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It seems the problem is that the government took Jesus out of the schools. That damn constitution is getting students shot. I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine. If he had lived he might have grown up to be as big of a traitor to the USA as his father.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301491.html

Pure genius... but if you were a 'proper' Christian, wouldn't you just accept that it was all "part of the plan"?

Oh, and DCD - actually wishing death on people is rather... callous, no?

IIf he had lived he might have grown up to be as big of a traitor to the USA as his father.

...That is really harsh...

While I dont particularly agree with this guy, I have to admit that there is something very diffferent (And not "better") in the way that children are taught today, probably a myriad of reasons- but I've been watching for symptoms of what has produced this greater problem.

Personally I think we need to reinstate spanking in our schools. Also we need to make it so that schools don't get fundings base on how many students they have, but rather based on performance. Schools in Charlotte/Meck are in bad shape for several reasons, but one of them is because Charlotte/Meck has not refused to turn away students. Not even if the student hijacked one, two, three cars, exposed himself on a Bus, and done some lovely things to a female student and brought a Semi-automatic rifle on school grounds. This guy is probably going to serve time, but if he gets out before he turns 18, Charlotte/Meck will probably let him back in. Why, because the way schools are funded is by how many students they have, and Charlotte/Meck doesn't want to lose any of that sweet sweet money, even at the cost of the people's safety.

Pure genius... but if you were a 'proper' Christian, wouldn't you just accept that it was all "part of the plan"?

Oh, and DCD - actually wishing death on people is rather... callous, no?

I find it rather charming. I thought other people did too.

Personally I think we need to reinstate spanking in our schools.
That just makes children resentful towards adults. In an armed population, that's not too good.
Also we need to make it so that schools don't get fundings base on how many students they have, but rather based on performance.
That just makes crap schools get even worse...

Bonuses for really good schools, for sure, but I wouldn't cut funding to underperforming schools, lest they not be able to hire any teachers at all - and then you just get overcrowding.

Personally I think we need to reinstate spanking in our schools. Also we need to make it so that schools don't get fundings base on how many students they have, but rather based on performance. Schools in Charlotte/Meck are in bad shape for several reasons, but one of them is because Charlotte/Meck has not refused to turn away students. Not even if the student hijacked one, two, three cars, exposed himself on a Bus, and done some lovely things to a female student and brought a Semi-automatic rifle on school grounds. This guy is probably going to serve time, but if he gets out before he turns 18, Charlotte/Meck will probably let him back in. Why, because the way schools are funded is by how many students they have, and Charlotte/Meck doesn't want to lose any of that sweet sweet money, even at the cost of the people's safety.
The only one that lays a hand on my kid is me ... I dont trust a stranger with that responsility and the first stranger that does gets beat deservedly.

The only one that lays a hand on my kid is me ... I dont trust a stranger with that responsility and the first stranger that does gets beat deservedly.

Well, they won't be laying their hand on your child per-se, just a wooden paddle...

But you have to admit, when a repeat offender can just come back to school, because he "deserves" an education, something is not right. By all reason and logic, this repeat offender should've been kicked out of the public school system after the second car jacking!

Personally I think we need to reinstate spanking in our schools.

Agreed. I think in today's political and moral climate we need more older men and women bending young teenage girls and boys over their knees. Wilgrove, you're wanted in Principal Foley's office!

Well, they won't be laying their hand on your child per-se, just a wooden paddle...

But you have to admit, when a repeat offender can just come back to school, because he "deserves" an education, something is not right. By all reason and logic, this repeat offender should've been kicked out of the public school system after the second car jacking!

If the kid is up to car jacking wtf do you think a little paddling is going to do for him? sure as hell not going to correct his behavior at that point

Now I am not saying that there should not be consequences for their actions but one of them is not paddling my kid. SPECIALY not in the public sector.

If I am forced to send my kid to school (and as of now homeschooling would not be an option if I had a kid) then I am going to get a say in if he is beat
And the answer is NO

Agreed. I think in today's political and moral climate we need more older men and women bending young teenage girls and boys over their knees. Wilgrove, you're wanted in Principal Foley's office!

