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I don't know if this has been posted yet but it amuses and scares me at the same time. I wondered when it would come to this, that someone would freak and arm the teachers. He cites of course, Israel and Thailand as places where it has worked before. America is Thailand now? :rolleyes:

Wonder how long it would take until a student gets killed because he makes some "threatening" move.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15142930/?GT1=8618

Well, I'd guess a whole week...

Wow, what a wonderful idea...

Let's just let the paranoid teachers summarily execute students.:D

Does he mean Thailand where there was just a military coup that removed the civilian government? Hardly a ringing endorsement of his idea.

interesting...if thats the case iam voting for students to have the abbility to arm them selves as well

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it amuses and scares me at the same time. I wondered when it would come to this, that someone would freak and arm the teachers. He cites of course, Israel and Thailand as places where it has worked before. America is Thailand now? :rolleyes:

Wonder how long it would take until a student gets killed because he makes some "threatening" move.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15142930/?GT1=8618

hee hee hee

I love America...

That would make it incredibly easy to restore order in the classroom

"I SAID no talking!" *Pops off a round into the ceiling*

In all seriousness, I like the idea of posting police officers to each school instead. My old school had 4-5. Really, there hasnt been a school shooting group large enough to take on that kind of force, so it seems sufficient. I was all for the arming pilots thing, but this strikes me as completely unnecessary.

Oh HELL no.

There is just WAY too much liability for that. Not only would it make teachers even more of a target, but I'm sorry, I don't need a classroom full of terrorised kids who are wondering if I have a gun somewhere on me.

This is one of the worst knee-jerks i've ever seen. We have a pandemic of school shootings and now WI is giving guns to it's teachers.

Deranged people frequently take hostages without any intent to kill/harm them, but if prof. farnsworth over in the math hall is packing heat then its going to turn these situations into a blood-bath. Let the damn cops sort this stuff out, it is after all their job...

It's an excellent idea. No longer would a student be given free reign to go on a rampage if he brings a gun to school -- there will be someone ready to take him down. Otherwise, students will be shooting ducks for these maniacs. And no teacher is going to shoot a student unless that teacher is seriously threatened -- it will also work wonders with excessive talking in class and order in general. Genial idea.

on wisconsin, indeed

I'm all for it but the individual doing the packing might be the problem. Ex-military well trained in pistol craft? No problem. Worrywart Soccer mom/teacher? Nooooooope.

Be better off having a few ARMED police officers at the school.

It's an excellent idea. No longer would a student be given free reign to go on a rampage if he brings a gun to school -- there will be someone ready to take him down. Otherwise, students will be shooting ducks for these maniacs. And no teacher is going to shoot a student unless that teacher is seriously threatened -- it will also work wonders with excessive talking in class and order in general. Genial idea.

It wouldn't really help excessive talking too much, as very many people in this country know that murder is illegal.

As someone who attends a WI school, if teachers start packing heat, so am I. I'm so not submitting to those assholes if they have firearms. I dont know about the rest of the nation but I wouldn't wan't ANY of my teachers to have a firearm in the classroom as much as another kid.

It's an excellent idea. No longer would a student be given free reign to go on a rampage if he brings a gun to school -- there will be someone ready to take him down. Otherwise, students will be shooting ducks for these maniacs. And no teacher is going to shoot a student unless that teacher is seriously threatened -- it will also work wonders with excessive talking in class and order in general. Genial idea.

And what happens when stray bullets from the ensuing gunfight go ripping through crouds of students?

Not to mention the fact that insane students will have easy access to guns via the teachers. Most police officers who die from gunshot wounds in duty, are killed by their own pistol. All it takes is a quick hand or a distracted teacher and we've got another columbine.

It's an excellent idea. No longer would a student be given free reign to go on a rampage if he brings a gun to school -- there will be someone ready to take him down. Otherwise, students will be shooting ducks for these maniacs. And no teacher is going to shoot a student unless that teacher is seriously threatened -- it will also work wonders with excessive talking in class and order in general. Genial idea.

Yeah till some idiot steals one of thoes guns ... Are you honestly crazy enough to WANT firearms in the hands of non law enforcement officials around your children?

