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New IMs just released show that Foley interrupted a vote on the floor of the House so he could go have cybersex with a high school student who had served as a congressional page. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/new_foley_insta.html)

ABC News now has obtained 52 separate instant message exchanges, which former pages say were sent by Foley, using the screen name Maf54, to two different boys under the age of 18.

This message was dated April 2003, at approximately 7 p.m., according to the message time stamp.
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Maf54: I miss you
Teen: ya me too
Maf54: we are still voting
Maf54: you miss me too

The exchange continues in which Foley and the teen both appear to describe having sexual orgasms.

Maf54: ok..i better go vote..did you know you would have this effect on me
Teen: lol I guessed
Teen: ya go vote…I don't want to keep you from doing our job
Maf54: can I have a good kiss goodnight
Teen: :-*
Teen: <kiss>

The House voted that evening on HR 1559, Emergency War Time supplemental appropriations.
Oh, that classy guy.

New IMs just released show that Foley interrupted a vote on the floor of the House so he could go have cybersex with a high school student who had served as a congressional page. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/new_foley_insta.html)


Oh, that classy guy.

Hey, he's a recovering alcoholic, it was the booze talking. :rolleyes: Notice how fast he dove into rehab to get out of the spotlight? And before anyone flames me, I think there are plenty of bleeding-heart liberal Hollywood types who need a swift kick in the fundament instead of rehab, too. If everyone who used alcoholism as an excuse for plain old bad behavior and poor judgment ... I'd have bought stock in Seagrams and Anheiser Busch.

This guy belongs in prison - and with these new exchanges I imagine that's just where he'll be. The irony is that they'll use the laws he crafted and helped pass to put him there.

Wasn't Foley on the committee for Missing and Exploited Children, too, or something like that? It's just more irony.

Ah, good old GOP, the bastion of righteous, God-fearing heterosexuality...:rolleyes:

Hey, he's a recovering alcoholic, it was the booze talking. :rolleyes: Notice how fast he dove into rehab to get out of the spotlight? And before anyone flames me, I think there are plenty of bleeding-heart liberal Hollywood types who need a swift kick in the fundament instead of rehab, too. If everyone who used alcoholism as an excuse for plain old bad behavior and poor judgment ... I'd have bought stock in Seagrams and Anheiser Busch.

Yeah. Normally I like women but last night I had a few beers and found myself waiting outside the local highschool gym to give the basketball team handjobs when they finnished practice. I don't know what happened. :confused: One minute I was talking to this really hot bartender and the next I was wanking all these highscholl kids off. I guess alcohol does that to you if you're not carefull.

Wasn't Foley on the committee for Missing and Exploited Children, too, or something like that? It's just more irony.

Yup. As Jon Stewart says, politicians are put on committees whose mission is also that of the politicians greatest weakness. So Foley being there would make absolute sense. ;)

Ok this is sick beyond belief. *throws up* ugh...

However one does has to wonder why the teen isn't resisting his advances in these convos.

Still sick. *throws up again*

Ok this is sick beyond belief. *throws up* ugh...

However one does has to wonder why the teen isn't resisting his advances in these convos.

Still sick. *throws up again*

he might have been scared about losing his pageship, considering he was a kid and the guy is a congressman.

Some people are calling for Hastert to resign as well.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/house-speaker-under-fire-in-foley/20060929145509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

this is approaching monica lewinsky levels.....

Wasn't Foley on the committee for Missing and Exploited Children, too, or something like that? It's just more irony.

Ah, good old GOP, the bastion of righteous, God-fearing heterosexuality...:rolleyes:

Chair of the committee

That fatassed ignorant slob hastert is probably in on this pederasty, and needs to be forced out.

Yeah. Normally I like women but last night I had a few beers and found myself waiting outside the local highschool gym to give the basketball team handjobs when they finnished practice. I don't know what happened. :confused: One minute I was talking to this really hot bartender and the next I was wanking all these highscholl kids off. I guess alcohol does that to you if you're not carefull.

