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Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

Columbus.

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

Doesn't seem depraved to me.

Doesn't seem depraved to me.

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

I doubt it.

You can't have an 'all of the above option' and then have three more options below it.:eek:

simple it never rose in the first place you should of stayed a British colony IMHO(this can be proven by the fact that America fell into debt after the war of independence!)

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

Proof, please.

none of the above?

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes

your talking to DK here you could say the grizzliest crimes where committed on the Moon so long as they involve Muslims he will agree with you

has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

what’s wrong with being perverted :mad:

Can you name another country well known for its depravity?

Proof, please.

Aren't you banned from a holiday park, where you humped the furniture and walked naked?

need more proof?:p

I think I missed the point of this thread...

Can you name another country well known for its depravity?

every country in Europe? Japan?

I blame cheese.

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

You mis-spelled 'capitalism'... but, strangely, that makes that answer the right one.

'Capitolism', as in, the way the government 'runs'. The political system in the US is beyond corrupt, the politicians are almost exclusively 'vested interests in suits', and the whole model is entirely beholden to a small number of big investors - to whit: the oil, pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

A 'republic' isn't ideal, anyway - but a corporate republic is even worse.

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

Because they started to believe bullshit and began to THINK it began to fall & became depraved. :rolleyes:

The whole WORLD is depraved. It's the human condition.

You can't have an 'all of the above option' and then have three more options below it.:eek:

OOPS :confused:

Proof, please.

No need go to other anti-americanistic threads ;)

America always sucked. It was founded by people who thought that those without land or balls shouldn't vote, that unregulated capitalism was in the best interests in the people and that blacks were best off enslaved.

Abraham Lincoln killed my America.

America always sucked. It was founded by people who thought that those without land or balls shouldn't vote, that unregulated capitalism was in the best interests in the people and that blacks were best off enslaved.

Well, we still have a lot over European countries when it comes to that. At least US citizens didn't have to worry about some nutjob theocratic government or an inbred monarch killing us off and taking our property because they decided to hand out some more land to the nobility or the church.

We were the freest country on Earth for nearly 2 centuries and one of the freest for the remaining time, not to mention we became the wealthiest, most advanced, and most powerful nation in the history of mankind.

I am no US fanboy, but calling America the "most depraved" country in the world is in defiance of reality. We have given the world many great things, not even close to what we pretend to have given it, but many great things nonetheless. I think we are only a couple decent presidents away from being respected again. Every generation has its issues to angst about, and Americans seem to care to much about what anybody thinks of them anyway.

As for "most perverted"? No offense to a fascinating culture that has also contributed many great things and ideas to modern society- but thats gotta be Japan.

Well, we still have a lot over European countries when it comes to that. At least US citizens didn't have to worry about some nutjob theocratic government or an inbred monarch killing us off and taking our property because they decided to hand out some more land to the nobility or the church.

We were the freest country on Earth for nearly 2 centuries and one of the freest for the remaining time, not to mention we became the wealthiest, most advanced, and most powerful nation in the history of mankind.
This is all true but my point is that after WWII other countries in Europe pulled ahead of America in the progression of human civilisation. I'm also pointing out that America wasn't much better to begin with than it is today.

I am no US fanboy, but calling America the "most depraved" country in the world is in defiance of reality. We have given the world many great things, not even close to what we pretend to have given it, but many great things nonetheless. I think we are only a couple decent presidents away from being respected again. Every generation has its issues to angst about, and Americans seem to care to much about what anybody thinks of them anyway.

As for "most perverted"? No offense to a fascinating culture that has also contributed many great things and ideas to modern society- but thats gotta be Japan.

Let's see, the OP made an assertion about heinous criminals (I assume he means serial killers and the like), and about pervs - there seem to be depraved serial killers everywhere, even though people don't want to admit it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer#Prevalence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

And one of the most nasty ones isn't even a US person:

possibly apocryphal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Lopez

real: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito

That last one was a serial killer AND a major perv.

Looks like serial killers aren't detected in some parts of the world until they kill someone that the government actually cares about, or until they kill over 300 victims.

America actually fell after it forgot the tie its shoe laces, and then it tripped. True story.

Abraham Lincoln killed my America.

yee-fucking-haw.

America used to be the greatest nation on earth. What destroyed us in reality was the cold war and our own paranoia of communism. That paranoia is now with us today but ransformed into terroism, or *cough* islamofacsits (HA!) ever since then we've been just a bunch of retards.

America used to be the greatest nation on earth. What destroyed us in reality was the cold war and our own paranoia of communism. That paranoia is now with us today but ransformed into terroism, or *cough* islamofacsits (HA!) ever since then we've been just a bunch of retards.

Retards whose economy is addicted to oil and whose minds are too occupied with either dealing with the people with outdated moral concepts, or trying to restore these (feax) morals "for our own good".

