NationStates Jolt Archive


Gas prices are going through the roof

Amadenijad
03-10-2006, 01:55
HAHAHA...I LIED!!!! so gas in my area just dropped from $3.09/gallon to $1.96/ gallon in little more than 2 weeks. Crude oil prices have dropped from a high of $77 to $61 in about a month. So why are people still complaining so much. 1.96 is less than a gallon of milk for god sakes. That, in my opinion is very reasonable.
Wilgrove
03-10-2006, 01:58
That is true, but Gas, eh it's a finite resource, and sooner or later we're going to run out and the prices will go back up. What we ought to be doing during this time of low prices is finding an alternative fuel that is renewable and can be used in most diesel powered or gas powered cars!
The Nazz
03-10-2006, 01:58
meh. Enjoy it, because it won't last. This is a temporary drop which always comes about this time of year. And it's only down to $2.50 a gallon in my neighborhood.
Pyotr
03-10-2006, 01:59
HAHAHA...I LIED!!!! so gas in my area just dropped from $3.09/gallon to $1.96/ gallon in little more than 2 weeks. Crude oil prices have dropped from a high of $77 to $61 in about a month. So why are people still complaining so much. 1.96 is less than a gallon of milk for god sakes. That, in my opinion is very reasonable.

Bah, if anything I was hoping the Gas Prices would stay around 3$ maybe then the US would change its lifestyle, maybe consume a little less.
Nevered
03-10-2006, 01:59
HAHAHA...I LIED!!!! so gas in my area just dropped from $3.09/gallon to $1.96/ gallon in little more than 2 weeks. Crude oil prices have dropped from a high of $77 to $61 in about a month. So why are people still complaining so much. 1.96 is less than a gallon of milk for god sakes. That, in my opinion is very reasonable.

because it's a blatant attempt by the oil companies to effect the outcome of the elections.

when Oil prices are up, people blame bush and, by association, all republicans look bad.
New Xero Seven
03-10-2006, 02:01
*fart*
Amadenijad
03-10-2006, 02:01
because it's a blatant attempt by the oil companies to effect the outcome of the elections.

when Oil prices are up, people blame bush and, by association, all republicans look bad.

...i see no problem there
Wilgrove
03-10-2006, 02:01
because it's a blatant attempt by the oil companies to effect the outcome of the elections.

when Oil prices are up, people blame bush and, by association, all republicans look bad.

Ugh, when will people wake up and realize that Bush has NOTHING to do with the oil price. If you want to blame anyone, blame Saudi Arabia, blame the people who are controlling the oil itself! Also, blame the market! China and India's economy are growing and thus require more oil, which creates a higher demand for a finite produce, thus the price goes up! Comon people, your hatred for Bush is clouding your thoughts.
Amadenijad
03-10-2006, 02:02
Ugh, when will people wake up and realize that Bush has NOTHING to do with the oil price. If you want to blame anyone, blame Saudi Arabia, blame the people who are controlling the oil itself! Also, blame the market! China and India's economy are growing and thus require more oil, which creates a higher demand for a finite produce, thus the price goes up! Comon people, your hatred for Bush is clouding your thoughts.



THANK YOU!!!!!!!
New Granada
03-10-2006, 02:05
meh. Enjoy it, because it won't last. This is a temporary drop which always comes about this time of an election year. And it's only down to $2.50 a gallon in my neighborhood.

Fixed that for ya.
Pyotr
03-10-2006, 02:07
*fart*

thank you for expressing your opinion.....
Nadkor
03-10-2006, 02:07
I pay about $7 for a gallon of petrol (unleaded).
The Nazz
03-10-2006, 02:12
Fixed that for ya.

No, you didn't. Much as it pains me to say this, Wilgrove is right. This is a seasonal event. It happens every year like clockwork--summer driving season ends and prices go down. And it's a common election year complaint as well. In 2000, candidate Bush accused candidate Gore of using his influence with Clinton to get him to release some of the strategic oil reserves in order to--you guessed it--lower oil prices and gas prices before the election. It was a crap argument then and it's a crap argument now.
Wilgrove
03-10-2006, 02:36
No, you didn't. Much as it pains me to say this, Wilgrove is right. This is a seasonal event. It happens every year like clockwork--summer driving season ends and prices go down. And it's a common election year complaint as well. In 2000, candidate Bush accused candidate Gore of using his influence with Clinton to get him to release some of the strategic oil reserves in order to--you guessed it--lower oil prices and gas prices before the election. It was a crap argument then and it's a crap argument now.

