NationStates Jolt Archive

The election is OVER. Thank you to all who took part. The results can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11772706&postcount=140).

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This is an unofficial poll. The actual voting is done here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/) .

A list of parties can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499225).

Since there are sixteen parties and a poll can only have ten options, some options will be "merged". My apologies in advance.

Poll coming shortly.

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Vote NBIP
Honour, Emparh and a Nice Cuppa

Defenderist

Since there are sixteen parties and a poll can only have ten options, some options will be "merged". My apologies in advance.
You could have the major parties 1-9, and then the smaller parties as 'other'.

Vote NBIP
Cream Tea for All

I say sah, I'm not very keen on that poll! We're one of the largest parties, wot, and we don't get an option?

Pip pip for Her Majesty!

Vote NBIP
Because Terry Wogan wants you too

ever heard of doing an offsite poll?

I am glad that the parties were grouped on ideology.

Vote NBIP
Because Terry Wogan wants you too

its just 1 o.

Wahey! Let the craziness begin anew!

I hop the UDCP does not win.

same thig goes for the cypswp.

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I hop the UDCP does not win.

same thig goes for the cypswp.

I'd return the sentiment, but you've already given up on this election.

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I'd return the sentiment, but you've already given up on this election.

gave up? i never had a plan to run in this one. the big plan involved election 5

gave up? i never had a plan to run in this one. the big plan involved election 5

Then why did you submit a manifesto?

I'm going to go swing the election for someone now.

Then why did you submit a manifesto?

trying to get members.

trying to get members.

Well good luck with that :)

I went rodent. Sorry.

I went rodent. Sorry.

:mad:

Why can't you vote for a serious party?

Do you wish to destroy us ALL?

Yeah, but I agree with their views on obedience and education. Also I like rodents :D

I have chosen wisely...

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CHOOSE your pogo-stick WISELY PARTY

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As have I.

VOTE ALCOHOL, and have such a good time you won't remember what happened!

I voted for The Freedom, Environment and Science Party
(http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499248)

HRP has pwned everyone...well, almost everyone.

I voted for The Freedom, Environment and Science Party
(http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499248)

Me too.

Vote for human rights and dignity!
Vote UDCP!

PUNKS AND PIRATES, which for some odd reason doesn't seem to have been included at all in the poll. :confused:

Don't Choose UnWisely,

Vote NBIP
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Penguins for the Emparh

Oh, so the Alcohol Party is a "joke" party? I think the commies are a joke party instead. LOL MARX LOL.

Free Republic, of course!

(And we get our own category, too. We're that awesome.)

There must be a mistake, you forgot to mention the New British Imperial Party in the poll. :eek:

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Can't say I'm jolly well satisfied with the poll. Bloody foreigners with grand ideas of supplanting Her Majesty's Emparh, if you please!

Pah!

Rule Britannia, I say!

Vote New British Imperial Party! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499781)

And bring on the chips!

This poll doesnt include NBIP. What a load of rubbish. I call upon everyone to boycott this so-called "poll".

In response to an attempted boycott, TDP fully supports this poll.

HRP, because we can't afford extremism.

**votes for The Autonomist Party**

Vote for the Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance. Because those surface-livers are a bunch of asshats.
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HRP, because we can't afford extremism.

Define extremism.

Vote for human rights!
Vote UDCP!

Vote for human rights!
Vote UDCP!

Wait, which one do you want me to vote for?

Choose [your pogo stick] Wisely Party.

Wait, which one do you want me to vote for?

UDCP, of course. Why vote for the HRP when a vote for the UDCP is a vote for human rights... and so much more?

DEATH TO THE SURFACERS!
This message was proudly brought to you by MOBRA

No Centrist Liberal party?

I'm voting for the Democratic Socialist Party.

No Centrist Liberal party?

I'm voting for the Democratic Socialist Party.

The HRP is the closest thing to a centrist party in NSG politics. ;)

UDCP, of course. Why vote for the HRP when a vote for the UDCP is a vote for human rights... and so much more?

Except, of course, for economic rights, of course. We wouldn't want a system that provides for a growing economy or a reason to even bother with working.

OMG!!! ELECTION TIME ALREADY!?!?! 'BOUT TIME!!!

The HRP is the closest thing to a centrist party in NSG politics. ;)


Indeed they are. But I was suckered into the "usefull vote" and sweet talk. :p

UDCP, of course. Why vote for the HRP when a vote for the UDCP is a vote for human rights... and so much more?

How about a fusion of the two?

Rights and Socialism.

Vote The Defenderists. Bringing you socialism AND rights. (except for prisoners' rights, of course. Then again, who cares?)

Bump for Great Representative Democracy

Vote HRP

Bump for Great Representative Democracy

Vote HRP

How kind of you!

VOTE CypsWP!

Didn't past elections narrow the field down to ten parties before the final Election to prevent this kind of thing?

Also, why not a public poll, so we can at least make an attempt at keeping track of puppet voting?

Meh...voted Autonomist Party.

Didn't past elections narrow the field down to ten parties before the final Election to prevent this kind of thing?

Also, why not a public poll, so we can at least make an attempt at keeping track of puppet voting?

Using PM's system. Puppet votes on the poll won't matter.

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Vote NBIP
A free colony for every member

Except, of course, for economic rights, of course. We wouldn't want a system that provides for a growing economy or a reason to even bother with working.

Read our manifesto.


How about a fusion of the two?


If the Human Rights Party wants to merge into the UDCP, we're willing to welcome them. ;)

Didn't past elections narrow the field down to ten parties before the final Election to prevent this kind of thing?

No, in previous elections there were never more than ten active parties.


Also, why not a public poll, so we can at least make an attempt at keeping track of puppet voting

PM's rather neat system is designed to do just that (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/results.htm). You do know, don't you, that the vote is here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/), and that this thread is just an unofficial poll?


A free colony for every member

Given the current number of Britain's colonies, I take it you aren't expecting many members? ;)

Vote for human rights and dignity!
Vote UDCP!

isn't that what the HRP is for. I will nott vote for a party that think everything should be state property.

isn't that what the HRP is for. I will nott vote for a party that think everything should be state property.

