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Superior Sex?

Ny Nordland
04-10-2006, 12:20
Do females also outnumber males in universities in where you come from? I'm not complaining :D Just curious...
Kanabia
04-10-2006, 12:22
In my degree, yes, but in disciplines like engineering, I don't think so.
Swilatia
04-10-2006, 12:24
congradulations on not starting a racist thread.
Ny Nordland
04-10-2006, 12:24
Perhaps, but overall I think they outnumber us here 2 to 1 or maybe 3 to 1.
Pure Metal
04-10-2006, 12:25
in my old uni yeah they did.... i think 60% were female, and 40% male. good ratio if you ask me ;)
NERVUN
04-10-2006, 12:25
There are currently more women attending universities in the US than men, however, men still dominate the sciences and technical fields (It's becoming more equal).

In Japan... far more men are in the universities than women.
Wallonochia
04-10-2006, 12:25
They do, but not by an extremely large margin. However, they are vastly in the majority in the foreign language department where I spend most of my time. My Advanced French class has 25 people and perhaps 5 or 6 of us are male. I'm certainly not complaining about it either.
Ny Nordland
04-10-2006, 12:27
congradulations on not starting a racist thread.

So very original...:rolleyes:
Rasselas
04-10-2006, 12:27
In the entire university, I don't know (they stick us arts students far away from the rest of civilisation :()

On my course (music and recording), men outnumber women by far.
Neu Leonstein
04-10-2006, 12:28
Do females also outnumber males in universities in where you come from? I'm not complaining Just curious...
Weird. For some reason I always thought you were gay.

Anyways, there's probably more girls at my uni than guys, but not by much.

My Advanced French class has 25 people and perhaps 5 or 6 of us are male. I'm certainly not complaining about it either.
Mmmh, chicks speaking French...
Monkeypimp
04-10-2006, 12:30
No idea. There are definately some hotties at my uni though. That's what this threads about right? The fact that I'm loaded and can hook up with uni sluts?





loaded as in drunk.
Delator
04-10-2006, 12:37
My school is probably about 60% female...which is pretty common these days.

It all depends on the school though...a good example is the University of Wisconsin at Platteville.

About 70-75% male.

The reason? The principle major program at Platteville is Agriculture. :p

So yes, the type of school is a significant factor.
Minaris
04-10-2006, 12:37
in my old uni yeah they did.... i think 60% were female, and 40% male. good ratio if you ask me ;)

I find the 67-33 ratio better. :D ;)
Harlesburg
04-10-2006, 12:44
Weird. For some reason I always thought you were gay.

Anyways, there's probably more girls at my uni than guys, but not by much.


Mmmh, chicks speaking French...
OMG a pun?:p
http://www.deskbreaker.com/images/panic.gif
Drake and Dragon Keeps
04-10-2006, 13:25
At my current uni I think the girls outnumber the guys but not in my department. Generally girls seem to have an aversion to physics.

At my previous uni the guys slightly outnumbered the girls, probably due to it specialising in the sciences and engineering.

What is it about the physical sciences and engineering that puts girls off?
Andaluciae
04-10-2006, 13:28
In most universities (mine included) the m/f ratio is strongly in favor of the women, by 10% or more. This has an awful lot to do with the structure of the American secondary education system, which is unintentionally designed in a manner that is beneficial to young women.



Needless to say, I'm a guy who's not complaining :D


Although getting a minority scholarship here would be awesome.
Rasselas
04-10-2006, 13:28
At my current uni I think the girls outnumber the guys but not in my department. Generally girls seem to have an aversion to physics.

At my previous uni the guys slightly outnumbered the girls, probably due to it specialising in the sciences and engineering.

What is it about the physical sciences and engineering that puts girls off?

*<3s science* *is female*
Bottle
04-10-2006, 13:30
What is it about the physical sciences and engineering that puts girls off?
From personal experience, I can tell you that it's not the subjects that put off many girls. It's the attitudes that people have about girls in those subject areas. Girls today are still routinely told that they can't do math, that they can't handle "hard sciences," or that they'll never get a husband if they are a "science nerd" or "geek."

