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Ok so I just finished up my 40 page reasearch paper on Conservatism in America, starting with Goldwater and going up to Newt. One of the person I've reasearched was Richard M. Nixon, and I looked over his international policy (which he had some success in) and his domestic policy (which he didn't have as much success in.) One of his domestic policy was the FAP, Family Assistance Program. Basically what this program does was to let every family in America to have some sort of income, and in exchange for that income every abled body person recieving the income will work. It may be crap jobs, but at least they're working. FAP was basically one step above Welfare. I gotta say, I can actually get behind something like this, true the people are still getting money from Gov. Co. but at least they're working for it. Too bad it died in Congress though, so what do yall think? Maybe "I'm not a crook" Nixon was on to something with FAP?

One of his domestic policy was the FAP, Family Assistance Program. Basically what this program does was to let every family in America to have some sort of income, and in exchange for that income every abled body person recieving the income will work.

So his genius solution to the problem of unemployment was to give people jobs, yes?

So his genius solution to the problem of unemployment was to give people jobs, yes?

Exactly! But there is a better way to do that then give out government jobs:

STOP THE F&^%ING OUTSOURCING!!!

There's another word for FAP.

Communism.

Ok so I just finished up my 40 page reasearch paper on Conservatism in America, starting with Goldwater and going up to Newt. One of the person I've reasearched was Richard M. Nixon, and I looked over his international policy (which he had some success in) and his domestic policy (which he didn't have as much success in.) One of his domestic policy was the FAP, Family Assistance Program. Basically what this program does was to let every family in America to have some sort of income, and in exchange for that income every abled body person recieving the income will work. It may be crap jobs, but at least they're working. FAP was basically one step above Welfare. I gotta say, I can actually get behind something like this, true the people are still getting money from Gov. Co. but at least they're working for it. Too bad it died in Congress though, so what do yall think? Maybe "I'm not a crook" Nixon was on to something with FAP?

Some good Nixon domestic policies:
establishment of the EPA and NOAA
self-determination policy for Native Americans
school integration
abolishment and reorganization as a business of the Post Office Department

some so-so Nixon domestic policies:
space shuttle
reforms of the bureucracy and budgeting

very bad Nixon domestic policies:
establishment of the DEA
imperial presidency
the economic "Nixon Shock" - unilaterally cancelling Bretton Woods.

Exactly! But there is a better way to do that then give out government jobs:

STOP THE F&^%ING OUTSOURCING!!!

Outsourcing American Jobs: The Myth of the Decade.

There's another word for FAP.

Communism.

or work houses I knew it Nixon was a time travelling British conservative from the 1800's!!!

Ok so I just finished up my 40 page reasearch paper on Conservatism in America, starting with Goldwater and going up to Newt. One of the person I've reasearched was Richard M. Nixon, and I looked over his international policy (which he had some success in) and his domestic policy (which he didn't have as much success in.) One of his domestic policy was the FAP, Family Assistance Program. Basically what this program does was to let every family in America to have some sort of income, and in exchange for that income every abled body person recieving the income will work. It may be crap jobs, but at least they're working. FAP was basically one step above Welfare. I gotta say, I can actually get behind something like this, true the people are still getting money from Gov. Co. but at least they're working for it. Too bad it died in Congress though, so what do yall think? Maybe "I'm not a crook" Nixon was on to something with FAP?

Under Clinton this is what was known as "workfare."

Ok so I just finished up my 40 page reasearch paper on Conservatism in America, starting with Goldwater and going up to Newt. One of the person I've reasearched was Richard M. Nixon, and I looked over his international policy (which he had some success in) and his domestic policy (which he didn't have as much success in.) One of his domestic policy was the FAP, Family Assistance Program. Basically what this program does was to let every family in America to have some sort of income, and in exchange for that income every abled body person recieving the income will work. It may be crap jobs, but at least they're working. FAP was basically one step above Welfare. I gotta say, I can actually get behind something like this, true the people are still getting money from Gov. Co. but at least they're working for it. Too bad it died in Congress though, so what do yall think? Maybe "I'm not a crook" Nixon was on to something with FAP?

hey one thing i like about nixon, is he was very pro irish. any republican pro irish gets my thumbs up. i hate liberals.

