NationStates Jolt Archive

Alright, this is just my little way to see on how we can get some good purposes to stay in Iraq other then looking for weapons of mass destruction.

By the way there are two jokes in there the first one to find them both gets Leonard Nimoy’s soul.

Because if we left now the effect would be rather like taking away the legs of a table, with the Iraqi people as the fine china on top.

I have it on good authority that someone has buried a pot of gold in Iraq. We should try and find that, by occupying the nation for a few more decades.

Also, a renowned biological institute has confirmed that there may be unicorns living in a bunker in Iraq. Unless you hate unicorns (and therefore Democracy), we should stay for that too.

The only reason why the US should stay in Iraq is to prevent Iran from establishing total dominance in the region. Iraq was always the main opponent to Iran, but now that Saddam is gone and it's fallen into a civil war there's nothing to get in Iran's way, apart from 160 000+ coalition soliders. There never should have been a war in Iraq in the first place, but now that the coalition has fucked everything up they can't just abandon it.

The republicans will likely be voted out of office in 2008, and that means the next party to come along will have to deal with the shit storm Bush has created, a fact which will most likely be touted by the right as a reason why they should stay in power.

I don't think we should stay. It's been 5 year since Bushes "little war" started and it really isn't any of our buisness. UN doesn't think we should be there along with 99.9 percent of the world.

Stay for tan.

By staying, we're only prolonging, exacerbating, and intensifying the bloodshed. A withdrawal would damage no one, aside from this corrupt administration and its credibility in the world.

By staying, we're only prolonging, exacerbating, and intensifying the bloodshed. A withdrawal would damage no one, aside from this corrupt administration and its credibility in the world.Well, no, sport. Withdrawal would enhance the image of 'this administration' in the short run, but damn the Iraqi people in the long one. And screw both over for good.

Well, no, sport. Withdrawal would enhance the image of 'this administration' in the short run, but damn the Iraqi people in the long one. And screw both over for good.

Our very presence helps instigate much of this bloodshed.

Evidence for that claim? The US troops are no longer the sole (or even major) target of insurgents, according to Foreign Policy's July/August Terrorism Index (source is IIRC, I don't have it on hand). The current goal of insurgents seems to be the removal of the new (and in their eyes, illegitimate) Iraqi government, and the extermination of the other side (as in, Shia killing Sunni, or vice-versa).

Coalition (let's not forget the Brits, shall we?) troops are currently the only armed force that both is fighting for a stable government and doesn't switch sides in the middle of the night. Iraqi police units, while increasing in number, are filled with people who, after the sun goes down, happily turn those AKs on other innocent Iraqis. If we left now, the situation would likely spiral out of control and another power would be forced to intervene to prevent the total destablization of the region.

So, yes. Iraq is nasty, and it's not improving yet. It might not for a good while, but all finger-pointing aside, the coalition has to stay until the Iraqi army and police can keep order on their own, without having to cave to any particular armed faction.

We screwed up by going there in the first place. Unfortunately, every option we have now will screw things up in some way.
They're all bad choices for one reason or another. I have yet to figure out which ones will leave us the least screwed.

Damn it! Learn how to spell!!! (#4 option especially!)

Because if we leave there will be violence, death, a threat of a civil war, unstable government, growing strength of Iran in the region. Oh whats that? Thats already happening now you say? Whatever, stay the course....or something:rolleyes: The only reason we're still there is for bases to launch an attack against Iran from the west while we hit from Afghanistan in the east.

The obvious answer:

Find another Saddam and arm him to the teeth and let him get things under control however he has to do it. Only this time the new Saddam will be beholden to the US and Brits. (Of course that's how the original Saddam started out.)

It wouldn't be the first time the US has done this. South Korea was a dictatorship for many years after the war. And S. Vietnam was always a dictatorship.

Advantages:

More people have been killed per year under US control than under Saddam. And Saddam only killed criminals, treasoners, their supporters and families. Under US control people are killed at random.

The oil will flow again, which was the original goal.

There will be a power to offset Iran.

Troops can be moved to Afganistan. Thereby having strength on two sides of Iran.

The people can live in safety if not freedom. Of course the US is giving up freedom for safety so what's the difference.

Our very presence helps instigate much of this bloodshed.

Not true. Very few attacks are even aimed at Coalition targets any more, rather the terrorists are aiming their attacks weaker targets, who they call 'collaborators', but who are actually, sectarian minorities, the elected government and anyone else who does not join their insane jihad. If we were to leave there would be open civil war.

You guys fucked up the country. You can't just leave it like that.

"We should stay to honor the cause that our soldiers are fighting for."
-Something my grandpa would say.

Honestly, I have no idea what we should do.

http://www.exile.ru/2006-April-07/war_nerd.html

We shouldn't leave until everyone in the US gets the 50 gallons of free gasoline we were promised. I know that was in one of Bush's speeches about why we should go in. I want my free gas, damn it!

We shouldn't leave until everyone in the US gets the 50 gallons of free gasoline we were promised. I know that was in one of Bush's speeches about why we should go in. I want my free gas, damn it!

50 gallons of free gas is nice, but having my friend in the military home and safe would be nice too.

50 gallons of free gas is nice, but having my friend in the military home and safe would be nice too.

Yeah, I'm sure. :cool: Okay, I'll let the free gas go.

Yeah, I'm sure. :cool: Okay, I'll let the free gas go.

But then again, gas is so damn expensive...

And many of my other closer friends live pretty far away...

Hmmm...

You guys fucked up the country. You can't just leave it like that.

Well you got us there.