We don't. Read our manifesto.

pleminary results:

93 votes cast total (after votecheaters removed)


Defenderist Party 1%
Alcohol Party 2%
Autonomist Party 2%
Free Republic Party 3%
Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party 3%
Religious Conservative Party 3%
Human Rights Party 5%
Freedom, Environment and Science Party 6%
Democratic Socialist Party 9%
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance 9%
United Democratic Communist Party 10%
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party 11%
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party 16%
New British Imperialist Party 19%


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1 removed for OFMP
5 removed for punks & pirates
1 removed for Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party
2 removed for MORBA
1 removed for Defenderist Party

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-SNIP-

I hear that you are the one organising these elections, wot! You are doing a jolly good job, my thanks old chap.

This is an unofficial poll. The actual voting is done here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/) .

A list of parties can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499225).

Since there are sixteen parties and a poll can only have ten options, some options will be "merged". My apologies in advance.

Poll coming shortly.

You know, the actual working doesn't work in Firefox. For shame!

PUNKS AND PIRATES Party 11%

Blinka.

I hear that you are the one organising these elections, wot! You are doing a jolly good job, my thanks old chap.

He be writin' the code which be stopping the cheats this time.

You know, the actual working doesn't work in Firefox. For shame!

Sure it does. And remember vote alcohol. Its the only party, thats a big party!

Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party 16%
New British Imperialist Party 19%

Go go Pogo Stick!

Second place ain't half bad.

Good job with all this PM :)

You know, the actual working doesn't work in Firefox. For shame!

Sure it does.

Indeed it does, but not like it should.

PM I look forward to congratulating you on the next version that works well w/ all browsers... ;)

Ye did well this time laddie in stoppin' the cheats.

5 removed for punks & pirates

Will Turner: You cheated.
Jack Sparrow: Pirate.

Great work, PM!

The results as they are for now would result in the following number of seats (approximately):

New British Imperialist Party: 4.75 => 5 seats
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 4 seats
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 2.75 => 3 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 2.5 => 3 seats
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 2.25 => 2 seats
Democratic Socialist Party: 2.25 => 2 seats
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 1.5 => 2 seats
Human Rights Party: 1.25 => 1 seat
All others: 0 seat

That gives us only 22 seats. Without more precise figures I can't tell where the 3 remaining seats would be allocated.

Arr the Punks and Pirates be doing well. A share in the loot for all voters of Punks and Pirates!

I voted for the Democratic Socialists

Indeed it does, but not like it should.

PM I look forward to congratulating you on the next version that works well w/ all browsers... ;)

Ye did well this time laddie in stoppin' the cheats.

it could work in FF but i wanted to do something a bit fancier than normal... so it doesn't. meh *shrugs*

Go go Pogo Stick!

Second place ain't half bad.

Good job with all this PM :)
thank you :)
Great work, PM!

The results as they are for now would result in the following number of seats (approximately):

New British Imperialist Party: 4.75 => 5 seats
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 4 seats
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 2.75 => 3 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 2.5 => 3 seats
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 2.25 => 2 seats
Democratic Socialist Party: 2.25 => 2 seats
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 1.5 => 2 seats
Human Rights Party: 1.25 => 1 seat
All others: 0 seat

That gives us only 22 seats. Without more precise figures I can't tell where the 3 remaining seats would be allocated.

ah well OFMP ain't in there but my heart isn't/wasn't really in the party anyhow. and another thanks, no probs :)

Wow... None of these match the opinion polls... Weird.

PM, I love you.

Great work, PM!

The results as they are for now would result in the following number of seats (approximately):

New British Imperialist Party: 4.75 => 5 seats
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 4 seats
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 2.75 => 3 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 2.5 => 3 seats
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 2.25 => 2 seats
Democratic Socialist Party: 2.25 => 2 seats
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 1.5 => 2 seats
Human Rights Party: 1.25 => 1 seat
All others: 0 seat

That gives us only 22 seats. Without more precise figures I can't tell where the 3 remaining seats would be allocated.

A standard 5% threshold, I presume? Yet more obstacles to full representation of all the people, if that is the case.

I note that there are 4 votes for "Autonomist or Libertarian" on the "unofficial" poll, yet there are apparently only 2 official votes for Autonomist and none for Libertarian. I conclude that there was some confusion as to which poll is the official voting poll. I also think the Defenderist, Alcohol, Autonomist, Free Republic, Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic, and Religious Conservative, and Libertarian parties need to begin raising a stink over this kind of "butterfly ballot and hanging chad"-type election, as well as over any threshold that exists. I wonder what the chances are of getting new elections where the "unofficial" poll and official vote are presented in seperate threads in order to absolutely avoid any confusion whatsoever?

In the meantime....

**chains self to three seats in the parliament, carrying various placards and singing various chants about how government should represent all the people**

A standard 5% threshold, I presume?

4%. Which is equivalent to one seat.

Guarenteeing a seat to each of the 16 parties would be absurd, and utterly undemocratic. Any party with even a small number of supporters (i.e., 4%) will already be represented.

4%. Which is equivalent to one seat.
Guarenteeing a seat to each of the 16 parties would be absurd, and utterly undemocratic.


My understanding of "democracy" is that it consists of a form of government which is responsible to and representative of the will of the people. Thus, I would assume that increasing the number of people represented would also increase the level of democracy.

Tell me, how is it that the Autonomist party (or any other of the <4% parties) are supposed to increase membership and awareness of their thoughts and ideas when the electoral system is specifically rigged to prevent their participation in government, thus removing from them a prime avenue for gaining more followers? We can't join government because we don't have enough supporters, but it is far more difficult to gain more supporters if we cannot participate in government.

A convienient system to defend, I suppose, when one's own party is already projected to be secure in representation. "Human rights" indeed. ;) ( :mad: )


Any party with even a small number of supporters (i.e., 4%) will already be represented.

Except for those that are not, anyway. Remember kids, you only count if the collective says you count (or you happen to set the rules for the electoral process).

I say that the voting system is unfair, in that accidentally voting twice (my case... curse the ballot counter!) would nullify both votes. To me, 2 votes should not count as cheating. Just as NS admin does not persecute those with 2 UN nations that much... (as for the blank vote on there that is mine, that is just stupid. That there is clearly a glitch and should not go against me, escpecially since it isn't for anything.)