Its only now that the stout, the black-outs, and that Christian Brothers robe I never remember buying make a horrific kind of sense.....

Some people are calling for Hastert to resign as well.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/house-speaker-under-fire-in-foley/20060929145509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

this is approaching monica lewinsky levels.....

And some of them are :eek: In his own party!

And some of them are :eek: In his own party!

Can you blame them? The man looks like a paedophile, or if you squint your eyes, newt gingrich after 4 straight weeks of constipation.

Its only now that the stout, the black-outs, and that Christian Brothers robe I never remember buying make a horrific kind of sense.....

Wait! That was ... you?

he might have been scared about losing his pageship, considering he was a kid and the guy is a congressman.

That is true, also I wonder where they get these convos at.

*throws up again* Ugh the more I think about it the more sick I become.

Yeah. Normally I like women but last night I had a few beers and found myself waiting outside the local highschool gym to give the basketball team handjobs when they finnished practice. I don't know what happened. :confused: One minute I was talking to this really hot bartender and the next I was wanking all these highscholl kids off. I guess alcohol does that to you if you're not carefull.

I'm drinking a wine cooler, now. I better be careful, there may be children outside.


:p

And some of them are :eek: In his own party!

Well, the Washington Times called for his resignation, and when you're a conservative called out by the Moonie Times, you know you've lost the base. Add in folks like Michael Reagan and Michelle Malkin and I don't see how Hastert survives this as Speaker. He may not even be able to keep his seat, as he has a stronger than normal challenger this term.

Wait! That was ... you?

It said "Brother John-Mary" on the tag.......

And some of them are :eek: In his own party!

Let the Republicans fight among themselves. If anything it makes my respect for them go up a notch that they have some standards. Besides, Dems need all the help they can get in November.

Its only now that the stout, the black-outs, and that Christian Brothers robe I never remember buying make a horrific kind of sense.....

PsychoDan: Yeah? So are you wearing the robe right now? :) What do you have underneath?

1) He may very well not be a drinker. It may be a lie to mitigate his behavior. His lawyer made a point to say that he only drank alone at home where there are no witnesses.

2) What's interesting is that he was co chair of the congressional caucus on missing and exploited children and that he'd recently kicked up a big stink about kids in nudist camps. I wonder if he did that sort of thing so he could get access to photographic evidence?

I'm drinking a wine cooler, now. I better be careful, there may be children outside.


:p

PychoDan: Ummm... that sounds good. I've got good visuals now. Are you wearing your boxers or are you naked? :)

Can you blame them? The man looks like a paedophile, or if you squint your eyes, newt gingrich after 4 straight weeks of constipation.

I am so adding that my sig. :D

he might have been scared about losing his pageship, considering he was a kid and the guy is a congressman.

That...or the kid is gay and was actually attracted to Foley. Regardless, the teen in question was underage.

1) He may very well not be a drinker. It may be a lie to mitigate his behavior. His lawyer made a point to say that he only drank alone at home where there are no witnesses.

It's very well known that when you are in rehab reporters have no access to you. that's why he's in there. He'll stay there until either a court orders him to appear for a trial or things die down or he gets his new residence in Bahrain.

Well, the Washington Times called for his resignation, and when you're a conservative called out by the Moonie Times, you know you've lost the base. Add in folks like Michael Reagan and Michelle Malkin and I don't see how Hastert survives this as Speaker. He may not even be able to keep his seat, as he has a stronger than normal challenger this term.

I heard about Reagan and Malkin condemn Hastert, and you're right, when a Republican gets on the wrong side of them, it's over.

And "Think of the children!" keeps running through my mind, along wiht utterly inappropriate variations on "No Child Left Behind."

PychoDan: Ummm... that sounds good. I've got good visuals now. Are you wearing your boxers or are you naked? :)

LOL

LOL

Sorry. Still a little drunk from last night.

