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I'm beginning to think that somehow some people in the West are developing Stockholm Syndrome. I mean this is too moronic even for the standarts of some "ZOMG!!! We need more diversity coz it GOOOD!!!1!one!1!!" type Political Correctness People.
Or maybe they thought he was a moderate muslim since "He had a big support base among some of the Muslim parents."?



Muslim teacher in carol concert tirade is made Ofsted inspector
By WAYNE FRANCIS Last updated at 22:00pm on 30th September 2006

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A hardline Muslim teacher who caused a furore by denouncing pupils for celebrating Christmas has been made a Government schools inspector.

Israr Khan's Ofsted appointment was described by a former colleague as 'absolutely astonishing'.

Mr Khan, now headmaster of an Islamic school, launched into his tirade during a concert rehearsal at Washwood Heath Secondary School in Birmingham in 1996 after the choir including around 40 Muslim youngsters, had sung a number of popular Christmas songs, including carols.

He leapt from his seat, yelling: "Who is your God? Why are you saying Jesus and Jesus Christ? God is not your God - it is Allah."

As children in the audience began booing and clapping, a number of choir members - both white and Asian - walked out, some in tears.

Mr Khan, a maths teacher, was asked to work from home pending an investigation but there was no disciplinary action.

It has been claimed that Washwood Heath school was then a 'hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism'. Rashid Rauf - the airline terror bomb suspect whose extradition is currently being sought from Pakistan - was a pupil there at that time.

Mr Khan left Washwood Heath a year later to found the independent Islamic Hamd House Preparatory School in Small Heath, Birmingham, where he is headmaster.

Earlier this year, he was appointed as a governor of Anderton Park Primary School, in Sparkbrook, Birmingham.

A former Washwood Heath colleague laughed openly when told of Mr Khan's role as an Ofsted inspector where he has the responsibility for passing or failing schools.

He said: "Given the man's history, it's absolutely astonishing. It's just the cheek of the man that he's been able to reach that position. He always was an extremely clever man.

"He gave me many insights into the Islamic cause and their hatred of the US and the Western World. He had a big support base among some of the Muslim parents.

"But there were some very influential, radical elements at Washwood Heath at that time and Israr Khan was very close to all that."

Earlier this year, Anderton Park, where 99.5 per cent of the pupils are Asian, received a dismal Ofsted report which branded its teaching and its achievements as inadequate.

One Muslim father, who asked to be known only as Mohammed, said: "As a governor, Mr Khan will be able to exert a great deal of influence over the school and its policies.

"By his previous actions, he seems to represent what I would call a hardcore attitude to Islam."

Mr Khan declined to comment about his appointment, waving questions away at his large home in Moseley, Birmingham.

An Ofsted spokesman said: "Israr Khan was appointed as an additional inspector via a highly competitive recruitment and selection process. He has undergone all the relevant security checks."


Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=407795&in_page_id=1770)

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Mr Khan

Got any new racist rants?:rolleyes:

Or maybe they thought he was a moderate muslim since "He had a big support base among some of the Muslim parents."?


Meh ... why not? We elected a born-again fundie Christian President ...

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twice.

Got any new racist rants?:rolleyes:

Indulge me with less kneejerk comments in the future, please.

Got any new racist rants?:rolleyes:
Of course not. That would require too much independent thought and articulation.
He just rehashes the old ones. Have to give Ny his dues though. He's like the energiser bunny: he never gets tired of saying the same old racist shit over and over again.

Of course not. That would require too much independent thought and articulation.
He just rehashes the old ones. Have to give Ny his dues though. He's like the energiser bunny: he never gets tired of saying the same old racist shit over and over again.

Sheep Alert! Mass producing replies now:

Indulge me with less kneejerk comments in the future, please.

It's always Jesus this and Allah that, isn't it? Well, what about HUITZILOPOCHTLI?! HUH?

Why won't you people put aside your petty squabbling for once, and spare a moment to worry about providing this hummingbird-shaped God of War with the fresh human hearts he craves?!

Normally I don't even bother responding to Ny's threads, but I agree with him on this one. If some Christian jumped up in the middle of s school hollidays recital and yelled, "You can't sing Muslim songs!" (I don't know if there are any) or something like that or, "what do you think you're doing putting Jewish songs in the Christmas show!" I certainly would not want that person to have any government position at all.

Sheep Alert! Mass producing replies now:

Indulge me with less kneejerk comments in the future, please.

Maybe you could indulge us with less old racist threads then

Sheep Alert! Mass producing replies now:

Indulge me with less kneejerk comments in the future, please.

I gave you a real reply. Prove you're not trolling and actually reply to it. :p

This man hasn't got a criminal record. By the articles admission he is a "very clever man". He's been employed by OFSTED because of his ability as a maths teacher not because of his political or religious views. Do you know about his role within the system ? Its to support and improve the teaching system through critical analysis. I doubt he will get religious rants into the teaching of Mathematics. If anything this reduces contact with children so I really don't see the problem

If some Christian jumped up in the middle of s school hollidays recital and yelled, "You can't sing Muslim songs!" (I don't know if there are any) or something like that or, "what do you think you're doing putting Jewish songs in the Christmas show!" I certainly would not want that person to have any government position at all.

Oh ... you'd be surprised how many do that sort of thing and are in power.

Remember: The current administration is the one who put a sheet over Lady Liberty because her boobies were exposed.

This man hasn't got a criminal record. By the articles admission he is a "very clever man". He's been employed by OFSTED because of his ability as a maths teacher not because of his political or religious views. Do you know about his role within the system ? Its to support and improve the teaching system through critical analysis. I doubt he will get religious rants into the teaching of Mathematics. If anything this reduces contact with children so I really don't see the problem
Of course you don't see the problem.
Mainly because, unlike others on this forum, you don't have an indepth and irrational level of fear and hatred towards anyone who is Muslim, simply because they are Muslim.

Maybe you could indulge us with less old racist threads then

Ah the originality! At least you could have used another word instead of indulge. :rolleyes:

And on a side note why did you feel the need to show us a picture of Mr Khan. What does it bring to the discussion ?

Ah the originality! At least you could have used another word instead of indulge. :rolleyes:

Hey you're right, it's not very original to call you a racist. It's sort of like how it's not very original to point out on a hot day how the temperature is hot.

Meh ... why not? We elected a born-again fundie Christian President ...

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twice.

Once. The first time around he was appointed by the supreme court.

And on a side note why did you feel the need to show us a picture of Mr Khan. What does it bring to the discussion ?

Cuz anyone in a beard and disha dasha *must* be a terrorist!

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Peace train sounding louder
Glide on the peace train
Come on now peace train
Yes, peace train holy roller

This man hasn't got a criminal record. By the articles admission he is a "very clever man". He's been employed by OFSTED because of his ability as a maths teacher not because of his political or religious views. Do you know about his role within the system ? Its to support and improve the teaching system through critical analysis. I doubt he will get religious rants into the teaching of Mathematics. If anything this reduces contact with children so I really don't see the problem

And I quote:


One Muslim father, who asked to be known only as Mohammed, said: "As a governor, Mr Khan will be able to exert a great deal of influence over the school and its policies.

:rolleyes:

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!
God forbid they'd learn better mathematics from someone who comes from the very people who invented the concept of zero.

Ah the originality! At least you could have used another word instead of indulge. :rolleyes:

Ok....I promise not to us 'indulge' in my next 10 posts, if you promise not to use 'muslim'

Oh ... you'd be surprised how many do that sort of thing and are in power.

Remember: The current administration is the one who put a sheet over Lady Liberty because her boobies were exposed.

Yeah, I know there are groups that have had problems with mixing Hanaka (I'm not going to even try to spell it) and Christmas in our schools and calling it Winter break instead of Christmas vacation and all that, and they have the right to have and voice their opinions, but as long as they aren't in a position to make actual decisions then that's fine. Mr. Khan can stand up in a school recital and make kids cry if he wants, but I don't believe anyone who is that much of a fundamentalist should be in government. I recognize we have Christian fundamentalists making decisions in school districts here, but I also think they should be thrown out on their ears and, thankfully, they often are when they try to do stupid things like censor science books.