I doubt the teachers would actually get a sexual rise out of spanking children. Of course there are those .1%. I tell ya back when I was in Elementry School, if I did something wrong, I got my hand popped (this was late 80's early 90's.) and I didn't see a problem with it then, and I don't see it now. You can't always reach the kids with time outs, or suspension (let's be honest, suspension is a JOKE! It's basically giving kids vacation time!) so sometimes you have to use other methods of reaching the kids.

Personally I think we need to reinstate spanking in our schools.

Obviously you don't feel there is enough violence in American schools already.

I doubt the teachers would actually get a sexual rise out of spanking children. Of course there are those .1%. I tell ya back when I was in Elementry School, if I did something wrong, I got my hand popped (this was late 80's early 90's.) and I didn't see a problem with it then, and I don't see it now. You can't always reach the kids with time outs, or suspension (let's be honest, suspension is a JOKE! It's basically giving kids vacation time!) so sometimes you have to use other methods of reaching the kids.

I was actually kidding with my first post - although you know eventually something like that WOULD happen.

Here's my real problem with the spanking issue. None of the research I have read on spanking versus other techniques such as rationalization has ever concluded that spanking is a good way to punish children. Often one of the lessons learned implicitly by the children is that aggression is an acceptable way of dealing with one's problems. There are FAR more effective ways of dealing with children (and especially teenagers) than physical punishment, so as far as I'm concerned we should just let this spanking thing go...

It seems the problem is that the government took Jesus out of the schools. That damn constitution is getting students shot. I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine. If he had lived he might have grown up to be as big of a traitor to the USA as his father.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301491.html

I think you broke my irony and sarcasim meter. I won't be able to detect those in any more posts today.

I was actually kidding with my first post - although you know eventually something like that WOULD happen.

Here's my real problem with the spanking issue. None of the research I have read on spanking versus other techniques such as rationalization has ever concluded that spanking is a good way to punish children. Often one of the lessons learned implicitly by the children is that aggression is an acceptable way of dealing with one's problems. There are FAR more effective ways to dealing with children than physical punishment, so as far as I'm concerned we should just let this spanking thing go...

Now, beside Time out and Suspension (which is still a joke) what are these effective ways?

"This country is in a moral free fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value. We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong. And I assure you the murder of innocent children is always wrong, including by abortion. Abortion has diminished the value of children."

That's right. It's the school's fault. It's the government's fault. They turn our kids into godless heathens.

What the fuck had HE been doing for the fifteen years of life his son had? Sleeping? Why is it always somebody else's fault?

"Parents apparently play no part in the development and outcome of these kids." -George Carlin.

It took so long to remember just what happened.
I was so young and vestal then,
you know it hurt me,
but I'm breathing so I guess I'm still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise.
I've got my hands bound,
my head down, my eyes closed,
and my throat wide open.

Do unto others what has been done to you

I'm treading water,
I need to sleep a while.
My lamb and martyr, you look so precious.
Won't you come a bit closer,
close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this,
I can't stand to burn too long.
Released in this sodomy.
For one sweet moment I am whole.

Do unto you now what has been done to me.

You're breathing so I guess you're still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise.
Won't you come just a bit closer,
close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this.
I need this to make me whole.
There's release in this sodomy.
For I am your witness that
blood and flesh can be trusted.
And only this one holy medium brings me piece of mind.

Got your hands bound, your head down,
your eyes closed.
You look so precious now.

(Show me something
Thought I could make it end
Thought I could wash the stains away
Thought I could break the circle if I
Slipped right into your skin
So sweet was your surrender
We have become one
I have become my terror
And you my precious lamb and martyr.)


I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this
shit blood and cum on my hands.

I've come round full circle.
My lamb and martyr, this will be over soon.
You look so precious.

It took so long to remember just what happened.
I was so young and vestal then,
you know it hurt me,
but I'm breathing so I guess I'm still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise.
I've got my hands bound,
my head down, my eyes closed,
and my throat wide open.

Do unto others what has been done to you

I'm treading water,
I need to sleep a while.
My lamb and martyr, you look so precious.
Won't you come a bit closer,
close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this,
I can't stand to burn too long.
Released in this sodomy.
For one sweet moment I am whole.

Do unto you now what has been done to me.