Its an excellent idea.

Because.
In the republicans eyes.

"Hey! we can fire people who are cleaning up the streets for 5$ an hour, and pay families to do it for 4, plus it makes us seem cool."

In the democrats eyes.

"Yeh! welfare rock on."

There's another word for FAP.

Communism.

Thst's stupid.

Outsourcing American Jobs: The Myth of the Decade.

:confused: What?

FAP is a fun word to say.

FAP FAP FAP FAP



anyway: a better way to eliminate outsourcing.

the reason companies hire people in other nations is because it's cheaper.

so you have to simply not make it cheaper anymore.

for every foriegn employee a company has on the payroll, raise the company's tax by whatever the current minimum wage is.

in essence: if a company wants to hire a foriegn emplyoee, they're going to have to pay as much as they would if they were hiring an american employee as well.

this way, companies will simply hire US employees and save the money that they would have to pay in wages to the foriegner.

Maybe Nixon was on to something?

Yeah, drugs. And alcohol. And according to his aids, wife-beating. And monumental paranoia and a case of megalomania of awesome grandiosity.

And let's not forget his amazing capacity to hold a grudge and want vengeance.

Yeah, drugs. And alcohol. And according to his aids, wife-beating. And monumental paranoia and a case of megalomania of awesome grandiosity.

And let's not forget his amazing capacity to hold a grudge and want vengeance.

I said on to something, not on something. Jeez... If you can't debate on facts and figures of what the thread is about, then please leave my thread. We don't have time for your trollish tatics.

It was a brilliant idea. We can’t dismiss a man’s ideas just because it’s extremely easy to demonize him.

Does anyone else find it funny that one of Nixon's plans is called 'FAP', and that he also bowled nude?

Ok so I just finished up my 40 page reasearch paper on Conservatism in America, starting with Goldwater and going up to Newt. One of the person I've reasearched was Richard M. Nixon, and I looked over his international policy (which he had some success in) and his domestic policy (which he didn't have as much success in.) One of his domestic policy was the FAP, Family Assistance Program. Basically what this program does was to let every family in America to have some sort of income, and in exchange for that income every abled body person recieving the income will work. It may be crap jobs, but at least they're working. FAP was basically one step above Welfare. I gotta say, I can actually get behind something like this, true the people are still getting money from Gov. Co. but at least they're working for it. Too bad it died in Congress though, so what do yall think? Maybe "I'm not a crook" Nixon was on to something with FAP?

If Nixon weren't such a parinoid that he broke the law to stay in power (when he would have been overwhelmingly elected honestly) he would have been considered one of the greatest presidents. Even though he was moderately conservative he was really not far from Kennedy. There were actually moderates then and they were most likely to get elected.

The fall came with the election of Reagan. Since then image and labels have been far more important than logic and substance.

Ok so I just finished up my 40 page reasearch paper on Conservatism in America, starting with Goldwater and going up to Newt. One of the person I've reasearched was Richard M. Nixon, and I looked over his international policy (which he had some success in) and his domestic policy (which he didn't have as much success in.) One of his domestic policy was the FAP, Family Assistance Program. Basically what this program does was to let every family in America to have some sort of income, and in exchange for that income every abled body person recieving the income will work. It may be crap jobs, but at least they're working. FAP was basically one step above Welfare. I gotta say, I can actually get behind something like this, true the people are still getting money from Gov. Co. but at least they're working for it. Too bad it died in Congress though, so what do yall think? Maybe "I'm not a crook" Nixon was on to something with FAP?

Nixon will always be remembered for Watergate, but he was actually a very intelligent and even effective President. However this whole FAP idea sounds like a product of Johnsons "Great Society" mentality and with Welfare Reform of the '90s, we are in no need of this old and flawed thinking. This FAP program actually reminds me of what the French tried during the French Revolution where they payed people to dig ditches all day and then fill them up. Meaningless work...but at least they were working - Bah, at least FDRs public works program was productive.

Conservatism is about Tax Cuts. Tax Cuts create jobs and that has been proven by JFK, Reagan, Clinton and Bush. Under each of those administrations, taxes were cut in some fashion and unemployment dropped while productivity rose.