Which brings me to wonder something. Since he is in charge of deciding whether academic standards are being met, how do you think he'll judge science classes that teach evolution? He'll probably start emailing Christians here to ask them how they have had any success at stamping out this affront to God.. er Allah (PBUH).

Once. The first time around he was appointed by the supreme court.

Shhhhh ... damnit, DCD ... now you're going to bring out the Bush-humpers and armchair legal experts!

Oh well .... bring 'em on.

daily mail :rolleyes: the paper that said "hurrah for the blackshirts" isnt the most trusted of sources is it

anyway i would rather have him, a clever mathmetician away for the kids buried in reports rather than teaching them, and his maths skills will come in handy.

Hey you're right, it's not very original to call you a racist. It's sort of like how it's not very original to point out on a hot day how the temperature is hot.

And the sheep chantings continue! No surprises yet!

And I quote:

One Muslim father, who asked to be known only as Mohammed, said: "As a governor, Mr Khan will be able to exert a great deal of influence over the school and its policies.


Okay I'll bite

Answer: This "Muslim Father" like you does not know what his job entails therefore making the assumption that he will have any affect. I will repeat that as an OFSTED inspector he will be assigned a specific subject usually based on what they taught as a teacher, in this case Mathematics. He will not change anything due to his religious or political beliefs because thats above his station.

And what about the fact that he will have less contact with children? That must make you feel better !

Now then Nordy,

Is it because of the way Allah decreed how a simultaneous equation should be done?

Or the heinous Muslim attitude to that evil Pi?

Since when do the governors exert great influence on the school? They manage things like new buildings, but they're not interested in teaching or the students, at least not at my school. We don't even know the governors' names. And like some have said, there are equally insane fundies in much more important government positions.

Okay I'll bite

Answer: This "Muslim Father" like you does not know what his job entails therefore making the assumption that he will have any affect. I will repeat that as an OFSTED inspector he will be assigned a specific subject usually based on what they taught as a teacher, in this case Mathematics. He will not change anything due to his religious or political beliefs because thats above his station.

And what about the fact that he will have less contact with children? That must make you feel better !

What would make me feel better would be to see him getting deported. Afterall, people shouldnt live in places that they hate. And why is this guy selected? Is there a OFSTED inspector candidate shortage that they sunk this low to get such employees?

Okay I'll bite

Answer: This "Muslim Father" like you does not know what his job entails therefore making the assumption that he will have any affect. I will repeat that as an OFSTED inspector he will be assigned a specific subject usually based on what they taught as a teacher, in this case Mathematics. He will not change anything due to his religious or political beliefs because thats above his station.

And what about the fact that he will have less contact with children? That must make you feel better !

Okay, that actually sounds like a good idea now. Let him judge math performance and keep him away from the kids. Now I kinda like it. We should actually take a page from that book here. Anytime some relgious studies professor decides to try to get a stupid warning in a science textbook about evolution just being one theory among many we say, "We're promoting you to religious studies inspector."

This may actually be very clever.

I’d be far more worried by the large amount of Faith Schools being set up by Labour, and being paid for by taxpayers money. That is, if I didn’t live in Scotland and actually payed taxes.

Gooooooooooooooooooooo higher education!

What would make me feel better would be to see him getting deported. Afterall, people shouldnt live in places that they hate.

I think what you meant to say is, "People shouldn't live in places if I hate them."

And why is this guy selected? Is there a OFSTED inspector candidate shortage that they sunk this low to get such employees?

Sunk so low? As to get a Muslim?

What would make me feel better would be to see him getting deported.
Doing that would require guts and strength, something this government has always lacked when faced with these dregs of society.

Is there a OFSTED inspector candidate shortage that they sunk this low to get such employees?
They're only doing what the government is no doubt encouraging them to do - crawl up muslim extremists' arses.

Excuse me, but would it be too much to ask for government officials who are not religious (or any other sort of) psychopaths? Inevitably, most "liberals" here will jump on NN without second thought. However, I think this article merits serious consideration. The government should be expected to be fair and just, as well as efficient. Saying "oh but we elected Bush" in response is pathetic. It ignores the real issue. Unless PC and "tolerance" comes before objectivity...

Saying "oh but we elected Bush" in response is pathetic.
Definitely agree with that. They shouldn't judge our country by their standards.

Definitely agree with that. They shouldn't judge our country by their standards.
They forget that it is their idiocy (and the foolishness that is "democracy") that got Bush elected - on the other hand, these sort of officials are usually arbitrarily appointed.

Excuse me, but would it be too much to ask for government officials who are not religious (or any other sort of) psychopaths? Inevitably, most "liberals" here will jump on NN without second thought. However, I think this article merits serious consideration. The government should be expected to be fair and just, as well as efficient. Saying "oh but we elected Bush" in response is pathetic. It ignores the real issue. Unless PC and "tolerance" comes before objectivity...

Please...this type of response doesnt even deserve liberals in quotes. Let's just call that Kneejerk PCness...

However, I think this article merits serious consideration.

Not really. Op/Ed is, at best, public toilet reading material.

Hey, just noticed something
Congrats to Ny on his 20th thread about race

Definitely agree with that. They shouldn't judge our country by their standards.

Oh and I still remember how both democrats and republicans were clapping Bush thunderously in ther parliment when he was declaring war to Iraq. I guess Americans usually follow the flow and that's why many of their movies say "be yourself" at the end. Impossible not to notice.

Hey, just noticed something
Congrats to Ny on his 20th thread about race

This calls for celebration! I know what my gift would be. Who gave him the word "Kneejerk?" He's really happy with that one.

Not really. Op/Ed is, at best, public toilet reading material.
So we should then ignore the fact that radicals oversee something as fundamental as education? If this man, were say, a member of the God Hates Fags cult, would you not protest his appointment in government? A private school can do pretty much what it wants (within reason, lest consumers abandon it), or rather what its consumers want; government schools, on the other hand, should be committed to government ideals. If one of these is open-minded education, appointing outspoken radicals is not the smartest thing to do.

I think its quite nice that the feeble minded people of the world, like Nordy, have somewhere to type funny stuff.

Oh and I still remember how both democrats and republicans (in the government, not among the people) were clapping Bush thunderously in ther parliment when he was declaring war to Iraq. I guess Americans usually follow the flow and that's why many of their movies say "be yourself" at the end. Impossible not to notice.

Corrected. Carry on.

So we should then ignore the fact that radicals oversee something as fundamental as education?

I've yet to see any proof of this man as a radical.

If this man, were say, a member of the God Hates Fags cult, would you not protest his appointment in government?

We already have a member of the "God Hates Fags" cult in the Oval Office. While not a member of the Westborough Baptist Church, he *does* believe the Biblical stance on homosexuality.

I do protest his "Presidency" every chance I get, yes.

Personally, I think being exposed to british youth will do him a lot of good. :)

I've yet to see any proof of this man as a radical.

He leapt from his seat, yelling: "Who is your God? Why are you saying Jesus and Jesus Christ? God is not your God - it is Allah."
Someone like that shouldn't even be allowed in this country, let alone a position like that.

I've yet to see any proof of this man as a radical.
Read some of his comments on Christianity? I don't think this man is very fair-minded.

Corrected. Carry on.

WTF? Cant you be correct even once? Most Americans supported Iraq war and approval ratings of Bush was very high at first.
Now that things in Iraq are bad, they are starting to critisize Bush. They are just going with the flow again.

Someone like that shouldn't even be allowed in this country, let alone a position like that.

Why do you hate freedom? Is he not allowed his beliefs?

Being religious does not make one a radical.

WTF? Cant you be correct even once? Most Americans supported Iraq war and approval ratings of Bush was very high at first.

A great many of us were against it from the get-go. Now we just get to say "I told you so".

Now that things in Iraq are bad, they are starting to critisize Bush. They are just going with the flow again.

I know! Tough to believe someone would change their minds when new information comes to light! Nobody should change their minds ever!