Yeah till some idiot steals one of thoes guns ... Are you honestly crazy enough to WANT firearms in the hands of non law enforcement officials around your children?

Beat ya to it...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11769516&postcount=15

It's an excellent idea. No longer would a student be given free reign to go on a rampage if he brings a gun to school -- there will be someone ready to take him down. Otherwise, students will be shooting ducks for these maniacs. And no teacher is going to shoot a student unless that teacher is seriously threatened -- it will also work wonders with excessive talking in class and order in general. Genial idea.

Until a student finds the teacher's gun and goes on a rampage.

And how would it work wonders with excessive talking in class? Shooting someone for talking too much is certainly illegal, and I imagine the children would know that well enough.

As a teacher I have to say NO FUCKING WAY. That is just a tragedy waiting to happen!

Yeah till some idiot steals one of thoes guns ... Are you honestly crazy enough to WANT firearms in the hands of non law enforcement officials around your children?

I dont think being "Law Enforcement" is any kind of selling point to be the only ones with guns. Personally though, I just forsee problems with there being 1 gun per classroom. Seriously, like they are all being watched all the time?

Also think about those perverted teachers who molest students. Now, they'll rape your children at gun point. Also think about teachers who specificly become teachers because they like power, and like to express it over people smaller and weaker than them.

As a teacher I have to say NO FUCKING WAY. That is just a tragedy waiting to happen!
QFT again, plus as another teacher.

Yes. Let us give a gun to a teacher who has 30+ students in their care at any given time. We all know that teachers are all knowing, and never distracted or out of their rooms without locking it. And we all know that a student would never take advantage of ths situation and take their gun. And we all know that a teacher could never snap an open fire on their students.

Wow. Really, could they have come up with a worse idea? Post a security guard or two in the halls, for Christ's sake. But don't give guns to that many people when it is not part of their job description to be armed and have to be responsible for that many children in addition to a loaded weapon.

Yeah lets give people like Mary LeTourneau and Mark Blilie weapons to molest their students with ... thats a great IDEA

I’ve thought about this. I’m not as worried about teachers killing students as I am about a student getting a hold of one of the teacher's guns.
Something certainly needs to be done, though. The most basic job of government is to protect its citizens, which it is not doing here.

Also think about those perverted teachers who molest students. Now, they'll rape your children at gun point. Also think about teachers who specificly become teachers because they like power, and like to express it over people smaller and weaker than them.


Well, according to most teachers humans are no more than sophisticated animals....


sounds about right.

I’ve thought about this. I’m not as worried about teachers killing students as I am about a student getting a hold of one of the teacher's guns.
Something certainly needs to be done, though. The most basic job of government is to protect its citizens, which it is not doing here.

I think there are many solutions, but this one has to be one of the worst. I know I personally would never want that liability, nor would NER or Kat, it would seem.

The number of gun accidents is much higher than the number of school shootings. Based on that alone makes me increasingly wary

Until a student finds the teacher's gun and goes on a rampage.

And how would it work wonders with excessive talking in class? Shooting someone for talking too much is certainly illegal, and I imagine the children would know that well enough.

Teachers should keep their guns on their person at all times; it would be extremely difficult for a gun to be obtained by one person in a fight against the teacher and the rest of the class. And although no one can be shot for excessive talking, I'm sure it would put the fear of God into many students; it's something that many children lack these days.

Teachers should keep their guns on their person at all times; it would be extremely difficult for a gun to be obtained by one person in a fight against the teacher and the rest of the class. And although no one can be shot for excessive talking, I'm sure it would put the fear of God into many students; it's something that many children lack these days.

Teachers get distracted, and the whole class plus the teacher is powerless if the kid grabs the gun....

Teachers should keep their guns on their person at all times; it would be extremely difficult for a gun to be obtained by one person in a fight against the teacher and the rest of the class. And although no one can be shot for excessive talking, I'm sure it would put the fear of God into many students; it's something that many children lack these days.

