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Brutal, inhuman, by the book people who are in full riot gear all the time on duty.
PROS
Scares the shit into people, and less police casualties.

CONS
Provokes some sort of people, more civilian casualties.

Lenient, human, bend the rules people who are in normal gear.

PROS
Good reputation

CONS.
Pretty shit.

Your opinion?
GO RIOT GEAR WOOOT

...bump?

WTF?

Yeah, all police should wear full riot gear so they are slower and easier to get way from, more intimidating and have poor community relations.

Why should people be afraid of the police?

Why not an unarmed police force that people respect rather than fear?

best method for what?

In general keeping down crime.

When I was a kid, one of the local supermarkets had a ticket machine at the butchers' counter. You took a number, when it was called it was your turn to be served.

I've often wondered why we don't run the Police like that; instead of all those officers manning speed-cameras and filling in paperwork, put a ticket machine on the front desk so you can go in and get a crime number.

Why? Because giving you a crime number to give to the insurance company is the only fucking use the British Police Force has.

In general keeping down crime.

ah, for that you want to abolish the entire institution of the police and build a new one that actually aims to do that from within communities rather than as outside occupying enforcers of class rule.

When I was a kid, one of the local supermarkets had a ticket machine at the butchers' counter. You took a number, when it was called it was your turn to be served.

I've often wondered why we don't run the Police like that; instead of all those officers manning speed-cameras and filling in paperwork, put a ticket machine on the front desk so you can go in and get a crime number.

Why? Because giving you a crime number to give to the insurance company is the only fucking use the British Police Force has.

I totaly agree. The only real advantage of their police is that they can hold a suspect for extended periods, not just an hour or so.

Why should people be afraid of the police?

Why not an unarmed police force that people respect rather than fear?

Because fear is the ultimate crime prevention method. If people are too terrified to comite(Spelling?) Then they sure as hell won't even think about it. Now, to be fair, this is the same method that Vlad the Impaler used, but, as cruel as he was, it worked perfectly. Hell, to this day people are acutaly cheering his name for doing it! So, we can't get people to like or respect the cops so the next best thing is too make them afraid.

I totaly agree. The only real advantage of their police is that they can hold a suspect for extended periods, not just an hour or so.

I dunno.
Theres some clever fucks round here.

i remember when i was 15, me and my friends aquired alcohol through questionable means... (Stole it)
And we're drunk as hell within an hour.
The police come.
"Your not 18 are you..."


Id like to see the AMERICAN police make that deduction :p

Because fear is the ultimate crime prevention method. If people are too terrified to comite(Spelling?) Then they sure as hell won't even think about it. Now, to be fair, this is the same method that Vlad the Impaler used, but, as cruel as he was, it worked perfectly. Hell, to this day people are acutaly cheering his name for doing it! So, we can't get people to like or respect the cops so the next best thing is too make them afraid.


Yay! Let's all praise Stalin and Mao for their methods too! W00T! :rolleyes:

WTF?

Yeah, all police should wear full riot gear so they are slower and easier to get way from, more intimidating and have poor community relations.

Who cares about community relations? No one respect cops anyway. Make them scarier and they won't need to worry about community relations. You are right on the equipment slowing them down though.

Because fear is the ultimate crime prevention method. If people are too terrified to comite(Spelling?) Then they sure as hell won't even think about it. Now, to be fair, this is the same method that Vlad the Impaler used, but, as cruel as he was, it worked perfectly. Hell, to this day people are acutaly cheering his name for doing it! So, we can't get people to like or respect the cops so the next best thing is too make them afraid.

I'd like to know who is cheering for Vlad's peacekeeping method so I can get the fuck away from them. :p

I dunno.
Theres some clever fucks round here.

i remember when i was 15, me and my friends aquired alcohol through questionable means... (Stole it)
And we're drunk as hell within an hour.
The police come.
"Your not 18 are you..."