WTF? Cant you be correct even once? Most Americans supported Iraq war and approval ratings of Bush was very high at first.
Now that things in Iraq are bad, they are starting to critisize Bush. They are just going with the flow again.
Soooo, you don't think that their opinion of Bush and therefore the war may, just may, have been influenced by the fact that... things in Iraq are bad?

A great many of us were against it from the get-go. Now we just get to say "I told you so".



I know! Tough to believe someone would change their minds when new information comes to light! Nobody should change their minds ever!

Oh. The fact that Iraq and 9/11 was unrelated, was new information?

Why do you hate freedom? Is he not allowed his beliefs?
I think when his beliefs conflict with the overall good of society (Which they are by his presence here), he shouldn't be allowed his beliefs. Unlike your country, ours was never founded on the principle that we should bend over backwards for whatever whining minorities and religious fanatics.

Being religious does not make one a radical.
Still makes him an undesireable who should have no place in our society.

I think when his beliefs conflict with the overall good of society (Which they are by his presence here), he shouldn't be allowed his beliefs.
Now this is plain stupid - you would want the freedom of speech limited due to disliking what some people have to say? :confused: This sounds like a bad form of utilitarian expedience.

Still makes him an undesireable who should have no place in our society.
Being religious does?

Most Americans supported Iraq war and approval ratings of Bush was very high at first.

How the hell would you know?

Most of the people supported the Iraq War because they were naive enough to believe the Bush Adminstration whe they said that Iraq was an iminent threat and possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction and the reason we were going in was to neutralize that threat.

Have you notice how quickly support melted away when we found out they were talking out their asses?

We didn't give a shit that they were muslim. Only that they were(so we were led to believe) dangerous. and that they had oil.

Soooo, you don't think that their opinion of Bush and therefore the war may, just may, have been influenced by the fact that... things in Iraq are bad?

It was predicted that things would go bad. Susan Sarandon said it and she was chanted as traitor. I say some unconventinal things and sheep chant racist.

Oh. The fact that Iraq and 9/11 was unrelated, was new information?

Many Americans were duped into believing there was a connection. They know better now.

It's sort of like that age old "oh, no honey, I'm not married" routine. Even though it's not *new* information that the guy is married, do you think the girl should stay with him when she finds out he is married?

Wouldn't want her to flip-flop, after all ...

Many Americans were duped into believing there was a connection. They know better now.

It's sort of like that age old "oh, no honey, I'm not married" routine. Even though it's not *new* information that the guy is married, do you think the girl should stay with him when she finds out he is married?

Wouldn't want her to flip-flop, after all ...

I guess one of my points is Americans are easily duped. And another one is that I'm not surprised with so many kneejerk reactions here since this is a majority American forum.

What's not clear from the story is this - was this "promotion" really just a means of sticking him in a do-nothing job where he can spout off about this and that and the higher-ups can just pat him on that head and say, "That's right, Mr. Khan. We'll take care of the evil Christmas trees" when they really have no intention of doing so? Or is this a legitimate position where he really does wield some influence and can recruit kids into becoming radical, West-hating Muslims?

If it's the former, then this is a brilliant move. Of course, so was making Theodore Roosevelt the VP of the United States (which was mainly done in order to give him a do-nothing job so he couldn't start the Progressive reforms...we all know how that worked out, but I assume this guy isn't one dead leader away from being too dangerous.) If it's the latter, it's a really bad move and the British education services should be condemned. I am thinking it's more along the lines of the former, though not completely.

Also, no matter how much of a radical asshat he is, the British government doesn't really have the right or the reason to deport him, considering he's legal there (I can't imagine that he isn't; no illegal immigrant would get that far in the education system) and, as far as I can tell, he hasn't actually committed a crime. To deport him would be either a racist, bigoted, anti-Muslim, or colossally boneheaded act. To deport radical Muslims who don't play by the rules is a much better idea (and if my memory serves correctly, a number of the 9/11 hijackers were those who didn't follow proper immigration and visa procedures in the U.S., so simply enforcing its own rules would have prevented or at least weakened the effect of 9/11.) If the British are just trying to put this guy in a position where he thinks he has influence but he really doesn't, then they deserve a round of applause.

Now this is plain stupid - you would want the freedom of speech limited due to disliking what some people have to say? :confused: This sounds like a bad form of utilitarian expedience.
There have always been limits on freedom of speech. I'm afraid I don't go for the whole "It's my religion so I should be able to do whatever I like!" clause. Dangerous cults like Scientology have been placed under government scrutiny and have not been recognised as a legitimate religious organisation, with all the limits on free speech that come with it (Particularly true in Germany). I don't see why this status shouldn't extend to islam, which is more dangerous than any other traditionally recognised cults I've ever seen.

Being religious does?
Not necessarily being religious, but I think being muslim does, particularly if you're a fanatic like him.

There have always been limits on freedom of speech. I'm afraid I don't go for the whole "It's my religion so I should be able to do whatever I like!" clause. Dangerous cults like Scientology have been placed under government scrutiny and have not been recognised as a legitimate religious organisation, with all the limits on free speech that come with it (Particularly true in Germany). I don't see why this status shouldn't extend to islam, which is more dangerous than any other traditionally recognised cults I've ever seen.


Not necessarily being religious, but I think being muslim does, particularly if you're a fanatic like him.
Did you just say that Muslims are undesirable in society?

Look, now there's two of them! Aww, look, Ny, you've got a friend. Ain't it cute.

I guess one of my points is Americans are easily duped. And another one is that I'm not surprised with so many kneejerk reactions here since this is a majority American forum.

Not so much as anyone else in the world. Humans have always had a herd mentality. I'm sure in your readings you've studied at least a little cultural anthropology.

Did you just say that Muslims are undesirable in society?

*shrug* He's entitled to his opinion.

As long as he's not going about destroying property or hurling rocks at people or spitting on children screaming "raghead get out", then it's fine.

But his opinion? While I don't agree with it, he's entitled to have it and express it peacefully.

There have always been limits on freedom of speech. I'm afraid I don't go for the whole "It's my religion so I should be able to do whatever I like!" clause. Dangerous cults like Scientology have been placed under government scrutiny and have not been recognised as a legitimate religious organisation, with all the limits on free speech that come with it (Particularly true in Germany). I don't see why this status shouldn't extend to islam, which is more dangerous than any other traditionally recognised cults I've ever seen.
I cannot agree with limits on the freedom of speech - only if someone resorts to physical threat or violence, then is their cause for their detainment and subsequent punishment. I heavily distrust governments and their arbitrary powers, and I therefore see any restriction on the freedom of speech as unwarranted. Why can't Islam be branded a cult? Because it's not one. Cults differ only in one regard to religions - their size.


Not necessarily being religious, but I think being muslim does, particularly if you're a fanatic like him.
If you're a fanatic in general, yes. I am no fan of Muslims, but this doesn't mean they should be deported just because of their religion (unless it crosses the borderline between religion and extremism - then a community may remove them). I apply this criteria even-handedly to all religions and individuals, more generally. What annoys me now is that communities cannot include or exclude individuals as they please (as the cantons in Switzerland do). Ideally, if a given community wants to exclude you, all it has to do is avoid selling or renting property to people it doesn't want to associate with - given the multitude of communities, they can turn elsewhere.

I guess one of my points is Americans are easily duped. And another one is that I'm not surprised with so many kneejerk reactions here since this is a majority American forum.

hardly; there were plenty of Americans who thought Iraq was a bad idea. Granted, we were a minority, but I could have told you this would happen. Simply put, we invaded, we took out a stabilizing force, people resisted, the country descended into chaos, and an angry majority unites under the banner of someone who is anti-American and an Islamist. Give it 10-15 years, and people will pine for Saddam's regime the way some in Iran pine for the Shah. I hate to tell people, "Told you so," but invading Iraq was an insanely bad idea.

