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Apparently one of my floorleaders (from last semester) was a open homosexual and was kicked out about a week ago. So for 7 semesters he was openly gay and noone in the adminstration found out about it until his LAST semester (28 months at school), nor did anyone really notice. The funny thing is that I knew the guy very well and never figured that out. He'd talked with me about rooming together next spring 'cause my other roommate is leaving for another college. *Shrugs*. Gotta have prospective roommates fill out an intensive questionaire now.

Have to remember to pray for the guy.

Apparently one of my floorleaders (from last semester) was a open homosexual and was kicked out about a week ago. So for 7 semesters he was openly gay and noone in the adminstration found out about it until his LAST semester (28 months at school), nor did anyone really notice. The funny thing is that I knew the guy very well and never figured that out. He'd talked with me about rooming together next spring 'cause my other roommate is leaving for another college. *Shrugs*. Gotta have prospective roommates fill out an intensive questionaire now.

Have to remember to pray for the guy.

What the hell kind of college kicks someone out for being gay?

At my college, people just ran naked through the campus last night because it was the first night of rain for the year. Like 600 people running around naked.

Apparently one of my floorleaders (from last semester) was a open homosexual and was kicked out about a week ago. So for 7 semesters he was openly gay and noone in the adminstration found out about it until his LAST semester (28 months at school), nor did anyone really notice. The funny thing is that I knew the guy very well and never figured that out. He'd talked with me about rooming together next spring 'cause my other roommate is leaving for another college. *Shrugs*. Gotta have prospective roommates fill out an intensive questionaire now.

Have to remember to pray for the guy.he was kicked out for being GAY?

I find that hard to believe.

where did he go to school.... the Westboro Batshit Accademy?

Me thinks a link should be provided.

The guy was kicked out of a college for being gay? wtf.

Gotta have prospective roommates fill out an intensive questionaire now.You'll have it easier if you just explain to everyone that you're a homophobe. I can guarantee you'll find it deters the people you don't want to bunk with and save everyone a lot of trouble.

I'm going to go with the WTFers on this, they kicked him out for being gay? I go to a Jesuit university and know damn well they would get their ass sued if they tried something like this, not that they would mind you, and since the school being a religous one is the only possible deffense that they be able to pull off that I can think of I don't see how they could get away with this.

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What the hell kind of college kicks someone out for being gay?

At my college, people just ran naked through the campus last night because it was the first night of rain for the year. Like 600 people running around naked.

You know, I disagree with discrimination based on sexual preference. But I do have my moral limits, hundreds of people running around naked at once is passing them...

The guy was kicked out of a college for being gay? wtf.

Yeah. Private college.

he was kicked out for being GAY?

I find that hard to believe.

where did he go to school.... the Westboro Batshit Accademy?

Me thinks a link should be provided.

there are a few, such as Grove City College...which are pretty close to what westboro batshit would be...

You know, I disagree with discrimination based on sexual preference. But I do have my moral limits, hundreds of people running around naked at once is passing them...

what...is seeing someone naked really going to harm you?

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I thought it was Designated Marksmen trolling oceandrive to make him seem like a troll.

You'll have it easier if you just explain to everyone that you're a homophobe. I can guarantee you'll find it deters the people you don't want to bunk with and save everyone a lot of trouble.


To be brutally honest I wouldn't feel comfortable, and nor would they.


Goodthoughts-I'm in Florida, Santa Rosa county.

FYI, the school here has said something before about Fred Phelps, and it wasn't too nice. Had to throw away a shirt becuase of the brimstone smell.

I've got some pictures I took of one of our greek parades I'll post.

what...is seeing someone naked really going to harm you?

So what? anything is ok as long as no one is harmed?

So what? anything is ok as long as no one is harmed?

basically, yes.

what...is seeing someone naked really going to harm you?


Perhaps the person is a religious minded individual and would prefer not because of morals?

Perhaps the person is a religious minded individual and would prefer not because of morals?

perhaps. But really, nudity isn't that big of a deal. We were all born naked...we see a naked person daily (assuming we all shower daily, and get naked to do so...
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basically, yes.

So false imprisonment, teaching kids to smoke crack at the age of 4, showing skat porno to 10 year olds, are all totally fine?

I was expecting a tale of drunken debauchery.:(

So false imprisonment, teaching kids to smoke crack at the age of 4, showing skat porno to 10 year olds, are all totally fine?


Restriction of freedom of movement is a violation of rights, thus a harm.

Child.

Child.

So false imprisonment, teaching kids to smoke crack at the age of 4, showing skat porno to 10 year olds, are all totally fine?

