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I myself see us falling down the same path the romans did.

1. Corruption in the government: As I always say you can buy yourself into the white house. *cough cough Bush*

2. Popularity among the people: Bush is really popular amoung the billionaire club for all the amazing tax breaks he's giving them.

3. Butting into forighn affairs: Julieus Ceasar went to Gual without invitation US into Iraq.

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.

Personally I feel us and Rome are disturbingly common. I just hope we don't turn out be an American Empire. But If we do I call the East American Empire!

Many empires have common traits with current america. Sorry but very old news.

Also simplistic beyond belief.

1) This assumes that Bush bought his way to the White House. While it may not get a lot of argument from this forum (being who we are, after all), it's still considered best to provide evidence.

2) And amongst the more rural, generally not-very-rich Bible belt. But, apparently, not amongst the people in Hollywood, who happen to be some of the richest in the world. Must be because of their global visions and extensive educations in political science, economics and the like.

3) What major nation hasn't invaded someone at one point or another. Seriously, find me one.

4) The Celts, Picts, Visigoths and Huns formed armies, which operated with a simplistic but still very real command structure and suchlike. Terrorism is the absence of such. Nitpick, but not a trivial one. In effect, you just equated every enemy ever faced by a large nation anywhere with Al-Qaeda.

Also simplistic beyond belief.

1) This assumes that Bush bought his way to the White House. While it may not get a lot of argument from this forum (being who we are, after all), it's still considered best to provide evidence.

2) And amongst the more rural, generally not-very-rich Bible belt. But, apparently, not amongst the people in Hollywood, who happen to be some of the richest in the world. Must be because of their global visions and extensive educations in political science, economics and the like.

3) What major nation hasn't invaded someone at one point or another. Seriously, find me one.

4) The Celts, Picts, Visigoths and Huns formed armies, which operated with a simplistic but still very real command structure and suchlike. Terrorism is the absence of such. Nitpick, but not a trivial one. In effect, you just equated every enemy ever faced by a large nation anywhere with Al-Qaeda.

3) Judaea!
India!

I myself see us falling down the same path the romans did.
Using your logic iI can say the same for the US falling down the same path of the Galactic Republic.

1. Corruption in the government: As I always say you can buy yourself into the white house. *cough cough Bush*
Hey, the Trade Federation bought their way into the Senate and fillabustered the debate over the Naboo crisis.

2. Popularity among the people: Bush is really popular amoung the billionaire club for all the amazing tax breaks he's giving them.
I can say the same for Palpatine. Notice the eerie similarities?

3. Butting into forighn affairs: Julieus Ceasar went to Gual without invitation US into Iraq.
Hey, the Republic unprovokedly attacked Geonosis, so there's another similarity

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.
Yea, those bastard Separatists and their desire for independence from the Republic, making Palpatine gain all that "emergency power" (yes I know the CIS were just pawns for him but w/e)

Personally I feel us and Rome are disturbingly common. I just hope we don't turn out be an American Empire. But If we do I call the East American Empire!
Yea, I hope we don't become a Galactic Empire either. omgwtfbbq george lucas is warning us against booosh lololol !!11

This satirical post brought to you by Super-power :D

Well, Lucas put in a couple slaps in there...

Like: "If you're not with me, you're my enemy.


Only a Sith talks like that!"

And for emphisis, here's a poorly photoshoped image I found on google pic search!

http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/bushvader.jpg




zomg lulz.

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.

Thank you for just dismissing us as barbarians.

I myself see us falling down the same path the romans did.

1. Corruption in the government: As I always say you can buy yourself into the white house. *cough cough Bush*

This is why you posted. Bush is the devil. America will fall. Forget how every politician buys their way into the vote or that Bill Clinton never received a majority of the vote both times he got elected or that Thomas Jefferson lost the popular vote...Bush is baaaaaaad. America will fall like...like...Rome!

2. Popularity among the people: Bush is really popular amoung the billionaire club for all the amazing tax breaks he's giving them.

Bush, all about Bush. First of all, everyone gets tax cuts, they are not exclusive to the rich. Second of all, most billionaires are philanthropists these days and give lots of money to good causes. Third, Bush's tax cuts have increased tax revenues which will allow the deficit to be cut in half by 2008, 2 years earlier than Bush originally predicted. Oh and productivity is up and average wages are finally starting to go up.

3. Butting into forighn affairs: Julieus Ceasar went to Gual without invitation US into Iraq.

FDR went into Nazi Germany uninvited. Teddy Roosevelt went into Spanish controlled Cuba uninvited. Lincoln went into the Confederacy uninvited. Bush also went into Afghanistan uninvited. But at least your Caesar comparison is not a repeat of the same old Hitler comparisons. Flawed logic either way though.

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.

Rome held off those barbarians for thousands of years and they did not allow them to breach the walls until internal political bickering weakened the Romans from the inside. Also, Al-Qaeda targets freedom, not just America but every free society out there and Al-Qaeda will not be the downfall of America. America survived a Civil War, 2 World Wars and the friggin Cold War. The Soviet Union was no slouch when it comes to threats.