Aside from that, they mismanaged Afghanistan. We could have turned Afghanistan into a functioning democracy by now, complete with economic reforms and such, or at the very least we could have installed a Syngman Rhee-type person who may be tough but gets things done. Given time, democracy would evolve as it did in South Korea and the Republic of China (Taiwan, for those of you who choose to be clods.) Now we let the Taliban back into power. Smooth, people. And by "people" I mean "the neocon fuckwits in power."

What's not clear from the story is this - was this "promotion" really just a means of sticking him in a do-nothing job where he can spout off about this and that and the higher-ups can just pat him on that head and say, "That's right, Mr. Khan. We'll take care of the evil Christmas trees" when they really have no intention of doing so? Or is this a legitimate position where he really does wield some influence and can recruit kids into becoming radical, West-hating Muslims?

If it's the former, then this is a brilliant move. Of course, so was making Theodore Roosevelt the VP of the United States (which was mainly done in order to give him a do-nothing job so he couldn't start the Progressive reforms...we all know how that worked out, but I assume this guy isn't one dead leader away from being too dangerous.) If it's the latter, it's a really bad move and the British education services should be condemned. I am thinking it's more along the lines of the former, though not completely.

Also, no matter how much of a radical asshat he is, the British government doesn't really have the right or the reason to deport him, considering he's legal there (I can't imagine that he isn't; no illegal immigrant would get that far in the education system) and, as far as I can tell, he hasn't actually committed a crime. To deport him would be either a racist, bigoted, anti-Muslim, or colossally boneheaded act. To deport radical Muslims who don't play by the rules is a much better idea (and if my memory serves correctly, a number of the 9/11 hijackers were those who didn't follow proper immigration and visa procedures in the U.S., so simply enforcing its own rules would have prevented or at least weakened the effect of 9/11.) If the British are just trying to put this guy in a position where he thinks he has influence but he really doesn't, then they deserve a round of applause.



"He gave me many insights into the Islamic cause and their hatred of the US and the Western World. He had a big support base among some of the Muslim parents.

"But there were some very influential, radical elements at Washwood Heath at that time and Israr Khan was very close to all that."



"By his previous actions, he seems to represent what I would call a hardcore attitude to Islam."


Why is this man still in Britain, let alone being appointed in a goverment job?

Why is this man still in Britain, let alone being appointed in a goverment job?

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Have you learned nothing? :p

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Have you learned nothing? :p

*stifles a reply*

Did you just say that Muslims are undesirable in society?
Ghettoisation of once decent towns and cities, honour killings, islamic extremism, I could go on all day. All excellent parts of Britain's vibrant multicultural society I suppose?

I cannot agree with limits on the freedom of speech - only if someone resorts to physical threat or violence, then is their cause for their detainment and subsequent punishment. I heavily distrust governments and their arbitrary powers, and I therefore see any restriction on the freedom of speech as unwarranted. Why can't Islam be branded a cult? Because it's not one. Cults differ only in one regard to religions - their size.
Countries all over Europe have had limits on freedom of speech while not turning despotic and remaining largely democratic. I think that's one mistake a lot of Americans are prone to making, they act like if there's the slightest limit on freedom of speech they'll end up being like Hitler's Germany. As for the classification of cults, I don't see why size should be a factor. Islam (Like many other religions) has a lot in common with other cults, so if size is a limit then the definition of a cult needs changing.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
I think keeping your enemies further away (As in the next flight out) is a much safer way of doing things.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Have you learned nothing? :p

Except that these enemies breed like rabbids as well as continually immigrating to UK. I guess what you are suggesting is that british keep these people closer until they are overrun. Maybe it's your subconsciousness giving you these "great" advices, considering, afterall you are a muslim as well.

Does this inspector role actually give him that much power? I mean, if he abuses his position, won't it be obvious and get him fired? Regardless, I'd prefer to keep religious influence out of school, but that's a pretty ambitious aim.

Anyway, to people who disagree with Ny Nordland (on whatever issue) you're not going to get anywhere by just attacking his character. He'll just become defensive. If you really want to change someone's mind, you have to debate rationally with them, so that the logic or lack thereof in each side's arguments will become apparent.

Countries all over Europe have had limits on freedom of speech while not turning despotic and remaining largely democratic. I think that's one mistake a lot of Americans are prone to making, they act like if there's the slightest limit on freedom of speech they'll end up being like Hitler's Germany. As for the classification of cults, I don't see why size should be a factor. Islam (Like many other religions) has a lot in common with other cults, so if size is a limit then the definition of a cult needs changing.
Countries all over Europe baby their citizens - they are hardly the best example, nor are they the most conducive to intellectual development nowadays. And anyways, Europe's ECHR actually bans most limits on freedom of speech. Curbing our freedom of speech at the expense of radicals is defeatism.

Religions are just essentially overgrown cults. ;)

Except that these enemies breed like rabbids as well as continually immigrating to UK.

"Rabbids?" You mean rabbits. Or perhaps "vermin?"

I guess what you are suggesting is that british keep these people closer until they are overrun. Maybe it's your subconsciousness giving you these "great" advices, considering, afterall you are a muslim as well.

Overrun - ah yes, your favourite topic: Immigration Is Invasion And Genocide.

As for dismissing people because they are Muslim - jeez, I guess I must be IMAGINING your shameless bigotry. This time. Must be another Kneejerk Reaction Strawman!

Ghettoisation of once decent towns and cities, honour killings, islamic extremism, I could go on all day. All excellent parts of Britain's vibrant multicultural society I suppose?

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Not to mention these:


Asians 'behind most racial violence'

....

He said that in the past 12 months there had been 572 racial incidents, 60% of which were committed by Asians against white men.

...

The meeting follows an attack last week by a group of Asian men on a white man who was left seriously injured.

The victim, 23-year-old Mark Clayton, was stabbed twice in the leg and lost about five pints of blood when a main artery was severed.

Other recent incidents include one in which a white man was hit on the head by Asian assailants who then set their Rottweiler dog on him.

...

"The report of Greater Manchester Police, from which the figures are taken, does point out that Oldham has for a number of years had a system of reporting which is better developed than in the other boroughs.

"Oldham Council is not complacent about the situation, but we do argue that Oldham is not substantially different from other similar sized towns in the region where the racial and cultural mix of the population is comparable to ours," he said.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1160552.stm

Due to 5 years increase in Political Correctness "Progressiveness" (!!!!), I cant imagine BBC giving news like this anymore!

Why is this man still in Britain, let alone being appointed in a goverment job?

As I said before, he has some influence over people. If they deport him, people get mad, and the British have a crisis on their hands. If they put him in a position where he really can't do anything, all he can do is blab, and people who aren't influenced by him will continue to be not influenced by him.

Maybe it's your subconsciousness giving you these "great" advices, considering, afterall you are a muslim as well.

You don't like it when people make personal attacks at you; I suggest affording them the same courtesy. This has been your "Don't Be a Hypocrite" public service announcement.

I think keeping your enemies further away (As in the next flight out) is a much safer way of doing things.

Coward.

I'm beginning to think that somehow some people in the West are developing Stockholm Syndrome. I mean this is too moronic even for the standarts of some "ZOMG!!! We need more diversity coz it GOOOD!!!1!one!1!!" type Political Correctness People.
Or maybe they thought he was a moderate muslim since "He had a big support base among some of the Muslim parents."?




Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=407795&in_page_id=1770)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2093/khan300906228x532dv6.jpg
Mr Khan

The Brits better take up arms before it's too late.

It is truly depressing to witness Western Europe commit cultural suicide before our very eyes.

Take it back, Europe! Reclaim your heritage and purge yourselves, or soon you'll find your women wearing black sacks and your barbers out of business. To say the least.

Countries all over Europe baby their citizens - they are hardly the best example, nor are they the most conducive to intellectual development nowadays.
Maybe, but when I compare America to most European countries, the European ones are societies that I would much rather live in.

And anyways, Europe's ECHR actually bans most limits on freedom of speech.
Ignore it.

Maybe it's your subconsciousness giving you these "great" advices, considering, afterall you are a muslim as well.

I was muslim for exactly 14 months of my 34 year long life.