Well from what I found even with extensive training and being worn on their person about 12 percent of murders of cops is with their own gun ... what makes you think that TEACHERS will do any better around our children then that?
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/205/205lect02a.htm

Teachers should keep their guns on their person at all times; it would be extremely difficult for a gun to be obtained by one person in a fight against the teacher and the rest of the class. And although no one can be shot for excessive talking, I'm sure it would put the fear of God into many students; it's something that many children lack these days.

Yeah, we really need students afraid of our teachers. You know that not all teachers are exactly mentally there either. Instead of a student it will be the teacher going on a shooting rampage. And it really would't be too difficult for a student to get the gun from the teacher. They aren't exactly trained in self defence and many students could overpower the teacher to get at his/her weapon. Being killed by your own gun is pretty common you know. Besides, do you actually think parents would allow guns to be allowed on school grounds under any circumstances?

*finds it ironic that the teachers in this thread have said it's a bad idea, yet are being characterized as unstable sexual predators*

*finds it ironic that the teachers in this thread have said it's a bad idea, yet are being characterized as unstable sexual predators*

what, you mean you've never molested a child after forgetting your happy pills?:rolleyes:

*finds it ironic that the teachers in this thread have said it's a bad idea, yet are being characterized as unstable sexual predators*

Sorry just giving examples of how giving guns to people in charge of children could lead to further abuse

Did not mean to make it sound like you all were that way!:fluffle: :fluffle:

Does he mean Thailand where there was just a military coup that removed the civilian government? Hardly a ringing endorsement of his idea.

A military coup more organized, quieter, and less violence filled than your average American political campagin.

Sorry just giving examples of how giving guns to people in charge of children could lead to further abuse


anyone will do (almost) anything at the barrel of a gun.

Ex.:

man: get naked
woman: No
man: *pulls out gun* get naked
woman:*gets naked* anything else I can do for you?

------------------------------------------------------------------

This works with all types doing all sorts of actions. It's instinct.




as for the teacher thing, it's a possibility.

anyone will do (almost) anything at the barrel of a gun.

Ex.:

man: get naked
woman: No
man: *pulls out gun* get naked
woman:*gets naked* anything else I can do for you?

------------------------------------------------------------------

This works with all types doing all sorts of actions. It's instinct.

You think a gunman doesn't have much chance meeting someone with a spine?

Teachers should keep their guns on their person at all times; it would be extremely difficult for a gun to be obtained by one person in a fight against the teacher and the rest of the class. And although no one can be shot for excessive talking, I'm sure it would put the fear of God into many students; it's something that many children lack these days.
I don't know about you, but I don't teach through fear. That is the worst way to teach.

Do us a favor, stay the hell away from the schools.

I think the Wisconsin legislator should carry his own damned guns and not force teachers to tote them. Next thing you know he will want them to call him Bwana and field dress whatever he shoots too. I have no tolerance for laziness of this magnitude!

As a teacher I have to say NO FUCKING WAY. That is just a tragedy waiting to happen!

The Wisconsin legislator probably has not met your associates, nor for that matter the teachers whom he wishes to arm. I would suggest (and sincerely hope) that he is probably advocating this rash bit of comedy more as a publicity stunt than as a preferred plan of action which will get the support of his fellow legislators. Although you never can really be sure about these things.

The Wisconsin legislator probably has not met your associates, nor for that matter the teachers whom he wishes to arm. I would suggest (and sincerely hope) that he is probably advocating this rash bit of comedy more as a publicity stunt than as a preferred plan of action which will get the support of his fellow legislators. Although you never can really be sure about these things.
Sadly he is probably serious. After Columbine, a Nevada State legislator tried to promote the same idea (Only his would have made it manditory for teachers to carry guns into the classroom), thankfully it died in commitee.

Yeah till some idiot steals one of thoes guns ... Are you honestly crazy enough to WANT firearms in the hands of non law enforcement officials around your children?

i'm not law enforcement..and my kids have been around guns since they could walk.

i am against teachers packing heat though..as they are just like everyone else..cops included..all you need is one bad apple.
why stack the deck against the kids..crazy shooters or unhinged teachers..no thanks,at first i thought maybe,like the pilots being armed.

maybe if the teacher/pilot went to serious training on not only proficiency with a gun,but the laws regarding when to shoot..etc...but only then..maybe.
the better option is real security guards(armed)and i am against cops doing it...they get paid way to much to sit around babysitting little idiots,when they should be patrolling the streets trying to catch assholes running around with guns(that should not have them)not sitting in some school on their hands.
call it a layered defense...real cops doing real police work,and real security guards doing real security.