Surely false imprisonment and crack smoking are harmful to people?

perhaps. But really, nudity isn't that big of a deal. We were all born naked...we see a naked person daily (assuming we all shower daily, and get naked to do so...
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>.>)

I'll have you know that some of *us* have the decency to blindfold our selves during such... activites in order to avoid any such *unpleasantness*. {sniff}

there are a few, such as Grove City College...which are pretty close to what westboro batshit would be...

yeah, when he said Private school... then it's a different story.

he was kicked out for being GAY?

I find that hard to believe.

where did he go to school.... the Westboro Batshit Accademy?

Me thinks a link should be provided.

Since when do colleges provide disciplinary information about students on the interweb? That thought is equally as worrisome as kicking out a stydent for being gay, but in a whole other category of "just plain wrong" ness

Surely false imprisonment and crack smoking are harmful to people?

false imprisonment-no

Crack-yes, but the person teaching the kid is not themselves physically harming the kid.

Perhaps the person is a religious minded individual and would prefer not because of morals?

than that person is free to not look.

So false imprisonment, teaching kids to smoke crack at the age of 4, showing skat porno to 10 year olds, are all totally fine?
false imprisonment would damage someones life, would it not?
smoking crack to someone non-consenting would damage their life, would it not?
Showing porn...mreh...sex is sex. Not really a big deal, and I have a hard time believing it would scar them...although, it might teach them a few kinks...

oh, and children, by legal definition, are not adults, and therefore, subject to greater rules. Adults, however, should be allowed to do what they choose.

false imprisonment-no



you define "harm" as only physical harm. This is incorrect. A restriction of my rights is a harm.

false imprisonment-no



I would have thought that false imprisonment would be deeply psychologically harmful. If you are not going to count psychological harm, then there is also the chance the person could be subjected to beatings or anal rape.

Since when do colleges provide disciplinary information about students on the interweb? That thought is equally as worrisome as kicking out a stydent for being gay, but in a whole other category of "just plain wrong" ness

Well, I'm in the RA's prayer group....so...

Surely false imprisonment and crack smoking are harmful to people?

Actually when a person is being held unlawfully he finds that smoking crack is a small blessing which eases his burden somewhat. Allegedly.:D :p :)

you define "harm" as only physical harm. This is incorrect. A restriction of my rights is a harm.

How so?


physical or mental damage

http://www.webster.com/dictionary/harm

Since when do colleges provide disciplinary information about students on the interweb? That thought is equally as worrisome as kicking out a stydent for being gay, but in a whole other category of "just plain wrong" ness

simple. if such a thing did happen... unless they refunded the tuition money (HIGHLY UNLIKELY) then the studen/parents would make a stink about it. and then that would grab the attention of some special intrest groups and that would kick up the media frenzy. so there would be at least 1 article in their paper that would most likely, in this day and age, make it to the internet.

or is a student being kicked out of school for being gay not as newsworthy as a student not allowed to wear a dress to his prom?

How so?




http://www.webster.com/dictionary/harm

that dictionary entry doesn't help you...injury can be beyond just phyiscal. I point you to the Oxford English Dictionary,
To do harm (to); to injure (physically or otherwise); to hurt, damage. Orig. intr. To be hurtful, with dative (like L. nocre), which was sometimes in ME. expressed by to, but generally became a simple object, making the verb trans.
emphasis added

harm, as far as I am going, is anything that infringes on the rights of others.

Perhaps the person is a religious minded individual and would prefer not because of morals?Nah, religious minded people don't seem to care. Prudes do, and some of those use religion as an excuse.

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simple. if such a thing did happen... unless they refunded the tuition money (HIGHLY UNLIKELY) then the studen/parents would make a stink about it. and then that would grab the attention of some special intrest groups and that would kick up the media frenzy. so there would be at least 1 article in their paper that would most likely, in this day and age, make it to the internet.

or is a student being kicked out of school for being gay not as newsworthy as a student not allowed to wear a dress to his prom?


Nope, won't get his money back.

I'll have you know that some of *us* have the decency to blindfold our selves during such... activites in order to avoid any such *unpleasantness*. {sniff}You're being silly. The obvious solution is to wear a pair of swimming trunks whenever you go showering. :D

that dictionary entry doesn't help you...injury can be beyond just phyiscal. I point you to the Oxford English Dictionary,

emphasis added

harm, as far as I am going, is anything that infringes on the rights of others.

Does false imprisonement cause injury, hurt, or damage? nope.

Does robbery cause injury, hurt, or damage? nope.

Does false imprisonement cause hurt or damage? nope.

Does robbery cause hurt or damage? nope.

Does it infringe on the rights of others? As I have stated, THAT is how I am defining harm. False imprisonment AND robbery very clearly do just that.