I haven't been muslim for nearly a year now.

Do try to keep up.

Maybe, but when I compare America to most European countries, the European ones are societies that I would much rather live in.
I haven't been to the US to be able to judge, but I doubt I'd want to live in most areas of the country.


Ignore it.
Why? It's one of the only useful aspects of the silly charter.

I was muslim for exactly 14 months of my 34 year long life.

I haven't been muslim for nearly a year now.

Is Madonna by any chance an idol of yours? :)

Is Madonna by any chance an idol of yours? :)

*chuckle* No ...

But I firmly believe in trying new things. Born Jewish, I became a Buddhist at 15, a Muslim at 32, and back to Buddhism at 33.

I haven't changed nearly as much as Madonna. ;)

The Brits better take up arms before it's too late.

It is truly depressing to witness Western Europe commit cultural suicide before our very eyes.

Take it back, Europe! Reclaim your heritage and purge yourselves, or soon you'll find your women wearing black sacks and your barbers out of business. To say the least.

Yeah! Purge, purge Europe of its filth! Violence is needed! Final Solution, that's what we need for the Muslim Problem!

And anyone who says I bear any resemblence to nazis is just a liberal libtard lib lib liberal!

As I said before, he has some influence over people. If they deport him, people get mad, and the British have a crisis on their hands. If they put him in a position where he really can't do anything, all he can do is blab, and people who aren't influenced by him will continue to be not influenced by him.



You don't like it when people make personal attacks at you; I suggest affording them the same courtesy. This has been your "Don't Be a Hypocrite" public service announcement.

If people get mad, they should deport those people as well. Modern air travel is fast and efficient. In fact it'd be ideal if they deport all muslims while they are at it...

*chuckle* No ...

But I firmly believe in trying new things. Born Jewish, I became a Buddhist at 15, a Muslim at 32, and back to Buddhism at 33.

I haven't changed nearly as much as Madonna. ;)
Meh, I am contemplating giving Satanism and Paganism both a try - I doubt I'll end up switching religions (more likely integrating them), but it's worth experimenting. ^^

If people get mad, they should deport those people as well. Modern air travel is fast and efficient. In fact it'd be ideal if they deport all muslims while they are at it...

Wouldn't it be cheaper and more efficient to just deport you? :D

If people get mad, they should deport those people as well. Modern air travel is fast and efficient. In fact it'd be ideal if they deport all muslims while they are at it...

Actually, it'd be ideal if they worked to preserve the concept of religious freedom, and didn't deport or "purge" people simply based on what religion they practice. Nor deport people for "getting mad" about repression, since people do have the freedom to experience whatever emotion they like, and even in some places express dissenting opinions you may not agree with!

Not that you care about freedom or anything.

Coward.
Not really, it's just a sensible no-fuss way of getting rid of people like this.

If people get mad, they should deport those people as well. Modern air travel is fast and efficient. In fact it'd be ideal if they deport all muslims while they are at it...

That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. Here we are with the whole "All Muslims are terrorists" argument, or whatever argument you're trying to provide here. No, not all Muslims are terrorists. No, deporting all the Muslims is not a good idea, nor is it reasonable considering how many are there legally. And yes, all the immigrants probably would have to be deported. We'll have us a nice, white, paranoid Europe. Perfect for when the angry Muslims all get together and declare war on us, and Europe actually gives them a reason, however insane, to do so.

Also, modern air travel as fast and efficient? There's a good reason I prefer to drive, and it isn't the scenery...

Wouldn't it be cheaper and more efficient to just deport you? :D

baZING! *high five*

baZING! *high five*

*high five* :D

Like dunking on a five year old. :)

That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. Here we are with the whole "All Muslims are terrorists" argument, or whatever argument you're trying to provide here. No, not all Muslims are terrorists. No, deporting all the Muslims is not a good idea, nor is it reasonable considering how many are there legally. And yes, all the immigrants probably would have to be deported. We'll have us a nice, white, paranoid Europe. Perfect for when the angry Muslims all get together and declare war on us, and Europe actually gives them a reason, however insane, to do so.

Also, modern air travel as fast and efficient? There's a good reason I prefer to drive, and it isn't the scenery...

I never said all muslims are terrorists. Some of them are. And most muslims are incompatible with european culture as evidenced by honour killings, my-daughter-cant-go-to-swimming-practice fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in crime rates, overrepresentation in violance against women and as evidenced by Khan's pic, some of them's fashion sense, etc....

Wow. I'm not a racist, but when it comes to this issue... well, maybe, just maybe, although it pains me to admit it, maybe Ny Nordland does have a point - I'm not saying that Islam is a bad or evil religion, or anything like that, I'm just saying that anyone, Muslim or Christian, who was so extremely religious and did something like that guy did... well, maybe that kind of person shouldn't have gotten a job in the public school system.
(Please note that I am not a racist, and find racism disgusting - I don't hate Arabs or anything, I just agree that this individual might have been a poor choice for the job he got, alright?)
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go wash - I feel dirty after agreeing with any point raised by Ny Nordland, even if only peripheraly.

Wow. I'm not a racist, but when it comes to this issue... well, maybe, just maybe, although it pains me to admit it, maybe Ny Nordland does have a point - I'm not saying that Islam is a bad or evil religion, or anything like that, I'm just saying that anyone, Muslim or Christian, who was so extremely religious and did something like that guy did... well, maybe that kind of person shouldn't have gotten a job in the public school system.
(Please note that I am not a racist, and find racism disgusting - I don't hate Arabs or anything, I just agree that this individual might have been a poor choice for the job he got, alright?)
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go wash - I feel dirty after agreeing with any point raised by Ny Nordland, even if only peripheraly.
Erm, just state what you think - there is no need to be so wishy-washy.

I never said all muslims are terrorists. Some of them are. And most muslims are incompatible with european culture as evidenced by honour killings, my-daughter-cant-go-to-swimming-practice fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in crime rates, overrepresentation in violance against women and as evidenced by Khan's pic, some of them's fashion sense, etc....
Modern European culture. ;)

I never said all muslims are terrorists. Some of them are. And most muslims are incompatible with european culture as evidenced by honour killings, my-daughter-cant-go-to-swimming-practice fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in crime rates, overrepresentation in violance against women and as evidenced by Khan's pic, some of them's fashion sense, etc....

"I never said all Jews are bloodsuckers. Some of them are. And most Jews are incompatible with european culture as evidenced by baby mutilations, our-daughters-can't-eat-pork fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in the international banking services, media and mercantile industries, overrepresentation in violence against Germany as evidenced by the World Jewish Congress declaring war, some of them's fashion sense, etc..."

"Oh and I'm not a bigot or racist. I just think we should deport all Jews. And anyone who is a Jew-lover."

"I never said all Jews are bloodsuckers. Some of them are. And most Jews are incompatible with european culture as evidenced by baby mutilations, our-daughters-can't-eat-pork fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in the international banking services, media and mercantile industries, overrepresentation in violence against Germany as evidenced by the World Jewish Congress declaring war, some of them's fashion sense, etc..."

"Oh and I'm not a bigot or racist. I just think we should deport all Jews. And anyone who is a Jew-lover."

Now do it in black english...:p

Erm, just state what you think - there is no need to be so wishy-washy.

Give him/her some credit. S/He had to say that s/he isnt a racist or doesnt hate arabs, ...etc like 5 times just to state that opinion. It's like watching single cell organisms evolve to multiple cell organisms.

Give him/her some credit. S/He had to say that s/he isnt a racist or doesnt hate arabs, ...etc like 5 times just to state that opinion. It's like watching single cell organisms evolve to multiple cell organisms.
Which involves all the fun of watching paint dry, and so much more! ^^

Which involves all the fun of watching paint dry, and so much more! ^^

True but there is always Trostia to say something he thinks is relevant. And then angry villagers with torchers chanting witch, err racist...It's all a cycle...

Remember: The current administration is the one who put a sheet over Lady Liberty because her boobies were exposed.