Ok this is sick beyond belief. *throws up* ugh...

However one does has to wonder why the teen isn't resisting his advances in these convos.

Still sick. *throws up again*

grow up.

grow up.

You tell him!

grow up.

Well that's one way to shut me up and confuse me. So are you saying that I shouldn't be disgusted about a middle age man coming onto a teenager? What?

So are you saying that I shouldn't be disgusted about a middle age man coming onto a teenager? *snip*

The graphic descriptions are not necessary.

The graphic descriptions are not necessary.

Well, I actually did do that... after reading sippits of the IM convo...

Oh, I'd love to be politician then when I get impeached I can say "I told you I am an alcoholic womanizer! You just weren't listening!"

Oh, I'd love to be politician then when I get impeached I can say "I told you I am an alcoholic womanizer! You just weren't listening!"

You'd get my vote..

For future reference, what's you're views on public indecency laws?

It just occurred to me that by resigning, Foley puts himself in the hands of the law sooner rather than later. I mean, I doubt he'd be re-elected, but since serving Congressmen can't be arrested, he could have stuck itout until January, at least.

Trilby63;11762849']You'd get my vote..

For future reference, what's you're views on public indecency laws?

Personally I think we need newer, tougher laws requiring public indecency.

TBH whilst somewhat unsavoury, this hardly strikes me as terrible evil or peadophilic. Even so you'd have thought he'd have valued his job more than do this.

At least no-ones talking about the insane bills bush is pushing through congress whilst this is happening.

Trilby63;11762849']You'd get my vote..

For future reference, what's you're views on public indecency laws?

They're indecent!

TBH whilst somewhat unsavoury, this hardly strikes me as terrible evil or peadophilic. Even so you'd have thought he'd have valued his job more than do this.

At least no-ones talking about the insane bills bush is pushing through congress whilst this is happening.

Police are investigating him now, so we'll see exactly how far Foley took it.

Once again the Daily Show cut straight to the heart of the GOP's problems in this area...

Jon Stewart: "The truth is, there's ample evidence top GOP aides knew of Foley's emails and bad behavior as early as 2002 and as late as last year, and apparently decided to rip a page from the Catholic Church's School of Scandal Management."

[cut to clip of Fox News interview]

Chris Wallace: "During all those months they left Foley in the House Republican leadership, they left him as the head of the congressional caucus dealing with exploited children. No second thoughts about that?"

Newt Gingrich: "Well, you could have second thoughts about it, but I think had they overly aggressively reacted to the initial round, they would also have been accused of gay bashing."

[cut to Stewart impersonating Gingrich]

Jon Stewart: "'You know politically we did the math, pros and cons. Made more sense to keep the paedophile there.' [laughter] And by the way, equating a 52-year-old congressman who preys on 16-year-olds with being gay may be one reason the GOP is accused of gay bashing."

:D :D :D

So funny, and so true...

For those of us unfortunates who can't watch the Daily Show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMfQDbFESmM

:D

For those of us unfortunates who can't watch the Daily Show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMfQDbFESmM

:D

And colberts take on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HsZqKe_mek&NR

Last night's Daily Show is re-airing right now on Comedy Central, if anybody missed it.

Can the Senate grow any worse? Let's just dissolve the whole thing and start it from scratch, this time with term limits.

I'm not sure if this whole situation is hilarious or not.

I'm not sure if this whole situation is hilarious or not.
Hilarious is certainly not the word I would use for it. Nauseating is more like it, especially since the "bombshell" Foley's lawyer had for the press this afternoon is that he was molested as a teen by a Catholic priest--as though that's going to mollify the situation any.

Hilarious is certainly not the word I would use for it. Nauseating is more like it, especially since the "bombshell" Foley's lawyer had for the press this afternoon is that he was molested as a teen by a Catholic priest--as though that's going to mollify the situation any.

I meant hilarious in that the scramble the GOP is in right now is reminiscent of a Monty Python sketch.