Id like to see the AMERICAN police make that deduction :p

In america you actualy need to be 21 and have ID. Cops don't have to ask age, you can cough up ID and your jolly we'll screwed. And, what the hell does you and your friends doing something stupid and a coip asking age have to do with anything?

I'd like to know who is cheering for Vlad's peacekeeping method so I can get the fuck away from them. :p

Mostly the people in Transelvainia or whatever it's called today. Personaly, I agree with making people afraid to commit crime, but c'mon. Impailing people? I know it was a diffrent time but yeesh.

In america you actualy need to be 21 and have ID. Cops don't have to ask age, you can cough up ID and your jolly we'll screwed. And, what the hell does you and your friends doing something stupid and a coip asking age have to do with anything?

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i see humour has little effect on the far corners of the world.

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i see humour has little effect on the far corners of the world.

No i'm just too computer illiterate to tell humour from normal speech when it's typed. I hate myself for it.

No one respect cops anyway.
Don't make such broad, sweeping generalisations. Just because you don't respect the law or those doing their job....

No i'm just too computer illiterate to tell humour from normal speech when it's typed. I hate myself for it.

sorry. was a bit blunt there.
(hug)

Don't make such broad, sweeping generalisations. Just because you don't respect the law or those doing their job....

... i bet your wetting yourself.

Police are NOT respected.
People pay lip-service at most. the whole "They do a good job" shabbaz.

Don't make such broad, sweeping generalisations. Just because you don't respect the law or those doing their job....

When did I say that I don't respect cops? I like cops and I don't know why anybody wouldn't. Sure there are those who abuse their authority or are in some other way corrupt, but that can't be all of them. And I say nobody respects cops because lets face it, no one does. You hear it all the time her in America, the usual is. "Fuckin' PO PO's. Daym POlice. PIGS." Plenty of others where those came from. But no once you hear praise for the boys in blue. Hell people even put there lives undeneath those of drug dealers and murderers. You hear that when one cop kicks tackles some guy when he tries to run away, but you hear nothing when dealers pop a cops head off his shoulders with a shotgun.

... i bet your wetting yourself.
No.


Police are NOT respected.
People pay lip-service at most. the whole "They do a good job" shabbaz.

Again, maybe where you are. Welcome to an International Forum. "The Police" on an International Forum means different things to different posters.

Where I am, there are more people that respect them, than there are people that don't.

" "They do a good job" shabbaz" is not necessarily a "shabbaz". More often than not, the good jobs public servants do, are never reported. On a community/local level, such public servants are welcomed for the most part.

Because fear is the ultimate crime prevention method.

It really, really is not. Stongly internalized moral/ethical beliefs are actually much better at preventing folks from behaving badly than any external motivation. The best weapon against crime is the people's own minds.

No.
More often than not, the good jobs public servants do, are never reported. .

That is true, especial here in AMerica, there are cases of cops busting down criminals every day yet all you hear is the trial and never the cops that caught him.

It really, really is not. Stongly internalized moral/ethical beliefs are actually much better at preventing folks from behaving badly than any external motivation. The best weapon against crime is the people's own minds.

I know what you mean here but could you elaborate on how we do that?

I know what you mean here but could you elaborate on how we do that?

It would require intensive and comprehensive education programs in which the level of parental involvement was very high. Well, if you want to do it ethically.

Unethically, brainwashing works very well on most people. And often they don't even know they've been brainwashed.

the police exist not just to make war against criminals. They exist to keep the peace. If police were just enforcers of the law, they would all be like judge Dredd, everything designed with no purpose beyond bringing criminals down. The police need to be able to patroll neighborhoods, calmly go into public buildings, and interact with people in a civilized manner. They don't just enforce the law, they also keep order, and make sure that people either get along or get out of each others way.

the police should make the populous nervous (thinking "Oh, I hope I'm not speeding or doing something else wrong") Not fearful. If the people come to fear the police, then the police become their enemy, and keeping the peace, enforcing the law, those become much harder to do.