At the college level, I encountered far more sexism in the engineering department and physics department than I did anywhere else. Profs talked down to me a lot more often.

A lot of girls just don't think it's worth it to put up with all the additional hastles of these subjects. Science is hard enough, without feeling like your own profs and peers are against you.

Fortunately, this is changing with time, due largely to the fact that there are so many girls who ARE willing to bull on through and pursue these subjects.
The Beautiful Darkness
04-10-2006, 13:32
In most of my subjects in both of my facultys (arts and science), the numbers are roughly even, although arts tends to lean towards more girls, depending on the subject.
Andaluciae
04-10-2006, 13:33
From personal experience, I can tell you that it's not the subjects that put off many girls. It's the attitudes that people have about girls in those subject areas. Girls today are still routinely told that they can't do math, that they can't handle "hard sciences," or that they'll never get a husband if they are a "science nerd" or "geek."

Goddam it! I need a girl from engineering or something, because she can compensate for my fuzzy career choice, and she can hold down a stable job!

At the college level, I encountered far more sexism in the engineering department and physics department than I did anywhere else. Profs talked down to me a lot more often.

A lot of girls just don't think it's worth it to put up with all the additional hastles of these subjects. Science is hard enough, without feeling like your own profs and peers are against you.

Fortunately, this is changing with time, due largely to the fact that there are so many girls who ARE willing to bull on through and pursue these subjects.

If anyone talks down to my little sister during her engineering classes next year...they better watch out.
Bottle
04-10-2006, 13:37
Goddam it! I need a girl from engineering or something, because she can compensate for my fuzzy career choice, and she can hold down a stable job!

Heh. My boyfriend is a Communications major, while I'm in Neuroscience. He often jokes about how my job security is the only thing between him and waiting tables.


If anyone talks down to my little sister during her engineering classes next year...they better watch out.
Like I said, it's getting better with every passing year. The only rough spot is that there's currently such a backlash in America. The supposed "boy crisis" in education is a total joke, but it's a dangerous one because it threatens to roll back the clock on a lot of the progress that's been made.
Drake and Dragon Keeps
04-10-2006, 13:41
From personal experience, I can tell you that it's not the subjects that put off many girls. It's the attitudes that people have about girls in those subject areas. Girls today are still routinely told that they can't do math, that they can't handle "hard sciences," or that they'll never get a husband if they are a "science nerd" or "geek."

At the college level, I encountered far more sexism in the engineering department and physics department than I did anywhere else. Profs talked down to me a lot more often.

A lot of girls just don't think it's worth it to put up with all the additional hastles of these subjects. Science is hard enough, without feeling like your own profs and peers are against you.

Fortunately, this is changing with time, due largely to the fact that there are so many girls who ARE willing to bull on through and pursue these subjects.

ok, I personally hadn't noticed anything like that nor has my gf told me of any problems shes had while doing engineering.

I have been attending university for the last six years so maybe the attitudes changed before I arrived.
Andaluciae
04-10-2006, 13:45
Heh. My boyfriend is a Communications major, while I'm in Neuroscience. He often jokes about how my job security is the only thing between him and waiting tables.


Like I said, it's getting better with every passing year. The only rough spot is that there's currently such a backlash in America. The supposed "boy crisis" in education is a total joke, but it's a dangerous one because it threatens to roll back the clock on a lot of the progress that's been made.

Well, just so long as they hold off on making any changes for another five years. I'll be out of law school then, and if they do anything before then and change the ratios, that decreases my chances with the ladies. [/lighthearted joke]
Bottle
04-10-2006, 13:47
ok, I personally hadn't noticed anything like that nor has my gf told me of any problems shes had while doing engineering.

