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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15105305/?GT1=8618

What the fuck is going on lately?

“There are a number of people dead,” Striebig said. “The exact number I do not know yet.”

“There are also a number of wounded,” he added.

I guess they did a number on him.

Arg...even the Amish aren't safe. What the fuck is this world coming to...

it looks as if teens these days are crazy as hell

another suspected teen gunman (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/lasvegas.schools.ap/index.html)

Arg...even the Amish aren't safe. What the fuck is this world coming to...

I know! What the -fuck- did the Amish ever do to anyone in the past hundred years other than maybe put up a barn on their property?

*sigh* I think there's a copycat effect involved, one of these school shootings happens and people out there who are on the edge figure, "What the hell?" and reach for the ammo.

I know! What the -fuck- did the Amish ever do to anyone in the past hundred years other than maybe put up a barn on their property?

I know there's some resentment out there of the Amish, and it tends to come from ignorant bigots who need a hobby, but seriously...fuck. I don't even know what the motive for this shooting was, and we may never know, since the shooter offed himself.

I'm glad I finished School!

And there must be something seriously wrong for this to happen again and again maybe the head cases are slipping through too much

This is... number four, now?

Maybe it has something to do with these gun-waving smileys:
:sniper:

I find it interesting, though, that the article mentions the Colorado and Wisconsin shootings but says nothing about the Montreal shooting that started this particular wave.

*sigh* I think there's a copycat effect involved, one of these school shootings happens and people out there who are on the edge figure, "What the hell?" and reach for the ammo.
Just like what happened after Colmbine.

*sigh* I think there's a copycat effect involved, one of these school shootings happens and people out there who are on the edge figure, "What the hell?" and reach for the ammo.

*shrug* Meh... how, though?

I can't help but think there's a widespread succeptability to this type of thing nowadays because of the horrid political climate and polarization of the country. People feel helpless.

I know there's some resentment out there of the Amish, and it tends to come from ignorant bigots who need a hobby, but seriously...fuck. I don't even know what the motive for this shooting was, and we may never know, since the shooter offed himself.

Resentment? For what? Living in the 1600s? I, like most other people, never think about the Amish, until we see them come into town, or something like this happens. They are the silent community in our society. Why would anyone have beef with them?

Resentment? For what? Living in the 1600s? I, like most other people, never think about the Amish, until we see them come into town, or something like this happens. They are the silent community in our society. Why would anyone have beef with them?

Some of them are resentful of the Amish because they don't send their kids to schools (well, not the way we do), don't join the military (the Amish community was, collectively, a conscientious objector to WWII, though many served in other facets) and I honestly don't think they pay taxes, at least not on the same level as the rest of us. Also, Amish teens are every bit as wild as our teens, and the community is often accused of ignoring that (many Amish teens smoke, drink, drive fast cars, and break the law, which is in obvious contrast to the Amish way of life.)

Also, the Amish are very isolated from the general population in many ways. They have an "us vs. them" mentality, at least on some level, and they consider themselves to be wholly separate from others. They won't serve non-Amish out of the same dishes as they serve themselves, and this includes their own family members who have chosen not to remain Amish.

Granted, I've been to parts of Ohio and Pennsylvania where Amish folks live, and I have always found them to be exceedingly pleasant and have never had a problem with any of them. I've learned that, although they may not have the same book-knowledge I have, they are pretty sharp in many other ways. And while I don't agree with a lot of the things they practice (the Amish tend to believe that the end of the world is coming soon, the same way Jehovah's witnesses and fundamentalists do,) they don't proselytize and they don't try to frighten people. It's more of a case of, "We'll live right because the End Times might be near, and we will do what we think is best."

When was the last time an Amish appeared at your doorstep with a religious periodical?

*sigh* I think there's a copycat effect involved, one of these school shootings happens and people out there who are on the edge figure, "What the hell?" and reach for the ammo.

wouldn't surprise me, kids are so unorginal these days :rolleyes:

stop showing kids that violence is acceptable (by spanking them for example, which does suggests violence is acceptable), and they won't keep using violence as a way to deal with problems. Simple. But most people are too stupid or too stubborn to even consider it, no matter how many deaths happen.

there amish. Far as Im concern the crazy fundies got what they deserved.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15105305/?GT1=8618

What the f*** is going on lately?