That is pathetic. :rolleyes:

I never said all muslims are terrorists. Some of them are. And most muslims are incompatible with european culture as evidenced by honour killings, my-daughter-cant-go-to-swimming-practice fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in crime rates, overrepresentation in violance against women and as evidenced by Khan's pic, some of them's fashion sense, etc....

Right, because all Muslims are like that. Granted, the ones you hear about in the news are. As such, they should be prosecuted under the laws of the land...those who commit honor killings, violence, and any other kind of crime. Those who don't want to live by the laws of the land should either lobby to change them or leave. (I assume that a law allowing honor killings would be shot down as quickly as a sitcom starring the Ayatollah.) Those who choose to stay and violate the laws should be treated as criminals. Plain and simple. None of this "well, you're a Muslim, so it's within your culture" and none of this "leave now, Muslim; you're not welcome here." Those who decide to be peaceful should be allowed to go about their daily lives. THose who don't? Let's just say Scotland Yard won't get bored.

I could cry. This a black day for England, education, and a return to form for Labour. English education is in an extantly abysmal state at present. What it requires is a council of Oxbridge academics to ameliorate it, not the input of a politicised, fundamentalist PR show pony for New Labour.

I could cry. This a black day for England, education, and a return to form for Labour. English education is in an extantly abysmal state at present. What it requires is a council of Oxbridge academics to ameliorate it, not the input of a politicised, fundamentalist PR show pony for New Labour.

Unfortunately it's not limited to schools:


Asians 'behind most racial violence'

....

He said that in the past 12 months there had been 572 racial incidents, 60% of which were committed by Asians against white men.

...

The meeting follows an attack last week by a group of Asian men on a white man who was left seriously injured.

The victim, 23-year-old Mark Clayton, was stabbed twice in the leg and lost about five pints of blood when a main artery was severed.

Other recent incidents include one in which a white man was hit on the head by Asian assailants who then set their Rottweiler dog on him.

...

"The report of Greater Manchester Police, from which the figures are taken, does point out that Oldham has for a number of years had a system of reporting which is better developed than in the other boroughs.

"Oldham Council is not complacent about the situation, but we do argue that Oldham is not substantially different from other similar sized towns in the region where the racial and cultural mix of the population is comparable to ours," he said.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1160552.stm

Due to 5 years increase in Political Correctness "Progressiveness" (!!!!), I cant imagine BBC giving news like this anymore!

AND

We never see EU commission making reports about these. Their focus is anti-semitism and islamophobia. :rolleyes: Majority is never a concern I guess. Whether it is the majority of the population or the majority of racial crime statistics.
On the good side, you are not as bad as France, with 10% muslim population.

Unfortunately it's not limited to schools:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1160552.stm

Due to 5 years increase in Political Correctness "Progressiveness" (!!!!), I cant imagine BBC giving news like this anymore!

AND

We never see EU commission making reports about these. Their focus is anti-semitism and islamophobia. :rolleyes: Majority is never a concern I guess. Whether it is the majority of the population or the majority of racial crime statistics.
On the good side, you are not as bad as France, with 10% muslim population.

That is precisely why I love Denmark. They have bollocks.

Why on earth aren't the counter-racist degenerates either shot, or hung in a public square?

We never see EU commission making reports about these. Their focus is anti-semitism and islamophobia. :rolleyes: Majority is never a concern I guess. Whether it is the majority of the population or the majority of racial crime statistics.
On the good side, you are not as bad as France, with 10% muslim population.
The funny thing is nowadays it is the "multicultural" Left which engages in anti-semitism, with its dislike towards Israel, pro-Muslim attitude and the fact that many in it are now beginning to link Capitalism with the Jews, as the Nazis once did with Communism. The EU in part also adopts this empty-minded line of thinking.

You are mistaken, however. The EU commission monitors everything. It is especially apprehensive about Turkey's admission nowadays, and Islamic fundamentalism, to give it its due credit.

That is precisely why I love Denmark. They have bollocks.

Why on earth aren't the counter-racist degenerates either shot, or hung in a public square?

Be optimistic, the whole continent is shifting to right, things will change. Even the socialist pm candidate who has won elections in Austria was criticizing right on being too soft on illegal immigrants. I'm not even talking about leftist utopia Netherlands.

Be optimistic, the whole continent is shifting to right, things will change. Even the socialist pm candidate who has won elections in Austria was criticizing right on being too soft on illegal immigrants. I'm not even talking about leftist utopia Netherlands.
That is for sure - Europe is definitely changing (perhaps for worse, but relative to what? previous policy has little of value in it, so little could be worse). I am not happy with the change in government in Austria, and it took me by surprise that the new PM actually criticised the Christian party on immigration. It's so very unlike the Left. :confused:

The funny thing is nowadays it is the "multicultural" Left which engages in anti-semitism, with its dislike towards Israel, pro-Muslim attitude and the fact that many in it are now beginning to link Capitalism with the Jews, as the Nazis once did with Communism. The EU in part also adopts this empty-minded line of thinking.

You are mistaken, however. The EU commission monitors everything. It is especially apprehensive about Turkey's admission nowadays, and Islamic fundamentalism, to give it its due credit.

We have reports on anti-semitizm, islamophobia, racism against blacks etc...When was a report published on racism against whites? Or the crime rates of minorities to give the other side of the story on whole "ZOMG!! Theu being diskriminaten!!!ne1one11!...

I cannot agree with limits on the freedom of speech - only if someone resorts to physical threat or violence, then is their cause for their detainment and subsequent punishment. I heavily distrust governments and their arbitrary powers, and I therefore see any restriction on the freedom of speech as unwarranted. Why can't Islam be branded a cult? Because it's not one. Cults differ only in one regard to religions - their size.



If you're a fanatic in general, yes. I am no fan of Muslims, but this doesn't mean they should be deported just because of their religion (unless it crosses the borderline between religion and extremism - then a community may remove them). I apply this criteria even-handedly to all religions and individuals, more generally. What annoys me now is that communities cannot include or exclude individuals as they please (as the cantons in Switzerland do). Ideally, if a given community wants to exclude you, all it has to do is avoid selling or renting property to people it doesn't want to associate with - given the multitude of communities, they can turn elsewhere.

Not quite. A cult is by definition a very small alien religious community. Although now it just tends to mean " A bunch of wackos who randomly commit suicide en mass." Most Muslims don't fall under the latter category.

We have reports on anti-semitizm, islamophobia, racism against blacks etc...When was a report published on racism against whites? Or the crime rates of minorities to give the other side of the story on whole "ZOMG!! Theu being diskriminaten!!!ne1one11!...
The EU does report on these things though. It has been studying intolerance on part of minorities and PC attitudes which foster these. So to blame the EU for this is not entirely fair.

That is for sure - Europe is definitely changing (perhaps for worse, but relative to what? previous policy has little of value in it, so little could be worse). I am not happy with the change in government in Austria, and it took me by surprise that the new PM actually criticised the Christian party on immigration. It's so very unlike the Left. :confused:

What other option do they have considering the "best example of multiculturalism in Europe" that is UK where most British think immigrants are a bad influence?

The EU does report on these things though. It has been studying intolerance on part of minorities and PC attitudes which foster these. So to blame the EU for this is not entirely fair.

It bloody well has not. No human rights watchdog, a superfluous entity in any case, will ever cite counter-racism for fear of being castigated as white supremacist. Why not simply concede that the plight of the white majority is to be disabused of its rights in favour of queues of newly arrived migrants from Bong Bongo land.

The EU does report on these things though. It has been studying intolerance on part of minorities and PC attitudes which foster these. So to blame the EU for this is not entirely fair.

links?

When was a report published on racism against whites?

When, oh when, will the White Man ever catch a break?

When, oh when, will the White Man ever catch a break?

Ironic though the above evidently is, you do make a reasonable point. Positive discrimination, disabuse of power and arbitrary characterisation are all endemic to the white majority.

Ironic though the above evidently is, you do make a reasonable point. Positive discrimination, disabuse of power and arbitrary characterisation are all endemic to the white majority.

Statistics, etc?