Hey, it's great if you and your girlfriend haven't experienced sexism in school! I'm sure there are also regional differences in how often this stuff happens, so maybe you are lucky enough to be going to school in a place where sexism is less prevalent. Regardless, it's encouraging to hear that there are girls who are feeling completely comfortable pursuing the sciences. :)


I have been attending university for the last six years so maybe the attitudes changed before I arrived.
I've been at university, as undergratuate and now graduate, since around the turn of the century. I experienced more problems at the undergrad level than I do now, but that may also be due to the fact that I'm in the biological sciences and my program tends to have more female students than male students.

Women will all have different experiences with this stuff, of course, and there are race and class issues that get mixed in as well. It's such a muddle sometimes :(.
Kattia
04-10-2006, 13:58
I am studying informatics (or is it called computer science in English?) and there are almost no girls in our classes! Can you imagine more than 50 people and only 2 being girls? Not much to look at during those boring lectures...

From personal experience, I can tell you that it's not the subjects that put off many girls. It's the attitudes that people have about girls in those subject areas. Girls today are still routinely told that they can't do math, that they can't handle "hard sciences," or that they'll never get a husband if they are a "science nerd" or "geek."

I must say I'd LOVE to have a "geek" girlfriend! We would have so much in common to talk about! :p
Kanabia
04-10-2006, 14:09
I am studying informatics (or is it called computer science in English?) and there are almost no girls in our classes! Can you imagine more than 50 people and only 2 being girls? Not much to look at during those boring lectures...

When I did journalism, I was in a class with about 30 girls and me being the only guy.

It was really intimidating. :/
Bottle
04-10-2006, 14:09
I am studying informatics (or is it called computer science in English?) and there are almost no girls in our classes! Can you imagine more than 50 people and only 2 being girls? Not much to look at during those boring lectures...

I know you mean well, but to be honest this kind of thing was one of the things I hated about being an undergrad in science courses. I would be one of only two or three girls, and I felt like every guy in the class was constantly staring at me.

The fact that I was A Girl was constantly emphasized. When we divided into groups, the guys would argue if one group got all The Girls. When we had discussions on topics like sexual selection, I was always called upon to give The Female Perspective (as if there's some kind of Female Hive Mind).

I don't mind people looking at me. I don't mind that college-age kids (male or female) are sex-crazed horndogs. But it sometimes becomes exhausting to always be A Girl and never get to just be a student.

When you're in a classroom that's more evenly spilt between males and females, it often doesn't feel as much like you're an outsider and an Other. The fact that you are female just isn't as important or as distracting. And that can be nice.

Some girls like to be the only girl around, of course. There are some girls who love to be the only chick in the room, because of the attention and the special status. Some girls like to feel like they are "one of the guys," because being merely a girl isn't as cool or as badass. I'm not trying to speak for all girls or all women. I'm just sharing one perspective that some women have on the subject.


I must say I'd LOVE to have a "geek" girlfriend! We would have so much in common to talk about! :p
One thing I love about the modern age is that being a "geek" is so much of an asset! It's an advantage to be tech-savy and interested in science. That rocks. :)
Ilie
04-10-2006, 14:19
In the overall university, yes, but there tend to be gender-dominated programs within the university.
Ilie
04-10-2006, 14:21
One thing I love about the modern age is that being a "geek" is so much of an asset! It's an advantage to be tech-savy and interested in science. That rocks. :)

Hear, hear! 1 <3 t3h g33k5.
Drake and Dragon Keeps
04-10-2006, 14:37
Hey, it's great if you and your girlfriend haven't experienced sexism in school! I'm sure there are also regional differences in how often this stuff happens, so maybe you are lucky enough to be going to school in a place where sexism is less prevalent. Regardless, it's encouraging to hear that there are girls who are feeling completely comfortable pursuing the sciences. :)


I've been at university, as undergratuate and now graduate, since around the turn of the century. I experienced more problems at the undergrad level than I do now, but that may also be due to the fact that I'm in the biological sciences and my program tends to have more female students than male students.

Women will all have different experiences with this stuff, of course, and there are race and class issues that get mixed in as well. It's such a muddle sometimes :(.

Well I hope the furture becomes a true meritocracy, but sometimes it is hard to see it happening will world we have today.