Teachers should keep their guns on their person at all times; it would be extremely difficult for a gun to be obtained by one person in a fight against the teacher and the rest of the class. And although no one can be shot for excessive talking, I'm sure it would put the fear of God into many students; it's something that many children lack these days.
That is all you need......stressed out teachers (http://www.asbj.com/2003/10/1003research.html)carrying a gun with them at all times. :p

"I don't know how much more I can take," a math teacher told me recently. "The pressure goes up every day, and so does my stress level."

That same day, a fifth-grade teacher took me aside and confessed, "I'm so stressed. Today a student who speaks limited English was added to my class, and tonight I have to mark report cards. On top of that I have an early breakfast meeting with parents."

Stress seems to be a way of life for teachers. Many teachers I work with describe themselves as overwhelmed. They admit to feeling anxious and apprehensive -- especially about meeting the mounting needs of troubled students, doing justice to an all-consuming curriculum, and getting kids ready for a relentless series of tests.

And they complain about tension throughout their schools. As the math teacher put it, "Some days my school feels like a powder keg that's about to explode."

Or, as a high school English teacher told me after a particularly hectic week, "With so much stress, something has to give. I'm afraid it will be me."
It would appear that the cure could be far worse than the symptom.

Edit: Where would the guns be stored when the school is closed or hosting a few night meetings/assemblies?

Sadly he is probably serious. After Columbine, a Nevada State legislator tried to promote the same idea (Only his would have made it manditory for teachers to carry guns into the classroom), thankfully it died in commitee.

It died in commitee and the initial coronor's finding of the cause of death is that it was a self inflicted gunshot wound. :rolleyes:

I know I posted this recently in another thread, but it's too damn apt for me to leave it out of this one:

The Lesson
Roger McGough

Chaos ruled OK in the classroom
as bravely the teacher walked in
the hooligans ignored him
his voice was lost in the din

"The theme for today is violence
and homework will be set
I'm going to teach you a lesson
one you'll never forget"

He picked on a boy who was shouting
and throttled him then and there
then garrotted the girl behind him
(the one with the grotty hair)

With sword in hand he hacked his way
between the chattering rows
"First come, first severed" he declared
"fingers, feet or toes"

He threw the sword at a latecomer
it struck with deadly aim
then pulling out a shotgun
he continued with his game

The first blast cleared the backrow
(where those who skive hang out)
they collapsed like rubber dinghies
when the plug's pulled out

"Please may I leave the room sir?"
a trembling vandal enquired
"Of course you may" said teacher
put the gun to his temple and fired

The Head popped a head round the doorway
to see why a din was being made
nodded understandingly
and tossed in a grenade

And when the ammo was well spent
with blood on every chair
Silence shuffled forward
with its hands up in the air

The teacher surveyed the carnage
the dying and the dead
He waggled a finger severely
"Now let that be a lesson" he said

Sadly he is probably serious. After Columbine, a Nevada State legislator tried to promote the same idea (Only his would have made it manditory for teachers to carry guns into the classroom), thankfully it died in commitee.

Yeesh! I'm beginning to think some people would prefer that no one teach their kids. It's hard enough to find people who don't mind doing a highly stressful job for crappy pay without also demanding that they agree to carry a deadly weapon. :rolleyes:

A military coup more organized, quieter, and less violence filled than your average American political campagin.
It even had Go-Go dancers!
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42134000/jpg/_42134926_ap_dance203.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5384544.stm
Now that's the way to run a coup!

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it amuses and scares me at the same time. I wondered when it would come to this, that someone would freak and arm the teachers. He cites of course, Israel and Thailand as places where it has worked before. America is Thailand now? :rolleyes:

Wonder how long it would take until a student gets killed because he makes some "threatening" move.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15142930/?GT1=8618

I assure you...you will see MORE dead students if you start arming teachers.