Does it infringe on the rights of others? As I have stated, THAT is how I am defining harm. False imprisonment AND robbery very clearly do just that.

Infringing on the rights of others does not cause harm. If a gov't agency censored someone, they would be causing no harm whatsoever physical or otherwise. Yet it would be infringing on others rights.

Infringing on the rights of others does not cause harm. If a gov't agency censored someone, they would be causing no harm whatsoever physical or otherwise. Yet it would be infringing on others rights.

You define harm far to limited to be of any use to this discussion. But to amend the statement due to your nitpickiness, people should be free to do what they wish provided it does not infringe on the anyone's rights.

You define harm far to limited to be of any use to this discussion. But to amend the statement due to your nitpickiness, people should be free to do what they wish provided it does not infringe on the anyone's rights.

I define harm as this: causing injury, physical or otherwise. Nothing I have stated causes injury. I am really sick and tired of people saying morality is evil, I am sick and tired of Amorality being forced down my throat. I'm all for freedom, but there has to be a system dividing right from wrong, period.

Infringing on the rights of others does not cause harm. If a gov't agency censored someone, they would be causing no harm whatsoever physical or otherwise. Yet it would be infringing on others rights.AAAAAAnd I would be against that. Seriously, if you want to nitpick, feel free, but you get absolutly nowhere in proving yourself right or proving me wrong. Continue to ignore what I have said several times before, in that I am considering harm to be an infringement of rights. Really. It makes you sound wonderfully rational and proves your reading comprehension skills.

In the meantime, I take Arthais' advice. I amend my original statment to be "I support the right for any adult to do anything that does not infringe upon the rights of others."

And a :fluffle: for Arthais.

AAAAAAnd I would be against that. Seriously, if you want to nitpick, feel free, but you get absolutly nowhere in proving yourself right or proving me wrong. Continue to ignore what I have said several times before, in that I am considering harm to be an infringement of rights. Really. It makes you sound wonderfully rational and proves your reading comprehension skills.

In the meantime, I take Arthais' advice. I amend my original statment to be "I support the right for any adult to do anything that does not infringe upon the rights of others."

And a :fluffle: for Arthais.

So its a fundemental disagreement on what exactly harm is.

Originally Posted by OED
To do harm (to); to injure (physically or otherwise); to hurt, damage. Orig. intr. To be hurtful, with dative (like L. nocre), which was sometimes in ME. expressed by to, but generally became a simple object, making the verb trans.

from your own post, nothing about rights infingement there...

I define harm as this: causing injury, physical or otherwise. Nothing I have stated causes injury. I am really sick and tired of people saying morality is evil, I am sick and tired of Amorality being forced down my throat. I'm all for freedom, but there has to be a system dividing right from wrong, period.

Did I ever once say morality is evil? Did I ever once force amorality or immorality down your throat? If you don't want to be naked, fine. Wear clothes. If you don't want a gay marriage, don't get one. If you don't want to masturbate to pictures of an albino, a dwarf, and a midget, fine. Don't. I really could not care less. However, I am sick of being told I can't do something because someone else decided it is "icky"

Wrong=infringing on the rights of others.
Right=allowing people to live their own lives the way that they choose.

You're being silly. The obvious solution is to wear a pair of swimming trunks whenever you go showering. :D

Ah, of course! Why didn't I think of that?:D

So its a fundemental disagreement on what exactly harm is.

I thought we established that when I clarified how I was defining harm. And then again when I stated my definition a second time. And a third.

Nope, won't get his money back.

is he fighting back? either complete the year or refund his tuition?

To be brutally honest I wouldn't feel comfortable, and nor would they. Why is that? Because you're just so desireable?

I define harm as this: causing injury, physical or otherwise. Nothing I have stated causes injury. I am really sick and tired of people saying morality is evil, I am sick and tired of Amorality being forced down my throat. I'm all for freedom, but there has to be a system dividing right from wrong, period.Why couldn't what is 'wrong' be limited to infringing on the rights of others?

is he fighting back? either complete the year or refund his tuition?

I'd say he'd have no ground to stand on...since it is a private school, they can kick people out for any reason, or no reason, if they so choose.

I'd say he'd have no ground to stand on...since it is a private school, they can kick people out for any reason, or no reason, if they so choose.

one can always make an attempt.

Kamehameha Schools is a private school, but to attend, you must have some Hawaiian blood. Local Parents with an Adoptive Child that has no Hawaiian ancestory was kicked out... but the parents fought and got the child back in.

now, if he's not going to fight the ruling, (or at least to get his tuition money back) then that's his choice.