You're breathing so I guess you're still alive
even if signs seem to tell me otherwise.
Won't you come just a bit closer,
close enough so I can smell you.
I need you to feel this.
I need this to make me whole.
There's release in this sodomy.
For I am your witness that
blood and flesh can be trusted.
And only this one holy medium brings me piece of mind.

Got your hands bound, your head down,
your eyes closed.
You look so precious now.

(Show me something
Thought I could make it end
Thought I could wash the stains away
Thought I could break the circle if I
Slipped right into your skin
So sweet was your surrender
We have become one
I have become my terror
And you my precious lamb and martyr.)


I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this
shit blood and cum on my hands.

I've come round full circle.
My lamb and martyr, this will be over soon.
You look so precious.

There's a tool song for every tragedy.

Now, beside Time out and Suspension (which is still a joke) what are these effective ways?

Depends on what you're talking about. The original post had to do with school violence, which is a serious problem that can't be effectively dealt with through the use of time-outs, and sure as hell can't be dealt with by being violent with the kids themselves ("Jimmy! Don't hit! *whack* "Ouch, you hit me Mr. Smith!" "That'll teach you to hit!"). Repeat violence would probably require something more along the lines of counseling.

So is that what we're talking about? Or are we just talking about young kids (Elementary school) acting out in the classroom? Because that can often be dealt with through the use of rationalization, positively reinforcing alternative (good) behaviors, and simply being warm and accepting overall (children don't tend to respond well to punishment from someone who is otherwise aloof and has never shown them approval).

There's a tool song for every tragedy.

Would you prefer I get the lyrics for Jeremy, instead? =P

I felt the song was somewhat relevant.

Would you prefer I get the lyrics for Jeremy, instead? =P

I felt the song was somewhat relevant.

I prefer Message to Harry Manback



Figlio di puttana, sai che tu sei un pezzo di merda? (1)

Hm? you think youre cool, right? hm? hm?
When you kicked out people [out of] your house

I tell you this, one of three americans die of cancer,
You know? asshole. youre gonna be one of those.

I [didnt too / dont have the] courage
To kick your ass directly.
Dont have enough courage for that,
I could, you know.

You know youre gonna have another accident?
You know Im involved with black magic?
Fuck you. die. bastard.
You think youre so cool, hm? asshole.

And if I ever see your fucking face around,
In europe or italy,
Well Ill -- that time Im gonna kick your ass.
Fuck you. fucking americans, yankee.
Youre gonna die outta cancer, I promise.

[bang bang / deep pain]

No one does what you did to me.
You wanna know something? fuck you.
I want your balls smashed, eat shit. bastard.

Pezzo di merda, figlio di puttana. (2)
I hope somebody in your family dies soon.

Crepa, pezzo di merda, e vai
A sucare cazzi su un aereo! (3)

I doubt the teachers would actually get a sexual rise out of spanking children. Of course there are those .1%. I tell ya back when I was in Elementry School, if I did something wrong, I got my hand popped (this was late 80's early 90's.) and I didn't see a problem with it then, and I don't see it now. You can't always reach the kids with time outs, or suspension (let's be honest, suspension is a JOKE! It's basically giving kids vacation time!) so sometimes you have to use other methods of reaching the kids.

I also went to a catholic elementary school during that time and got hit with a ruler too ... Once or twice that were absolutly not deserved.

I saw no benifit whatsoever

And I would be even more mad then my dad was the time she hit me for telling the truth

Like I said I get to decide when to corporaly punish my kid not some stranger.

I prefer Message to Harry Manback

That's a real message, too. Random Italian(?) guy met Maynard at a party and got pissed off at him because he got him thrown out or something.

Course, they added the birds and piano for effect. =)

EDIT: Also, I sigged you. Resistance is futile.

It seems the problem is that the government took Jesus out of the schools. That damn constitution is getting students shot. I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine. If he had lived he might have grown up to be as big of a traitor to the USA as his father.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301491.html
you know DCD... considering the segment is "FREE SPEECH" and CBS decided to Air what he said, is celebration of the Constitution.

I hope you really don't feel the way you do (what I bolded.)

you know DCD... considering the segment is "FREE SPEECH" and CBS decided to Air what he said, is celebration of the Constitution.

I hope you really don't feel the way you do (what I bolded.)

