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I mentioned in one of the election threads that none of the parties and elections mattered unless they became relavent. The only way I think that the whole NSG political thing could be become relevant would be through input into the practical matters of the General forum.

At present the general posting populace has no input into the admin of this forum, so that looks like a dead end.

What if, however, our regular posters made an attempt at unionizing? I know there was some sort of union before, but it seemed more spammy than active. I wonder if any sort of movement like that could gain any sort of momentum. and furthermore if it could get the posters on NS some input into the nomination and possible removal of mods, the establishing of rules, and the deletion of posters?

It would at least be interesting to try, and to see what would happen.

it would be good, and its a good idea (and i think we've discussed this issue a little before to no avail) but think of it this way: we, the posters (the proles) have no power. we're basically asking for the vote. asking for the vote from the establishment. an establishment (the admins, mods, jolt, etc) who i doubt would give up their power or give us any power to remove them from their position atop us. not blaming them as people, or course, but just saying that this forum, like any other social institution, will have to fight for rights or power for the proles.

I always saw the NSG Election as more of just an experiment in mock politics rather than an actual attempt to gain any power. I saw it not as "being elected to govern NSG" but rather "a mock election where the voters are NSG posters".

I always saw the NSG Election as more of just an experiment in mock politics rather than an actual attempt to gain any power. I saw it not as "being elected to govern NSG" but rather "a mock election where the voters are NSG posters".

that, too *nods*

*would be amused if this thread was locked with the explanation "Thoughtcrime."*

:p

But y'see, the problem here is that should there be an NS union, it has nothing to bargain with. If you don't like the forum, you leave. That's not the problem of the mods or admins since they have nothing to lose by you leaving the forum. Real-life unions, by contrast, actually have something to bargain with.

*would be amused if this thread was locked with the explanation "Thoughtcrime."*

:p

But y'see, the problem here is that should there be an NS union, it has nothing to bargain with. If you don't like the forum, you leave. That's not the problem of the mods or admins since they have nothing to lose by you leaving the forum. Real-life unions, by contrast, actually have something to bargain with.

well we could strike... or mass-leave. or spam a lot. create grief for the mods. hell we could DDOS the servers, but its starting to get illegal there :eek: (and i don't think anyone really cares that much)

not that i'm inciting or suggesting we do any of those things, mind.

well we could strike... or mass-leave.

Why would they care?

or spam a lot. create grief for the mods.

That'd be fleeting.

hell we could DDOS the servers, but its starting to get illegal there :eek: (and i don't think anyone really cares that much)

Heh. Yeah; and pointless. Why would you do that since it's just going to get you an IP ban anyway?

Hm, interesting idea. Perhaps we could all give negative reviews of Max's books? After all, the reason he created the site was to promote his books.

I always saw the NSG Election as more of just an experiment in mock politics rather than an actual attempt to gain any power. I saw it not as "being elected to govern NSG" but rather "a mock election where the voters are NSG posters".

That was the general idea, yes.

I always saw the NSG Election as more of just an experiment in mock politics rather than an actual attempt to gain any power. I saw it not as "being elected to govern NSG" but rather "a mock election where the voters are NSG posters".

That is true, but the NSG Elections were only what got me started about this.

I was trying to figure out how to make the Elections reasonably accurate (it requires some sort of stakes, like poker), and I thought, "What if the parliament had some sort of practical abilities?"

That started my thought process down a completely different track, as starting up a "poster's union" would be far too much trouble just to make the elections relevant, and furthermore, the elections would take on a completely different makeup (economics is the largest divider amongst the current parties, and it would be irrelevant to the admin of general).

This would be a completely different mock political system that would probably be more interesting.

But y'see, the problem here is that should there be an NS union, it has nothing to bargain with. If you don't like the forum, you leave. That's not the problem of the mods or admins since they have nothing to lose by you leaving the forum. Real-life unions, by contrast, actually have something to bargain with.

That had occured to me, but more importantly, who would we be bargaining with?

I wonder how much the general forum brings to the Nationstates website, and more importantly Jolt Forums, and whether losing General would be something they would seriously not want to lose. Considering General makes up a huge portion of Jolt's posts and visitors, I bet we would have something to bargain with.

Then the question becomes whether the regular posters really care enough to try this out.

What do you want to get out of it?

What do you want to get out of it?

Shits and/or giggles.

I am not particularly disapproving of the current state of NSG (it is rather dull, but that isn't any fault of the rules or format), I would just like to try it as an experiment.

well we could strike... or mass-leave.

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