Ironic though the above evidently is, you do make a reasonable point. Positive discrimination, disabuse of power and arbitrary characterisation are all endemic to the white majority.

So true. And also we dont see 3rd world exodus to rich but non-white countries like Japan, Korea, etc...

:rolleyes:

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!
God forbid they'd learn better mathematics from someone who comes from the very people who invented the concept of zero.

Stupendous Badassness has it right. ;)

*regarding the quote in your sig*

links?
I'll look for some - I have studied reports by the EU in legal textbooks I did last year. The EU is not blind towards intolerance on part of minorities.

What other option do they have considering the "best example of multiculturalism in Europe" that is UK where most British think immigrants are a bad influence?
My point is that things are going to get worse before they get better. The last thing I want to see Europe engulfed in is a rise of fascism.

It bloody well has not. No human rights watchdog, a superfluous entity in any case, will ever cite counter-racism for fear of being castigated as white supremacist. Why not simply concede that the plight of the white majority is to be disabused of its rights in favour of queues of newly arrived migrants from Bong Bongo land.
The EU is no mere "human rights watchdog," if this is what you think. I dislike it for numerous reasons - but not for it being "blind," so to speak.

Not really. Op/Ed is, at best, public toilet reading material.

And at worst, public toilet paper material. :p

Statistics, etc?

Note how the aforementioned tend to preclude the use of statistics....

However, has the gentleman considered quite how many instutions practice positive discrimination; the Police force, the NHS, the Conservative and Labour parties, an innumerable quantity of businesses.

Thus, if the evidenty true above is accepted, the white majority is thus disabused of its power.

Moreover, does the gentleman ever, ever, watch newsnight or any such program? The quantity of ethnic figures of authority who characterise the "white majority" as instutionally and endemically racist is great, however, we are obliged not to reciprocate said pseudo-homogenity.

:rolleyes:

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!
God forbid they'd learn better mathematics from someone who comes from the very people who invented the concept of zero.
I judge a person on a case-by-case basis - radicals like this are a bad influence. Oh, and it is the Hindus who allegedly "invented" zero.

Note how the aforementioned tend to preclude the use of statistics....

However, has the gentleman considered quite how many instutions practice positive discrimination; the Police force, the NHS, the Conservative and Labour parties, an innumerable quantity of businesses.

Thus, if the evidenty true above is accepted, the white majority is thus disabused of its power.

Moreover, does the gentleman ever, ever, watch newsnight or any such program? The quantity of ethnic figures of authority who characterise the "white majority" as instutionally and endemically racist is great, however, we are obliged not to reciprocate said pseudo-homogenity.

The gentleman should try to be less antagonistic in his replies. A simple question was all it was. Do you feel the same way about women who complain about sexism might I ask?

The gentleman should try to be less antagonistic in his replies. A simple question was all it was. Do you feel the same way about women who complain about sexism might I ask?

If the claim is unsubstantiated and evidently employed solely to evoke the "discrimination card, then yes.

Ironic though the above evidently is, you do make a reasonable point. Positive discrimination, disabuse of power and arbitrary characterisation are all endemic to the white majority.
I am assuming you mean affirmative action - positive discrimination is something else; it means violent forms of discrimination usually, as opposed to negative discrimination, which is simply disassociation. I am not sure why positive discrimination now means something entirely different. :confused:

It needs to be said! (http://www.khaaan.com/)

I am assuming you mean affirmative action - positive discrimination is something else; it means violent forms of discrimination usually, as opposed to negative discrimination, which is simply disassociation. I am not sure why positive discrimination now means something entirely different. :confused:

Noooo. In the UK positive discrimination is essentially a synonym for Affirmative Action. The positive does not convey activity as opposed to the percieved affect of the discrimination.

It needs to be said! (http://www.khaaan.com/)

AHAHA! I can't believe this has gone on this long without anyone doing that.

Nice work. You've just won the thread. :D

Noooo. In the UK positive discrimination is essentially a synonym for Affirmative Action. The positive does not convey activity as opposed to the percieved affect of the discrimination.
I sometimes forget this - it's usually just used to qualify a certain type of discrimination in its proper sense. That is why I was puzzled so far by the content of your posts - makes sense now though. ^^

I judge a person on a case-by-case basis - radicals like this are a bad influence.
Yes if they mix work with personnal belief. They can be very religious without it interfering with how they teach math, though.


Oh, and it is the Hindus who allegedly "invented" zero.
Really? I thought it was the Arabs. I better go do a internet search pronto...

Stupendous Badassness has it right. ;)

*regarding the quote in your sig*

Thank you my good man. :D

Really? I thought it was the Arabs. I better go do a internet search pronto...

It was the Hindus. The Arabs introduced it to the West, though.

AHAHA! I can't believe this has gone on this long without anyone doing that.

Nice work. You've just won the thread. :D
Thanks. I couldn't believe it either!

What would make me feel better would be to see him getting deported. Afterall, people shouldnt live in places that they hate.

How do you know he hates the UK? Post a link.

I never said all muslims are terrorists. Some of them are. And most muslims are incompatible with european culture as evidenced by honour killings, my-daughter-cant-go-to-swimming-practice fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in crime rates, overrepresentation in violance against women and as evidenced by Khan's pic, some of them's fashion sense, etc....


I never said all Scandinavians are bigots. Some of them are. And some Scandinavians are incompatible with modern, multicultural european culture as evidenced by accusations of honour killings, my-daughter-cant-go-to-swimming-practice-with-swarthy-people fathers, the fact that they ghettolize themselves, arranged marriages, overrepresentation in bars and pubs, overrepresentation in violence against minorities, and as evidenced by almost any pic, some of them's fashion sense, etc..

Thank you my good man. :D

My pleasure. ;)

Yes if they mix work with personnal belief. They can be very religious without it interfering with how they teach math, though.
It's not that - it's that this person is now a school inspector. This is a position of power.

Really? I thought it was the Arabs. I better go do a internet search pronto...
So did I, but I remember a show on Discovery pointing out various contributions by different cultures (including Western ones) - according to the Hindus are attributable for the "invention." Internet searches will reveal this too.

So did I, but I remember a show on Discovery pointing out various contributions by different cultures (including Western ones) - according to the Hindus are attributable for the "invention." Internet searches will reveal this too.

If I recall correctly, the Hindus also "invented" algebra (although the word itself is Arabic), didn't they?

It was the Hindus. The Arabs introduced it to the West, though.

It's not that - it's that this person is now a school inspector. This is a position of power.


So did I, but I remember a show on Discovery pointing out various contributions by different cultures (including Western ones) - according to the Hindus are attributable for the "invention." Internet searches will reveal this too.

Yeah, a quick google/wikipedia search told me the same. Well, I have learned something new today and it's all thanks to a radical muslim. :p

If I recall correctly, the Hindus also "invented" algebra (although the word itself is Arabic), didn't they?
This is far more ambiguous. Here is an article:

http://historymedren.about.com/od/aentries/a/11_algebra_2.htm

Greeks are the inventors of certain mathematical theories, the Hindus of others, amongst which I think Algebra too belongs.

Got any new racist rants?:rolleyes:

How on earth is it racist? Let me guess (and this is purely a guess, not an assumption): You're 'muslim' and hate it when any 'muslim' is viewed in a negative light, even if he/she is clearly unfit to be in an influential position. The guy launched a tirade against people for celebrating an aspect of the Christian faith that is even celebrated by non-Christians, and he caused some to walk out, some to cry. He should not even be a Parent Governor, let alone an Ofsted one.

This is far more ambiguous. Here is an article:

http://historymedren.about.com/od/aentries/a/11_algebra_2.htm

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Can someone please tell me exactly why secular public institutions ceased to be an ideal worth pursuing? Also, can someone please tell me why Muslims have been adopted as the star-baby of everyone left of center? If someone so much as mentions the word a flock descends to rip apart whoever dared criticize them with the same old, tired idioms. They don't deserve it! Certainly no more then the Catholics or the Jews or the Born Again types do.