Moreover, almost no one can find the ballot anyway. And if you click the wrong button, you cannot change it.

I say we ditch this system and make 2 poll threads, each with 8 of the parties on there. as for double-voters, make the poll public.

Which brings up the issue of network servers and public computers. Since the voting is by IP#, only one person per IP can vote. and that is not fair for the workforce/library PC users.


THIS ELECTION IS SEVERLY FLAWED AND PUSHES FORWARD A SYSTEM THAT IS INCUMBENT IN NATURE AND DOES NOT REFLECT THE POPULACE'S VOTE.

EDIT: I was having RL problems when I posted this, so I was angry... PM, your system was pretty good. It is jus that there are many probelms still evident in there, all of which should be addressed.

I'm still trying to figure out how my party has 15 percent of the poll vote, and 5 percent of the real vote.

I'm still trying to figure out how my party has 15 percent of the poll vote, and 5 percent of the real vote.
As am I.

I'm still trying to figure out how my party has 15 percent of the poll vote, and 5 percent of the real vote.

Because:

A) No one can find the link
B) the poll is rigged (butterfly-ballot style)

We need a better poll.

And seperation of political and joke parties...

Ex. NBIP= political
CypsWP= joke
Defenderist= political
The really long one about Gondwanaland= joke

They should be in two seperate polls; this way there can be seperate elections for both.

Noone should have to choose between a joke party and a political one.

Bringing this back to NSG's attention from the depths (MOBRA will resent me, no doubt).

I, on behalf of the HRP, would like to express caution in approaching the issue of voting irregularities, as PM put a great deal of effort into this system, and as it is head and shoulders better than it's predescessor. However, I would also be much obliged if we could figure out why the two votes are so radically different. I know this is a burden upon those who understand and know this system, but I am puzzled by the outcome.

However, I would also be much obliged if we could figure out why the two votes are so radically different. I know this is a burden upon those who understand and know this system, but I am puzzled by the outcome.
I'll give you a hint: what is possible in one poll, but not in the other?

The reason PM set up this system was to prevent Sooty running wild like this. It just goes to show how unrepresentative the poll was in the past, when people would vote as often as they could create nations.

The system is fine. What the people above are saying is essentially that parties that no one supports should be given the same representation as those that have been elected. Or, in laymans terms, "I've lost and I don't like it, waaa waa waa!"

I went rodent. Sorry.

No need to apologize. Good work, noble voter!

I'm still trying to figure out how my party has 15 percent of the poll vote, and 5 percent of the real vote.

How do you even find out what the shares of the real vote are?

I say we ditch this system and make 2 poll threads, each with 8 of the parties on there. as for double-voters, make the poll public.


This doesn't stop me from making any number of secret puppets.


Which brings up the issue of network servers and public computers. Since the voting is by IP#, only one person per IP can vote. and that is not fair for the workforce/library PC users.


Not to mention incredibly easy to circumvent.

I'm still trying to figure out how my party has 15 percent of the poll vote, and 5 percent of the real vote.

Because people are more likely to encounter the "unofficial" poll (before reaching the OP message declaring it as such) and think that it is the official poll. Because the title of this thread give no indication that the poll encountered within isn't actually official, thus helping to further the aforementioned mistake. Because the link to the official vote is hidden behind a single word link in a post that no one has any reason to read once they think they have registered their official vote in the "unofficial" poll.

I too would like to know where the other 2 votes under "Autonomist or Libertarian" went.

Because people are more likely to encounter the "unofficial" poll (before reaching the OP message declaring it as such) and think that it is the official poll.

The very first words of the OP are "this is an unofficial poll". If people are too lazy to actually glance at the opening line of the opening post...

Those of you who criticise PM's system: By all means, suggest a better one.

This doesn't stop me from making any number of secret puppets.

well, voting on many shows and stuff doesn't either (like texting resent votes).

And besides, the only real way to stop it will exclude SOMEONE that is honest, especially since almost 50% of NSers are under 18 (and probably have siblings who could also have nations).



Not to mention incredibly easy to circumvent.

Do tell.

Bringing this back to NSG's attention from the depths (MOBRA will resent me, no doubt).

I, on behalf of the HRP, would like to express caution in approaching the issue of voting irregularities, as PM put a great deal of effort into this system, and as it is head and shoulders better than it's predescessor. However, I would also be much obliged if we could figure out why the two votes are so radically different. I know this is a burden upon those who understand and know this system, but I am puzzled by the outcome.

No one is doubting that PM put a lot of work into the system. However, there are many irregularities, errors, and the like that need to be addressed, if only for Election '07.

Observing this system, I can easyily see that it took a lot of work to perfect.

*Has idea*

Perhaps an offsite poll would be easier. I know that my region's forum gives you the freedom to make much bigger polls. And since PM (or someone like that) would get access to IP numbers, they could limit the number of voters ('members') per IP address, to, say, 3. That sounds reasonable...

It's not like it would require much. Maybe a half hour or so...

well, voting on many shows and stuff doesn't either (like texting resent votes).

And besides, the only real way to stop it will exclude SOMEONE that is honest, especially since almost 50% of NSers are under 18 (and probably have siblings who could also have nations).How many of these NSers and their siblings frequent NSGeneral? Not many, I'd imagine.

I'll give you a hint: what is possible in one poll, but not in the other?

The reason PM set up this system was to prevent Sooty running wild like this. It just goes to show how unrepresentative the poll was in the past, when people would vote as often as they could create nations.

The system is fine. What the people above are saying is essentially that parties that no one supports should be given the same representation as those that have been elected. Or, in laymans terms, "I've lost and I don't like it, waaa waa waa!"

For some reason I don't take you seriously when you say this...

Hmm...

I wonder why...

The very first words of the OP are "this is an unofficial poll". If people are too lazy to actually glance at the opening line of the opening post...


Oh, not to mention the fact that this thread's poll options merge several parties. You'd have to be pretty damn stupid to think it's the official election.

The very first words of the OP are "this is an unofficial poll". If people are too lazy to actually glance at the opening line of the opening post...

Those of you who criticise PM's system: By all means, suggest a better one.