Unlike previous school shootings, these are adults from the outside going into the schools and attacking the students. This is very disturbing. A Columbine can be prevented by keeping a close eye on your students, especially those at risk. An attack like this can only be dealt with by turning the school into a fortress and that is not an ideal learning environment.

imagine taking a test while a the motion sensored machine gun goes off? bad enough when a lawnmower rides by.

these are serious copycat crimes like those damn highway snipers...only this involves school children.

Unlike previous school shootings, these are adults from the outside going into the schools and attacking the students. This is very disturbing. A Columbine can be prevented by keeping a close eye on your students, especially those at risk. An attack like this can only be dealt with by turning the school into a fortress and that is not an ideal learning environment.

A shooting like this happened in Dunblane and it resulted in stronger gun laws (whether they helped is another matter) and I dont know whether its only in my schools, but they introduced door entry systems, etc, none of which I think would help

a dispute over a meth lab ?

I cant see anyone walking into a school and shooting 1st through 8th grade children in the head. Thats some majorly disturbed piece of shit.

stop showing kids that violence is acceptable (by spanking them for example, which does suggests violence is acceptable), and they won't keep using violence as a way to deal with problems. Simple. But most people are too stupid or too stubborn to even consider it, no matter how many deaths happen.


The kids at Columbine were not spanked. if anything, they had rather easy lives at home. What kids these days really need IS a good ass whooping, instead of that $400 ipod, $80 Gap jeans, $140 sneakers and a fancy picture taking cell phone with a 2 year unlimited minute plan simply given to them without having to work for it.

According to my news source, it was a 32 yr old truck driver and the police just said it was revenge for some sort of 20 yr old incident. 3 kids dead 7 wounded and killer is dead.

there amish. Far as Im concern the crazy fundies got what they deserved.

thats an incredibly ignorant and idiotic thing to say.

I know you're propbably kidding and forgot the "razz" smilie, right?

No one could actually be that stupid and remember to breath on their own.

The kids at Columbine were not spanked. if anything, they had rather easy lives at home. What kids these days really need IS a good ass whooping, instead of that $400 ipod, $80 Gap jeans, $140 sneakers and a fancy picture taking cell phone with a 2 year unlimited minute plan simply given to them without having to work for it.

I agree......kids now a days don't have any reasonable discipline. They get grounded and sent to their bedrooms for a couple of hours where they then play video games, play on the computer, watch tv and whatever else they decide to do all from the bedroom.

Parents need to start being parents and take control back. Kids aren't supposed to control the parents.

thats an incredibly ignorant and idiotic thing to say.

I know you're propbably kidding and forgot the "razz" smilie, right?

No one could actually be that stupid and remember to breath on their own.
you dont have to be smart to breath on your own genius. Its an automatic response.

According to my news source, it was a 32 yr old truck driver and the police just said it was revenge for some sort of 20 yr old incident. 3 kids dead 7 wounded and killer is dead.

so far, I'm hearing 6 dead and 4 wounded. I didnt get any child to adult ratio yet.
Of the wounded-all are listed in very critical condition.

there amish. Far as Im concern the crazy fundies got what they deserved.

Sad.....I didn't know it was possible to be born without a heart......again I have been proven wrong.

so far, I'm hearing 6 dead and 4 wounded. I didnt get any child to adult ratio yet.
Of the wounded-all are listed in very critical condition.

im hearing 3 dead 7injured. I standing outside the school right now looking at the bodies. its kinda messy.

you dont have to be smart to breath on your own genius. Its an automatic response.

I was trying to be nice.

You know where you should go and what you should do when you arrive there. Run along.

so far, I'm hearing 6 dead and 4 wounded. I didnt get any child to adult ratio yet.
Of the wounded-all are listed in very critical condition.

Well, the state police who were on scene are having a press conference right now and they just said 3 children dead and 7 wounded and of the wounded several in critical condition. only 1 adult and he was the 32 yr old killer acting out a vengeance for something that happened 20 yrs ago.

32 yr old killer was Charles Carl Roberts he was a truck driver.

Sad.....I didn't know it was possible to be born without a heart......again I have been proven wrong.

I have a heart or I wouldn't be alive. But guess what buddy its part of life. We all die, its just a matter of who kills you and when.

I was trying to be nice.

You know where you should go and what you should do when you arrive there. Run along.