Personally I feel us and Rome are disturbingly common. I just hope we don't turn out be an American Empire. But If we do I call the East American Empire!

Breathe easy. Bush will be out of your hair in 2008. Term Limits are your friend.



Rome lasted thousands of years. America is about 230 years old. I realize the Rome to America analogy is very easy to raise and makes you think you are clever, but if you truly read about ancient Rome and America, you will realize that the only real similarities they have right now is their world power and influence. America hasn't even hit its Golden age yet. The Baby Boomers and their antics in the '60s certainly haven't helped the country much though.

Using your logic iI can say the same for the US falling down the same path of the Galactic Republic.


Hey, the Trade Federation bought their way into the Senate and fillabustered the debate over the Naboo crisis.

I can say the same for Palpatine. Notice the eerie similarities?


Hey, the Republic unprovokedly attacked Geonosis, so there's another similarity


Yea, those bastard Separatists and their desire for independence from the Republic, making Palpatine gain all that "emergency power" (yes I know the CIS were just pawns for him but w/e)


Yea, I hope we don't become a Galactic Empire either. omgwtfbbq george lucas is warning us against booosh lololol !!11

This satirical post brought to you by Super-power :D


Many many conservative commentators complained about the third movie being a thinly veiled criticism of the Bush administration. Not really all that satirical other than in that the conservatives are rather self-satirizing these days.

And for emphisis, here's a poorly photoshoped image I found on google pic search!

http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/bushvader.jpg




zomg lulz.

The really really funny thing is, that's from a rabid conservative site.

I went to their actual content and found an absurd article claiming that it is "morally bankrupt" of Democrats to think that Hastert ought to resign for having known for many months about the Foley thing and sites examples of Democrats not covering up for Democrats caught in similar situations.

Why do I bring this up?

It means that they think that dressing Bush up as Darth Vader makes him look good!

We may have to go over to the dark side

2) And amongst the more rural, generally not-very-rich Bible belt.
And not very well educated

Terrorism is the absence of such. Nitpick, but not a trivial one. In effect, you just equated every enemy ever faced by a large nation anywhere with Al-Qaeda.
All empires have faced terrorism, either internal or external. Turning against citizen's rights to fight terrorism is a symbol of a falling empire.

That reminds me, New Domici, Republican talking heads equate trying to have sex with underaged individuals to having an affair. I'm glad affairs are tantamount to paedophilia as long as Democrats had an affair and you have to protect a Republican from harassment for, you know, trying to have sex with an underage person.

Also simplistic beyond belief.

1) This assumes that Bush bought his way to the White House. While it may not get a lot of argument from this forum (being who we are, after all), it's still considered best to provide evidence.

When it comes to proof I don't trust anyone who has to apeal to the surprme court to win an election even though he lost. To put it plainly that's just being a sore sport. With Bush in office we really are going nowhere.:headbang: maybe he will declare himself emperor at the end of his term:confused:

Well, Ekaj. First off, that's standard procedure for situations like this-- admittedly, that was a landmark election. However, arbitrating an unclear presidential race is one of the duties of the court, not something Bush pulled out of his ass at the last minute to beat the democrats. At least you didn't bring up the 'popular vote' thing. I may have actually died.

As for declaring himself emperor at the end of his term; I realize that you were using hyperbole to prove a point, but at least try for funny hyperbole.

3) Judaea!
India!

Canaan.

India has for nearly all of its history been a collection of small vassals, princedoms, and occassional empires, each of these states have attacked and conquered other states both within and without of the modern boundaries of the Republic of India.

Also, I've heard much much better America-Rome comparisons... these are a bit lame. Especially 2), since when does popularity amongst less than a percent of the people (i.e. Billionaires, whom you specifically mention) count as 'popularity among the people'.

1.Rome used to build aqueducts, bridges and roads. Bush bombs bridges and builds oil pipes.:headbang:

2.Fundamentalist Christians were fed to the lions, not allowed to rule the country.;)

3.Roman soldiers were considered valuable people, not cannon fodder.:cool:

4.Rome has the REAL Capitolium. And the ORIGINAL Colosseum. And the ORIGINAL Senate.:cool:

5.Rome didn't have McDonalds.:cool:

6.Romans drank wine, not Coke.:p

7.Rome didn't cross the ocean to invade Mesopotamia. Crossing the Bosphoron was enough. Think of the pollution the US created to invade Iraq!:D

8.The Circus Maximus is cooler than Daytona or Indianapolis!:cool:

SENATUS POPULUSQUE ROMANUS

I myself see us falling down the same path the romans did.

1. Corruption in the government: As I always say you can buy yourself into the white house. *cough cough Bush*

2. Popularity among the people: Bush is really popular amoung the billionaire club for all the amazing tax breaks he's giving them.

3. Butting into forighn affairs: Julieus Ceasar went to Gual without invitation US into Iraq.

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.

Personally I feel us and Rome are disturbingly common. I just hope we don't turn out be an American Empire. But If we do I call the East American Empire!

3.It's Iulius Caesar and Gaul (or Gallia Transalpina if you prefer the Latin).