I'm not violating his free speech, just exercising my own. I kind of do mean it and I kind of don't. I know gloating over someone's death isn't a good thing, but I get really angry sometimes.

you know DCD... considering the segment is "FREE SPEECH" and CBS decided to Air what he said, is celebration of the Constitution.

I hope you really don't feel the way you do (what I bolded.)

Just because someone has the right to say something does not mean I can not find it dispicable that they chose to

... (dont get me wrong I dont wish his son dead) but it is also celebrating the constitution that DCD can say that he disagrees (even in a not so nice way of saying)

I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine.


That is probably the most insensitive thing I have heard in years.

Didn't this school shooting happen in the most god-y school that can possibly be? I mean, you really don't get much more religious around the states than the Amish...just sayin'...

That is probably the most insensitive thing I have heard in years.

Even moreso than "God killed those amish girls because they were sinners", to paraphrase?

Even moreso than "God killed those amish girls because they were sinners", to paraphrase?

I don't remember anyone saying that.

I don't remember anyone saying that.

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/04/human-smegma-fred-phelps-to-protest-amish-girls-funerals/

What we need to do to stop these school shootings is crack down on bullying. Granted, that won't help what happened to the Amish, and it wouldn't have prevented that weird fucker in Colorado, but the wave of school shootings in the mold of Columbine was because they were victims of bullying and nothing was done about it. Administrators pretend to be on the side of the victims, but too often they are prepetrators themselves.

Blaming abortion and secularism for Columbine is as insane as blaming it for 9/11, but there are people dumb enough to do both.

Also, for kids who bully, in-school suspension needs to be enforced. Anyone caught picking on people any more severely than just good-natured fun should be warned once for minor offenses, and then for more serious offenses that don't cross the line into severe damage or criminal activity, they need to break out in-school suspension. And by that, I mean solitary confinement under strict administrative watch. Try anything and you get more time; any time your sentence exceeds 15 days, you're expelled. Anytime you're expelled, you're up for juvie. And no favorites-playing; the star quarterback can land in juvie, and eventually man-prison, just as easily as the meek little freshman. Any administrator who can be proven not to enforce bullying rules or to be playing favorites is out of a job on the first offense and banned from working in a school for four years. They do it again, and I mean EVER again, they go to jail and never work in a school again.

Maybe the plan I just rattled off isn't perfect, but it's better than the shit-fest we have in most schools.

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/04/human-smegma-fred-phelps-to-protest-amish-girls-funerals/

Fair enough, but did anyone with a functioning brain ever say that?

Didn't this school shooting happen in the most god-y school that can possibly be? I mean, you really don't get much more religious around the states than the Amish...just sayin'...

Has anyone realized that the Amish school shooting happened in an Amish town? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Amish just a little bit religous?
So, erm... even if it was scaled back religion (for the Amish), then there was still most definately a religious presence in the school.

I don't value that guy's opinion at all.

What I was gonna say :rolleyes:

I completely agree with you CTN.

What we need to do to stop these school shootings is crack down on bullying. Granted, that won't help what happened to the Amish, and it wouldn't have prevented that weird fucker in Colorado, but the wave of school shootings in the mold of Columbine was because they were victims of bullying and nothing was done about it. Administrators pretend to be on the side of the victims, but too often they are prepetrators themselves.

Blaming abortion and secularism for Columbine is as insane as blaming it for 9/11, but there are people dumb enough to do both.

Also, for kids who bully, in-school suspension needs to be enforced. Anyone caught picking on people any more severely than just good-natured fun should be warned once for minor offenses, and then for more serious offenses that don't cross the line into severe damage or criminal activity, they need to break out in-school suspension. And by that, I mean solitary confinement under strict administrative watch. Try anything and you get more time; any time your sentence exceeds 15 days, you're expelled. Anytime you're expelled, you're up for juvie. And no favorites-playing; the star quarterback can land in juvie, and eventually man-prison, just as easily as the meek little freshman. Any administrator who can be proven not to enforce bullying rules or to be playing favorites is out of a job on the first offense and banned from working in a school for four years. They do it again, and I mean EVER again, they go to jail and never work in a school again.

Maybe the plan I just rattled off isn't perfect, but it's better than the shit-fest we have in most schools.

I disagree. I go to ISS all the time (Its officially been changed to In School Support in most schools). I prefer it; I can get my work done quickly without the teacher handing out BS instructions and then read the rest of the day.