On a side note, when I first read 'turn of the century' I thought year 1900 rather than 2000. I just can't get used to the fact that my lifetime has included the start of a new century.:p
Bottle
04-10-2006, 14:41
Well I hope the furture becomes a true meritocracy, but sometimes it is hard to see it happening will world we have today.

I know what you mean! When I was a little kid, I used to think of sexism and racism as things that happened a long time ago, and I was so sure that my generation would be totally free of them. It can get very discouraging to see the same old prejudices coming back again and again.

But I also see improvements, and that gives me hope. :)


On a side note, when I first read 'turn of the century' I thought year 1900 rather than 2000. I just can't get used to the fact that my lifetime has included the start of a new century.:p
I've wanted to be a spinster aunt since I was about 4 years old, so I'm delighted that I can now talk about "the winter of aught-five" like a real old-timer!
Saxnot
04-10-2006, 14:52
It's slightly more than 50% female here, I think.
Mt-Tau
04-10-2006, 14:53
congradulations on not starting a racist thread.

Silly poster, racism deals with different races and discrimination. I think you are looking for gender bias instead. If you had read the post in the first place you would have realized it had nothing to do with which sex is superior, just which sex was more numerous in a college.

*The more you know! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmF_OWo9BIg)
Hamilay
04-10-2006, 14:55
Silly poster, racism deals with different races and discrimination. I think you are looking for gender bias instead. If you had read the post in the first place you would have realized it had nothing to do with which sex is superior, just which sex was more numerous in a college.

*The more you know! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmF_OWo9BIg)
... what? I think he wasn't implying that this thread was racist or sexist. He meant exactly what he said. (look up NN's thread history and you may understand :) )
Mt-Tau
04-10-2006, 15:12
... what? I think he wasn't implying that this thread was racist or sexist. He meant exactly what he said. (look up NN's thread history and you may understand :) )

Tis' cool. I was just picking on him. ;)
Ny Nordland
04-10-2006, 15:59
Weird. For some reason I always thought you were gay.

Anyways, there's probably more girls at my uni than guys, but not by much.


Mmmh, chicks speaking French...

LOL, ok...
Ifreann
04-10-2006, 16:02
I think there's slightly more males here. But that's just a guess. There's definately more males in all of my lectures(engineering). On a slightly unrelated topic, most of the girls are hot :D
Greater Trostia
04-10-2006, 17:12
So, more numerous = superior?
Llewdor
04-10-2006, 17:18
Depends on the discipline. At my University Engineering was something like 95% male, but Nursing was 90% female.

In the humanities faculty (where I studied), women grossly outnumbered men in all departments except one. Philosophy (my department) was about 80% male.
Kattia
05-10-2006, 22:00
I know you mean well, but to be honest this kind of thing was one of the things I hated about being an undergrad in science courses. I would be one of only two or three girls, and I felt like every guy in the class was constantly staring at me.
I meant that as a little joke. Of course I am not staring at the girls! :) I treat them as I would treat anyone else. I'd just like more girls in our classes.

The fact that I was A Girl was constantly emphasized. When we divided into groups, the guys would argue if one group got all The Girls. When we had discussions on topics like sexual selection, I was always called upon to give The Female Perspective (as if there's some kind of Female Hive Mind).
Well... To be honest, I really envy you girls because of that. I'd really like to be in the center of attention as you are! I'd like to be the only male in class and being asked about the "male perspective". I think it would really improve my communicating abilities (I really need that).

I don't mind people looking at me. I don't mind that college-age kids (male or female) are sex-crazed horndogs. But it sometimes becomes exhausting to always be A Girl and never get to just be a student.
I am proud I was never a sex-crazed horndog! :D
Cabra West
05-10-2006, 22:05
I got my degree in librarianship, in a class of 37 there were 3 male students.
Sarkhaan
05-10-2006, 22:11
my university overall is 60% female, 40% male, but it varies by college. The school of hospitality administration is around 97% female (when I was in the college, I was one of four guys in the class of around 100), whereas the school of engineering is the reverse (97% male). Those are the two most extreme, and the rest sort of fill in a gradient
Londim
05-10-2006, 22:49
When I did journalism, I was in a class with about 30 girls and me being the only guy.