Where should I go, your being too vague.

there amish. Far as Im concern the crazy fundies got what they deserved.

Ok you deserve this. :upyours: The Amish are not fundies like Pat Roberston or Fred Phelps!

Where should I go, your being too vague.

Behind the shed with a rake.

okay, I stand corrected. 2 students and 1 teacher aide dead and the adult shooter is also dead.

Damn the media, I think they all change things around.

Well, the state police who were on scene are having a press conference right now and they just said 3 children dead and 7 wounded and of the wounded several in critical condition. only 1 adult and he was the 32 yr old killer acting out a vengeance for something that happened 20 yrs ago.

Ok- I'll go with a lower number of fatalities...and hopefully the wounded will recover.

vengeance against kids-some are 6 or 7 yrs old... If you have a problem with a guy,settle it with him in person-Not against kids.

Those school shooters always go on a rampage and then kill themselves! I wish they'd do it the other way around!

Ok you deserve this. :upyours: The Amish are not fundies like Pat Roberston or Fred Phelps!

sure they arent. They dont even use electricy or speak english for fucks sake.

sure they arent. They dont even use electricy or speak english for fucks sake.

By that logic tribes of the amazon are religious fundies:rolleyes:

The kids at Columbine were not spanked. if anything, they had rather easy lives at home. What kids these days really need IS a good ass whooping, instead of that $400 ipod, $80 Gap jeans, $140 sneakers and a fancy picture taking cell phone with a 2 year unlimited minute plan simply given to them without having to work for it.

How would you know whether they were spanked or not?

See what I mean? Stupidity - "let's use a quick fix that works for now but fuck up their heads later, making them think violance is acceptable.. yeh! great idea man!..."

sure they arent. They dont even use electricy or speak english for fucks sake.

To be fair, the ones in Illinois primarily speak English. At least the ones I've worked w/.

By that logic tribes of the amazon are religious fundies:rolleyes:

no because the those tribes dont do what they do based on religious beliefs.

sure they arent. They dont even use electricy or speak english for fucks sake.

The one I've met spoke the old style English... I think you're getting fundies mixed up with alternative lifestyles.

Seems like these things happen in bunches. Copycats.

This... is seriously fucked up.

Police said Roberts left what were described as suicide notes for his wife, saying that he would not be home, and that he indicated that he was seeking revenge for something that happened 20 years ago.

How many of those kids do you figure were even alive 20 years ago?

The one I've met spoke the old style English... I think you're getting fundies mixed up with alternative lifestyles.

oh know, they are definitely fundies.

oh know, they are definitely fundies.

Ok, what is your defenition of a fundie?

Ok, what is your defenition of a fundie?

Someone who refuses to intergrate and/or modernize for the sake of their religious views. This fits for the amish and al-Qeada.

Someone who refuses to intergrate and/or modernize for the sake of their religious views. This fits for the amish and al-Qeada.

Yes, but the Amish doesn't force their religious views on other people, like Al-Queda do. And comon, Al-Queda uses video cameras and modern rifles! Don't tell me they don't modernize!

Yes, but the Amish doesn't force their religious views on other people, like Al-Queda do. And comon, Al-Queda uses video cameras and modern rifles! Don't tell me they don't modernize!

So you admit al-Qeada is more modern than the amish.

So you admit al-Qeada is more modern than the amish.

Yea.... You got nothing do ya?

So you admit al-Qeada is more modern than the amish.

Nobody was ever denying that, you heartless bastard.

The old days of America are officially over.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061002/ts_nm/crime_schools_dc_11

Duplicate thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501824

I found this on the second page BTW.

The old days of America are officially over.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061002/ts_nm/crime_schools_dc_11

Please. You make it seem that the Amish have gone murderous.
This is a horrible tragedy and I for one keep thinking -- why couldn't that sick fuck have blown his brains out without shooting ten little girls in the head?

(BTW, the old days of America are over everytime the sun rises.)

Who the fuck shoots Amish people? They are the greatest religious fundamentalists on Earth. All they want is to be left alone. Isn't that great?

ANd then some madman goes into their school. :( Poor Amish.

I'd offer them my sympathies, but they'll never see it. :(

The old days of America are officially over.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061002/ts_nm/crime_schools_dc_11

Beat me too it

Please. You make it seem that the Amish have gone murderous.
This is a horrible tragedy and I for one keep thinking -- why couldn't that sick fuck have blown his brains out without shooting ten little girls in the head?