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/04/human-smegma-fred-phelps-to-protest-amish-girls-funerals/

Ok I guess you beat me there.

What we need to do to stop these school shootings is crack down on bullying. Granted, that won't help what happened to the Amish, and it wouldn't have prevented that weird fucker in Colorado, but the wave of school shootings in the mold of Columbine was because they were victims of bullying and nothing was done about it. Administrators pretend to be on the side of the victims, but too often they are prepetrators themselves.

Blaming abortion and secularism for Columbine is as insane as blaming it for 9/11, but there are people dumb enough to do both.

Also, for kids who bully, in-school suspension needs to be enforced. Anyone caught picking on people any more severely than just good-natured fun should be warned once for minor offenses, and then for more serious offenses that don't cross the line into severe damage or criminal activity, they need to break out in-school suspension. And by that, I mean solitary confinement under strict administrative watch. Try anything and you get more time; any time your sentence exceeds 15 days, you're expelled. Anytime you're expelled, you're up for juvie. And no favorites-playing; the star quarterback can land in juvie, and eventually man-prison, just as easily as the meek little freshman. Any administrator who can be proven not to enforce bullying rules or to be playing favorites is out of a job on the first offense and banned from working in a school for four years. They do it again, and I mean EVER again, they go to jail and never work in a school again.

Maybe the plan I just rattled off isn't perfect, but it's better than the shit-fest we have in most schools.

Meh. The society created in High Schools are pure human instinct and basic action. It'd be hard to change anything that happens in a scenario like that because of how long it's been going on and how ingrained it's been into our society. It is quite literally like a jungle.

Also, some kids might just misunderstand. If they've got social disorders such as Aspergers, they could be offended by the slightest thing, which would ironically enough most likely incite more possibility for harassment.

There's too much shit and specifics to dodge around if you were to even begin trying to make the situation better.

*thought the title said "mormon"*

Ok I guess you beat me there.

Yeah, you should never underestimate the awesomely massive organ of Phelps - it's sort of roundish and resides in his throat, causing him to spit complete bullshit on a constant basis.

Personally I think we need to reinstate spanking in our schools. I would rather reintroduce the "dunce" cap

If the kid is up to car jacking wtf do you think a little paddling is going to do for him? sure as hell not going to correct his behavior at that point

Now I am not saying that there should not be consequences for their actions but one of them is not paddling my kid. SPECIALY not in the public sector.

If I am forced to send my kid to school (and as of now homeschooling would not be an option if I had a kid) then I am going to get a say in if he is beat
And the answer is NOagreed. it's the parent's responsibility to dicipline their child. phycial punnishment should only be reserved for PE. :p

seriously tho. if by the time they're car jacking... the teachers really cannot do anything to instill dicipline.

I'm not violating his free speech, just exercising my own. I kind of do mean it and I kind of don't. I know gloating over someone's death isn't a good thing, but I get really angry sometimes.and I never said it was wrong for you to do so. but it did seem rather callous on your remarks about his son.

Just because someone has the right to say something does not mean I can not find it dispicable that they chose to

... (dont get me wrong I dont wish his son dead) but it is also celebrating the constitution that DCD can say that he disagrees (even in a not so nice way of saying)I never said you couldn't. but to say that "I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine." just seemed rather callous.

<snip>

and I never said it was wrong for you to do so. but it did seem rather callous on your remarks about his son.

I never said you couldn't. but to say that "I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine." just seemed rather callous.

I never claimed to be a nice or good person. I don't know why, but it seems some people on NS are under the impression that I'm nice. I'm actually quite an asshole.

What we need to do to stop these school shootings is crack down on bullying. Granted, that won't help what happened to the Amish, and it wouldn't have prevented that weird fucker in Colorado, but the wave of school shootings in the mold of Columbine was because they were victims of bullying and nothing was done about it. Administrators pretend to be on the side of the victims, but too often they are prepetrators themselves.

Blaming abortion and secularism for Columbine is as insane as blaming it for 9/11, but there are people dumb enough to do both.