It was really intimidating. :/

OH FREAKING YEAH! The Prospect of uni just got so much better. Roll on next year!
Vacuumhead
05-10-2006, 23:05
I've never actually thought about it before, but now you've got me thinking about it I'd say us girls are outnumbered. By quite a bit actually, I'm not too sure but I'd say approx. 35% are female in most of my lectures. I am doing a chemistry course though, so it's not too bad. At sixth form college I was the only girl in half of my classes, physics and maths (mechanics group).

I don't have a clue about the whole uni. :confused:
Eudeminea
06-10-2006, 00:55
Do females also outnumber males in universities in where you come from? I'm not complaining :D Just curious...

The statistics aren't good actually. More women are graduating with 4 year degrees then men. granted the gap is only about 7%, if I remember correctly, but 10 years ago I believe it was about 10% the other direction. The male half of the population (in the US at least) is dropping the ball, one can only guess what the effects of this trend on society will be.

I'm determined not to be one of those statistics, but far too many of my peers seem content to work at walmart, factories, or fast food for the rest of their lives so they can vegetate in front of their computer games for hours every day.

Its not that men aren't just as capeable as women, they just don't seem to be trying as hard anymore.

Shape up guys, you don't want your wife to have to support your family because you were too undiciplined to get a degree (assuming you can find a girl who would be willing to marry you). That's no way to live, not if you want to have any kind of self respect or inear peace.

<end rant>
Nadkor
06-10-2006, 01:25
Ny Nordland, are you male or female? Just out of interest...
Seangoli
06-10-2006, 01:32
Perhaps, but overall I think they outnumber us here 2 to 1 or maybe 3 to 1.

Ha, that's nothing. 8 to 1. Simple calculations:

Two of the eight will be completely unnatractive.

That leaves six.

Out of those, four will be "involved" with other guys, or not looking for guys.

Down to two.

One will be "involved" with other girls.

That leaves one.

Now then, let's say fifty percent of guys have girlfriend. That means, there is double the odds, so there's two.

Final tally:

2-1 single girl/single guy ratio.

I like those odds...:cool:
Ny Nordland
07-10-2006, 01:49
The statistics aren't good actually. More women are graduating with 4 year degrees then men. granted the gap is only about 7%, if I remember correctly, but 10 years ago I believe it was about 10% the other direction. The male half of the population (in the US at least) is dropping the ball, one can only guess what the effects of this trend on society will be.

I'm determined not to be one of those statistics, but far too many of my peers seem content to work at walmart, factories, or fast food for the rest of their lives so they can vegetate in front of their computer games for hours every day.

Its not that men aren't just as capeable as women, they just don't seem to be trying as hard anymore.

Shape up guys, you don't want your wife to have to support your family because you were too undiciplined to get a degree (assuming you can find a girl who would be willing to marry you). That's no way to live, not if you want to have any kind of self respect or inear peace.

<end rant>

LOL. I digged up some hard statistics and it looks like we are going to be a matriarchial society in the future :eek:

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8791/fig2006060101enlc7.gif


Ny Nordland, are you male or female? Just out of interest...

Male.
New Xero Seven
07-10-2006, 01:54
I'm majoring in design at York University. Theres more women than men in my program.
Vacuumhead
07-10-2006, 02:02
Shape up guys, you don't want your wife to have to support your family because you were too undiciplined to get a degree (assuming you can find a girl who would be willing to marry you). That's no way to live, not if you want to have any kind of self respect or inear peace.
I hope you're not saying that a guy needs to be the main earner in a household to have any respect for himself. Anyway, that doesn't sound so bad to me. Maybe when I leave university I'll get myself a house-husband...
Ny Nordland
07-10-2006, 02:04
I hope you're not saying that a guy needs to be the main earner in a household to have any respect for himself. Anyway, that doesn't sound so bad to me. Maybe when I leave university I'll get myself a house-husband...