'my system' is also just the technical gubbins for an off-site non-public poll. if the electoral procedure is under question (as is always the case, anywhere) then 'my system' can probably accomodate that. if its the case that the system doesn't do enough to prevent fraudulent voting, then, yes, please do suggest alternate methods. voter registration is pretty much the only other thing i can think of that'd be any better than IP logging and screening...
it may not be perfect, but its a damn sight harder to cheat (for most people) than just sigining in again with a puppet nation.

No one is doubting that PM put a lot of work into the system.


Indeed, the off site polling with IP tracking and such to help eliminate cheating, along with a link that shows results (in one of the other posts in this thread) is actually very cool. What I'm objecting to is the way all of it was presented in this forum, mainly causing potential confusion between an "unofficial" poll and the genuine official vote. I note that the thread title has been changed to say "unofficial," but this really doesn't do anything about any damage that has already been done.

voter registration is pretty much the only other thing i can think of that'd be any better than IP logging and screening...
it may not be perfect, but its a damn sight harder to cheat (for most people) than just sigining in again with a puppet nation.

How do we stop people from simply registering their puppets?

Oh, not to mention the fact that this thread's poll options merge several parties. You'd have to be pretty damn stupid to think it's the official election.

Or I simply assume that the election is occuring in multiple stages. (this, in fact, is exactly what I initially thought when I first saw the "unofficial" poll).

But then I guess objecting to arbitrary and confusing procedures just makes one pretty damn stupid.

when does voting end?

when does voting end?

This poll will close on 06-10-2006 at 1:37 PM GMT

that's when i'll take the offsite poll down and tally up the votes

For some reason I don't take you seriously when you say this...
Hmm...
I wonder why...

But the system is always inherently just and fair. To those who have the most to gain from it.

(edit: Perhaps we can begin to understand the need for "extremism" in defense of liberty...)

that's when i'll take the offsite poll down and tally up the votes

Ok, thanks

I've acknowledged the change in the title of this thread to emphasize the fact that its poll is unofficial. However, there continues to be a problem with said title. Although it emphasizes that the poll contained within is "unofficial," it does not indicate that a link to the official vote is contained within. Thus, those who are browsing the list of topics in General are less likely to open the thread, as they will assume that all it contains is another unofficial opinion poll. As such, fewer potential voters will find the link to the official vote, and turnout will be reduced. This means that:


Those parties that have been projected to gains seats will stand a lesser chance of gaining more
Those parties that are projected to gain seats will stand a higher chance of having those seats go unchallenged.
Those parties that are not projected to gain seats stand a lesser chance of winning seats.


Thus, this problem again continues to benefit the larger parties projected to win seats, while disadvantaging those parties that are not projected to win seats.

A somewhat better title would have been something like "unofficial poll and link to official vote." Of course, as I have already said, placing the link in its own unique thread with a title along the lines of "NS General Elections Official Vote! Link Inside!" would have been the optimal solution.

In short, the legitimacy of these elections continues to fall further and further into doubt, and those parties with little (Human Rights) or no (Autonomist, Alcohol, Defenderist, Free Republic, Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic, Religious Conservative, Libertarian) projected representation continue to be unfairly disadvantaged.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/NBIP.png

Of course, as I have already said, placing the link in its own unique thread with a title along the lines of "NS General Elections Official Vote! Link Inside!" would have been the optimal solution.


Bingo (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501923). Happy now?

No.

There is still plenty of reason to assert that the election results are tainted; it is still likely the case that people's votes have gone uncounted because of the confusion. It doesn't help to present and administer the elections correctly when the voting period is already half way over. The damage is done, and certain parties continue to profit from gains made previously.

Besides that, there is still the matter of election thresholds being entirely undemocratic, the only purpose being, along a vein similar to first-past-the-post type electoral system, further entrenching powerful parties by preventing exposure and participation of others.

No.

There is still plenty of reason to assert that the election results are tainted; it is still likely the case that people's votes have gone uncounted because of the confusion. It doesn't help to present and administer the elections correctly when the voting period is already half way over. The damage is done, and certain parties continue to profit from gains made previously.


I second this.

No.

There is still plenty of reason to assert that the election results are tainted; it is still likely the case that people's votes have gone uncounted because of the confusion. It doesn't help to present and administer the elections correctly when the voting period is already half way over. The damage is done, and certain parties continue to profit from gains made previously.

Besides that, there is still the matter of election thresholds being entirely undemocratic, the only purpose being, along a vein similar to first-past-the-post type electoral system, further entrenching powerful parties by preventing exposure and participation of others.

*Thirds*

Alright, here's what we do instead, I suggest:

First, we change the seating of Parliament from 25 to 35, thus allowing for more representation. I believe the forum is large enough to warrent a thirty-five member Parliament.

Second, we dump all the voting thus far and start voting anew. This means redoing everything, and extending the voting period yes, but I believe it's only necessary if we are to have true voting results.

Third, we use those ten seats added to combine any and all parties that are not represented in the four percentage limit. This might cause a wee bit of confusion at first, and would be a wee bit difficult to manage, but it would ensure that all parties gain at least one seat--or a part of a seat, anyway--and thus allow representation for all parties.

It's either that or we dump the joke parties, ladies and gentlemen. Frankly, I'd prefer to dump the joke parties and stick with actual parties, like the Human Rights Party, or MOBRA, or UDCP, and whatnot.

Alright, here's what we do instead, I suggest:

First, we change the seating of Parliament from 25 to 35, thus allowing for more representation. I believe the forum is large enough to warrent a thirty-five member Parliament.

Second, we dump all the voting thus far and start voting anew. This means redoing everything, and extending the voting period yes, but I believe it's only necessary if we are to have true voting results.

Third, we use those ten seats added to combine any and all parties that are not represented in the four percentage limit. This might cause a wee bit of confusion at first, and would be a wee bit difficult to manage, but it would ensure that all parties gain at least one seat--or a part of a seat, anyway--and thus allow representation for all parties.

It's either that or we dump the joke parties, ladies and gentlemen. Frankly, I'd prefer to dump the joke parties and stick with actual parties, like the Human Rights Party, or MOBRA, or UDCP, and whatnot.

Unfortunately, Parliament rules dictate that changes in parliament policy have to happen during session. Since Parliament 2 (3?) only was in session for maybe a month, Parliament Next would have to pass those reforms (Over the jesting majority), and call new elections early for that to happen.