Did I ever once say morality is evil? Did I ever once force amorality or immorality down your throat? If you don't want to be naked, fine. Wear clothes. If you don't want a gay marriage, don't get one. If you don't want to masturbate to pictures of an albino, a dwarf, and a midget, fine. Don't. I really could not care less. However, I am sick of being told I can't do something because someone else decided it is "icky"

I don't care what you do, I care about what I have to see. I'm fine with people doing whatever gross, disgusting shit they can think up....in their own home.

Wrong=infringing on the rights of others.
Right=allowing people to live their own lives the way that they choose.

correct.

I'd say he'd have no ground to stand on...since it is a private school, they can kick people out for any reason, or no reason, if they so choose.
I don't understand. Aren't all schools bound by anti-discriminatory laws?

I don't care what you do, I care about what I have to see. I'm fine with people doing whatever gross, disgusting shit they can think up....in their own home.


Close your eyes.

You don't have to see anything.

Or I will content that I personally never wish to see your face. Ever. So stay in your own home, because your face offends me.

Close your eyes.

You don't have to see anything.

I'd rather not go blind thankee' much.

one can always make an attempt.

Kamehameha Schools is a private school, but to attend, you must have some Hawaiian blood. Local Parents with an Adoptive Child that has no Hawaiian ancestory was kicked out... but the parents fought and got the child back in.

now, if he's not going to fight the ruling, (or at least to get his tuition money back) then that's his choice.I forget...Kamehameha schools are elementary, right?
Not that it really impacts the discussion...but just curious.
And it is worth the try if you have the money to pay for court fees and such

I don't understand. Aren't all schools bound by anti-discriminatory laws?

Surprisingly, not really. For the same reason that the boy scouts can kick people out for being gay, so can a private institution

I'd rather not go blind thankee' much.

I'd rather not see your face.

Please stay indoors, your presence offends my morality.

why do so many homophobes watch porn?

I forget...Kamehameha schools are elementary, right?
Not that it really impacts the discussion...but just curious.
And it is worth the try if you have the money to pay for court fees and such

Elementary to High School.

and sometimes, it's the principal of the thing. I actually had the floor manager come out to the vending machind in Las Vegas to prove that I put in $5 and not the $1 that the machine said I put in.

I'd rather not see your face.

Please stay indoors, your presence offends my morality.

Then close your eyes.;)

Then close your eyes.;)

Exactly my point. Once you go down the road of "people should censor themselves to not go against my morality" then you run the risk that you yourself will go against someone elses morality.

So if you contend that people doing that which you deem "disgusting" should do so only in their own home, then I contend that I find your presence morally disturbing, and state that you should remain in your home, at all times, so as to not subject me to your offensive presence.

I thought we established that when I clarified how I was defining harm. And then again when I stated my definition a second time. And a third.

If one thinks one is going to be emotionally traumatized by hundreds of people running naked on First Rain, then one really doesn't belong at UC Santa Cruz.

:D

What the hell kind of college kicks someone out for being gay?

A stupid, unfair, and oppressive one.

If one thinks one is going to be emotionally traumatized by hundreds of people running naked on First Rain, then one really doesn't belong at UC Santa Cruz.

:D

Go banana slugs go!

why do so many homophobes watch porn?

Why are you watching them watch porn?

there are a few, such as Grove City College...which are pretty close to what westboro batshit would be...

Hey now... bet you didn't think you would find a real live GCC grad on here, didja? There were rumors my freshman year that two girls were kicked out for being lesbians (they were roommates) but they didn't ever get verified either way that I heard.

We also had a number of streakers - first rain, first snow, halloween, and various other times just for the heck of it. They never got kicked out, either.

I do know a few guys who DID get kicked out, but not for anything like that.

Go banana slugs go!

Yep, and it all starts at Porter residential college. [looks smug, being a proud Porter student].

Hey now... bet you didn't think you would find a real live GCC grad on here, didja? There were rumors my freshman year that two girls were kicked out for being lesbians (they were roommates) but they didn't ever get verified either way that I heard.

We also had a number of streakers - first rain, first snow, halloween, and various other times just for the heck of it. They never got kicked out, either.

I do know a few guys who DID get kicked out, but not for anything like that.


Ah, but did the numbers of streakers swell to well over 600 and then some? And did they have paint handprints all over them?

Hey now... bet you didn't think you would find a real live GCC grad on here, didja? There were rumors my freshman year that two girls were kicked out for being lesbians (they were roommates) but they didn't ever get verified either way that I heard.

We also had a number of streakers - first rain, first snow, halloween, and various other times just for the heck of it. They never got kicked out, either.