PS Guess my slant in that. :D

Doesn't seem depraved to me.


I second this motion.

And may God continue to bless America.

Can you name another country well known for its depravity?

No. But I can't spefically think of a reason to call Americans depraved either.

I would call North Korea particularly depraved.

They killed Kennedy. After that, it kept going downhill faster and faster...

It should be pointed out that the US constantly changes. Its one of those things we do. Comparing the US of the 60's to the modern US is like comparing two different countries. Even in the ten years between, say, 1996-2006 things have changed considerably.
Sometimes the US becomes more liberal, sometimes it gets more conservative. Occasionally we do really stupid, pointless things, and sometimes, we do the greatest stuff in the world.
This can be said for just about every country. Sometimes you fuck up. It happens, its part of being a country.
Give it a decade or so and the word 'Islamofacist' will have a nice Archaic next to it in the dictionary. If its in the dictionary at all.

As to depraved countries...
I can think of Japan and some of the Scandanavian ones right off the top of my head. Pre-war Afghanistan was pretty messed up to.

I second this motion.

And may God continue to bless America.

yeah we certainly seem blessed, with way to much arrogance in thinking that we are gods when compared with other nations.

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

It started with President Lindon Baynes Johnson. President Ronald Reagan almost got it turned around and back the the real America, but then the right wing radicals took over. Have to blame the radicals on both sides. A POX on all professional politicians. :mad:

Can you name another country well known for its depravity?

Somolia maybe. :rolleyes:

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

Yes, I believe so. It's hard to get any grizzlier than Detroit.

It started with President Lindon Baynes Johnson. President Ronald Reagan almost got it turned around and back the the real America, but then the right wing radicals took over. Have to blame the radicals on both sides. A POX on all professional politicians.

Radicals suck! All they do is disturb the balance with their fanatical beleifs,radicals started WWII and abuse people in the middle east :mad:

America always sucked. It was founded by people who thought that those without land or balls shouldn't vote, that unregulated capitalism was in the best interests in the people and that blacks were best off enslaved.

And you live where?

This is all true but my point is that after WWII other countries in Europe pulled ahead of America in the progression of human civilisation.

How so?

The 'True America' is a state of mind. In reality, I doubt that the real world United States was ever quite as rosy as historians and fourth of july celebrants may like to picture it. What matters is that individual Americans either see the US in a positive light or not. I imagine most Americans still do.

It's a matter of perspective. Perhaps a religious conservative would look at the current state of affairs and think that America is 'crumbling', yet there is a heartland of 'true americans' fighting to keep the American Dream alive. Perhaps, there is a family of immigrants who have made a new start in the US and are doing well, and the US is everything they hoped it to be.

America, 'true' or not is not dead.



.... but if I have to choose a reason, I'll go with an earlier poster and say cheese. 'American cheese' is an insult to the world of cheesedom.

It tripped over the true Canada .

Pre-war Afghanistan was pretty messed up to.


Agreed. I'd definately say they needed a boost in their opium market, and I'd have drug warlords in power over the Taliban ANY day of the week.

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

Dude. Step away from the television/pc/nintendo. Go outside and experience life. It isn't that bad. Trust me.

You think crime is bad here, try reading some foreign news. It's no different. Our media is just more pervasive.

Yes, I believe so. It's hard to get any grizzlier than Detroit.

been downtown lately?

I didn't think so.

It tripped over the true Canada .

Yeah, well, ever since Canada cancelled the Arrow project, it's been downhill ever since - just look at the NHL then, and the NHL now...

Columbus.

I'll have you know that even though my beloved Columbus is a very boring city, and the most alcoholic city in the US, it's not the reason for any such mythical fall of the true America.

It all started with the Hamiltonians/Whigs/Republicans, who have traditionally been pro-strong central government, pro-mercantalism, pro-empire, and pro-war. Later, the Democrats added their "contributions:" creeping socialism, the role of "world policeman," internationalism, etc.

who says america is on the fall?

who says america is on the fall?

People who have opened their eyes.

People who have opened their eyes.

or is it people that havnt opened their eyes enough?

People who have opened their eyes.

People said it in the seventies, yet the US had one of the most aggressive economic and political successes in the late eighties and throughout the nineties.

The most recent downturn is thanks to neoconservative fanatics.

But generally I think that single most defining moment in American history was RFK's assassination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_assassination).

The world would be a better place today if Bobby had not have been killed.

Proof, please.

Well, we have had the highest number of serial killers, but I would hardly think that reflects on the state of the nation.

Yes, I believe so. It's hard to get any grizzlier than Detroit.

I see you havent been to Detroit recently.

The Southeast side.....maybe.

The rest of it is actually fairly cosmopolitan.

