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Ahh this is sweet! Katie's Revenge! Apparently the guy who molested and kill 10 year old Katie got beaten up and held down by some other prisoners and got Katie's Revenge tattooed on his forehead. That is FUCKING AWESOME!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/28/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us

CARLISLE, Indiana (AP) -- An inmate serving a life term for molesting and killing a 10-year-old girl named Katie somehow got "Katie's Revenge" tattooed across his forehead, and prison authorities were trying to determine how it happened.

The Indiana Department of Correction placed Anthony Ray Stockelman, 39, in protective custody away from the general inmate population last weekend after authorities discovered the tattoo, said Rich Larsen, a spokesman for the Wabash Valley Correctional Facility.

Stockelman was sentenced to life in prison after pleading guilty to abducting, molesting and killing Katlyn "Katie" Collman. Katie was missing for five days before her body was found January 30, 2005, in a creek about 15 miles from her home in the southern Indiana town of Crothersville.

Larsen refused to comment on what Stockelman has said about it or what else investigators have learned. He said he did not know how a picture of the crude tattoo was taken and distributed outside the prison, including on the Internet.

Collman's father, John Neace, said he heard about the tattoo from friends and believes it was the work of inmates.

"If I had to guess I'd say it's a statement from the inmates," he said Wednesday. Neace said he has no idea whether his late daughter's distant cousin, who is also serving time at Wabash, played any role.

Stockelman's tattoo, which covers nearly his entire forehead, has "KATIE'S" in large letters and "REVENGE" below in smaller letters.

The search for Katie, a bright child who enjoyed basketball and the Disney Channel, had consumed Crothersville. Police initially believed she was abducted and slain so she would not reveal methamphetamine activity in her neighborhood.

Investigators had interviewed Stockelman early on because he matched the description of a man seen with the girl. Then another man told police that he was involved in the murder.

That confession was eventually shown to be false as evidence pointed investigators back to Stockelman and DNA from the crime scene was found to match his.

A message seeking additional comment left Thursday for an Indiana Department of Correction spokesman was not immediately returned.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Ahh this is sweet! Katie's Revenge! Apparently the guy who molested and kill 10 year old Katie got beaten up and held down by some other prisoners and got Katie's Revenge tattooed on his forehead. That is FUCKING AWESOME!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/28/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us

LOL - I love the justice of it. However, it would've suited me better if they'd killed him at the end of it, for killing her.

LOL - I love the justice of it. However, it would've suited me better if they'd killed him at the end of it, for killing her.

Death is no punishment.

LOL - I love the justice of it. However, it would've suited me better if they'd killed him at the end of it, for killing her.

Nah, this way he would be branded for the rest of his life. People will now know to keep their children away from him.

I would have tattooed this...

On his eyes.

Prison Inmates. What a delightful bunch.

Death is no punishment.

I agree. Though I suspect the bastard got more than a tattoo out of the deal. You know what else prisons are famous for, right? ;)

I suspect he knows a little more of how Katie must have felt.

Prison Inmates. What a delightful bunch.

Yes they are. I've always heard that the regular prison population hate child molesters and child killers, I wonder why.

Yes they are. I've always heard that the regular prison population hate child molesters and child killers, I wonder why.

The majority of prison inmates aren't sadistic or pedophiles. Nope, they're just regular joes like you and me - just much more violent.

Yes they are. I've always heard that the regular prison population hate child molesters and child killers, I wonder why.

The biggest reason is because many of those other prison inmates have families and children. Or younger siblings. They may be criminals, but that they still have human love and devotion to their family. When a child killer or molester comes along, they kind of take it personally.

The majority of prison inmates aren't sadistic or pedophiles. Nope, they're just regular joes like you and me - just much more violent.

Or a few less scruples.