Also, for kids who bully, in-school suspension needs to be enforced. Anyone caught picking on people any more severely than just good-natured fun should be warned once for minor offenses, and then for more serious offenses that don't cross the line into severe damage or criminal activity, they need to break out in-school suspension. And by that, I mean solitary confinement under strict administrative watch. Try anything and you get more time; any time your sentence exceeds 15 days, you're expelled. Anytime you're expelled, you're up for juvie. And no favorites-playing; the star quarterback can land in juvie, and eventually man-prison, just as easily as the meek little freshman. Any administrator who can be proven not to enforce bullying rules or to be playing favorites is out of a job on the first offense and banned from working in a school for four years. They do it again, and I mean EVER again, they go to jail and never work in a school again.

Maybe the plan I just rattled off isn't perfect, but it's better than the shit-fest we have in most schools.
I don't know much about American schools, but from what I've heard many now have a completely ridiculous zero tolerance policy on bullying, severely punishing students for minor misdemeanors?

I never claimed to be a nice or good person. I don't know why, but it seems some people on NS are under the impression that I'm nice. I'm actually quite an asshole.

The first read-through I saw that as "I actually have quite an asshole." - Freud would have a field day with me.

But yes, we fucking <3 you regardless of what you say. Bitch.

Meh. The society created in High Schools are pure human instinct and basic action. It'd be hard to change anything that happens in a scenario like that because of how long it's been going on and how ingrained it's been into our society. It is quite literally like a jungle.

Also, some kids might just misunderstand. If they've got social disorders such as Aspergers, they could be offended by the slightest thing, which would ironically enough most likely incite more possibility for harassment.

There's too much shit and specifics to dodge around if you were to even begin trying to make the situation better.

I don't know that we can make things much worse...and frankly, if kids are diagnosed with Asperger's or something (anything, really...that's something that could be used as well is psychological testing) then such a person can be watched and dealt with appropriately. I refer to the general population, and i don't refer to turning it into anything it's not. There's good-natured ribbing, and on the other end of that, there's bullying. Common sense dictates that someone calling his best friend a "wanker" or whatever is crude but not malicious. It's far different from a bunch of seniors crowding around one helpless freshman, shouting every nasty name in the book at him, and pounding him senseless, and then proceeding to get away with it. That's what I refer to in terms of getting out of the schools.

I disagree. I go to ISS all the time (Its officially been changed to In School Support in most schools). I prefer it; I can get my work done quickly without the teacher handing out BS instructions and then read the rest of the day.

And therein lies another problem. If ISS is a reward, then bullying will continue. I refer to locking students in a room with nothing but a wooden chair and a couple of cameras to watch their every move, not allowing them to do schoolwork or anything else, and just making them sit there and think. They would be able to eat lunch under strict supervision but would not be allowed to speak to anyone else. Then, after lunch, it's back into the room until school lets out. Basically, all they are able to do is think, and they will have a lot of time to ponder what they did.

It's that or put them to work somewhere, and there might be a law against that.

I don't know much about American schools, but from what I've heard many now have a completely ridiculous zero tolerance policy on bullying, severely punishing students for minor misdemeanors?

Policy is one thing. Action is another. Many administrators fail to enforce their own rules, and that's why those people must be held accountable.

Spanking just seems so....right. The kid doesn't really see it as "I got spanked, so violence is okay. They see it as "Holy crap! My ass feels like it is on fire! Holy shit! If I do it yet again, I'll get yet another ass whooping."

Keep in mind that not everyone follows the "I got spanked, so violence is okay" logic train as much as the "Holy crap! That really stung like a bitch. Must avoid ass pain." logic train. Yes, I was spanked before. Hand. Belt. Vacuum cord. I had all those. However, I don't hit people. I don't act aggressively or violently.

Of course, nowadays, you could get sued for anyone for just about anything and likely lose. So try not to spank too much or else you could get sued by someone(not always the spanked) for "emotional trauma". You could get sued for e.t. for anything, but still.

Spanking just seems so....right. The kid doesn't really see it as "I got spanked, so violence is okay. They see it as "Holy crap! My ass feels like it is on fire! Holy shit! If I do it yet again, I'll get yet another ass whooping."

Keep in mind that not everyone follows the "I got spanked, so violence is okay" logic train as much as the "Holy crap! That really stung like a bitch. Must avoid ass pain." logic train. Yes, I was spanked before. Hand. Belt. Vacuum cord. I had all those. However, I don't hit people. I don't act aggressively or violently.