This is all true but my point is that after WWII other countries in Europe pulled ahead of America in the progression of human civilisation. I'm also pointing out that America wasn't much better to begin with than it is today.

That's true to an extent. However, America does have some advantages over European countries on certain civil rights issues but they have advantages over us in others.

I see you havent been to Detroit recently.

The Southeast side.....maybe.

The rest of it is actually fairly cosmopolitan.

That's actually pretty true; Detroit has made a lot of progress over the past several years in reviving its downtown neighborhoods. Hopefully, it can continue to diversify its economy and avoid the economic shocks hitting other parts of Michigan but it's a fairly encouraging story in terms of urban renewal.

Ideally, it's the start of a trend but that's not a guarantee especially given the rapid growth of exurbs even farther away from the cities.

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

no, not really

no, not really

Then where?

Aren't you banned from a holiday park, where you humped the furniture and walked naked?

need more proof?:p

I wouldn't exactly call that a 'grisly crime scene'. :p

In fact, I remember quite a bit of applause. :)

Well, we have had the highest number of serial killers, but I would hardly think that reflects on the state of the nation.

I just think we catch more of them. :p

Abraham Lincoln killed my America.

Seconded. And I wonder how many people here will think that either of us are in any way sympathetic to the policies of the Confederacy.

What an odd OP.

First, you assume the existence of a "true America". I assume it comes complete with apple pie and common sense and rosy-cheeked white kids playing baseball.

Then you assume that something came along and destroyed it. Years ago, your poll would have included communism and rock n' roll.

Now, you live in a depraved America, that no longer fits your Hollywood mythology.

I know what happened to your America:

You grew up and realised "Leave it to Beaver" was fiction.

America has not fallen, nor will it.

We can tell that this thread is biased.

Why?

Because too many people voted for Right wingers. And "Damn Liberals" should be "Damn Left Wing Fanatical Liberals" while "Right Wing Fanatics" should be "Damn Right Wing Fanatic Conservatives."

As it stands, the question makes conservatives look worse that liberals.

As for my personal opinion: The @$$holes that got dueling banned. Perfectly legitimate, expedient, and above all, efficient!

Seconded. And I wonder how many people here will think that either of us are in any way sympathetic to the policies of the Confederacy.

Well, one person already does. And I'm assuming many others have thought so, but have declined to post.

I just think we catch more of them. :p

I just think we catch more of them because care enough to try to catch them, and we publicize it more when we do. Better than sitting back and ignoring it, as many parts of the world seem to do, isn't it?

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

The major mistakes to today:
Fugitive Slave Act of 1793
Whiskey Rebellion
Alien and Sedition Acts
John Fries's Rebellion
Indian Removal Act
Mexican-American War
Compromise of 1850
Dred Scott v. Sandford
Lincoln's presidency
National Banking Act
Andrew Johnson's Presidency/Reconstruction
Pretty much entire Gilded Age, but especially the Chinese Exclusion Act and In re Debs and other repressions of the labor movemen
The Spanish-American War
JP Morgan's Bailout of the Treasury
Wilson's Presidency
Federal Reserve Act
Red Scares
Sacco and Vanzetti
FDR's Presidency
McCarthyism
Vietnam
LBJ's Presidency
Watergate
Reagan's Presidency
Clinton's Presidency
Bush II's Presidency

We can tell that this thread is biased.

Why?

Because too many people voted for Right wingers. And "Damn Liberals" should be "Damn Left Wing Fanatical Liberals" while "Right Wing Fanatics" should be "Damn Right Wing Fanatic Conservatives."

As it stands, the question makes conservatives look worse that liberals.

As for my personal opinion: The @$$holes that got dueling banned. Perfectly legitimate, expedient, and above all, efficient!

Welp I thought that people would see liberals as a whole doing damage because the majority of them are militant, the conservatives that are bad are only fanatical ones, thus leaving those who aren't hard-core fanatics out of the picture, so in truth Right wingers should be left alone as their fanatics deserve as much bashing as liberalism does.

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?
Are you forgetting about Germany?


j/k

Are you talking about 1945 Germany? If so I'm reffering to modern times, I am barely aware that Germany is home to the grizzliest criminals.

Erm, individuality? Stand-alone personalities? The fact that individuality is a purely ficticious human concept probably negates the first answer, so maybe its those few who actually are individuals? But then, it's the whole human nature thing all over again.

Whatever, once we synchronize our consiousnesses, it'll be all right.

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?
America is collapsing because of religious fundamentalism and anti-rationalism. Basically, the Dark Ages are happening all over again, because there are some people who are just plain terrified by the concepts of the Enlightenment.

Then where?

I nominate Mexico and Colombia for grizzliest crimes, Korea for perverts and Russia for serial killers.

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

:rolleyes:

The most recent downturn is thanks to neoconservative fanatics.