Ahh this is sweet! Katie's Revenge! Apparently the guy who molested and kill 10 year old Katie got beaten up and held down by some other prisoners and got Katie's Revenge tattooed on his forehead. That is FUCKING AWESOME!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/28/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us

Wow, this deserved it's own thread, because, after all, things like this rarely happen in prison! :rolleyes:

there was a thing called rule of law.
now it's gone and is no more
where it went I cannot say
but it isn't here; well, not today

Ahh this is sweet! Katie's Revenge! Apparently the guy who molested and kill 10 year old Katie got beaten up and held down by some other prisoners and got Katie's Revenge tattooed on his forehead. That is FUCKING AWESOME!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/28/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us

How fucking wonderful. :rolleyes:

We should definitely celebrate this sort of thing. It makes us civilized and moral. :rolleyes:

It's no wonder that gang rape in prisons is still a problem. I have yet to see a person in this thread show disgust at these actions. Sinking to the level of the criminal, or worse-yet, laughing as others do, is disgusting and immature. Yes, he is an evil man who commited disgusting acts. No, that does not excuse violence and barbarism.

People occasionally make me sick.

YEAH! VIOLENCE!

Pffft. Who really cares? This sort of thing happens in prison all the time, especially to child killers and even more so for rapists.

I say crucify the guy for a day or two, then set his barely-living corpse on fire. That's what I'd call revenge.

How fucking wonderful. :rolleyes:

We should definitely celebrate this sort of thing. It makes us civilized and moral. :rolleyes:

It's no wonder that gang rape in prisons is still a problem. I have yet to see a person in this thread show disgust at these actions. Sinking to the level of the criminal, or worse-yet, laughing as others do, is disgusting and immature. Yes, he is an evil man who commited disgusting acts. No, that does not excuse violence and barbarism.

People occasionally make me sick.

Stop bitching and get with the flow.

Ahh this is sweet! Katie's Revenge! Apparently the guy who molested and kill 10 year old Katie got beaten up and held down by some other prisoners and got Katie's Revenge tattooed on his forehead. That is FUCKING AWESOME!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/28/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us

They should haev cut his balls off and then bled him to death, slowly. Then again, you'd have the PC people whining that it isn't fair, that they have rights too. Notice they never whine for the dead & violated kid.

They should haev cut his balls off and then bled him to death, slowly. Then again, you'd have the PC people whining that it isn't fair, that they have rights too. Notice they never whine for the dead & violated kid.

Right... So just by saying that it is barbaric to torture anyone as revenge, we are failing to whine for the victim? That couldn't be more innacurate. What happened to her was awful, but beyond offering condolences to her family, what can one do?

Besides which, sinking to the level of this criminal just makes us worse. It doesn't make anything better.

How fucking wonderful. :rolleyes:

We should definitely celebrate this sort of thing. It makes us civilized and moral. :rolleyes:

It's no wonder that gang rape in prisons is still a problem. I have yet to see a person in this thread show disgust at these actions. Sinking to the level of the criminal, or worse-yet, laughing as others do, is disgusting and immature. Yes, he is an evil man who commited disgusting acts. No, that does not excuse violence and barbarism.

People occasionally make me sick.

Sometimes I am amazed and a little upset by my own barbarism. But I take heart in the fact that at least I'm not killing and molesting children. So there is hope for me. :)

Disgusting barbarism. Seek justice, not revenge.

Death is no punishment.
Exactly.

I hate our prisons.

Say what you want about prison populations, but they generally have a burning hatred towards those who commit crimes against children.

For those who are saying it's barbaric, cruel etc. Comon, what about Katie, what that guy did was barbaric and cruel to her! I say the prisoners was too kind on that guy. If it was me I would've done alot worse than a tattoo.

For those who are saying it's barbaric, cruel etc. Comon, what about Katie, what that guy did was barbaric and cruel to her! I say the prisoners was too kind on that guy. If it was me I would've done alot worse than a tattoo.

Sinking down to the level of someone else because they do something horrible just makes you worse.

For those who are saying it's barbaric, cruel etc. Comon, what about Katie, what that guy did was barbaric and cruel to her! I say the prisoners was too kind on that guy. If it was me I would've done alot worse than a tattoo.
What about what he did to her? Are we not supposed to be better than him?

Disgusting barbarism. Seek justice, not revenge.


What is Justice but state-sanctioned revenge? And he survived it, what more do you want. Considering one of the girls relatives is in the same jail, the piece of shit is lucky he is able to walk away from it.

I was under the impression that molestors, child killers and rapist were kept out of general population. Has that changed?


