all businessy. So I avoided it. And then it was one Page 1 again today, and I realized that I had been elected as an MP (insane, i know), and thought perhaps maybe i should check it out, see what is going on.

All I have to say is Holy Freakin' Cow. I only read the last page or two of this thread. And jeez. I can only imagine what i missed in the first 10 pages or so! Who knew parliaments were so scandalous?!

So, uh....is humping against parliamentary procedure? Forgive my ignorance...I know a lot more about the US Congress than I do about parliaments.

*Rofl* You've been missing out, my dear!

I haven't noticed any standard protocols being held here, I think it's a free for all :p

So yeah, if you wanna hump, no one has tried to stop it yet :p

*Humps WC*

*humps TBD*

So that we can win, and then not vote on anything again? :p

Exactly. We'll be perma-rulers.

Obligatory white writing sexual innuendo;)

Exactly. We'll be perma-rulers.

Obligatory white writing sexual innuendo;)

Arr I vote against this here propsed dictatorship.

Arr I vote against this here propsed dictatorship.

You can't vote against anything yet, we still haven't started.

You can't vote against anything yet, we still haven't started.

Arr like thas ever stopped a pirate before! *drinks rum*

Exactly. We'll be perma-rulers.

Obligatory white writing sexual innuendo;)

So we can just do whatever we like? Without a vote? :D

Seems everyones picked up on this innuendo quite quickly! :eek:

So we can just do whatever we like? Without a vote? :D

Seems everyones picked up on this innuendo quite quickly! :eek:

Well we could vote within the party, if we felt like it.

Yeah, having smilies randomly kinda gave it away.

Well we could vote within the party, if we felt like it.

Yeah, having smilies randomly kinda gave it away.

Blame Ariddia. I thought you were just having a weird smiley conversation until he gave it away. :p

Don't get your hopes up, the other Parliaments didn't have nearly this much sexual innuendo. :)

then we're off to an excellent start!

So we can just do whatever we like? Without a vote? :D

Seems everyones picked up on this innuendo quite quickly! :eek:

this is the best parliament i've ever seen in my entire life *faints*

erm....sexsexsexsexsex! do i win?

then we're off to an excellent start!



this is the best parliament EVAR *faints*

erm....sexsexsexsexsex! do i win?

Fixed.

Yes. A winnar is j00

this is the best pARRRRRRRliament i've evARRRRRRRRR seen in my entire life *faints*


re-fixed. party line, you see

winARRRRRRRRRR, indeed.

Well we could vote within the party, if we felt like it.

Yeah, having smilies randomly kinda gave it away.

I thought we were supposed to agree with each other on votes?

Blame Ariddia. I thought you were just having a weird smiley conversation until he gave it away. :p

*Blames Ariddia* :p

then we're off to an excellent start!



this is the best parliament i've ever seen in my entire life *faints*

erm....sexsexsexsexsex! do i win?

Lol! And we haven't even started deabting yet! :eek:

I must say, I think this will be rather fun :)

Well, I think we've waited long enough. I'm starting a Parliament thread. You'll just have to start with 21 MPs, and decide whether you want to do anything about it. It's in your hands, o esteemed representatives of the people. ;)

[Edit:] Parliament is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11838973#post11838973).

Bumboat is the 2nd MP. Sorry for the delay. Had no Internet access.

Bumboat is the 2nd MP. Sorry for the delay. Had no Internet access.

Added. Welcome to Parliament.