(BTW, the old days of America are over everytime the sun rises.)
Yeah. School killings are way down (45 killed in 1993)

Ya know...at some point, I would have to ask, what the Hell did the Amish ever do to us?

Like LG said, theyre the greatest fundies around...becuase they just want to be left alone.

But we cant even do that for them can we?

Nope..we encroach on thier lands like they were endangered species, we seize thier farms, when they cant pay thier taxes, and we always take a few of thier own over to our side.

Not to mention sending Harrsion Ford to mess around with em.

Now this...

you dont have to be smart to breath on your own genius.

Wow, you have your own genius to breathe on?
On a second less pleasant note, stop trolling now.

sure they arent. They dont even use electricy or speak english for fucks sake.

You are very much miseducated on this matter.
They do use electricity. They simply do not use television, computers, and iPods. They have telephones. Just not in the house where they will be interupted at dinner, at prayer, or working. The Mennonites own cars, and the Old Order Amish will HIRE cars to take them where they need to go if it isn't close enough to go by buggy.

They do speak English, as well as German and High German.

Apparently, some very unpleasant people are able to use modern conveniences to inconvenience others, and can't even spell or use the grammar of English properly while condemning others for a supposed lack thereof.

You are very much miseducated on this matter.
They do use electricity. They simply do not use television, computers, and iPods. They have telephones. Just not in the house where they will be interupted at dinner, at prayer, or working. The Mennonites own cars, and the Old Order Amish will HIRE cars to take them where they need to go if it isn't close enough to go by buggy.

They do speak English, as well as German and High German.

Apparently, some very unpleasant people are able to use modern conveniences to inconvenience others, and can't even spell or use the grammar of English properly while condemning others for a supposed lack thereof.

Owned.





Please don't ban me...

I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been posted or something similar said but I think that the US should review there Gun Laws, for example people who want a gun license must have no criminal convictions at all or any mental or psychological problems. Hopefully this might curve the growing problems of school shootings.

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but judging by the line of conversation, no:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting;_ylt=AgKRG1h4INQSBAE_wtn68DJL.IcA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The gunman, Charles Carl Roberts IV, a 31-year-old truck driver from the nearby town of Bart, was bent on killing young girls as a way of "acting out in revenge for something that happened 20 years ago," Miller said. Miller gave no details on what the grudge was.
. . . .
Roberts had left several rambling notes to his wife and three children that Miller said were "along the lines of suicide notes."
. . . .
From the suicide notes and telephone calls, it was clear Roberts was "angry at life, he was angry at God," Miller said.

What is this country coming to? :(

there amish. Far as Im concern the crazy fundies got what they deserved.

Yeah. Especially that one eight year old fundie. She definately deserved it. Also, the little 11 and 12 year olds. I also hope the 16 year dies in critical because she sure deserves to.

the Amish are going to rise up and kick some ass for this. I think they have some serious fire power that the US could not handle.

This is a symptom of a deeper illlness: the failure, indeed the refusal, of this society to instill in its children basic moral values. First, that witch Madelyn Murray O'Hare got school prayer abolished. Next, our public schools went into the landfill that is multiculturalism. This country now produces generation after generation of people living in a moral vacuum, with no sense of right and wrong, and not only refuses to teach them right from wrong, but blocks and, worse, ridicules efforts to do so. Compounding the problem is our popular "culture", which seems to be in a race with itself to see how fast it can move from the gutter into the sewer.

We need to return to the basic morals and the Judaeo-Christian values on which this country was founded, and we need to do it in a hurry.

It's a sick situation when segments of this society are more concerned with the "rights" of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his fellow monsters than with teaching right and wrong to our children.

Yeah. Especially that one eight year old fundie. She definately deserved it. Also, the little 11 and 12 year olds. I also hope the 16 year dies in critical because she sure deserves to.

I hope that was sarcasm.

I hope that was sarcasm.

I wanted to see if Soviestan could expound on how much the fundies deserved it when the ages of the fundies who were killed were brought into the discussion. Saying a bunch of fundies deserved to die is different than saying a bunch of fundies aged 6 to 11 and a couple teenaged techer's aides deserved to be shot like animals just because they were female.

there amish. Far as Im concern the crazy fundies got what they deserved.

sick little spunk bubble. away and have a wank or something more productive than claiming kids in school deserved to die.

ban this arsehole now, enough is enough

It's a sick situation when segments of this society are more concerned with the "rights" of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his fellow monsters than with teaching right and wrong to our children.

