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This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

This wont end well.

Communism. A group collective in which everybody owns everything equaly, and they have all their needs met by the group, while providing to the needs of others.

As opposed to capitalism, which is first come first serve, the ones most able to manipulate the system gets the most, and the honest people on the bottom get screwed over.

which sounds more like paradise?

I thought the point of any sort of economy is to correct the problem of fulfilling infinite wants with limited resources? In heaven, wouldn't you theoretically have everything you want, and thus wouldn't an economy be pointless?

Capitalism, god loves the free market.

This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

Well, you will be given everything you need. So, this would indicate a Communist society.

However, you will also get everything you want. So, this would be more Capitalist.

However, there will be no competition in Heaven(assuming the idea that you get everything you want/need), so Capitalism cannot exist.

Thus, God is a Marxist, and everyone is happy with it. Therefor, the only truly holy and divine system is Communism. How can you argue with that?(Note-this supposed to be a joke).

This wont end well.

Want some popcorn?

Communism. A group collective in which everybody owns everything equaly, and they have all their needs met by the group, while providing to the needs of others.

As opposed to capitalism, which is first come first serve, the ones most able to manipulate the system gets the most, and the honest people on the bottom get screwed over.

which sounds more like paradise?

You forget that it's the Kingdom of Heaven, with an absolute monarchy.

How many absolute monarchies do you know that are communist?

Want some popcorn?

Can I have some?


How will a state of being have an economy?

You forget that it's the Kingdom of Heaven, with an absolute monarchy.

How many absolute monarchies do you know that are communist?

Exactly.

Capitalism, god loves the free market.

However, in Heaven, a Capitalist society could not exist. If everyone has everything they want and need, then there is no point in selling resources(as the main point of this is to gain resources to get what you want/need), and there is no point in buying anything(as the main point of buying is to gain what you need/want). So, with no consumers and no producers, there cannot be Capitalistm.

You forget that it's the Kingdom of Heaven, with an absolute monarchy.

How many absolute monarchies do you know that are communist?

North Korea probably counts as one. Hereditary rulership, absolute power, extensive tradition and ceremony surrounding the leaders, sounds monarchic to me, even if it's a young monarchy.

You forget that it's the Kingdom of Heaven, with an absolute monarchy.

How many absolute monarchies do you know that are communist?

This would indicate a command economy, in general, as in a Monarchy, the Monarch control much of the given market.

Heaven is quite obviously a fascist regime. There's an absolute dictator (God) who decrees who may or may not enter, using arbitrary and often illogical methods of measurement. And, if you don't meet the requirements, you are cast into the darkness to suffer for eternity.

Sounds fascist to me.

Heaven is quite obviously a fascist regime. There's an absolute dictator (God) who decrees who may or may not enter, using arbitrary and often illogical methods of measurement. And, if you don't meet the requirements, you are cast into the darkness to suffer for eternity.

Sounds fascist to me.

*Munch* *Munch*

*giggles at everyone taking this thread seriously*

Heaven is quite obviously a fascist regime. There's an absolute dictator (God) who decrees who may or may not enter, using arbitrary and often illogical methods of measurement. And, if you don't meet the requirements, you are cast into the darkness to suffer for eternity.

Sounds fascist to me.

Not to mention that those who are considered "undesirable" are sent to a concentration camp(Hell).

Huh. That's a good point.

Heaven would have zero economy, because there would be no need, and not in the communist sense, but in a totally different sense, because people, (if that is the theologically appropriate term) would no longer need to consume anything at all.

God supports an economy of prayer. He is tired of listening to so many.

North Korea probably counts as one. Hereditary rulership, absolute power, extensive tradition and ceremony surrounding the leaders, sounds monarchic to me, even if it's a young monarchy.

Cubas working on becoming the world's second communist monarchy as well.

Can I have some?Sure thing


How will a state of being have an economy?
With God, all things are possible, apparently. ;)

Heaven will abolish scarcity; economies won't be necessary.