Of course, nowadays, you could get sued for anyone for just about anything and likely lose. So try not to spank too much or else you could get sued by someone(not always the spanked) for "emotional trauma". You could get sued for e.t. for anything, but still.

I agree that spanking can be a usefull tool to parents when there is something their kid has to learn NOW (such as not to run across the street and almost get themselfs killed)

Note: For the record what the "child sees" is not nessisarly what effects them for the rest of their life

I got molested and it causes hyper sexuality
when I was molested I did not see it as "Woah I just got touched so I should watch as much porn as possible" either
That does not mean that it did not have that much effect on my life

But it is a tool for PARENTS not for some random teacher that happens to be put in charge of my child cause he has to take a certian social studies.

Like I said NO one but ME (and my potential wife) has the right to lay a hand on my kid ... period. It is MY judgement that I trust when to apply that last option.

I never claimed to be a nice or good person. I don't know why, but it seems some people on NS are under the impression that I'm nice. I'm actually quite an asshole.

well.. as long as you're honest about it... :p

Spanking just seems so....right. The kid doesn't really see it as "I got spanked, so violence is okay. They see it as "Holy crap! My ass feels like it is on fire! Holy shit! If I do it yet again, I'll get yet another ass whooping."

Keep in mind that not everyone follows the "I got spanked, so violence is okay" logic train as much as the "Holy crap! That really stung like a bitch. Must avoid ass pain." logic train. Yes, I was spanked before. Hand. Belt. Vacuum cord. I had all those. However, I don't hit people. I don't act aggressively or violently.

Of course, nowadays, you could get sued for anyone for just about anything and likely lose. So try not to spank too much or else you could get sued by someone(not always the spanked) for "emotional trauma". You could get sued for e.t. for anything, but still.
Also a note it is not what the child connects logicaly in his active mind that matters

I got molested as a kid
That caused hypersexuality and sexual addiction in me

When I was being molested I did not think "Woah he just touched me so I should watch as much porn as possible" either ... that does not mean that it is not what happened

I killed the thread!

Now, beside Time out and Suspension (which is still a joke) what are these effective ways?

L-A-B-O-R. :eek:

At the high school I attended, the students who get saturday school (1 below suspension) now have to help with landscaping.

Also a note it is not what the child connects logicaly in his active mind that matters

I got molested as a kid
That caused hypersexuality and sexual addiction in me

When I was being molested I did not think "Woah he just touched me so I should watch as much porn as possible" either ... that does not mean that it is not what happened

But do you feel an overwhelming need to run for congress and seduce young teens? ;)

Really very simple---because it a country it which the right to bear arms is fundamental, there will always be nutters who can acquire guns and use them in the manner for which they are intended--to kill. Wake up America!!

Really very simple---because in a country it which the right to bear arms is fundamental, there will always be nutters who can acquire guns and use them in the manner for which they are intended--to kill. Wake up America!!

Really very simple---because it a country it which the right to bear arms is fundamental, there will always be nutters who can acquire guns and use them in the manner for which they are intended--to kill. Wake up America!!

You're being quite arrogant in thinking that we're oblivious to the trade-off involved in having legal guns. Don't you think we know that having legal guns means some will be used in crime? We accept the risk in order to have the freedom to own guns. Every nation's laws and every culture makes trade-offs like this. It's our decision, and we'll live with the benefits and the consequences.

It seems the problem is that the government took Jesus out of the schools. That damn constitution is getting students shot. I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine. If he had lived he might have grown up to be as big of a traitor to the USA as his father.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301491.html

Scumbag or not, his son did nothing to deserve being shot. Personally, I think rejoicing in someone's death (unless they're a mass murderer, dictator, etc.) is going too far, but that's just me.

I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine.
This comment totally obliterates any moral high ground that you pretend to claim.

This thread and your hate filled comment = zero credibility.

Feel better now?

I killed the thread!
Please bury it. :D

Really very simple---because it a country it which the right to bear arms is fundamental, there will always be nutters who can acquire guns and use them in the manner for which they are intended--to kill. Wake up America!!