Sinking down to the level of someone else because they do something horrible just makes you worse.

The people who attacked him are already at his level. They are in JAIL! And the odds are that the guys who did it have done much worse before that.

The biggest reason is because many of those other prison inmates have families and children. Or younger siblings. They may be criminals, but that they still have human love and devotion to their family. When a child killer or molester comes along, they kind of take it personally.
Yet if the female they raped is 18+, the inmates have no problem with that.
Where is the 'human love' and 'devotion to family' there?
So prison mentality goes something like this:
If it's a 10 yr old girl = obscene, disgusting, let's get that sick bastard and torture him!
If it's an 18yr old girl = ahhh...she probably loved it. They all do, you know.

As far I'm concerned, you either for rape or against it. Why the hell should we applaud the actions of some crims who attack and torture one man for commiting a crime that they themselves could well be guilty of as well?

Ahh this is sweet! Katie's Revenge! Apparently the guy who molested and kill 10 year old Katie got beaten up and held down by some other prisoners and got Katie's Revenge tattooed on his forehead. That is FUCKING AWESOME!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/28/inmate.tattoo.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us

one of the reasons why I say, child molesters and people who prey on children will have a tough time in prision. after all, Inmates on the inside tend to have Children that they care for on the OUTSIDE!

The people who attacked him are already at his level. They are in JAIL! And the odds are that the guys who did it have done much worse before that.

By applauding them, you embrace their actions. Rather, reject them, and become a better person for it.

Yet if the female they raped is 18+, the inmates have no problem with that.
Where is the 'human love' and 'devotion to family' there?
So prison mentality goes something like this:
If it's a 10 yr old girl = obscene, disgusting, let's get that sick bastard and torture him!
If it's an 18yr old girl = ahhh...she probably loved it. They all do, you know.

As far I'm concerned, you either for rape or against it. Why the hell should we applaud the actions of some crims who attack and torture one man for commiting a crime that they themselves could well be guilty of as well?

I really don't understand the criminal mentality or how they rationalize their behaviors. Their lines between 'right and wrong' are at best, jagged. I can't speak for everybody, but I'm not applauding what they did. I am showing a complete apathy for what a bunch of criminals do to one of their sickest members.

I also enjoy a good show when I see one. :)

Yet if the female they raped is 18+, the inmates have no problem with that.
Where is the 'human love' and 'devotion to family' there?
So prison mentality goes something like this:
If it's a 10 yr old girl = obscene, disgusting, let's get that sick bastard and torture him!
If it's an 18yr old girl = ahhh...she probably loved it. They all do, you know.

As far I'm concerned, you either for rape or against it. Why the hell should we applaud the actions of some crims who attack and torture one man for commiting a crime that they themselves could well be guilty of as well?
because, at 18, technically and legally they are adults and able to protect themselves. chilren, are still seen as innocent and thus easy prey.

and who's to say they aren't?

By applauding them, you embrace their actions. Rather, reject them, and become a better person for it.

Sorry, I guess I'll have to just stay me and applaud them for what they did. Because if someone did the same with one of my nieces, I'd do my best to track the sonuvabitch down and make damned sure that he would NEVER be able to hurt another kid again.

If that makes me a barbarian, then fuck it, I am a barbarian. At least my conscience will let me sleep at night.

Sorry, I guess I'll have to just stay me and applaud them for what they did. Because if someone did the same with one of my nieces, I'd do my best to track the sonuvabitch down and make damned sure that he would NEVER be able to hurt another kid again.
Well then, I hope you like prison.

Sorry, I guess I'll have to just stay me and applaud them for what they did. Because if someone did the same with one of my nieces, I'd do my best to track the sonuvabitch down and make damned sure that he would NEVER be able to hurt another kid again.

If that makes me a barbarian, then fuck it, I am a barbarian. At least my conscience will let me sleep at night.

I have no idea why it will, since you're just as bad as he is, if you would harm someone else.