I meant hilarious in that the scramble the GOP is in right now is reminiscent of a Monty Python sketch.
That much is true. Background music of Yakety Sax would not be inappropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr8qQ-VX9i8

I just watched this and thought I'd share it, if you haven't yet seen it yourself. Considering the ease with which Cliff Schecter reeled off dozens of names of well-known Republicans guilty of, or under investigation for very serious crimes - even though they seemingly aren't subject to the fishbowl effect of the media - do you suppose that Cleta Mitchell's supposition that the one or two Democrats she listed are darlings of that same media holds water?

Just curious.

Well you know, i heard it on this very forum that Foley is just the victim of liberals deliberately misconstruing his perfectly legal and consentual harmless playtime. Must be true.

It will be beyond hilarious if that fatassed pederast slime hastert is forced out.

He was a high school boy's wrestling coach before he was a congressmen, and look at the sleazy lecher!

Well you know, i heard it on this very forum that Foley is just the victim of liberals deliberately misconstruing his perfectly legal and consentual harmless playtime. Must be true.

Don't forget the democrats. Rush said it was a political ploy of the democrats!

Don't forget the democrats. Rush said it was a political ploy of the democrats!

Of course. In fact, "liberal" just means "Democrat" and vice versa. Didn't you know? ;)

Don't forget the democrats. Rush said it was a political ploy of the democrats!So did Hastert--like he's so important that we would go through all this just to get rid of him.

I'm going to do some speculating here--anyone else notice how the machine really started to crumble when DeLay was forced out? That really seems to have been the moment when it all started to fall apart for the Republicans in the House. Since then, it's been scandal after scandal, and ineptitude after ineptitude. It's never been any secret that DeLay was the real power behind Hastert--Hastert's never been more than a stuffed suit--but I think I underestimated how dumb Boehner was, along with the rest of the DeLay wannabes.

I'd be a lot more concerned if David Dreier were the House Majority Leader right now, because he's sharp. Too bad for the Republicans that they can't handle the notion of having a closeted gay man as Majority Leader.

I love this bit from the aol news report:
LaHood said Wednesday he was standing by Hastert and predicted his fellow House Republicans would, too. It's not the speaker who should go, LaHood said, but the "antiquated" page system that brings 15- and 16-year-olds to the Capitol and has resulted in scandals in the past.

"Some members betray their trust by taking advantage of them. We should not subject young men and women to this kind of activity, this kind of vulnerability," LaHood said in a CNN interview. He said the program should be suspended, at least until its flaws can be corrected.
Yep, that's right. Let's blame the pages. They force the congressmen into lewd and unsavoury practises just by being there showing off their pert nubile bodies.
What next? Demand for more public toilets on Capitol hill so congressmen can go cottaging more often? What about more frequent and extended visits by boy scout troops?

GOP really just doesn't get it at all, do they?

Someone needs to shut that idiot up...aside from being a disgrace he's a pedophile and an idiot.


He's making EXCUSES now...no more personal responsibility for him....no no no ...



His DNA needs to be erased .

I just found a list of Republican pedophiles. I guess we can add one more to the list.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

He was a high school boy's wrestling coach before he was a congressmen, and look at the sleazy lecher!

For the love of Jaysus.....you couldn't make it up.....

"Now Boys...have you ever seen any movies about gladiators"

I just found a list of Republican pedophiles. I guess we can add one more to the list.


But Fox says he's a Democrat...

Linkey (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/04/bill-oreilly-labels-rep-foley-a-democrat/)

And we all know the sole vioce of truth in this sea of librul media tells the truth and would never delibrately try to present this in a false light claiming an accident.

But Fox says he's a Democrat...

Linkey (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/04/bill-oreilly-labels-rep-foley-a-democrat/)

And we all know the sole vioce of truth in this sea of librul media tells the truth and would never delibrately try to present this in a false light claiming an accident.

Yeah, but everyone knows Fox is an islamofascist propaganda arm of Al Qaeda.