Work more and get us a maid.
Vacuumhead
07-10-2006, 02:04
Work more and get us a maid.

Us? :confused:
Kattia
07-10-2006, 02:39
Work more and get us a maid.

Yay! I want one too! :) Could I get a flat-chested battle android of a half-alien half-human technology that was used as an ultimate weapon against aliens by a secret organization but because her batteries were running out she decided she wanted to be my maid so she could repay me the loss that she caused me in the past? :D I would allow her to wash my back when taking a bath and NEVER complain about her breasts because that's exactly what I like! Not those huge breasts of my sex-crazed teacher! :p
Kreitzmoorland
07-10-2006, 02:44
My school is probably about 60% female...which is pretty common these days.

It all depends on the school though...a good example is the University of Wisconsin at Platteville.

About 70-75% male.

The reason? The principle major program at Platteville is Agriculture. :p

So yes, the type of school is a significant factor.There's more women than men in agriculture in my school. Only a few programs have more men than women.
Crumpet Stone
07-10-2006, 02:49
men and women should be equal under the law, but in other circumstances it should be judged by the individual regardless of sex.
Kreitzmoorland
07-10-2006, 02:50
men and women should be equal under the law, but in other circumstances it should be judged by the individual regardless of sex.Hmm, did you even red the OP, let alone the first few pages?
Crumpet Stone
07-10-2006, 02:54
what do you get out of shooting me down? yes, I know what you're talking about.
Linthiopia
07-10-2006, 03:04
Both sexes are pretty inferior, if you ask me...

We will crush you puny Earthicans!
Nadkor
07-10-2006, 03:25
Male.

OK, just wondering what you hoped to get out of this thread...
Gravlen
07-10-2006, 03:39
Yay! I want one too! :) Could I get a flat-chested battle android of a half-alien half-human technology that was used as an ultimate weapon against aliens by a secret organization but because her batteries were running out she decided she wanted to be my maid so she could repay me the loss that she caused me in the past? :D I would allow her to wash my back when taking a bath and NEVER complain about her breasts because that's exactly what I like! Not those huge breasts of my sex-crazed teacher! :p

0.o
Kattia
08-10-2006, 20:04
0.o

Ever seen Mahoromatic? :D
GruntsandElites
08-10-2006, 20:17
Heh. My boyfriend is a Communications major, while I'm in Neuroscience. He often jokes about how my job security is the only thing between him and waiting tables.


Like I said, it's getting better with every passing year. The only rough spot is that there's currently such a backlash in America. The supposed "boy crisis" in education is a total joke, but it's a dangerous one because it threatens to roll back the clock on a lot of the progress that's been made.

You're a girl? Dear god, I did not know that. I always thought you were just a emtremely liberal male. But now it all falls into place.
Texan Hotrodders
08-10-2006, 20:28
You're a girl? Dear god, I did not know that. I always thought you were just a emtremely liberal male. But now it all falls into place.

Weren't you leaving General?
Gorias
08-10-2006, 20:32
54% female in irish collages.
Chandelier
08-10-2006, 20:44
Here are the trends I've noticed in the high school classes I've taken last year and the ones I'm taking this year.

(ratio expressed as boys:girls)
Last year:
Team Sports- 5:1 or 4:1 ratio, I can't remember the exact number of boys, but there were 8 girls.
Chemistry Honors- probably between 1:3 and 1:2
Swing Choir- 0:1 (boys weren't allowed to take the course)
And I believe it was roughly even in my other classes last year...

This year:
AP Chemistry- exactly 1:1 (8 boys, 8 girls)
AP English- Between 1:4 and 1:5
AP U.S. History- probably about 1:1, I'm not sure
Pre-calculus- probably roughly 1:1
AP Latin- about 1:2
Physics Honors- I haven't counted yet
AP Psychology- uncertain, but probably around 1:2. Girls are definitely in the majority.

So, the only class I've been in recently where there were more boys than girls was P.E.