Unfortunately, Parliament rules dictate that changes in parliament policy have to happen during session. Since Parliament 2 (3?) only was in session for maybe a month, Parliament Next would have to pass those reforms (Over the jesting majority), and call new elections early for that to happen.

...damn it.

Can we at least redo the voting so the voting results are fair?

Alright, here's what we do instead, I suggest:

First, we change the seating of Parliament from 25 to 35, thus allowing for more representation. I believe the forum is large enough to warrent a thirty-five member Parliament.

Second, we dump all the voting thus far and start voting anew. This means redoing everything, and extending the voting period yes, but I believe it's only necessary if we are to have true voting results.

Third, we use those ten seats added to combine any and all parties that are not represented in the four percentage limit. This might cause a wee bit of confusion at first, and would be a wee bit difficult to manage, but it would ensure that all parties gain at least one seat--or a part of a seat, anyway--and thus allow representation for all parties.

It's either that or we dump the joke parties, ladies and gentlemen. Frankly, I'd prefer to dump the joke parties and stick with actual parties, like the Human Rights Party, or MOBRA, or UDCP, and whatnot.

Indeed. I would like to see the Defenderist, Alcohol, Autonomist, Free Republic, Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic, Religious Conservative, Libertarian, and Human Rights parties support these reforms and unite behind such a worthy cause. Especially the second item. I would prefer that the electoral threshold simply be dumped entirely, but the third item is at least a step in that direction.

Representatives of the Human Rights Party have expressed concern regarding the discrepancy between poll and official vote results (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11761519&postcount=77); if the Human Rights Party supports these reform goals, perhaps it can serve as a representative for that cause within parliament (as it is projected to win seats), where the necessary changes apparently need to be made. This could indeed serve as the basis of a potential larger political coalition.

Brothers, sisters, and trans-gendered,

One last time we urge you to vote for the Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland.

Now is the time to unite behind the quixotic, unaccountable rule of continental reunificationists.

And we firmly reject the categorisation of our party as a 'joke' party. If anything, ours is a 'satirical' party - which isn't quite the same thing.

Indeed. I would like to see the Defenderist, Alcohol, Autonomist, Free Republic, Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic, Religious Conservative, Libertarian, and Human Rights parties support these reforms and unite behind such a worthy cause. Especially the second item. I would prefer that the electoral threshold simply be dumped entirely, but the third item is at least a step in that direction.

Representatives of the Human Rights Party have expressed concern regarding the discrepancy between poll and official vote results (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11761519&postcount=77); if the Human Rights Party supports these reform goals, perhaps it can serve as a representative for that cause within parliament (as it is projected to win seats), where the necessary changes apparently need to be made. This could indeed serve as the basis of a potential larger political coalition.
That to me sounds like a worthy goal indeed. I would whole-heartedly approve any such coalition.

That to me sounds like a worthy goal indeed. I would whole-heartedly approve any such coalition.

I've posted a link to your recommended reforms, and my recommendation for coalition in the election debate thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11764106&postcount=112). Register your support and continue to spread the word among your party members.

This Poll sucks.-_-

I've posted a link to your recommended reforms, and my recommendation for coalition in the election debate thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11764106&postcount=112). Register your support and continue to spread the word among your party members.

Awe, would baby like me to pick up its dummy again?

Seriously, this is just a bit ridiculous, especially in light of the fact it shows absolutely no understanding of how the election process works, and has worked in the past. "Big parties" dominating the little parties? The "Big parties" of old aren't even in it - only the UDCP! The Moles are doing about the same as usual, and NBIP better than normal. And as for "new parties not getting a chance" - what the bloody hell do you think the Pogo stick party is, wotwot?

I assure you that the outcome of this election will make precisely zero impact on your life. If you're that bothered about it, then stick around for the next one. Most parties take time to build up - stop expecting that you can just come along with something no one has ever seen before and sweep into power.

Jeez, you'd think this was the Florida bloody recount.

Awe, would baby like me to pick up its dummy again?

Seriously, this is just a bit ridiculous, especially in light of the fact it shows absolutely no understanding of how the election process works, and has worked in the past. "Big parties" dominating the little parties? The "Big parties" of old aren't even in it - only the UDCP! The Moles are doing about the same as usual, and NBIP better than normal. And as for "new parties not getting a chance" - what the bloody hell do you think the Pogo stick party is, wotwot?

I assure you that the outcome of this election will make precisely zero impact on your life. If you're that bothered about it, then stick around for the next one. Most parties take time to build up - stop expecting that you can just come along with something no one has ever seen before and sweep into power.

Jeez, you'd think this was the Florida bloody recount.

You really have to love how worked up people get about elections to a parliament that only has power over itself.

Also :
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/CYPSWP3.jpg
CYPSWP FTW!

That to me sounds like a worthy goal indeed. I would whole-heartedly approve any such coalition.

The Defenderist Party, whom I represent, indicates its full support for the above recommendations.

Either n00k the joke/satirical parties, change the seats around w/ 35 instead of 25 (it really should be higher, but...), use the unofficial poll, and/or restart voting due to n00k50r butt3rfly b4ll0t5 (wh1ch 4r3 t3h suck, BTW).

PS: The pogos only succeeded b/c they fused with CWP. Uh-HUUUUUUH!!!!!

First, we change the seating of Parliament from 25 to 35, thus allowing for more representation. I believe the forum is large enough to warrent a thirty-five member Parliament.To avoid bizarre percentage calculations, I'd suggest 33, as 100 very nearly divides into it. That way, approximately 3% of the vote would get a seat.
I wouldn't go higher than that, participation in Parliament tends to drop after the election process.

Indeed. I would like to see the Defenderist, Alcohol, Autonomist, Free Republic, Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic, Religious Conservative, Libertarian, and Human Rights parties support these reforms and unite behind such a worthy cause. Especially the second item. I would prefer that the electoral threshold simply be dumped entirely, but the third item is at least a step in that direction.

Representatives of the Human Rights Party have expressed concern regarding the discrepancy between poll and official vote results (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11761519&postcount=77); if the Human Rights Party supports these reform goals, perhaps it can serve as a representative for that cause within parliament (as it is projected to win seats), where the necessary changes apparently need to be made. This could indeed serve as the basis of a potential larger political coalition.