The way we treat Khalid Sheik Mohammed IS teaching right and wrong to our children as children do as we do and not as we say.
You obviously do not have children.

The rest of your prattle about the moral modeling of society is discouraging to say the least.

there amish. Far as Im concern the crazy fundies got what they deserved.


This is I believe the first post I ever reported.

I can think off nothing to say that won't make me as bad as or worse than the OP.

This is I believe the first post I ever reported.

I can think off nothing to say that won't make me as bad as or worse than the OP.

its rare we agree, but he needs a slap on the wrist for that one.

way beyond acceptible

The use of the term "Fundie" is designed to dehumanize the particular cross section of society being spoken of, it makes it easier to attack those which have had their humanity removed.

"Fundie" is the equal to any of hte following;******, Nip, Kike, Zipperhead, Porchmonkey, Raghead, Sand ******, Towelhead, so forth and so on.

The term fundie is pejorative an absolute religious slur not different then the attacks leveled against Jews or Muslims it this dehumanizing that allows people like Soviestan to be genuinely justified in his speech as so many other participate in the removal of the human face of people who hold a specific belief contrary to the mob(in this case being NS Generalites) Soviestan represents the unspoken sentiments of most here.

A blanket apathy and collective disdain for those who differ from the masses.

These people were Amish, but most important they were human plain and simple, just like if they had been atheists or baptists or Animists or whatever else you like.

The real question is do we continue to prop up the degradation of of our fellow human beings by using small slights and slanders to chip away at their human face so that it makes it easier for us to point our fingers, so that it makes it easier to claim superiority over them just because they differ in certain opinions or appearences or cultural facets or do we make a stand and demand that proper dignity and respect be paid to everyone one of us regardless of our opinions or beliefs or color or creed.

I would hope it be the latter but I am certain that reality will demonstrate it is the former.
Hopfully that is only the case in these pathetic forums and that in reality out on the street you treat humanity with a bit of humanity.

Whatever.

the Amish are going to rise up and kick some ass for this. I think they have some serious fire power that the US could not handle.

That you could say this speaks fathoms.

This is a symptom of a deeper illlness: the failure, indeed the refusal, of this society to instill in its children basic moral values. First, that witch Madelyn Murray O'Hare got school prayer abolished. Next, our public schools went into the landfill that is multiculturalism. This country now produces generation after generation of people living in a moral vacuum, with no sense of right and wrong, and not only refuses to teach them right from wrong, but blocks and, worse, ridicules efforts to do so. Compounding the problem is our popular "culture", which seems to be in a race with itself to see how fast it can move from the gutter into the sewer.

We need to return to the basic morals and the Judaeo-Christian values on which this country was founded, and we need to do it in a hurry.

It's a sick situation when segments of this society are more concerned with the "rights" of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his fellow monsters than with teaching right and wrong to our children.


News flash: it wasn't a kid who shot his peers. It was a 32 year old man who invaded the school.

News flash: it wasn't a kid who shot his peers. It was a 32 year old man who invaded the school.

Not to mention this particlular school has prayer and is not multicultural.

How can you kill Amish people? Anyway, I say its a copycat. I hope no more of this crap happens or they might start enforcing our "wear ID" policy.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15105305/?GT1=8618

What the fuck is going on lately?

Did the shooter use Flintstocks?

Resentment? For what? Living in the 1600s?
But if your finish thine chores, and I finish mine, then tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC8n5v4uYxg

I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been posted or something similar said but I think that the US should review there Gun Laws, for example people who want a gun license must have no criminal convictions at all or any mental or psychological problems. Hopefully this might curve the growing problems of school shootings.

Surprisingly, most people who break the guns laws have, in fact, illegal guns.