But Fox says he's a Democrat...

Linkey (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/04/bill-oreilly-labels-rep-foley-a-democrat/)

And we all know the sole vioce of truth in this sea of librul media tells the truth and would never delibrately try to present this in a false light claiming an accident.

And it's perfect that it happens on O'Reilly, because then the Fox apologists can say "but it happened on an analysis show, not a news show."

And it's perfect that it happens on O'Reilly, because then the Fox apologists can say "but it happened on an analysis show, not a news show."
But then again, they can trot out that excuse for anything shown on FOX. What part of FOX 'news' isn't opinion?

But then again, they can trot out that excuse for anything shown on FOX. What part of FOX 'news' isn't opinion?
I think they do serious news from 3:28 a.m. to 3:42 a.m. every third Thursday that falls on an even number day of the calendar month.

I think they do serious news from 3:28 a.m. to 3:42 a.m. every third Thursday that falls on an even number day of the calendar month.
I'll have to take your word for that. I find watching it for more than a few minutes brings me out in a rash.

I'm not sure if this whole situation is hilarious or not.

its an absolute disgrace. Foleys a lowlife scumbag and now, whats not getting done while BOTH sides sling shovels full of shit at each other?

We citizens ought to fire ALL of them and replace them immediately.


I have no respect for either side- no one is responsible for anything they do wrong-its all someone else's fault. And instead of doing anything good, they spend all their time pointing at what someone else is doing wrong.

nearly every last one is a useless scumbag.

And it's perfect that it happens on O'Reilly, because then the Fox apologists can say "but it happened on an analysis show, not a news show."

There are no "news shows" anymore... there are just half a dozen channels worth of jackasses trying to make something out of nothing to keep talking about it for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

They get a story and the story they tell itself becomes a story, they bring in retired opposing "experts" and "strategists" that suppose and speculate and generally just froth at the mouth. Somewhere along the line, we find these individuals have just written a book recently, which apparently anyone can write on anything these days.
now-everything that happens is "Breaking News"- years ago, that meant something was actually occuring.
Now- it could be a disgraceful politician-one that happens to have been caught- or a police chase in LA. Or an approaching storm.

The constant reporting is shaping the outcome, the crooked polling results change people's minds.

There are no "news shows" anymore... there are just half a dozen channels worth of jackasses trying to make something out of nothing to keep talking about it for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

They get a story and the story they tell itself becomes a story, they bring in retired opposing "experts" and "strategists" that suppose and speculate and generally just froth at the mouth. Somewhere along the line, we find these individuals have just written a book recently, which apparently anyone can write on anything these days.
now-everything that happens is "Breaking News"- years ago, that meant something was actually occuring.
Now- it could be a disgraceful politician-one that happens to have been caught- or a police chase in LA. Or an approaching storm.

The constant reporting is shaping the outcome, the crooked polling results change people's minds.
Or worse--it's some sort of celebrity sighting. Hell, who won on American Idol is considered a hard news story some weeks. What's next? The outcome of WWE wrestling matches during sports?

Or worse--it's some sort of celebrity sighting. Hell, who won on American Idol is considered a hard news story some weeks. What's next? The outcome of WWE wrestling matches during sports?

Yeah-and they'll all gush about it, desperately trying to make it more interesting.

24 hour news channels in the US are creating more problems than we know. They are on the same level as sitting and watching Jerry Springer.
People buy into it, they think everyone else is sitting at home watching too, they believe the polls, they thinks tragedy, war and disaster are immenent.
These shows change people's minds-but not because of facts- because of opinions and bias. They influence elections.

In my opionion, they largely contributed to artificially inflated real estate values, then made them plummet as well. Same with fuel prices. Stock market.
Its a dangerous trend. Its moronic.

The Foley story just keeps getting better


Jesus! Don't you mean worse?