I'll be the second member of the HRP to support such a coalition. We will fight to make sure that there is a distrobution of seats that allows even a broad election year to have representation based on votes received, not on structures that completely exclude third, and serious parties. That is, assuming that the other members of the HRP have no problems with such reforms.

Democracy, not oligarchy. :)

I assure you that the outcome of this election will make precisely zero impact on your life. If you're that bothered about it, then stick around for the next one. Most parties take time to build up - stop expecting that you can just come along with something no one has ever seen before and sweep into power.


Again, this is an easy position to take when one's own party has nothing to lose by defending the status quo. If the "outcome of this election will make precisely zero impact" on our lives, why not support the proposed reforms? What does the NBIP have to lose in that case?

Besides the "success" gained via a dubious electoral process.

Do not blame the system for your own failures. If people do not want to vote for you then that is your affair, not ours.

As for your poll, it is hardly surprising that it is inaccurate when the largest party in the actual vote was not even given an option on the poll, and a good deal of people voting will have no idea what the NS General election is about and will just be choosing one they like the name of.

Do not blame the system for your own failures. If people do not want to vote for you then that is your affair, not ours.

Hear, hear!

I find it extremely rude that these little rotters claim that the NBIP are only doing so well because of a ''dubious electoral process.'' Lord Philosopy and the rest of us NBIP members have done a super job during this campaign. I have seen British flags all over the place, wot!

Individual party members, as well as political parties as a whole, are invited to join the NS General Coalition for Electoral Reform (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11765635#post11765635) and make their voices heard. Join in an effort to create more free, fair, and transparent elections, as well as to increase representation of all parties (and, therefore, of all voters) in the NS General Parliament!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11765635#post11765635

i just realised i'm out tomorrow and won't be back till about 4pm at the earliest. as such the offsite poll can't be taken down at 1.37 as per when this thread was started (giving details of said poll). i apologise but its a work thing and obviously that comes first (plus its totally unavoidable... shame cos i'd much rather not go lol)

if people want to do things by the book then someone should save the results csv (http://www.fp.farma.org.uk/Huw%27s%20stuff/ns_election_1006/ballotresultsCSV.csv) at that time (aridd?) and email it to me or attach it to a post here to be analysed (which i'll do later tomorrow).
if not and people don't mind the extra couple of hours it'll be running, then that's fine too

i just realised i'm out tomorrow and won't be back till about 4pm at the earliest. as such the offsite poll can't be taken down at 1.37 as per when this thread was started (giving details of said poll). i apologise but its a work thing and obviously that comes first (plus its totally unavoidable... shame cos i'd much rather not go lol)

if people want to do things by the book then someone should save the results csv (http://www.fp.farma.org.uk/Huw%27s%20stuff/ns_election_1006/ballotresultsCSV.csv) at that time (aridd?) and email it to me or attach it to a post here to be analysed (which i'll do later tomorrow).
if not and people don't mind the extra couple of hours it'll be running, then that's fine too

What silliness, the NS election is far more important than work. ;)

What silliness, the NS election is far more important than work. ;)

i know! *grovels* :( ;)

The numbers speak for themselves:


Dissonant Cognition (Autonomist Party): "8,948th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Wilgrove (Libertarian Party): "7,470th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Greill (Free Republic Party): "5,325th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Kinda Sensible People (Human Rights Party): "705th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"



Philosopy (New British Imperial Party): "83,389th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Ariddia (United Democratic Communist Party): "34,162nd in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"


Who do YOU want protecting your right to vote, your right to be heard? Join the NS General Coalition for Electoral Reform (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502011) today!

Protect your vote and make your voice heard.

(data from United Nations study conducted 10/05/06)

The numbers speak for themselves:


Dissonant Cognition (Autonomist Party): "8,948th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Wilgrove (Libertarian Party): "7,470th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Greill (Free Republic Party): "5,325th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Kinda Sensible People (Human Rights Party): "705th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"



Philosopy (New British Imperial Party): "83,389th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Ariddia (United Democratic Communist Party): "34,162nd in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"


Who do YOU want protecting your right to vote, your right to be heard? Join the NS General Coalition for Electoral Reform (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502011) today!

Protect your vote and make your voice heard.

(data from United Nations study conducted 10/05/06)

Pure Metal (Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party) is ranked 13th in the region and 44,793rd in the world for Most Politically Free Nations.

ah crap :(

The numbers speak for themselves:


Dissonant Cognition (Autonomist Party): "8,948th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Wilgrove (Libertarian Party): "7,470th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Greill (Free Republic Party): "5,325th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Kinda Sensible People (Human Rights Party): "705th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"



Philosopy (New British Imperial Party): "83,389th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"
Ariddia (United Democratic Communist Party): "34,162nd in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"


Who do YOU want protecting your right to vote, your right to be heard? Join the NS General Coalition for Electoral Reform (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502011) today!

Protect your vote and make your voice heard.

(data from United Nations study conducted 10/05/06)

As Philosopy said...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/vonbek/rourke.gif

Vote NBIP
At least we're honest about denying free speech

But let that not get you down! Her majesty ensure one shallth have all the required freedom!*

*[/Really small letters stating above statement is a lie, while hiding it's true purpose in meaningless difficult words]

Pure Metal (Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party) is ranked 13th in the region and 44,793rd in the world for Most Politically Free Nations.

ah crap


Join the Coalition (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502011) anyway! The smaller parties are already uniting together under the cause of greater representation for all voters in the Parliament. Plus, we all appreciate the voting system that you created and administer and recognize how it helps protect the value of each and every individual vote. That's most certainly a boost for political freedoms for all! :D

The numbers speak for themselves:


Greill (Free Republic Party): "5,325th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations"


I'm not a fascist, I'm a good guy, who supports the election reform. And so should everybody else. :D

Pure Metal (Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party) is ranked 13th in the region and 44,793rd in the world for Most Politically Free Nations.

ah crap :(

I got ya beat there:
Daistallia 2104 is ranked 6th in the region and 13,454th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations.
http://www.nationstates.net/daistallia_2104

But my puppet of two weeks beats you all:
Pyrate utopia is ranked 1st in the region and 52nd in the world for Most Politically Free Nations.
http://www.nationstates.net/pyrate_utopia

Anywho, I think your system is better than the previous system. Still needs work (like getting it reasonably easy to actually see for a lot of us) but at least it catches the cheats...