I'm just getting tired of the whole BUSH IS EZVIL argument, it gets old very fast.
Pope Barley
03-10-2006, 03:01
Ugh, when will people wake up and realize that Bush has NOTHING to do with the oil price. If you want to blame anyone, blame Saudi Arabia, blame the people who are controlling the oil itself! Also, blame the market! China and India's economy are growing and thus require more oil, which creates a higher demand for a finite produce, thus the price goes up! Comon people, your hatred for Bush is clouding your thoughts.

Ever wonder why the U.S. has some of the cheepist gas prices in the world... maybe it's has to do with big oil being owned my by policial families like the Bush family and the contracts they have with the saudi families. Not only that but if you took any economics classes, the actions taken by the gov't and the the way our leaders react to situations impact, not just the prices of oil, but all apects of the economy. The stock market is phycology the faith a people have in it's leader can effect.... the lack of trust in Bush shows in the stock market as well as everything else. SO either be it for self gain or by mistake Bush does effect oil.
Minaris
03-10-2006, 03:25
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The Nazz
03-10-2006, 03:31
I'm just getting tired of the whole BUSH IS EZVIL argument, it gets old very fast.There's enough legitimate stuff to criticize Bush for that I don't feel the need to pile on with stuff that isn't his fault.
Kinda Sensible people
03-10-2006, 03:33
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Is that a Gas Station in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Delator
03-10-2006, 06:56
Ever wonder why the U.S. has some of the cheepist gas prices in the world... maybe it's has to do with big oil being owned my by policial families like the Bush family and the contracts they have with the saudi families.

Or...

...we don't tax the shit out of our gas here like they do in most other industrialized nations.
Left Euphoria
03-10-2006, 07:23
Everyone knows that Bush is just manipulating the market to get more republicans elected. He's got a control for oil prices right next to the control for all the nucular missals in the world. The oil companys got a grip on the goverment and their feedin us a bunch of lies! Don't let them win> Stop buying gas and vote green in the next elecshun. Or Dem if you don't have greens to pick.
Miiros
03-10-2006, 08:17
Mark my words, gas prices will break $4 a gallon in 2007 and I won't be able to afford the drive to college anymore without working extra hours. =P I wish I had a giant tank I could fill up now while the prices are semi-decent.
Pledgeria
03-10-2006, 08:18
Mark my words, gas prices will break $4 a gallon in 2007 and I won't be able to afford the drive to college anymore without working extra hours. =P I wish I had a giant tank I could fill up now while the prices are semi-decent.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5423229
The Alma Mater
03-10-2006, 08:24
Ever wonder why the U.S. has some of the cheepist gas prices in the world... maybe it's has to do with big oil being owned my by policial families like the Bush family and the contracts they have with the saudi families.

Not really. Other countries just tax oil far more. Officially because those governments believe it is fair to let the users pay for the cleaning up of the pollution they cause as well as the construction of roads etc. - in practice because it is a great way to fill the states treasury.

I do however agree with the official reason. Oilprices should reflect the complete costs of oil, not just the costs to get it out of the ground and into the pump as something useful.
Slartiblartfast
03-10-2006, 09:31
Or...

...we don't tax the shit out of our gas here like they do in most other industrialized nations.

Thats the important part of it all.
In the UK I pay 86p per litre (you can do the maths, I'm too lazy) and most of it is tax, yet we have terrible roads, major congestion, bleat, bleat, moan, moan in typical English fashion
I V Stalin
03-10-2006, 09:54
Thats the important part of it all.
In the UK I pay 86p per litre (you can do the maths, I'm too lazy) and most of it is tax, yet we have terrible roads, major congestion, bleat, bleat, moan, moan in typical English fashion
No, we don't. The roads are fine, congestion isn't that much of a problem. Sure, petrol costs quite a lot, but people never get off their fat arses and try to actually fucking do something about it. If everybody's so concerned about the price of petrol and the environment, maybe they should convert their cars to bio-diesel, or use LPG. But no, they just trot along moaning like wankers.

(This isn't a rant at you Slartiblartfast, it's at the British in general).
Wilgrove
03-10-2006, 19:05
Ever wonder why the U.S. has some of the cheepist gas prices in the world... maybe it's has to do with big oil being owned my by policial families like the Bush family and the contracts they have with the saudi families. Not only that but if you took any economics classes, the actions taken by the gov't and the the way our leaders react to situations impact, not just the prices of oil, but all apects of the economy. The stock market is phycology the faith a people have in it's leader can effect.... the lack of trust in Bush shows in the stock market as well as everything else. SO either be it for self gain or by mistake Bush does effect oil.