I love this bit from the aol news report:

Yep, that's right. Let's blame the pages. They force the congressmen into lewd and unsavoury practises just by being there showing off their pert nubile bodies.
What next? Demand for more public toilets on Capitol hill so congressmen can go cottaging more often? What about more frequent and extended visits by boy scout troops?

GOP really just doesn't get it at all, do they?

No. It seems like the few who ever did have either left the party or become quiet subservients to the more powerful clueless leaders.

They don't have a story yet but CNN had this:

Kirk Fordham, chief of staff to Rep. Tom Reynolds, resigns amid fallout from Rep. Mark Foley's sex messages to a teenage page, CNN confirms.

They don't have a story yet but CNN had this:

Kirk Fordham, chief of staff to Rep. Tom Reynolds, resigns amid fallout from Rep. Mark Foley's sex messages to a teenage page, CNN confirms.
Ooooh. I've been working and hadn't seen that. I wonder if Reynolds will resign too, seeing as he pressured Foley to run again even after seeing the emails from last year? He's already in a tough re-election battle, and this can't help.

That...or the kid is gay and was actually attracted to Foley. Regardless, the teen in question was underage.

Sadly, not. 16 is the age of consent in the District.


Now, there has been several questions raised about the applicability of all things of the Mann act, but that's just conjecture. He isn't going to jail for this, it's just distasteful.

its an absolute disgrace. Foleys a lowlife scumbag and now, whats not getting done while BOTH sides sling shovels full of shit at each other?

We citizens ought to fire ALL of them and replace them immediately.


I have no respect for either side- no one is responsible for anything they do wrong-its all someone else's fault. And instead of doing anything good, they spend all their time pointing at what someone else is doing wrong.

nearly every last one is a useless scumbag.

i could not say it better myself!

time to clean the diaper known as washington d.c.

also,
i found it quite interesting that foley was an avid reader.
funny thing is,he never used bookmarks....



he just bent over the page.....


dodges tomatoes....sorry,had too.

Sadly, not. 16 is the age of consent in the District.


Now, there has been several questions raised about the applicability of all things of the Mann act, but that's just conjecture. He isn't going to jail for this, it's just distasteful.

I think Foley was in Florida and the kid was home in Louisiana when some of this happened... so the DC age of consent doesn't pertain.

I think Foley was in Florida and the kid was home in Louisiana when some of this happened... so the DC age of consent doesn't pertain.

Like mentioned with the IM's though was he not taking a break in session when he sent the messages ... would he not then be in DC?

For that set of IM's, yes... but I believe for the originally released ones he was in Florida.

I don't know exactly how this works, but doesn't "age of consent" only apply if the people are about the same age?

16 year olds can consent to sex with 18 year olds, but not 52 year olds.

It stops stupid situations where couples who are dating in high school have to break up when the older of the pair turns 18 (ie: it gives a little leeway around statuatory rape laws for 16-19 year olds, or something like that) but certainly not 16 year olds and 52 year olds.

I don't know exactly how this works, but doesn't "age of consent" only apply if the people are about the same age?

16 year olds can consent to sex with 18 year olds, but not 52 year olds.

It stops stupid situations where couples who are dating in high school have to break up when the older of the pair turns 18 (ie: it gives a little leeway around statuatory rape laws for 16-19 year olds, or something like that) but certainly not 16 year olds and 52 year olds.

I'm no expert on the specific law in this case, but that's generally the way age of consent laws work--the partners have too be within 4 years of age of each other, and even if you're counting in dog years, this doesn't pass the test.

But in the end, it really doesn't change things if Foley goes to jail or not. A good enough lawyer will make that point moot, and Foley has the money to get a good enough lawyer. The illegality of this matter doesn't change the immorality of it.

Hey I got a question about this Foley case.

Who the hell leaked this story? I never hear people mention that. How did this story surface?

Sadly, not. 16 is the age of consent in the District.


Now, there has been several questions raised about the applicability of all things of the Mann act, but that's just conjecture. He isn't going to jail for this, it's just distasteful.