Jello Biafra is ranked 3rd in the region and 12,435th in the world for Most Politically Free Nations.

:(

Well, at least I beat some of you. :)

i just realised i'm out tomorrow and won't be back till about 4pm at the earliest. as such the offsite poll can't be taken down at 1.37 as per when this thread was started (giving details of said poll). i apologise but its a work thing and obviously that comes first (plus its totally unavoidable... shame cos i'd much rather not go lol)

if people want to do things by the book then someone should save the results csv (http://www.fp.farma.org.uk/Huw%27s%20stuff/ns_election_1006/ballotresultsCSV.csv) at that time (aridd?) and email it to me or attach it to a post here to be analysed (which i'll do later tomorrow).
if not and people don't mind the extra couple of hours it'll be running, then that's fine too

If I'm online at that time, I'll see to it.

FINAL RESULTS

(numbers are 'as-is', not number of seats or whatever)

151 votes total



New British Imperialist Party 25 (17%)
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party 24 (16%)
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party 14 (9%)
United Democratic Communist Party 14 (9%)
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance 13 (9%)
Democratic Socialist Party 12 (8%)
Human Rights Party 11 (7%)
Freedom, Environment and Science Party 8 (5%)
Religious Conservative Party 7 (5%)
Libertarian Party 5 (3%)
Autonomist Party 4 (3%)
Free Republic Party 4 (3%)
Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party 4 (3%)
Alcohol Party 3 (2%)
Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland 2 (1%)
Defenderist Party 1 (1%)



votes removed:

1 removed for OFMP
2 removed for Religious Conservatives
6 removed for Punks & Pirates
2 for Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party
1 for Human Rights Party (72.24.124.9)
1 for NBIP
3 for MORBA
2 blank votes removed
1 for United Democratic Communist Party

check my excel worksheet here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/xls/election%20results.xls) if you wish

New British Imperialist Party 25 (17%)


Huzzah!

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/rourke.gif
An NBIP Victory
The Queen Smiles on NationStates
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/animated_union_jack2.gif

This Parliament's first act should be to sing a rousing chorus of God Save the Queen!

This Parliament's first act should be to sing a rousing chorus of God Save the Queen!Sure. <Singing> "God save the Queen! She ain't no human being! And there's no future!"

Sure. <Singing> "God save the Queen! She ain't no human being! And there's no future!"

Sacrilege! Throw him in the Loch Ness! :gundge:


Anyway, we won!
Hip hip hooray! Huzzah! God save the Queen! http://www.thewomenslounge.com/forums/images/smilies/britishflag.gif

God Save the Queen! Rule Britannia!

check my excel worksheet here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/xls/election%20results.xls) if you wish

Done and confirmed.

Which means... the number of seats is as follows:

New British Imperialist Party: 16.56% => 4 seats (3.44% away from +1)
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 15.89% => 4 seats (4.11% away from +1)
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 9.27% => 2 seats (2.73% away from +1)
United Democratic Communist Party: 9.27% => 2 seats (2.73% away from +1)
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 8.61% => 2 seats (3.39% away from +1)
Democratic Socialist Party: 7.95% => 2 seats (4.05% away from +1)
Human Rights Party: 7.28% => 2 seats (4.72% away from +1)
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 5.30% => 1 seat (2.70% away from +1)
Religious Conservative Party: 4.64% => 1 seat (3.36% away from +1)
Libertarian Party: 3.31% => 0 seat
Autonomist Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Free Republic Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Alcohol Party: 1.99% => 0 seat
Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland: 1.32% => 0 seat
Defenderist Party: 0.66% => 0 seat

Which accounts for 20 seats. We move on to rounding.

The Freedom, Environment and Science Party ist closest to obtaining an extra seat, and so gets one. Next come the PUNKS & PIRATES Party and the UDCP. Finally, on a very narrow margin, the RCP and MOBRA get the two remaining seats.

So, the final number of seats:

New British Imperialist Party: 4 seats
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 4 seats
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 3 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 3 seats
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 3 seats
Democratic Socialist Party: 2 seats
Human Rights Party: 2 seats
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 2 seats
Religious Conservative Party: 2 seats

For a total of 25 seats.

Congratulations to all. Please indicate as soon as possible who your MPs will be.

Er, in the nicest possible way, that's absurd. :)

NBIP and the Pogos have twice the number of votes as the other parties, but only one more seat each?

Er, in the nicest possible way, that's absurd. :)

NBIP and the Pogos have twice the number of votes as the other parties, but only one more seat each?

It's the counting system that's always been used. It's not perfect, but it's fairer than any alternative anyone's ever been able to come up with. If you have a better idea, of course, you can suggest it in Parliament, and I'm sure we'd all be glad to adopt it to put an end to any bickering (as if that were possible...). :)

It's the counting system that's always been used. It's not perfect, but it's fairer than any alternative anyone's ever been able to come up with. If you have a better idea, of course, you can suggest it in Parliament, and I'm sure we'd all be glad to adopt it to put an end to any bickering (as if that were possible...). :)
Well, I will probably put forward some legislation, but I would have hoped for at least some recognition of our victory.

How does the legislative work anyway?

FUCK!
I wasn't around to vote...

Well, I will probably put forward some legislation, but I would have hoped for at least some recognition of our victory.

I say Lord Philosopy should be prime minister. :)

How does the legislative work anyway?

Good grief... Let me go and unearth the ole' rules. The First Parliament hammered out procedures. I'll post a link to them in a moment.

Edit: The Legislative Procedures established by Parliament can be read here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9084706&postcount=2).

Good grief... Let me go and unearth the ole' rules. The First Parliament hammered out procedures. I'll post a link to them in a moment.

Edit: The Legislative Procedures established by Parliament can be read here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9084706&postcount=2).
Thanks.

Oh, and well done Ariddia. It's a thankless task trying to organise this, with everyone thinking that they know better. It is my intention that this Parliament is actually going to do something, beyond simply changing the electoral procedures.