That said, I live only a short drive from this guys district, and I can assure you that such a measure will not pass in this state. The Assembly didn't pass the blanket concealed carry law proposed here three years ago (we're one of the few states left that do not allow concealed carry), I'm certain they won't pass this...even if it gets out of committee, which it probably won't.

Why the guy is even bothering, I have no idea...he's running unopposed in November. :rolleyes:

It even had Go-Go dancers!
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42134000/jpg/_42134926_ap_dance203.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5384544.stm
Now that's the way to run a coup!

No shit! :)

*drools*

I assure you...you will see MORE dead students if you start arming teachers.



On the plus side at least then it wont be random killings, it will be those students that needed killin'.

Just kidding BTW.

On the plus side at least then it wont be random killings, it will be those students that needed killin'.

Why bother being selective??

Kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out!!!





*is also kidding*

No shit! :)

*drools*

Just remember...it's Thailand. there is a good chance that beautiful woman is actually a 12 year old boy;)

Just remember...it's Thailand. there is a good chance that beautiful woman is actually a 12 year old boy ;)

*crosses fingers*

:p

I support this idea! I also support the teacher's right to choose which guns to bring to class. If I was a teacher I would bring a 12 gauge shotgun. :D

*crosses fingers*

:p

I like the cut of your jib.

Call HQ...we have a new minister of sex ed.

I support this idea! I also support the teacher's right to choose which guns to bring to class. If I was a teacher I would bring a 12 gauge shotgun. :D
You would have guns to be mandatory on school grounds?

And here I thought the point was to keep guns off school property....

I like the cut of your jib.

That's the best phrase EVAR! :)

Call HQ...we have a new minister of sex ed.

Hehe...sweet!

Do I get a salary, or just "fringe benefits" :D

That's the best phrase EVAR! :)
haha...its grown on me recently


Hehe...sweet!

Do I get a salary, or just "fringe benefits" :D

we pay...um...under the table if ya know what I'm sayin...


...and I think ya do;)

You would have guns to be mandatory on school grounds?

And here I thought the point was to keep guns off school property....

Yea, that policy is working really well... :rolleyes:

Yea, that policy is working really well... :rolleyes:

and so you would have the 30-50 teachers in a school carrying weapons, in addition to having 30 or more students at a time? Sorry, when I have to deal with 30 students, I'm quite liable to be...oh, I don't know...distracted a little tiny bit. Or I might leave the room to make a photocopy and forget to grab my gun. Or a rather small group of high school students could easily overpower me and take it.

As stated earlier in the thread, most police officers shot in the line of duty are shot by their own weapon.

Not to mention teachers could snap. It is unlikely, but it could happen.

The percentage of accidental gun injuries heavily outweighs the chances of being shot at school.

Why not place police officers or security guards...you know, people trained to use a gun as well as trained in conflict resolution...in the schools, rather than putting another level of stress on teachers?

and so you would have the 30-50 teachers in a school carrying weapons, in addition to having 30 or more students at a time? Sorry, when I have to deal with 30 students, I'm quite liable to be...oh, I don't know...distracted a little tiny bit. Or I might leave the room to make a photocopy and forget to grab my gun. Or a rather small group of high school students could easily overpower me and take it.

As stated earlier in the thread, most police officers shot in the line of duty are shot by their own weapon.

Not to mention teachers could snap. It is unlikely, but it could happen.

The percentage of accidental gun injuries heavily outweighs the chances of being shot at school.

Why not place police officers or security guards...you know, people trained to use a gun as well as trained in conflict resolution...in the schools, rather than putting another level of stress on teachers?

Many schools already have resource officers. Still doesn't deter the problem.

Not to mention teachers could snap. It is unlikely, but it could happen.
Could and does happen.
Earlier this year, a teacher at a local school snapped. He started screaming and shouting at the students. He then went up to the roof top, threatening to jump. After several hours of yelling and threatening, during which time he dropped his pants and pissed over the side of the building, the police finally managed to talk him down.
Now imagine how unhinged a teacher would have to be in order for him to lose all sense of modesty. Then imagine how he might have acted had he been armed at the time.