This is simple stuff people. Gaww! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=MgZOAMS7Hac)

This is simple stuff people. Gaww! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=MgZOAMS7Hac)
I wish people would stop linking to YouTube. I end up spending more time over there looking at all the videos when I should be here bugging the crap out of NSers. :p

I wish people would stop linking to YouTube. I end up spending more time over there looking at all the videos when I should be here bugging the crap out of NSers. :p

But some of those Videos are soooooo interesting.... :D

But some of those Videos are soooooo interesting.... :D
I call them addictive!! :eek:

I call them addictive!! :eek:

well, I didn't say they wern't. ;)

*replays Algorithim March... WITH NINJAS!* :p

Spanking just seems so....right. The kid doesn't really see it as "I got spanked, so violence is okay. They see it as "Holy crap! My ass feels like it is on fire! Holy shit! If I do it yet again, I'll get yet another ass whooping."

What I thought was one of these days I'm going to hit that bastard back. I guess unlike you I had a spine.

what a moron.

This comment totally obliterates any moral high ground that you pretend to claim.

This thread and your hate filled comment = zero credibility.

Feel better now?

Moral high ground? Who gives a crap about that?

Spanking just seems so....right. The kid doesn't really see it as "I got spanked, so violence is okay. They see it as "Holy crap! My ass feels like it is on fire! Holy shit! If I do it yet again, I'll get yet another ass whooping."

Keep in mind that not everyone follows the "I got spanked, so violence is okay" logic train as much as the "Holy crap! That really stung like a bitch. Must avoid ass pain." logic train. Yes, I was spanked before. Hand. Belt. Vacuum cord. I had all those. However, I don't hit people. I don't act aggressively or violently.

Of course, nowadays, you could get sued for anyone for just about anything and likely lose. So try not to spank too much or else you could get sued by someone(not always the spanked) for "emotional trauma". You could get sued for e.t. for anything, but still.

You could also get stabbed, stomped, or killed by the kid you decided to corporally punish and his friends in revenge.

It seems the problem is that the government took Jesus out of the schools. That damn constitution is getting students shot. I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine. If he had lived he might have grown up to be as big of a traitor to the USA as his father.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301491.html

My favourite bit comes near the end of the article, in reference to the commentary: "the biggest load of hogwash I have ever witnessed. How could you use an unspeakable tragedy to give a rightwing flat earth nut job a podium?"

*laughs like Jabba*

It seems the problem is that the government took Jesus out of the schools. That damn constitution is getting students shot. I'm glad this scumbag's son was killed at Columbine. If he had lived he might have grown up to be as big of a traitor to the USA as his father.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301491.html

iit seems to me the problem is a reflection of a sick society, how often do you hear of non christian countries having this problem? jesus/christianity has fuck all to do with it. the USA is has a love affair with guns and violence as a solution to every problem personal and national...

That guy's a moron and why they let him comment on school shootings in an amish community is completely beyond me. I mean, I really doubt that god was taken out of the amish school and I really don't see how what that man has to say is relevant in any way.

Newspeople need to stop interviewing that guy. He's clearly a spanner.

Spanking just seems so....right. The kid doesn't really see it as "I got spanked, so violence is okay. They see it as "Holy crap! My ass feels like it is on fire! Holy shit! If I do it yet again, I'll get yet another ass whooping."

Keep in mind that not everyone follows the "I got spanked, so violence is okay" logic train as much as the "Holy crap! That really stung like a bitch. Must avoid ass pain." logic train. Yes, I was spanked before. Hand. Belt. Vacuum cord. I had all those. However, I don't hit people. I don't act aggressively or violently.

Of course, nowadays, you could get sued for anyone for just about anything and likely lose. So try not to spank too much or else you could get sued by someone(not always the spanked) for "emotional trauma". You could get sued for e.t. for anything, but still.

spanking does not work! it's bad parenting. spankings harden children to a point that it will no longer works then what? baseball bats and torture? studies have shown children who are spanked turn out no better than those who are never spanked, it does make them have less empathy for others. so if it does not make them better people, causes them pain and makes them harder why are you doing it?

I stopped spanking 12 years ago, I was bad parent with no idea on how to raise kids, there is always a better way, spanking is the idiots way... My kids have empathy for everyone, and are able to listen to reason without the threat of pain. And I sleep well not having to hurt children, spanking children is sick and cruel behaviour.