This represents exactly what is wrong with our prison system in the US. The punishment should be carefully metted out by the state to deter others, rehibilitate the criminal if possible, provide restitution to the victim if possible, and prevent others from being harmed by the criminal. This case may serve as a deterant but it is detramental to the other three criteria for both the victim of the abuse and the abusing prisoners. These actions would not be tolerated if explicitly sanctioned by the state and therefore should not be tacitly condoned by it. As bad as the criminal might be, we shouldn't do it, allow it to be done to him, or derive pleasure in it because we are better than that.
*Get's ready for crucifiction*

I have no idea why it will, since you're just as bad as he is, if you would harm someone else.

Warm milk helps. :)

Warm milk helps. :)

Tranquilizers, too, I suppose. :p

*Get's ready for crucifiction*"Out of the door, line on the left, one cross each"

Tranquilizers, too, I suppose. :p

I never touch the stuff. At least, not intentionally. There was that one time I was roaming free in the forest and a tranquilizer dart hit me in the shoulder. I woke up a few hours later and I had this damn tag in my ear. :(

I say tie a rope to his dick and tie the other end to a prison door like 20 ft down..and then slam it...im sure he'd like that feeling ;)

Well then, I hope you like prison.

I tend to suspect a lot of juries would agree with my position.


I have no idea why it will, since you're just as bad as he is, if you would harm someone else.

As bad as him? Are you fucking kidding me? I've never molested and murdered a little girl. My beating the shit out of a rancid fuck like him is in no way comparable to what he did! And trying to suggest that it is makes me really wonder about you.

I never touch the stuff. At least, not intentionally. There was that one time I was roaming free in the forest and a tranquilizer dart hit me in the shoulder. I woke up a few hours later and I had this damn tag in my ear. :(

That was you? Dammit, I told them you didn't look much like a deer!

Ahh this is sweet! Katie's Revenge! Apparently the guy who molested and kill 10 year old Katie got beaten up and held down by some other prisoners and got Katie's Revenge tattooed on his forehead. That is FUCKING AWESOME!

Fuck yeah! Violence in prisons rocks! AWESOME. LOLOLOL

As bad as him? Are you fucking kidding me? I've never molested and murdered a little girl. My beating the shit out of a rancid fuck like him is in no way comparable to what he did! And trying to suggest that it is makes me really wonder about you.

Ok, you're right. You didn't molest a child. In that regard, you are still better.

However... You are still evil, because you also killed someone. That makes you an evil person. Sorry, but if that makes you wonder about me... Maybe you ought to be looking to yourself. After all, I'm not the one condoning murder.

Ok, you're right. You didn't molest a child. In that regard, you are still better.

However... You are still evil, because you also killed someone. That makes you an evil person. Sorry, but if that makes you wonder about me... Maybe you ought to be looking to yourself. After all, I'm not the one condoning murder.

I was going to say something but forgot...and since i have this box open already, ill just say :)

I tend to suspect a lot of juries would agree with my position.
I think you'd be surprised.

I tend to suspect a lot of juries would agree with my position.Oh.. I hope I can be the camera man who zooms in on your face when the verdict is read...

As bad as him? Are you fucking kidding me? I've never molested and murdered a little girl. My beating the shit out of a rancid fuck like him is in no way comparable to what he did! And trying to suggest that it is makes me really wonder about you.actually. yes... you took the law into your own hands, you presumed a posistion of power over your victim... like he assumed one over your little girl. so you are just as bad as he is.

I think you'd be surprised.

well, there's always the temporarily insane plea...

well, there's always the temporarily insane plea...
Which would really only be a reasonable defense if the guy happened to be right there when he found out, unless this Duntscruwithus happens to be a very wealthy man.

That was you? Dammit, I told them you didn't look much like a deer!

Well, in their defense, I was covered with mud an chasing somebody with a couple of sticks. :p

Death is no punishment.

Your right. Life of Torture would be a better punishment. We should be giving LoT sentences instead of death! They deserved it.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

Your right. Life of Torture would be a better punishment. We should be giving LoT sentences instead of death! They deserved it.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

We already do. It's called "prison".

We already do. It's called "prison".

Ha, they have it way too easy in prison. We should stop wasting our tax dollars on those worthless bastards and just execute 90% of them. The other 10% would have life of torture for the ones that really deserved it!

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

LOL - I love the justice of it. However, it would've suited me better if they'd killed him at the end of it, for killing her.
Naw, let him live with the tattoo.