Recent survey here found that something like 70% of teachers reported being extremely stressed out in their jobs. Many (~20%) had entertained thoughts of suicide due to the stress of their jobs.
It's not that inconceivable to imagine more than a few of these stressed out suicidal teachers suddenly deciding to end it all but first take a few others with them.
Good idea to force these people to carry guns?

we pay...um...under the table if ya know what I'm sayin...


...and I think ya do ;)

I do. ;)

...but this also means I get no tax write-off. :( :p

Many schools already have resource officers. Still doesn't deter the problem.

shown by what? There have been no studies, to my knowlege, done to demonstrate the effects of resource, security, or police officers in the schools.

I have also not heard of a school that has an officer having major incidents on the lines of a school shooting. Mind you, this isn't conclusive of anything...it could be that the school is safer because of the officers, or it could be that they are just one of the many hundreds of thousands of schools that have never had such an incident

I'm just glad I got out of the teaching program when I did. Jeez, 3 periods of dealing with 30-40 some kids who don't give a rats ass what you have to say. jeez I would've quit after one year. At least with an archivist job I can have minnimum human contacts! Yay!

Could and does happen.
Earlier this year, a teacher at a local school snapped. He started screaming and shouting at the students. He then went up to the roof top, threatening to jump. After several hours of yelling and threatening, during which time he dropped his pants and pissed over the side of the building, the police finally managed to talk him down.
Now imagine how unhinged a teacher would have to be in order for him to lose all sense of modesty. Then imagine how he might have acted had he been armed at the time.


Recent survey here found that something like 70% of teachers reported being extremely stressed out in their jobs. Many (~20%) had entertained thoughts of suicide due to the stress of their jobs.
It's not that inconceivable to imagine more than a few of these stressed out suicidal teachers suddenly deciding to end it all but first take a few others with them.
Good idea to force these people to carry guns?
No question it does happen. It is rare for such a breakdown, but it does occur.
Firepower would just make such a breakdown worse.

As I said, I do NOT want that liability in my classroom. Period. End of question. Even if it were mandated that I have a gun in my classroom, it would be in a lock box and never see the light of day.

Well, there's a point here. The more good people with guns, the less advantage armed troublemakers have.

But being armed brings responsibility only if it is voluntary; it's not army to make it mandatory. And armed teachers should be the ones who can handle a gun well or at least bother to take some training.

More police officers is an alternate solution, but ever growing police force...

I assure you...you will see MORE dead students if you start arming teachers.

That said, I live only a short drive from this guys district, and I can assure you that such a measure will not pass in this state. The Assembly didn't pass the blanket concealed carry law proposed here three years ago (we're one of the few states left that do not allow concealed carry), I'm certain they won't pass this...even if it gets out of committee, which it probably won't.

Why the guy is even bothering, I have no idea...he's running unopposed in November. :rolleyes:

You know, I could more understand if an inner city school freaks as they have the more "average" kind of school violence. The trouble in those kinds of schools is much more problematic then some outlandish possibility of a school shooting rampage in a rural school. Still, trying to arm the teachers has to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. But then perhaps every last one will be responsible and won't start seeing dangerous scenarios out of their "troubled" students and have their hand start twiching for their gun.

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it amuses and scares me at the same time. I wondered when it would come to this, that someone would freak and arm the teachers. He cites of course, Israel and Thailand as places where it has worked before. America is Thailand now? :rolleyes:

Wonder how long it would take until a student gets killed because he makes some "threatening" move.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15142930/?GT1=8618

wrong time of month an you get this :mp5:

I suggest hiring bigger teachers. Im 6-4 260 and the most common comment i get from kids is "Wow your tall." Its amazing how a loud stern projecting voice gets students attention when its needed. I get very little hassle from teenagers :)

I suggest hiring bigger teachers. Im 6-4 260 and the most common comment i get from kids is "Wow your tall." Its amazing how a loud stern projecting voice gets students attention when its needed. I get very little hassle from teenagers :)
Perhaps they are afraid that you would unleash your intestinal fluids on them? :p

Perhaps they are afraid that you would unleash your intestinal fluids on them? :p

A much better deterrent to school violence than any lousy gun. :D

I don't know if this has been posted yet but it amuses and scares me at the same time. I wondered when it would come to this, that someone would freak and arm the teachers. He cites of course, Israel and Thailand as places where it has worked before. America is Thailand now? :rolleyes:

Wonder how long it would take until a student gets killed because he makes some "threatening" move.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15142930/?GT1=8618

Excellent idea...and they should be really big ones with bayonets .