Not when it is over the internet. What makes this story so great is Foley was the one who got a law that made the age of consent 18 nationwide if it is over the internet. So... You're wrong.

Hey I got a question about this Foley case.

Who the hell leaked this story? I never hear people mention that. How did this story surface?

I just kinda assumed one of the kids came forward (must be how ABC got the transcript of the conversation)

According to Bob Ross, the emails came from a GOP aide who is no longer working in Congress. He was there at the beginning of the story but has since left.

I think they do serious news from 3:28 a.m. to 3:42 a.m. every third Thursday that falls on an even number day of the calendar month.

LOL! That gets a sig.

This just in. The right side of the blogosphere is filled with scumbags. (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/outing-foley-victim/)
An obscure right-wing blogger, Wild Bill, has outed one of Mark Foley’s victims, a former Congressional page. It is a despicable act. Wild Bill however, gets almost no traffic, so the damage done to the victim’s life could have been minimal.

All that ended, however, when some of the most highly-trafficked right-wing bloggers decided to direct their readers to Wild Bill’s site. First, Roger L. Simon, co-founder and CEO of Pajamas Media — a portal and advertising broker for nearly every major right-wing blog — posted a link to Wild Bill on his personal site. (The Pajamas Media portal also linked to Wild Bill.) Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit — probably the most highly-trafficked right-wing blog — followed suit by linking to Simon’s post and the Pajamas Media post.
Fuck those guys.

Look the Scumbag Sutter screwed a page didnt get thrown out on congress...he retired in 1996...Clinton just Got blow jobs from an intern...but he's the president ...he earned at least that ..Foleys is just a common pervert who happens to also be gay..so he has to suffer more for it ?

I realise its october and with elections comming up and he being a republican , well lets have a party and all ..but is it not a bit of a double standard ?

Washington makes Caligua's court look like a small circus at times .

And NEITHER PARTY is in the moral position to be throwing stones .

Makes you wonder though How many gay and perverted pedophile republicans and Democrats are all against Gay marriage and other issues .

Washington.....Soddom on the Potomac .

This just in. The right side of the blogosphere is filled with scumbags. (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/05/outing-foley-victim/)

Fuck those guys.
You act like you're surprised. Why is this? Surely you've realised by now that there's no depths they won't descend to in order to maintain their status quo.
Be interesting to learn how exactly 'WildBill' acquired that bit of info. From someone on Capitol Hill perhaps?

Here we go:

Some more Daily Show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyeIbIyZzo

:D

Clinton just Got blow jobs from an intern...but he's the president ...he earned at least that ..Foleys is just a common pervert who happens to also be gay..so he has to suffer more for it ?
Yes, because getting a chewy off a 23 yr old is exactly the same as a 52 yr old man trying to get it on with a 16 yr old boy.
Been watching too much FOX, old man. It's fried your brain and made you capable of doing nothing more than parrot O'Reilly gibberish.

You act like you're surprised. Why is this? Surely you've realised by now that there's no depths they won't descend to in order to maintain their status quo.
Be interesting to learn how exactly 'WildBill' acquired that bit of info. From someone on Capitol Hill perhaps?

Not surprised. Just noting it for the record, and giggling at the flailing by people like the guy who posted just above you. It's pathetic how they're trying to raise equivalencies in any way they can, especially when they get the facts wrong.

Not surprised. Just noting it for the record, and giggling at the flailing by people like the guy who posted just above you. It's pathetic how they're trying to raise equivalencies in any way they can, especially when they get the facts wrong.
Hey why let facts get in the way of a good ol' equivalence justification rant?
Anything that'll help them sleep better at night.

Just waiting for the right-wing blogs to start digging up dirt on the page. Nothing helps alleviate cognitive dissonance than blaming the victim.

I just found a list of Republican pedophiles. I guess we can add one more to the list.

That looks like a list of Republican sexual criminals rather than a list of pedophiles. (There might be a couple in there, but not a majority.) The ones molesting their children are really just supporting "classic conservative family values" where children are essentially the property of their parents (particularly the father) to do with as they please.