*ahem*

God thinks all blacks are obsolete farm eqipment
God thinks the Jews killed his son and must be punished
God thinks the white man is Satan
God, they know what God thinks

God thinks we should all convert to Judaism
God thinks we must all be Christians and
God thinks we should all embrace Islam
God thinks the only true religion is Hinduism

And I
I know what God thinks
God thinks you're a waste of flesh
God prefers an Atheist

God thinks all people like you are evil
God thinks all people like you are an embarassment to creation
self-righteous, judgemental, first to throw the stone
and use His name for your own protection

God thinks the sun revolves around the Earth
God thinks there was something very wrong with Copernicus
God thinks abortion is murder and
God thinks everything that science gave us is wrong
God thinks women deserve it
God thinks AIDS is a form of punishment

I hate people who blame the Devil for their own shortcomings and
I hate people who thank God when things go right

And I
I know what God thinks
God thinks you're an idiot
God prefers a heretic

God God
God thinks all people like you are evil
God thinks all people like you are an embarassment to creation
self-righteous, judgemental, first to throw the stone
and use His name for your own agenda

God is a liberal
God is a democrat
God wants you to vote republican
never trust a man who puts his words in the mouth of god
and says that it's absolute truth
its lies and it smells like death
its all in a day's work taking money from the poor
Why do you think that God would need your dirty money
if he wanted to start a holy war?

self-righteous, judgemental, first to throw the stone
and use His name for your own protection

God thinks puppies need to die and
God thinks babies need to drown
'cause God is neither good nor bad
God is you and me
God is Everything

Seems to fit well enough...

I doubt God is political, and I doubt further that Heaven has an economy...

Heaven would have a lottery economy. How does a "Lottery Economy" work, you say? Well I'll explain:
Everyone draws a card at the beginning of the day, and you get what is written on your card, whether it is a truck load of hamburgers or a pair of baby shoes.
No one is able to trade anything. If you get 500 lbs of peanuts one day, you have to keep every last nut, even if you are deathly allergive to peanuts.
At the end of the day, all resources that you didn't manage to use are to be thrown into a furnace in the center of Heaven. The heat of this furnace is then used to heat the surrounding houses at random intervals.

I doubt God is political

Of course He is, what else is the point of Prophets?

Of course He is, what else is the point of Prophets?

I mean, He's not left/center/right, whatever. Political ideologies are stupid inventions of stupid humans. :p

Of course He is, what else is the point of Prophets?

Oh I get it--it's not a profit driven economy; it's a prophet driven economy. ;)

Oh I get it--it's not a profit driven economy; it's a prophet driven economy. ;)

You made a funny :D

Oh I get it--it's not a profit driven economy; it's a prophet driven economy. ;)

See Grave n Idle's new roleplaying game, "Graven Idol - The Biblical Roleplaying Game" Chapter 6 has the stats on the economy...

You made a funny :D
I have my moments. They're rare enough, but I do have them. :)

Heaven will be either an anarchic, capitalist state or a benevolent, welfare state dictatorship.

In textbooks Economics is defined as the study of the allocation of limited resources. When there are unlimited resources the economy is unimportant.

You forget that it's the Kingdom of Heaven, with an absolute monarchy.

How many absolute monarchies do you know that are communist?

Heaven if truely ruled by an all benevolent dictator would be a socialist monarchy/absolute dictatorship, with everyone on the dole.

Essentially, a true conservative's worst nightmare. Yet, it's also a utopia...
Explain this paradox.

Economics is only required when there is a limit to resources, since this Heaven exists in a plane where there is no limit to resources there would be no need for exchange, money or economics.

Seeing as after reading the whole thread I've realized I've just repeated what maybe five other people have said, I want to change my answer to something funny. Any suggestions?

I thought the point of any sort of economy is to correct the problem of fulfilling infinite wants with limited resources? In heaven, wouldn't you theoretically have everything you want, and thus wouldn't an economy be pointless?

Ding ding ding, you win the thread.

Heaven wouldn't have an economy.

Heaven is a true dictatorship, and one that can not be overthrown.