Arm the teachers? :eek: Oh Gods no. No, no, no. No way in Hell. No. NO! Please? :(

Such an escalation in the schools is a bad idea...

I suggest hiring bigger teachers. Im 6-4 260 and the most common comment i get from kids is "Wow your tall." Its amazing how a loud stern projecting voice gets students attention when its needed. I get very little hassle from teenagers :)
Really? You're lucky. I'm 6'3" and 240 pounds (and I work out a lot), and often found my size a disadvantage.

Back in NZ I often got hassled because the little shits knew I couldn't do anything back. Let's face it: It's not like if I was ever confronted by an angry student I could smack them one and then claim self-defence cause I felt threatened and physically intimidated. They knew that and would act accordingly - some would actively confront me simply in the hope of provoking a reaction.

Though I was in one of the worst schools in NZ, so this mightn't be 'average' student behaviour. Of of interest, three students from that school (I taught at least one of them) this week stole a car, picked up a hitchhiker, and led the police on a high-speed chase that ended with a head-on collision, killing 2 of the teens and the hitcher (poor sod). When I read that I was coloured completely unsurprised. The car-stealing bit was not that uncommon with students at that school. Nor was drug dealing, burglary, theft,...

Yeah... I can remember more than a few teachers I would prefer if they weren't armed.

Excellent idea...and they should be really big ones with bayonets .
If I had to choose, I'd prefer this one:
http://www.montysminiguns.com/6mmpromopic.jpg

Though I was in one of the worst schools in NZ, so this mightn't be 'average' student behaviour. Of of interest, three students from that school (I taught at least one of them) this week stole a car, picked up a hitchhiker, and led the police on a high-speed chase that ended with a head-on collision, killing 2 of the teens and the hitcher (poor sod). When I read that I was coloured completely unsurprised. The car-stealing bit was not that uncommon with students at that school. Nor was drug dealing, burglary, theft,...

Yea i live in a well educated fairly civilized collegetown community in upstate NY so we just dont have that kind of stuff on a very large scale.

If I had to choose, I'd prefer this one:
http://www.montysminiguns.com/6mmpromopic.jpg

Hah, Gatling Gun.

A military coup more organized, quieter, and less violence filled than your average American political campagin.

here here!

I suggest hiring bigger teachers. Im 6-4 260 and the most common comment i get from kids is "Wow your tall." Its amazing how a loud stern projecting voice gets students attention when its needed. I get very little hassle from teenagers :)

Pssh. By far the scariest teacher at my high school was a short, slightly built, softspoken elderly lady. Scary is what you make of it. :p

Yeah... I can remember more than a few teachers I would prefer if they weren't armed.


Now ain"t THAT the DAMNED TRUTH ! You think you got school massacres NOW ???:p

If I had to choose, I'd prefer this one:
http://www.montysminiguns.com/6mmpromopic.jpg


Can you imagine ?

Mini guns dude ....wow...


Class would be kinda subdued ...one way or another...:eek:


Better yet ROBOTEACHER ...instead of Robocop !

"Johnny? I have bad news. You failed your algebra test"

"No! There must be some mista- Wait! NO!"

*BLAM!*

I expect test scores to rise dramatically. :)

"Johnny? I have bad news. You failed your algebra test"

"No! There must be some mista- Wait! NO!"

*BLAM!*

I expect test scores to rise dramatically. :)

No, if you want scores to increase, it goes like this:

"Johnny? I have bad news. You failed your algebra test"

"No! There must be some mista- Wait! NO!"