I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been posted or something similar said but I think that the US should review there Gun Laws, for example people who want a gun license must have no criminal convictions at all or any mental or psychological problems. Hopefully this might curve the growing problems of school shootings.

ummm...in case your unaware...a crimminal(any felony..period) cant own or possess a gun,nor can someone adjudicated mentally ill,or been even in an institution for any mental health issue.(self admitted even for depression)
nor can anyone own a gun that has more then 3 dui's in a 10 year period,nor anyone ever convicted of any drug charge...ie...1 joint and no gun..period.

now i am a firm supporter of the 2nd amendment....firm is a weak word for how strongly i believe in citizens rights to protect themselves.
i own quite a few guns(never fired a shot in anger)but i reserve the right to protect myself..as i cant count on the cops to protect me or mine if i am away.

that said,i know and agree with the above mentioned stipulations on ownership...zero problem with the rules(cept maybe the pot possession one)

it is not the issue,it is crimminals or insane fucktards getting their hands on guns.
and i hate to say it,i could make a gun in about an hour...so bans are futile,obviously laws dont seem to do anything other then disarm honest people trying to protect themselves..

argue that...compile the stats on the amount of legally owned guns and legal gun owners...and compare that with the crimes committed with guns..i would wager my life that crimes committed with legally possessed guns is insignificant,compared to crimes committed by people that cant own guns.

gun laws are not the solution,never was,never will be.(allready in place since the sixties)
education/draconion laws for crimes committed with guns,and zero tolerance for felons caught with guns,whether or not they committed a crime with a gun will go alot further then feel good new laws that deprive honest people of the right to defend themselves.

Back on topic...

Apparently, the killings were motivated by revenge for a 20 year old grudge, and the gunman let the male students go, only wanting female hostages.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/amish.shooting/index.html

Turned down by an Amish chick when he was 12?

Back on topic...

Apparently, the killings were motivated by revenge for a 20 year old grudge, and the gunman let the male students go, only wanting female hostages.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/amish.shooting/index.html

Turned down by an Amish chick when he was 12?

She wouldn't return his phone calls. :D

gun laws are not the solution,never was,never will be.(allready in place since the sixties)
education/draconion laws for crimes committed with guns,and zero tolerance for felons caught with guns,whether or not they committed a crime with a gun will go alot further then feel good new laws that deprive honest people of the right to defend themselves.

Your ideas do sound alot better than my original.

To those who called the Ahmish "fundies": They have isolated themselves so that they may live the way they see as right. They do not interfere with those who believe differently, nor do they try to convert or coerce others into their beliefs, making them infinitely superior to "fundies" If anything, they are one of the few Christian communities I can respect. It is sad that someone would invade their community and attack their children like this, over something that happened 20 years ago.

Another case of guns making America a safer place.

The kids at Columbine were not spanked. if anything, they had rather easy lives at home. What kids these days really need IS a good ass whooping, instead of that $400 ipod, $80 Gap jeans, $140 sneakers and a fancy picture taking cell phone with a 2 year unlimited minute plan simply given to them without having to work for it.

The kids at Columbine didn't need iPods or cameraphones to shoot up a school.

Back in those days, they used computers and camcorders to plot.

She couldn't return his phone calls. :D

fixed. :D

32 yr old killer was Charles Carl Roberts he was a truck driver.

Horses and buggys on HIS highway!!!

This is a symptom of a deeper illlness: the failure, indeed the refusal, of this society to instill in its children basic moral values. First, that witch Madelyn Murray O'Hare got school prayer abolished. Next, our public schools went into the landfill that is multiculturalism. This country now produces generation after generation of people living in a moral vacuum, with no sense of right and wrong, and not only refuses to teach them right from wrong, but blocks and, worse, ridicules efforts to do so. Compounding the problem is our popular "culture", which seems to be in a race with itself to see how fast it can move from the gutter into the sewer.

We need to return to the basic morals and the Judaeo-Christian values on which this country was founded, and we need to do it in a hurry.

It's a sick situation when segments of this society are more concerned with the "rights" of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his fellow monsters than with teaching right and wrong to our children.

:rolleyes: Leave it up to the right to take advantage of a tragedy to further its political agenda. Sorry for my own rant, but it really isn't the right time for a conservative preaching session.

I know! What the -fuck- did the Amish ever do to anyone in the past hundred years other than maybe put up a barn on their property?


apparently they've been ignoring sexual abuse and rape in their communties. can't remember the link

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but judging by the line of conversation, no:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting;_ylt=AgKRG1h4INQSBAE_wtn68DJL.IcA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl



What is this country coming to? :(

I heard on Channel 4 news that the 32 year-old shooter was angry because his wife lost her baby years ago...
Or something along those lines.