You have, in charge of it all, an all powerful being, all knowing, and immortal. This dude has the absolute best in surveillance, knows when and where anything is going down, and already knows the outcome. Not to mention the greatest army that has ever been assembled, one that has never been defeated and is entirely subservient to His will.

Heaven is a true dictatorship, and one that can not be overthrown.

You have, in charge of it all, an all powerful being, all knowing, and immortal. This dude has the absolute best in surveillance, knows when and where anything is going down, and already knows the outcome. Not to mention the greatest army that has ever been assembled, one that has never been defeated and is entirely subservient to His will.

Sounds like a horrible place to live.

I always thought it would be more along the lines of The City in Logan's Run. Without the icky Lastday business, natch.

My idea of heaven doesn't have an economy. That is a neccesity for those living in a large, well organized, and mostly civilized society. My idea of paradise has no economy, no frustrations except those minor ones that remind us what happiness is. Economics and the many systems of it were created by man, not God.

God hates the godless atheist communists, so of course it will be capitalism :)

God hates the godless atheist communists, so of course it will be capitalism :)

But his son was a nomadic socialist hippie.

There is no economy, or politics in heaven- that is why it is indeed heaven

God hates the godless atheist communists, so of course it will be capitalism :)

LMAO

Anyone got a soda to share, this popcorn is a little salty.

This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?
This wins my Worst Question of the Month Award (and the month's only just begun!)

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

Probably a sustainable economy.

Why would heaven have an economy anyway? :confused:

God hates the godless atheist communists, so of course it will be capitalism :)

But what about the atheist capitalists??? :)

I thought the point of any sort of economy is to correct the problem of fulfilling infinite wants with limited resources? In heaven, wouldn't you theoretically have everything you want, and thus wouldn't an economy be pointless?

Yay, ECON 101 all over again!! Yep, that sounds right, Hevan = infinite resources = no need for an economy. Yay pointless form, although it dose have a funny name. As if God enjoys watching His little creation struggle against itself, war, famine, disease; just entertainment to Him; funny, well um, actually I could buy that. BTW did you know light is evil.

heavin doesn't require an economy. that's why it's heavin!

nor do 'capitalistc or communistic' represent two poles of a totality but only a couple of little places in an n-dimentional contineum.

i will point out in this context however, that NO revealer of organized belief EVER indorsed capitolism. indeed a nonmarxist egalitarianism is one of the major and pirmary points of all religeons other then the destortions of them used as excuses by fanatics.

=^^=
.../\...

Heaven will have a manifestistic economy. Anything you want will appear... course you won't want anything... but that's beside the point.

It'd be a prayer related economy. More prayer=less hell.

Communism. A group collective in which everybody owns everything equaly, and they have all their needs met by the group, while providing to the needs of others.

As opposed to capitalism, which is first come first serve, the ones most able to manipulate the system gets the most, and the honest people on the bottom get screwed over.

which sounds more like paradise?

The one where we have technological advancement, i.e. not communism.

You forget that it's the Kingdom of Heaven, with an absolute monarchy.

But a Monarchy is a regime where at the death of the ruler, the sceptre passes on to the next person in the line of succession.

In Heaven, even though there is a clear line of succession, the leader can't die. So it isn't a monarchy, after all.

I thought this thread was going to degenerate into flame wars, but it's really funny instead :-)

It'd be a prayer related economy. More prayer=less hell.

haha, I'm in truble, lots O'hell for me

But a Monarchy is a regime where at the death of the ruler, the sceptre passes on to the next person in the line of succession.

In Heaven, even though there is a clear line of succession, the leader can't die. So it isn't a monarchy, after all.

I thought this thread was going to degenerate into flame wars, but it's really funny instead :-)

When God dies, his son will take over. But his son is God, so onthing will really change.

This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

Will Heaven even have an economy? Considering the social problems that economies cause, I am going to suggest that there will be no economy in Heaven.

But then the entire concept of a Heaven is subjective in the extreme and to be honest this debate is worthless in its entirety.

But what about the atheist capitalists??? :)

You mean people like me? They'll get the high positions in hell and may torture this bloody commies. :D

nor do 'capitalistc or communistic' represent two poles of a totality but only a couple of little places in an n-dimentional contineum.