*BLAM!* * Little Johnnies' XBox goes up in smoke*

Ve have vays to make zem learn... http://forum.gamion.de/images/smilies/054gun.gif

That's a stupid idea.

I've got no problem with armed teachers. It may very well prevent or cut short an armed student or intruder's shooting spree.

Can you imagine ?

Mini guns dude ....wow...

Class would be kinda subdued ...one way or another...:eek:

Better yet ROBOTEACHER ...instead of Robocop !
Sweet http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/JesusShades.gif!

Maybe I'm all for it... Chainfed out of the teacher's desk, too! :D

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/mg.gif

Then again - I predict an increase in snapping teachers who take (it) out (on) their students!
People not in the teaching business usually underestimate the stress that comes with it...

next thing you know there doing dive bys on other schools when there team have lost a game

next thing you know there doing dive bys on other schools when there team have lost a game
Pray your English teacher never gets a gun...

next thing you know there doing dive bys on other schools when there team have lost a game

You done typt that post all funny like.

You done typt that post all funny like.

thats the way iam
if need fixing tell me

thats the way iam
if need fixing tell me

I'm fixin to go get hammered tonite

I'm fixin to go get hammered tonite

luck you
i go near a bottle after last time i get yelled at

thats why if i was a teacher there dont give me a gun and make me pissed
because one too much
ill start shooting up the school myself

Whats next? Banning liquids from schools, because they can be used to make bombs?:rolleyes:

Whats next? Banning liquids from schools, because they can be used to make bombs?:rolleyes:
Or worse, when those liquids are drunk, they might cause students to have to go to the bathroom and thus miss 5 minutes of class... :rolleyes:

Anyone see the Colbert Report last night? Perhaps he read my thread? :eek:

Click the "Safety" video. :D

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/videos/most_recent/index.jhtml

The solution to school shootings. Put more guns inside the schools. Another problem solved by the forces of irony.

Anyone see the Colbert Report last night? Perhaps he read my thread? :eek:

Click the "Safety" video. :D

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/videos/most_recent/index.jhtml

Chalk and awe :p I loved it

Under current US laws, is it illegal for a teacher to go to class armed? What with the 2nd Amnedment et al?
I guess it would be quite easy to construe the board as a militia, wouldn't it?

I feel allowing teachers to carry arms is a mistake. Sooner or later, a teacher will get pissed enough to blast a student away. Don't think it won't happen either. If a teacher will have sex with a student, there is someone out there, who will shoot one.

Under current US laws, is it illegal for a teacher to go to class armed? What with the 2nd Amnedment et al?
I guess it would be quite easy to construe the board as a militia, wouldn't it?

No weapons are allowed on school grounds. Period. And it better stay that way.

Under current US laws, is it illegal for a teacher to go to class armed? What with the 2nd Amnedment et al?
I guess it would be quite easy to construe the board as a militia, wouldn't it?

It is illegal, and the right to bear arms has nothing to do with that. The right to bear arms means that we are free to:

A. Form Militias if need be.
B. Have weapons to be used against the government if it ever becomes corrupt
C. Own weapons for personal defense.

That is all. You must have a Concealed Weapons License to carry arms in public.

Alright, thanks.

It is illegal, and the right to bear arms has nothing to do with that. The right to bear arms means that we are free to:

A. Form Militias if need be.
B. Have weapons to be used against the government if it ever becomes corrupt
C. Own weapons for personal defense.

That is all. You must have a Concealed Weapons License to carry arms in public.

Then the question would be does that license work if a teacher brings a gun to school?

Then the question would be does that license work if a teacher brings a gun to school?

No, you cannot bring a gun to a school unless you are a police offer

Then the question would be does that license work if a teacher brings a gun to school?

Nope. Only police officers and trudent officers are to have weapons on campus, as they know when is appropriate to use them, etc.

Then the question would be does that license work if a teacher brings a gun to school?

No. School rules actually supercede most other laws, including the right to privacy and expression, the right to own and carry weapons, and the like. The schools job is to provide a safe environment for education, and therefore, they are permitted to take appropriate actions, such as a full ban on weapons. They can even require that police are unarmed on campuses.