I'll see you on the debating chamber floor!

Thanks.

Oh, and well done Ariddia. It's a thankless task trying to organise this, with everyone thinking that they know better. It is my intention that this Parliament is actually going to do something, beyond simply changing the electoral procedures.

I'll see you on the debating chamber floor!

If I'm an MP. ;)

You're very welcome. It's a nice change to hear that, actually. And I'll be very glad to see this Parliament be an active one. :)

Congratulations on your party getting so much support.

And thank you again to PM, for his excellent voting system and for his efforts in general to make this work. Great job.

And thank you again to PM, for his excellent voting system and for his efforts in general to make this work. Great job.

Indeed, the ability to weed out multiple votes and other forms of cheating, while presenting results in real time, is extremely helpful. Thanks PM! :D

Other problems (having nothing to do with the above) remain, however.

Don't let my complaints be misconstrued as ingratitude to those administering these elections. Although I think that the electorial process was extremely lacking, I do appreciate the work everyone put into this.

Done and confirmed.

Which means... the number of seats is as follows:

New British Imperialist Party: 16.56% => 4 seats (3.44% away from +1)
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 15.89% => 4 seats (4.11% away from +1)
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 9.27% => 2 seats (2.73% away from +1)
United Democratic Communist Party: 9.27% => 2 seats (2.73% away from +1)
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 8.61% => 2 seats (3.39% away from +1)
Democratic Socialist Party: 7.95% => 2 seats (4.05% away from +1)
Human Rights Party: 7.28% => 2 seats (4.72% away from +1)
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 5.30% => 1 seat (2.70% away from +1)
Religious Conservative Party: 4.64% => 1 seat (3.36% away from +1)
Libertarian Party: 3.31% => 0 seat
Autonomist Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Free Republic Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party: 2.65% => 0 seat
Alcohol Party: 1.99% => 0 seat
Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland: 1.32% => 0 seat
Defenderist Party: 0.66% => 0 seat

Which accounts for 20 seats. We move on to rounding.

The Freedom, Environment and Science Party ist closest to obtaining an extra seat, and so gets one. Next come the PUNKS & PIRATES Party and the UDCP. Finally, on a very narrow margin, the RCP and MOBRA get the two remaining seats.

So, the final number of seats:

New British Imperialist Party: 4 seats
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party: 4 seats
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party: 3 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 3 seats
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance: 3 seats
Democratic Socialist Party: 2 seats
Human Rights Party: 2 seats
Freedom, Environment and Science Party: 2 seats
Religious Conservative Party: 2 seats

For a total of 25 seats.

Congratulations to all. Please indicate as soon as possible who your MPs will be.
I demand a recount!!!


Can I do that even though I didn't vote? :p

I say Lord Philosopy should be prime minister. :)
I think Philosopy and Ruffy should duke it out. :D

I think Philosopy and Ruffy should duke it out. :D
http://www.psych.upenn.edu/~seyfarth/Baboon%20research/PO(HY)-FG%20Fight%20Web.jpg

http://www.psych.upenn.edu/~seyfarth/Baboon%20research/PO(HY)-FG%20Fight%20Web.jpg
Which one is Ruffy? If I had to guess, I would say the one on the right, as it appears that the one on the left is trying to take a philisophical approach to the encouter. :D

Which one is Ruffy? If I had to guess, I would say the one on the right, as it appears that the one on the left is trying to take a philisophical approach to the encouter. :D
How could the one on the right not be Ruffy?

How could the one on the right not be Ruffy?
Oh, I agree for sure, although I am not so sure that Ruffy will take kindly to the baboon side of it?

FINAL RESULTS

(numbers are 'as-is', not number of seats or whatever)

151 votes total



New British Imperialist Party 25 (17%)
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party 24 (16%)
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party 14 (9%)
United Democratic Communist Party 14 (9%)
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance 13 (9%)
Democratic Socialist Party 12 (8%)
Human Rights Party 11 (7%)
Freedom, Environment and Science Party 8 (5%)
Religious Conservative Party 7 (5%)
Libertarian Party 5 (3%)
Autonomist Party 4 (3%)
Free Republic Party 4 (3%)
Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party 4 (3%)
Alcohol Party 3 (2%)
Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland 2 (1%)
Defenderist Party 1 (1%)



votes removed:

1 removed for OFMP
2 removed for Religious Conservatives
6 removed for Punks & Pirates
2 for Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party
1 for Human Rights Party (72.24.124.9)
1 for NBIP
3 for MORBA
2 blank votes removed
1 for United Democratic Communist Party

check my excel worksheet here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/xls/election%20results.xls) if you wish
I beg to differ, the polll is still open. -_-

It ain't all bad i can think of at least 6 MOBRAITES who aren't around to vote for MOBRA, and at least we arent a Knob Jockey Party like CypsWP.:cool:

FINAL RESULTS

(numbers are 'as-is', not number of seats or whatever)

151 votes total



New British Imperialist Party 25 (17%)
Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party 24 (16%)
PUNKS AND PIRATES Party 14 (9%)
United Democratic Communist Party 14 (9%)
Mole and Other Borrowing Rodents Alliance 13 (9%)
Democratic Socialist Party 12 (8%)
Human Rights Party 11 (7%)
Freedom, Environment and Science Party 8 (5%)
Religious Conservative Party 7 (5%)
Libertarian Party 5 (3%)
Autonomist Party 4 (3%)
Free Republic Party 4 (3%)
Opportunity & Fairness Meritocratic Party 4 (3%)
Alcohol Party 3 (2%)
Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland 2 (1%)
Defenderist Party 1 (1%)



votes removed:

1 removed for OFMP
2 removed for Religious Conservatives
6 removed for Punks & Pirates
2 for Choose [Your Pogo Stick] Wisely Party
1 for Human Rights Party (72.24.124.9)
1 for NBIP
3 for MORBA
2 blank votes removed
1 for United Democratic Communist Party

check my excel worksheet here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/election/xls/election%20results.xls) if you wish
How does a party lose only 1 vote if someone voted more than once?
Did the same person vote for different parties?:confused:

I demand a recount!!!

Can I do that even though I didn't vote? :p

No, but you can recount it yourself. :D