Shhhhhh. You're violating the tenets of fundamental Marxist dogma. Don't let 'em hear that there's more than just two extremes!

Anyone got a soda to share, this popcorn is a little salty.

Here you go.

*Brings more popcorn, lays out a lawn chair, sits, and drinks some Dr. Pepper.*

Heaven will be something like a perfect trip.

There is no need to fulfill desires with resources - desires are just thoughts; they can be easier fulfilled right inside the brain. So there even would be no resources. You have a desire? It's fulfilled, right inside whatever soul has instead of brain.
One would not even have time realize his desires; and in minutes, after fulfilling everything, no one would even have any new desires.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?
This is a totally different question than, "Will Heaven have a Capitalistic or Communistic Economy?"

Heaven, one would hope, will have no economy whatsoever, because nobody will have to exchange anything for goods or services. If Heaven is supposed to be perfect paradise, then it should be a place where everybody already has everything they need or want, and they have no need to pay or trade to obtain anything.

However, the question of which Earthly economic system has the Almighty stamp of approval is another matter. I would guess that God, being made in the image of men (and, very rarely, women) will support whichever economic system the humans in power are favoring at the time.

I personally believe heaven would have neither, as there is no need for the genuine evils of currency in a place such as heaven.

This is a totally different question than, "Will Heaven have a Capitalistic or Communistic Economy?"

Heaven, one would hope, will have no economy whatsoever, because nobody will have to exchange anything for goods or services. If Heaven is supposed to be perfect paradise, then it should be a place where everybody already has everything they need or want, and they have no need to pay or trade to obtain anything.

However, the question of which Earthly economic system has the Almighty stamp of approval is another matter. I would guess that God, being made in the image of men (and, very rarely, women) will support whichever economic system the humans in power are favoring at the time.


/signed...

*proceeds to fall over in a dead faint, having recognized this event as a sure sign of the end times, the event being that I had a 100% agreement post with Bottle...* ;)

god does not exist.

The one where we have technological advancement, i.e. not communism.

ehhh, who got a man into space first?

and as for the OP, there will be no economy in heaven as it doesnt exist and the Christian God and his son were both clearly socialist.

Hope that clears that up

This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

What economy? You think we'll need widescreen TV, iPods, and PSP in heaven?
We'll need to eat?

/signed...

*proceeds to fall over in a dead faint, having recognized this event as a sure sign of the end times, the event being that I had a 100% agreement post with Bottle...* ;)

"And the rivers shall run red with blood, and the sky shall burn and the stars fall, and all shall be in agreement with Bottle The Devourer, Ruler of Darkness..."

;)

This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

A Koan from your freindly neighborhood Buddhist:
When you can determine if the Invisible Pink Unicorn is either pink or invisible (but not both), you will know the economic system of your "God"'s "heaven".

heaven wont have an 'ecconomy' as we understand the term.

"And the rivers shall run red with blood, and the sky shall burn and the stars fall, and all shall be in agreement with Bottle The Devourer, Ruler of Darkness..."

;)


Yay Horus Heresy!


(Warhammer joke....)

Throughout history the Church has always fought on the side of Capitalism against Communism. It would be a bit strange if Heaven was actually Communist the whole time.

Throughout history the Church has always fought on the side of Capitalism against Communism. It would be a bit strange if Heaven was actually Communist the whole time.

I have a better question: Why would heaven have an economy? Why would it NEED one?

This came up off the subject on another thread. Thought it deserved it's own.

Does God support Capitalism or Communism, or some other type of economy?

surely everything would be eternally abundant and free, so it would be a gift economy if anything.

I think the OP is really asking this:

"Which government system is perfect and should be implemented"

And personaly, I think neither because I think it is absolutly impossible to govern large groups of people perfectly. Capitalism, Communism, Monarchys, Republics, etc all have their flaws, and basically, we should be debating which system is better, not which one is perfect.

Besides, if there really was a heaven, wouldn't the devine being govern us?:p