4.Poor Celts didn't terrorise Rome, because they never had an opportunity (ok they sieged and raided Rome in the III century BC, but that's war, not terrorism). Terrorism implies massive use of fear through action against civilians. Do you think Celts placed bombs in the Forum or had airplanes smash into the Capitolium?

Anyway... imperialism is always imperialism.

3) Judaea!
India!

The Ukraine. *nods*

The Ukraine. *nods*

The Kievan Rus conquered everything West of the Urals, dislodging the indigenous nomadic peoples and assuring that North Asia would be Slavic for centuries to come.

holy shit-its like a retard convention.


The Roman Empire lasted a thousand years and left the world a better place. Countless things were invented and devised by the Romans. Creativity flourished. Commerce thrived.
America has these in common with the Roman empire.

I myself see us falling down the same path the romans did.

1. Corruption in the government: As I always say you can buy yourself into the white house. *cough cough Bush*
Corruption exists in the government of any large state, and probably in the small ones, too. The Republic had laws against that, just as we did, the difference being, they actually prosecuted people now and then for rigging elections.

2. Popularity among the people: Bush is really popular amoung the billionaire club for all the amazing tax breaks he's giving them.
I wouldn't equate the "billionaire club" with "the people."

3. Butting into forighn affairs: Julieus Ceasar went to Gual without invitation US into Iraq.
Actually, Caesar was invited into Gaul, by allied tribes who were afraid of being invaded by the Helvetii moving out of Switzerland (those barbaric Swiss!). Did he exceed the parameters of his original mission statement? Yeah, probably.

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.
The Gauls did sack Rome around 390 BC, but they were the only ones between then and 410 AD. More Roman armies sacked the city in those 800 years than barbarians. There were, of course, barbarian tribes all around the borders of the Republic and Empire, who were trouble, from time to time, but I wouldn't call them terrorists. They had no agenda beyond loot and perhaps finding a new place to live.

Personally I feel us and Rome are disturbingly common. I just hope we don't turn out be an American Empire. But If we do I call the East American Empire!

And as someone said earlier, the Rome/America analogy has been worn out.

I don't see the similarity. For one thing, the Romans cared more about their gladiator fights than they did about their government.

Changing the subject, I'm looking forward to football tonight.

:D

Many many conservative commentators complained about the third movie being a thinly veiled criticism of the Bush administration. Not really all that satirical other than in that the conservatives are rather self-satirizing these days.

They also complained that Captain Planet endorsed socialism, painted an overly-rosey picture of the Soviet Union, and described global warming as a *gasp* problem!

They're silly. ;)

They also complained that Captain Planet endorsed socialism, painted an overly-rosey picture of the Soviet Union, and described global warming as a *gasp* problem!

They're silly. ;)

Fuck you! Captain Planet is our hero. In fact, he's gonna take polution down to -zero-, and I'm gonna help him put asunder bad guys who like to do things like loot and plunder!

*resists like a bastard to keep from singing the rest of the song*

Fuck you! Captain Planet is our hero. In fact, he's gonna take polution down to -zero-, and I'm gonna help him put asunder bad guys who like to do things like loot and plunder!

*resists like a bastard to keep from singing the rest of the song*

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have to say that Captain Planet was probably the best cartoon ever made. I wish it would come back and educate a whole new generation...

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have to say that Captain Planet was probably the best cartoon ever made. I wish it would come back and educate a whole new generation...

Oh it was friggin' awesome, I'll give you that.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=164

Heart! *thump-thump*

Oh it was friggin' awesome, I'll give you that.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=164

Heart! *thump-thump*

xD

That's fabulous.

xD

That's fabulous.

Yeah, I <3 that comic with a passion. It's one of those comics where you can look through the archives over and over again without ever being bored with them. =)

I myself see us falling down the same path the romans did.

1. Corruption in the government: As I always say you can buy yourself into the white house. *cough cough Bush*

2. Popularity among the people: Bush is really popular amoung the billionaire club for all the amazing tax breaks he's giving them.

3. Butting into forighn affairs: Julieus Ceasar went to Gual without invitation US into Iraq.

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.

Personally I feel us and Rome are disturbingly common. I just hope we don't turn out be an American Empire. But If we do I call the East American Empire!

You completely forgot to add that both have aquaducts

I myself see us falling down the same path the romans did.

1. Corruption in the government: As I always say you can buy yourself into the white house. *cough cough Bush*
Virtually every major government in history...

2. Popularity among the people: Bush is really popular amoung the billionaire club for all the amazing tax breaks he's giving them.
and you're comparing what here?

3. Butting into forighn affairs: Julieus Ceasar went to Gual without invitation US into Iraq.
This would be legit if it weren't for the fact that every other major state in history has done this sort of shit.

4. Terroism: Celts and other barbaric tribes terroised Rome while Al Qaeda terroises us and the known world.


Actually, the Celts and other Barbarians were more akin to random...uh...barbarians, not terrorists. Instead the pirates who attacked Ostia and burned the Revenuer Fleet of Rome is probably a better similarity.