Seriously, that is what I call justice.

Ok, you're right. You didn't molest a child. In that regard, you are still better.

However... You are still evil, because you also killed someone. That makes you an evil person. Sorry, but if that makes you wonder about me... Maybe you ought to be looking to yourself. After all, I'm not the one condoning murder.

Go back and read what I said; I said he'd never hurt another kid, I didn't say I'd kill him. To simple, to easy.

Calling this guy a victim is assinine. He spends some time in jail, gets paroled in a few years and live out his life. Hell, the state will probably pay to have the tattoo removed. He'll be back on the street and Katie is still dead. And you all scream justice? Where is the fucking justice in that?

I still stand by my statement, and I hope that sick fucker will rot the rest of his day in jail, and I hope that every morning when he wakes up and look at the mirror, that he is reminded of what he did by that tattoo. I hope that it drives him insane. I know in my heart that if my niece (or nephew) ever come to harm by a moelster and killer, I will personally track down the bastard and make sure he can't reproduce and hurt anymore children. I wouldn't kill him but I will def. make his life a lot harder and make him remember what he did. If sticking up for my family who I love is barbaric, then hey, I'm barbaric.

Ha, they have it way too easy in prison.
Goddamn, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Goddamn, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Prisoners are being spoiled in prison. Inmates are provided three 1,200-calorie meals a day, have colored cable tv, watch the latest movies, play video games, have access to sporting equipment, including weights and gym equipment, cable internet, voting rights, paying jobs, etc. All at the cost of the tax payer!

Isn’t that great? People commit crimes, steal other people’s property, they rape, they murder and perform other crimes on the public at large and they’re doing better than the people living in poverty and if they’re missing out on anything there’s always some well-meaning human rights group waiting in the wings to swoop in and make sure that the rights of prisoners are protected and they’re not taken advantage of.

Goddamn, you have no idea what you're talking about.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

Nah, this way he would be branded for the rest of his life. People will now know to keep their children away from him.

Naw, that's the least of it. In prison, there's a subclass of those who hurt children (See, even criminals apparently have some sense of justice.). They're the lowest of the low. After getting beaten up and protected by guards (a cycle), they very frequently get killed. I can't say that I feel sorry for them at all. When you rape and then kill a child, I rather think I, as a member of society, lose my obligation to protect you. If I retain such an obligation, then I feel that things (such as good treatment) can be "overlooked." If any such- we'll just say "crimes" are committed while I am within range to protect the child, all bets are off. The man is dead.

Ah, my only homicidal tenancy...

outlines luxuries inmates have

While that's true in several facilities, I think the habitual ass-rapes one would endure would sort of even the scales.

if you dont want to be tortured, dont be a child killer.

Heh.

This kind of thing happens in UK jails also - if you come in as a child-molester / child-killer / rapist in general, you will get the shit beaten out of you every single day, all day, until you leave.

Even criminals have standards. Anyone who harms a child will not have an enjoyable time in prison. I will certainly not have any sympathy for the perv either.

Say what you want about prison populations, but they generally have a burning hatred towards those who commit crimes against children.

Yea people with selective morals. Sounds like alot of people not in prision too.

This represents exactly what is wrong with our prison system in the US. The punishment should be carefully metted out by the state to deter others, rehibilitate the criminal if possible, provide restitution to the victim if possible, and prevent others from being harmed by the criminal. This case may serve as a deterant but it is detramental to the other three criteria for both the victim of the abuse and the abusing prisoners. These actions would not be tolerated if explicitly sanctioned by the state and therefore should not be tacitly condoned by it. As bad as the criminal might be, we shouldn't do it, allow it to be done to him, or derive pleasure in it because we are better than that.


QFT This was very well said.

To me, this is a sad story that illustrates the poor conditions of the prison system in the US. It is nothing to applaud.

As bad as him? Are you fucking kidding me? I've never molested and murdered a little girl. My beating the shit out of a rancid fuck like him is in no way comparable to what he did!

Yes it is comparable. They are both violations of the law. Unless you want to start getting into the arguement of one illegal assult being "better" then another illegal assult. We start going down that road, then we might just as well tear all the laws up into little pieces.

if you dont want to be tortured, dont be a child killer.