As for Foley, the issue isn't the age of the page. The issue is their relative positions. If it's sexual harrassment for your boss to send you dirty IMs, it's still sexual harrassment if the boss is a congressman.

The hypocracy of all this is what pisses me off most. Like so many lawmakers, they think the laws they make are just for everyone else. They make laws with no intention of being bound by those laws.

You all think you're disgusted by this guy?

That looks like a list of Republican sexual criminals rather than a list of pedophiles. (There might be a couple in there, but not a majority.) The ones molesting their children are really just supporting "classic conservative family values" where children are essentially the property of their parents (particularly the father) to do with as they please.

As for Foley, the issue isn't the age of the page. The issue is their relative positions. If it's sexual harrassment for your boss to send you dirty IMs, it's still sexual harrassment if the boss is a congressman.

The hypocracy of all this is what pisses me off most. Like so many lawmakers, they think the laws they make are just for everyone else. They make laws with no intention of being bound by those laws.

You all think you're disgusted by this guy?

A: I hope you're kidding with the kids being property thing.

B: The age is half the issue - he's a dirty old man in charge of making decisions that affect our country. Not only that, but he excused himself to go whack off with the kid over the internet in the middle of a voting session. The other half is the statutory sexual harassment - people have sued businesses for millions of dollars for much less than what this idiot has done.

EDIT: C: Also, he blames it on alcohol and still won't admit to being a predatorial homosexual. The fact that he won't own up to his own actions and blames it on something else makes me even more disgusted that he was able to be elected into office - there's been far too much of this kind of action recently. Accept responsibility!

A: I hope you're kidding with the kids being property thing.

He isn't. He's a pedophile and that factors into his belief that children are treated like property (otherwise, they'd be 'free' to 'consent' to having sex with adults, see). He believes that age of consent laws are unfair to children (and pedophiles).

He isn't. He's a pedophile and that factors into his belief that children are treated like property (otherwise, they'd be 'free' to 'consent' to having sex with adults, see). He believes that age of consent laws are unfair to children (and pedophiles).

Ah. Well. The finger to him, then.

A: I hope you're kidding with the kids being property thing.

Why would I be joking about that? Conservative "family values" stress the nuclear family with the father as the absolute monarch, allowed to do as he pleases with the other members of the household. Those additudes have been linked quite effectively to spousal abuse, and it isn't that much of a stretch to relate them to child abuse as well.

B: The age is half the issue - he's a dirty old man in charge of making decisions that affect our country. Not only that, but he excused himself to go whack off with the kid over the internet in the middle of a voting session. The other half is the statutory sexual harassment - people have sued businesses for millions of dollars for much less than what this idiot has done.

I'm not sure if you realise this, but having a sex drive, and even unusual fetishes doesn't diminish a person's ability to do his job, or serve as a criminal offense. What is a criminal offense is his sexual harrassment. It would still count as sexual harrassment if the minor in question had been over 18, and I thought I read somewhere (in this thread, I think) that the "children" in question were over the age of consent anyway, so the "statutory" aspect is pretty much moot.

EDIT: C: Also, he blames it on alcohol and still won't admit to being a predatorial homosexual. The fact that he won't own up to his own actions and blames it on something else makes me even more disgusted that he was able to be elected into office - there's been far too much of this kind of action recently. Accept responsibility!
If you missed it, he's also blaming it on being molested as a child by a priest. People do need to take responsibility for their own actions. Being victumised isn't a carte blanch for criminal behavior.
He isn't. He's a pedophile and that factors into his belief that children are treated like property (otherwise, they'd be 'free' to 'consent' to having sex with adults, see). He believes that age of consent laws are unfair to children (and pedophiles).
Do you just follow me around to use my existence as an excuse to troll?
Ah. Well. The finger to him, then.

I see you're more interested in one liners than a mature discussion. Good day.