*sigh* Bush does not effect oil, the reason we have lower prices than other countries is that we have a more freer and a Capitalistic economy. Supply and Demand. While other countries like Britian and France are mostly relying on Mass Transit to get around, here in the USA we still rely on personal cars. Which means more oil flood into the US economy, thus driving the local prices down. Don't get me wrong though, prices will not stay this low. Also as Nazz said, it's seasonal.
The Nazz
03-10-2006, 19:14
*sigh* Bush does not effect oil, the reason we have lower prices than other countries is that we have a more freer and a Capitalistic economy. Supply and Demand. While other countries like Britian and France are mostly relying on Mass Transit to get around, here in the USA we still rely on personal cars. Which means more oil flood into the US economy, thus driving the local prices down. Don't get me wrong though, prices will not stay this low. Also as Nazz said, it's seasonal.

It's not the economy--it's the level of taxation and what that money is put toward. Most European countries tax the living shit out of gas in order to provide that mass transit (and I would love it if we would do the same here) and to reduce traffic congestion. I'll make that tradeoff in a heartbeat, and this is the perfect time to do it, when gas prices are lower. Jack them back up to three bucks, three-fifty a gallon and put the money toward crash programs in mass transit and alternative fuels and get us off the fossil fuels.

Sadly, it'll never happen.
PsychoticDan
03-10-2006, 19:16
Ugh, when will people wake up and realize that Bush has NOTHING to do with the oil price. If you want to blame anyone, blame Saudi Arabia, blame the people who are controlling the oil itself! Also, blame the market! China and India's economy are growing and thus require more oil, which creates a higher demand for a finite produce, thus the price goes up! Comon people, your hatred for Bush is clouding your thoughts.

We don't agree much, but yep.
PsychoticDan
03-10-2006, 19:17
It's not the economy--it's the level of taxation and what that money is put toward. Most European countries tax the living shit out of gas in order to provide that mass transit (and I would love it if we would do the same here) and to reduce traffic congestion. I'll make that tradeoff in a heartbeat, and this is the perfect time to do it, when gas prices are lower. Jack them back up to three bucks, three-fifty a gallon and put the money toward crash programs in mass transit and alternative fuels and get us off the fossil fuels.

Sadly, it'll never happen.

We agree more often, so yep.



I'm post humping too much but I keep finding people saying what I want to say. :confused:
Utracia
03-10-2006, 19:19
HAHAHA...I LIED!!!! so gas in my area just dropped from $3.09/gallon to $1.96/ gallon in little more than 2 weeks. Crude oil prices have dropped from a high of $77 to $61 in about a month. So why are people still complaining so much. 1.96 is less than a gallon of milk for god sakes. That, in my opinion is very reasonable.

As I said my my gas thread, my only concern is people giving Bush credit for the falling gas prices. Kind of makes the joy for cheaper gas turn sour when I see that.
Wilgrove
03-10-2006, 19:21
It's not the economy--it's the level of taxation and what that money is put toward. Most European countries tax the living shit out of gas in order to provide that mass transit (and I would love it if we would do the same here) and to reduce traffic congestion. I'll make that tradeoff in a heartbeat, and this is the perfect time to do it, when gas prices are lower. Jack them back up to three bucks, three-fifty a gallon and put the money toward crash programs in mass transit and alternative fuels and get us off the fossil fuels.

Sadly, it'll never happen.

Eh, it won't happen for several reasons. 1. America's is a car society, we love our cars. You know, our first cars, fast cars, classic cars, etc. Let's face it we're crazy about cars! 2. We used to have coast to coast Railroads but then the Wright Brothers invented the airplane and the airplanes put passenger RR out of business. Plus it's impossible to have mass transit covering 3,000 miles of land. You could do a network of mass transits, you know a Mass Transit in a city and one between cities, but still. There's better mode of transportation. It's just not possible here.
New Domici
03-10-2006, 19:32
HAHAHA...I LIED!!!! so gas in my area just dropped from $3.09/gallon to $1.96/ gallon in little more than 2 weeks. Crude oil prices have dropped from a high of $77 to $61 in about a month. So why are people still complaining so much. 1.96 is less than a gallon of milk for god sakes. That, in my opinion is very reasonable.

And the sad thing is that we have gotten to the point that $2.00 gas sounds "very reasonable."