Let us be frank here. Ny Nordland is obviously a racist. There is really no debating or even a need to belabor the point. Regardless of that, this...

Mr Khan, now headmaster of an Islamic school, launched into his tirade during a concert rehearsal at Washwood Heath Secondary School in Birmingham in 1996 after the choir including around 40 Muslim youngsters, had sung a number of popular Christmas songs, including carols.

He leapt from his seat, yelling: "Who is your God? Why are you saying Jesus and Jesus Christ? God is not your God - it is Allah."

... Crosses a line. He had no right to inflict his "Allah" upon students who were singing of their own free will. This shouldn't be tolerated from anyone regardless of their religion. Also...

"He gave me many insights into the Islamic cause and their hatred of the US and the Western World. He had a big support base among some of the Muslim parents.


...This too should raise some flags, yet alone it isn't particularly troublesome. There is nothing wrong with understanding a problem and contributing insight into that problem. It is when you champion those ideals while holding a position in a public institution that it becomes a problem.

Forget Ny Nordland and give this some thought folks. Just because he is a Muslim does not mean you must wipe his ass in cyber space.

I would just like to point out that the man is not a terrorist and probably is not even an extremist/Radical. The article in the OP said that Khan had no history of things of this nature, and the school had administered "all relevent safety checks" which he passed. Were there muslim students singing christian songs? Perhaps he got the idea that christianity was being taught to them...

His behavior is unacceptable, he should be suspended.

The Daily Mail is hardly the most reliable of sources; I'd like to hear this from a reputable news source.

While his outburst against the Nativity Play was utterly wrong (and anyone who is unable to keep separate their religious/political views and their responsibilities shouldn't be in a position of influence over children IMHO) I do think that many people here are over-reacting. Ofsted inspectors are very tightly regulated in what they can and can't do or report: when writing up their final report they are even regulated in their use of adjectives (Excellent is one strictly defined level, very good another, etc.). He isn't going to be able to fail schools simply because he doesn't like them, neither will he be able to enforce Islamic beliefs or practices onto them; if he tried to do this then he would lose his job.

Basically he isn't a good candidate for the job but there's very damage he can actually do with his position.

On a side note, I have to agree with TBChris on the state of British education; we need a serious overhaul overseen by high-level academics and unhampered by government bureaucracy and interference.

Can someone please tell me exactly why secular public institutions ceased to be an ideal worth pursuing?

Dude, the PM's a devout Christian and we've got a member of Opus Dei in the cabinet. What do you expect?

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100% Agreement.

*hands you cookie*

Sheep Alert! Mass producing replies now:

Indulge me with less kneejerk comments in the future, please.

Ny Nordland, surely you've figured out by now that no one likes your racist threads. Nay, we only post in them because we have fun bitching about your racism.

EEEEK! Oh no! The Britons have hired a Brownie! NAY!
A Sandnigger!!!

According to the article, is he an asshole; yes. Is he muslim;yes. Is he a bad Government School Inspector; that remains to be seen. You claim you are in fucking Norway, NN... could you find in your heart to give him a chance..?

Got any new racist rants?:rolleyes:

i guess we can only say things about white christian males without being called racist.

True but there is always Trostia to say something he thinks is relevant. And then angry villagers with torchers chanting witch, err racist...It's all a cycle...

You're the victim of persecution. It's really tragic. If only the idiot villagers could understand your true genius. Quick, someone fetch a violin!

"Rabbids?" You mean rabbits. Or perhaps "vermin?"



Overrun - ah yes, your favourite topic: Immigration Is Invasion And Genocide.

As for dismissing people because they are Muslim - jeez, I guess I must be IMAGINING your shameless bigotry. This time. Must be another Kneejerk Reaction Strawman!
Maybe he means 'Rabbis'. Never can tell what runs through NY's fevered little brain.

And, to the person who introduced the word 'kneejerk' to Ny: I hope you're happy with yourself. Now we have to put with him merrily inserting it into practically every reply he posts. It's much like watching a young, simple-minded child being given a shiny new toy. They play with constantly, dragging it everywhere for weeks until eventually growign bored with it.
That's what we're all got to look forward to with Ny and his 'kneejerk'.

How on earth is it racist? Let me guess (and this is purely a guess, not an assumption): You're 'muslim' and hate it when any 'muslim' is viewed in a negative light, even if he/she is clearly unfit to be in an influential position. The guy launched a tirade against people for celebrating an aspect of the Christian faith that is even celebrated by non-Christians, and he caused some to walk out, some to cry. He should not even be a Parent Governor, let alone an Ofsted one.

Eeerrrr.....no

I'm as white as Ny Nordlands white things.

I took the view that he was a teeny bit racially intolerant because the only links he ever posts relate to other races/religions. I notice he keeps quiet about subjects such as 'white christian kills Amish kids'. Now if a Muslim had done that..........:rolleyes:

Oh Ny. You are so much fun. I don't even get irritated anymore. I still can't decide if you are a genuine racist troll, or a disingenuous racist troll. Nevertheless, I like trolls, they regenerate and live under bridges. As such, not only will I forgive you, but I will go so far as to create a Troll named Ny Nordland for my upcoming campaign.

Perhaps you are more like a troll than we think. That is, by constantly ridiculing and/or debunking your crap, we are simply wounding you. Your damage reduction eats up most of that, or in the case of more serious blows, you just regenerate. The trick to beating you permanently should be in acid, or fire. Flaming is against forum rules, so I guess that leaves acid.

*drops acid tab*

Eeerrrr.....no

I'm as white as Ny Nordlands white things.

I took the view that he was a teeny bit racially intolerant because the only links he ever posts relate to other races/religions. I notice he keeps quiet about subjects such as 'white christian kills Amish kids'. Now if a Muslim had done that..........:rolleyes:

The fact that he may have previously shown racial intolerance does not excuse you publicly misinterpreting the message he posted on here for your own ends. It was clearly not a racist message, even if the poster is racist

Re: the original post and the Daily Mail:

1. Suggestion: Write to your MP to get them to get whoever has the power, to have Khan removed.

2. Ofsted and others were quoted in the Daily Mail article. Ofsted did appoint him, and he did deliberatly upset many people purely because of a traditional Celebration.

Re: the original post and the Daily Mail:

1. Suggestion: Write to your MP to get them to get whoever has the power, to have Khan removed.

2. Ofsted and others were quoted in the Daily Mail article. Ofsted did appoint him, and he did deliberatly upset many people purely because of a traditional Celebration.

Doesn't Ny live in Norway? Somehow I don't think they have many English MPs around.

The fact that he may have previously shown racial intolerance does not excuse you publicly misinterpreting the message he posted on here for your own ends. It was clearly not a racist message, even if the poster is racist

My apologies. It's just I now think of him like 'the boy who cried wolf'. He has previously posted so much racial stuff that I now interpret any post he puts on as so. I wish he would talk about something that affects him personally for a change

EEEEK! Oh no! The Britons have hired a Brownie! NAY!
A Sandnigger!!!

According to the article, is he an asshole; yes. Is he muslim;yes. Is he a bad Government School Inspector; that remains to be seen. You claim you are in fucking Norway, NN... could you find in your heart to give him a chance..?

I'm British, and I don't propose to do so.

I have yet to see what the big deal is.

His supposed outburst at a Christmas pageant is portrayed as an example of religious bigotry. The irony, of course, is that he was in a school that was mostly non-christian, yet they were still singing the Jesus songs, and he pointed out the tacit religious bigotry by supposedly being a religious bigot himself.

He has succesfully run a school for ten years, and his job does not allow him to indoctrinate public school children in any manner. What a non-issue.

Its a big deal because Nordy made it one.

Like I've said before, soon, every Western government will be muslims.

Like I've said before, soon, every Western government will be muslims.

And you are still talking absolute rubbish

And you are still talking absolute rubbish
I think he's being a bit melodramatic, but with the pathetic weakness of most western governments, it isn't that implausible.

Like I've said before, soon, every Western government will be muslims.
Yes, that's because you don't know any better, and are being an alarmist fool.