I do know a few guys who DID get kicked out, but not for anything like that.

you went to GCC? My best friend just transfered there. He hates it right now, but he's a loser...haha

If one thinks one is going to be emotionally traumatized by hundreds of people running naked on First Rain, then one really doesn't belong at UC Santa Cruz.

:D
haha...May I suggest a naked party? They are great fun. There is only one rule: If you get an erection, you've commit a party foul and have to drink.

Elementary to High School.

and sometimes, it's the principal of the thing. I actually had the floor manager come out to the vending machind in Las Vegas to prove that I put in $5 and not the $1 that the machine said I put in.I hear that.

you went to GCC? My best friend just transfered there. He hates it right now, but he's a loser...haha

Cool. I liked it, with reservations. You have to find the right friends, I guess. There are a lot of really annoying people there, but also a lot of great ones. Why's he hate it?

Ah, but did the numbers of streakers swell to well over 600 and then some? And did they have paint handprints all over them?

Notta chance. Most I ever saw at once was three. And they were only semi-streakers. They had on trench coats walking to their starting point, streaked once around the quad, grabbed the coats and streaked back to their dorm. The worse one was when some guy ran through the student union minus all clothing, and I was eating. Kinda ruined my apetite. He wasn't exactly attractive.

Cool. I liked it, with reservations. You have to find the right friends, I guess. There are a lot of really annoying people there, but also a lot of great ones. Why's he hate it?
He's a really shy person, and living off campus, so he's having alot of trouble meeting people. Sadly, I can't really help him because I don't know what social life is like down there. He's just told me it is really repressed

He's a really shy person, and living off campus, so he's having alot of trouble meeting people. Sadly, I can't really help him because I don't know what social life is like down there. He's just told me it is really repressed

Which bastards are repressing him? Lets start a revolt against these evil overlords! Or at least find the guy a freindly-but-not-too-frightening place to meet people.

Eh, it's really hard to get into things living off campus, at least at gcc. I had off-campus friends, and loved getting to go to their places, and get away from the "bubble" but specially as a transfer commuter, it could be tough to make friends.

(I've sent more in tg in game so I don't gum up this thread too much.)

Which bastards are repressing him? Lets start a revolt against these evil overlords! Or at least find the guy a freindly-but-not-too-frightening place to meet people.

its those crazy, evil presbetarians!;) Actually, after tomorrow, he'll be being stalked by most of the campus, but not for reasons that will make actual friends

This story is not so unbeleivable. I was kicked out of University for being gay once... with someone who was not, nor willing to be, gay with me.

This story is not so unbeleivable. I was kicked out of University for being gay once... with someone who was not, nor willing to be, gay with me.
no no no...I think the term you're thinking of is rape, yes?

no no no...I think the term you're thinking of is rape, yes?

oooh yeah... thaaaaths wath they called ith!

oooh yeah... thaaaaths wath they called ith!
so easy to get the two confused. Just remember..."no" means "I need another shot before you're attractive"

so easy to get the two confused. Just remember..."no" means "I need another shot before you're attractive"

right, got it... now where did i put that Jager?

its those crazy, evil presbetarians!;) Actually, after tomorrow, he'll be being stalked by most of the campus, but not for reasons that will make actual friends

Can we expect full disclosure of the incident(s) leading up to this change after whatever statutes of limitations that apply run out?

Can we expect full disclosure of the incident(s) leading up to this change after whatever statutes of limitations that apply run out?

TG

is he fighting back? either complete the year or refund his tuition?

When a student is kicked out they can't come back the next semester. They CAN come back for the semester after that, however due to his offense and the fact we don't have COED dorms means he might not come back at all...noone would want to room with him.


Why is that? Because you're just so desireable?

Why couldn't what is 'wrong' be limited to infringing on the rights of others?

Probably 'cause we'd end up fighting after the first night. I don't have much of a thing for backdoor banging roommates. Had a roommate that was questionable last fall, 110% percent momma's arkansas boy. Lasted 6 1/2 weeks and he withdrew. My two michigan roommates (Brothers) were great though.

I was expecting a tale of drunken debauchery.:(

As was I, this thread disappoints.

When a student is kicked out they can't come back the next semester. They CAN come back for the semester after that, however due to his offense and the fact we don't have COED dorms means he might not come back at all...noone would want to room with him.
so one cannot find off campus housing?

Probably 'cause we'd end up fighting after the first night. I don't have much of a thing for backdoor banging roommates. Had a roommate that was questionable last fall, 110% percent momma's arkansas boy. Lasted 6 1/2 weeks and he withdrew. My two michigan roommates (Brothers) were great though.Again, why would it matter what they bang? Are you just that irresistable?