Prices aren't low, they're volatile. Wait until after the election and see where they go from there. And if you've got money to put in the commodities market, I'd put it in gas.
PsychoticDan
03-10-2006, 19:38
And the sad thing is that we have gotten to the point that $2.00 gas sounds "very reasonable."

Prices aren't low, they're volatile. Wait until after the election and see where they go from there. And if you've got money to put in the commodities market, I'd put it in gas.

It's not after the election that you should be waiting for. Wait for the first forcasts about how cold the winter will be. If forcasts say that we will be having a colder than normal winter, buy call options on heating oil crude oil or natural gas, or, if you can't stomach options, just buy contracts. If forcasts say we will have a warm winter, buy put options. If you can't afford the options or contracts on commodity contracts buy options or equities on oil and gas services companies. Do it fats, though. I mean within a few minutes of those first reports because after that expectations will be priced in and you'll just have to watch the wather for storms and such and it will get really volatile.
Uranus Territory
03-10-2006, 19:40
*fart*

I agree! :)

On a more serious, um, note (sorry), my only concern about gas prices is that some people will act as if it will stay below $2.00. It will go up after the election, but that's also getting near Thanksgiving, with Christmas around the corner. The holidays will have more impact on gas than the elections (though gas supply DOES increase in an election year ;) )
Eudeminea
04-10-2006, 02:00
HAHAHA...I LIED!!!! so gas in my area just dropped from $3.09/gallon to $1.96/ gallon in little more than 2 weeks. Crude oil prices have dropped from a high of $77 to $61 in about a month. So why are people still complaining so much. 1.96 is less than a gallon of milk for god sakes. That, in my opinion is very reasonable.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I find the timeing of this sharp drop in gas prices so close to the upcoming election to be rather curious.

Seems like the oil lobby is trying to buy some good faith with the american people so they can get their candidates elected/re-elected.

I really hate the two party system in this country. Both parties have corruption written all over them, and have extreme positions to either side of the political spectrum that I simply can't agree with.

"Some vices miss what is right because they are deficient, others because they are excessive, in feelings or in actions, while virtue finds and chooses the mean." Aristotle

Here is an analogy for how I feel:

In one corner we have an orange tiger with black stripes, and in the other we have a black tiger with orange stripes. They are fighting to decide which of them will get to eat you, once they've finished the business of killing each other. Which tiger are you going to cheer for?

We need a saner, middle ground party that can act in moderation. America is probably already too devided for such a party to prosper unfortuneately...
The Nazz
04-10-2006, 02:46
Eh, it won't happen for several reasons. 1. America's is a car society, we love our cars. You know, our first cars, fast cars, classic cars, etc. Let's face it we're crazy about cars! 2. We used to have coast to coast Railroads but then the Wright Brothers invented the airplane and the airplanes put passenger RR out of business. Plus it's impossible to have mass transit covering 3,000 miles of land. You could do a network of mass transits, you know a Mass Transit in a city and one between cities, but still. There's better mode of transportation. It's just not possible here.

One big mistake in your post--it wasn't the airlines that killed the railroads. It was the auto industry and the road construction industry, funded by the federal government.
Daemonocracy
04-10-2006, 02:55
HAHAHA...I LIED!!!! so gas in my area just dropped from $3.09/gallon to $1.96/ gallon in little more than 2 weeks. Crude oil prices have dropped from a high of $77 to $61 in about a month. So why are people still complaining so much. 1.96 is less than a gallon of milk for god sakes. That, in my opinion is very reasonable.

$1.96? you bastard! I am still stuck at $2.45. :(

People aren't complaining as much as far as I can tell. Politically speaking, Bush's approval has jumped above 40% since the fall of oil and Congressional races between Republicans and Democrats have tightened. Coincedence? I think not.

And the conspiracy theorists are already hard at work...

either way though, Gas and Oil are still too damn expensive. This nation needs a comprehensive energy bill. a sensible combination of domestic drilling, nuclear power and more refineries for the short term and more funding and pressure for the development of alternative fuel sources for the long term.
Amadenijad
04-10-2006, 03:46
so that was soooo 24 hours ago....who saw the price of a barrel of crude oil fall more than $2 today. huh huh....i did. and gas in my area dropped 11 cents. its now 1.88.........
Pledgeria
04-10-2006, 06:18
$1.96? you bastard! I am still stuck at $2.45. :(

Cheapest I saw here in Honolulu today for Regular Unleaded was $2.95. Unless you count on-base, which was $2.89.