But generally I think that single most defining moment in American history was RFK's assassination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_assassination).

The world would be a better place today if Bobby had not have been killed.

Yet the economy is in the best shape it's been in since 2001.

...work of a Muslim extremist. Funny, that.

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

Isn't America home to the grizzliest crime scenes and the has the hisghest concentration of perverts in it's population?

Can you name another country well known for its depravity?

OOPS :confused:



No need go to other anti-americanistic threads ;)

Ok. Give sources proving all these claims, or quit trolling.

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

Lost it's way? Could be when a bunch of nitwits left the mother country, murdered and/or marginalized all the inhabitants of a pristine land, kidnapped human beings from another country and made them slaves, and then habitually, illegally and immorally interfered with just about every other country on the planet. Lost it's way - when did that happen?

As far as I’m concerned, the "true" America has yet to emerge.

The major mistakes to today:
Fugitive Slave Act of 1793
Whiskey Rebellion
Alien and Sedition Acts
John Fries's Rebellion
Indian Removal Act
Mexican-American War
Compromise of 1850
Dred Scott v. Sandford
Lincoln's presidency
National Banking Act
Andrew Johnson's Presidency/Reconstruction
Pretty much entire Gilded Age, but especially the Chinese Exclusion Act and In re Debs and other repressions of the labor movemen
The Spanish-American War
JP Morgan's Bailout of the Treasury
Wilson's Presidency
Federal Reserve Act
Red Scares
Sacco and Vanzetti
FDR's Presidency
McCarthyism
Vietnam
LBJ's Presidency
Watergate
Reagan's Presidency
Clinton's Presidency
Bush II's Presidency

LOL, you forgot to include the war of 1812 when the U.S. tried to invade Canada, got the living shit beat out of them and then watched mournfully as the Brits and (future) Canadians burned down every public building in Washington, including the whitehouse.

That might have been a mistake, at the time.

Yet the economy is in the best shape it's been in since 2001.
Not exactly. Beyond low unemployment and high growth, budget discipline has gone right out the window. The US FELL 6 positions in economic competitiveness mainly because of its enormous deficit. Bernanke has allready gone on record saying that growth will stall.

...work of a Muslim extremist. Funny, that.

Maybe my history is a bit shoddy... but I understood that they weren't able to prove he was associated with any fanatical religious movement and that he acted on his own?

Did you ever have a moment where you look at something bad and you say "How did it come to this?" ? Welp I'm asking it, how did America begin to fail? What started all those evil things which turned the US into a depraved nation?

Where's the 'it forgot to tie its shoelaces' option?

LOL, you forgot to include the war of 1812 when the U.S. tried to invade Canada, got the living shit beat out of them and then watched mournfully as the Brits and (future) Canadians burned down every public building in Washington, including the whitehouse.

That might have been a mistake, at the time.

http://limewoody.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg

How many times does that old pile of steaming horse droppings have to be rehashed before it gets through peoples thick heads?

How many times does that old pile of steaming horse droppings have to be rehashed before it gets through peoples thick heads?

Apparently at least as many times as that tired old graphic gets trotted out. :rolleyes:

By using that increasingly geriatric pic, you're highlighting what probably was nothing more than an innocuous post. You're drawing attention to it. I don't wanna revisit that topic either, especially not here. But y'know? You're not helping by making a metaphorical mountain out of a molehill, Daistallia.

Where's the 'it forgot to tie its shoelaces' option?

I saw the true America running with scissors on a wet floor.

Or maybe it was the fake Africa disguised as the true America. Can't be sure, there was low lightning.

America is still a great country in fact it is the best in the world. However, we would be doing a lot better if we used protective tariffs, taxed foreign nations for protection from tryanny and then used our military hard everyday to guarantee human rights to our client nations, reinstituted national days of fasting and dressing in sackcloth and sitting in ashes, found a cure for aids and all stds and had our nation's airwaves be pretty much all porn all the time, lowered taxes for the citizens with the best marksmanship skills, and incarcerated any woman who ever had a child out of wedlock and then raised the children in special government orphanages, and lowered the drinking age to 13.

You have some strange ideas Freedonia...

You have some strange ideas Freedonia...

agreed.

The GOOD ideas for a US/NS party:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11705166#post11705166

Not exactly. Beyond low unemployment and high growth, budget discipline has gone right out the window. The US FELL 6 positions in economic competitiveness mainly because of its enormous deficit. Bernanke has allready gone on record saying that growth will stall.

Nothing is perfect, especially when downtown NYC has yet to recover. But things are a LOT better than 2003, eh?

Maybe my history is a bit shoddy... but I understood that they weren't able to prove he was associated with any fanatical religious movement and that he acted on his own?

Few people actually go shooting people on their own... that's why laws work.
There's way too many variables in his "case" to pin down anything, which is the way I think it was designed.