Also, Nixon wasn't really a Conservative, he was more of a moderate Republican. Goldwater was more like the father of modern day Neo-Conservatism. William F Buckley Jr. is the traditional Conservative that should be mentioned in any paper about Conservatism.

If Nixon weren't such a parinoid that he broke the law to stay in power (when he would have been overwhelmingly elected honestly) he would have been considered one of the greatest presidents. Even though he was moderately conservative he was really not far from Kennedy. There were actually moderates then and they were most likely to get elected.

The fall came with the election of Reagan. Since then image and labels have been far more important than logic and substance.

I don't know about greatest Presidents, but certainly effective given his circumstances. And the "fall" did not come, I would say, until Clinton and the Gingrich Revolution. That is when things got nasty because neither party wanted to give the other credit for the accomplishments made. The Republicans then got nasty with the whole impeachment proceedings and the Democrats immediately returned the favor once Bush got elected by winning the electoral vote but not the popular vote. 9-11 and the Iraq War are just fuel for the partisan bickering.

Does anyone else find it funny that one of Nixon's plans is called 'FAP', and that he also bowled nude?

I would enjoy hearing more of Tricky Dick's proclivity for bowling au naturel. This is an aspect of the man's life that I have yet to have had detailed for me. Or heard of before.

hey one thing i like about nixon, is he was very pro irish. any republican pro irish gets my thumbs up. i hate liberals.

Fuck off you terrorist son of a bitch...

Conservatism is about Tax Cuts

what a strange and impoverished world of political discourse

So his genius solution to the problem of unemployment was to give people jobs, yes?

you have to admit, that's so off the wall that only a nixonian-style genius could think of it

I said on to something, not on something. Jeez... If you can't debate on facts and figures of what the thread is about, then please leave my thread. We don't have time for your trollish tatics.

I owe you an apology, Wilgrove. I didn't read the thread carefully to realize how serious you were.

As for what I posted, I lived through most of Nixon's career, from the time he was Ike's VP and McCarthy's lackie. I saw what he did to our people with his attitudes and I learned not to care about things like his economics and all the rest. He was a man who believed that any law could be broken as long as it was broken in the service of his political agenda or his personal vendettas. That makes him neither a good president nor a good person. Compared to that all the stats in the world mean nothing.

I honestly didn't mean to troll. After the things I saw Nixon do and inspire others to do and approve of others doing, I didn't expect this thread to be more than satire and irony. Sorry.

And now I'll leave your thread as you asked. Have fun!

William F Buckley Jr. is the traditional Conservative that should be mentioned in any paper about Conservatism.


Of course I added Buckley in my paper, what kind of paper would it be without Buckley in it! :D

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Originally Posted by Gorias
"hey one thing i like about nixon, is he was very pro irish. any republican pro irish gets my thumbs up. i hate liberals."


Fuck off you terrorist son of a bitch...

Eh?
All Irish non-liberals are terrorists?

There's another word for FAP.

Communism.

Yeah, you know what a big proponent of communism Dick was. :rolleyes:

FAP is a fun word to say.

FAP FAP FAP FAP



anyway: a better way to eliminate outsourcing.

the reason companies hire people in other nations is because it's cheaper.

so you have to simply not make it cheaper anymore.

for every foriegn employee a company has on the payroll, raise the company's tax by whatever the current minimum wage is.

in essence: if a company wants to hire a foriegn emplyoee, they're going to have to pay as much as they would if they were hiring an american employee as well.

this way, companies will simply hire US employees and save the money that they would have to pay in wages to the foriegner.

Thus making the economy at whole more inefficient.

Edit: Also, I do like saying that acronymn as well...

FAP is a fun word to say.

FAP FAP FAP FAP



anyway: a better way to eliminate outsourcing.

the reason companies hire people in other nations is because it's cheaper.

so you have to simply not make it cheaper anymore.

for every foriegn employee a company has on the payroll, raise the company's tax by whatever the current minimum wage is.

in essence: if a company wants to hire a foriegn emplyoee, they're going to have to pay as much as they would if they were hiring an american employee as well.

this way, companies will simply hire US employees and save the money that they would have to pay in wages to the foriegner.
Why don't we just do it Japanese style: Tariffs!

Why don't we just do it Japanese style: Tariffs!

So we can flourish in a 17 year recession? excellent idea!