This is completly ignorant. Instead of prision systems lets just go back to chopping hands off for shoplifting too. Hey you want to keep your hands you dont shoplift right? Right?

What the fuck? Why is someone who rapes a child any worse than someone who rapes anyone? Don't give me the "innocent/unable to defend themselves" bullshit - most rape victims are unable to defend themselves either. They're morally equivilent in all but your subjective, anger-tainted opinion. They're sick and wrong, but no more wrong than someone who killed someone in a gangland shooting.

Justice is the concept of being fair and impartial to all people in our judgements. The criminal who rapes a child is no different from the criminal who rapes a grown woman. The point of achieving justice is to achieve optimum harmony - locking the criminal away and protecting society from their evil.

Revenge is retaliation for a percieved wrongdoing. It does not seek harmony; rather, it seeks injury. Seeking injury lowers ourselves to the level of rapists and murderers.

I say again: seek justice, not revenge, or you are just as bad as they are.

I say again: seek justice, not revenge, or you are just as bad as they are.

True, but that does not stop us from feeling a sense of satisfaction when something like this happens.

True, but that does not stop us from feeling a sense of satisfaction when something like this happens.

It should.

Wow, this deserved it's own thread, because, after all, things like this rarely happen in prison! :rolleyes:

You are correct.

this ought to be an actual punishment for prisoners to get branded with the crime that they did. myabe not for all crimes, but the extreme ones.


knowing todays standards and people crying "this is an outrage" the state is going to pay for tattoo removal and any other cosmetic surgery.

knowing todays standards and people crying "this is an outrage" the state is going to pay for tattoo removal and any other cosmetic surgery.

Are you implying its not the States responsibility to keep its charges safe from other violations of the law? And if they fail in that charge shouldnt they be liable in any way?

Are you implying its not the States responsibility to keep its charges safe from other violations of the law? And if they fail in that charge shouldnt they be liable in any way?

nope

This is completly ignorant. Instead of prision systems lets just go back to chopping hands off for shoplifting too. Hey you want to keep your hands you dont shoplift right? Right?

Well, yeah. I have a feeling it probably worked pretty well, too.

So what if the State "forgets" to feed a prisioner, and he dies of starvation in his cell and his fetid body rots till it breaks down into a pile of goo while prisioners around him have to live next to it? That ok too? At what point does the State have responsibility for the feeding care and safekeeping of thier charges then? Your not thinking clearly in your answer.

So what if the State "forgets" to feed a prisioner, and he dies of starvation in his cell and his fetid body rots till it breaks down into a pile of goo while prisioners around him have to live next to it? That ok too? At what point does the State have responsibility for the feeding care and safekeeping of thier charges then? Your not thinking clearly in your answer.

No. What is effective isn't always what is right; causing a person to die because of negligence is no better than murdering them in the first place. What those prisoners did was wrong, but there is a sense of schadenfreude that people get from seeing them recieve that kind of punishment.

However, those violations of the law will be punished if possible.

Well, yeah. I have a feeling it probably worked pretty well, too.

Especially after the second offense!

Regular Criminals have a moral code: don't mess with children. When they brought the suspected killer of that girl with that farked up name to the prison in Colorado, they had to constantly seperate him so no one would try and hurt him.

Seeing how regular prisoners hate child raptist and killers, and it's a well known fact. Sometimes I have to wonder why prison would put child raptist and killers in with the general population, full well knowing what could happen. I love it! :D . I say let those bastards get hurt, then they will see what it like to experience pain that they caused their victims.

Yes it is comparable. They are both violations of the law. Unless you want to start getting into the arguement of one illegal assult being "better" then another illegal assault. We start going down that road, then we might just as well tear all the laws up into little pieces.

You scare me. People who see everything in black-and-white, absolutist terms make me nervous.

You realize by your definition, stating that they are comparable because they are violations of the law, that you are suggesting that a person who commits a burglary should be given the same punishment as a rapist? Fascinating.

That's why the lawbooks have varying levels of punishment depending on the criminal act. Because they are, in the eyes of the law, recognized as being different.

And it wouldn't be one assault vs. another assault. Keeping with my original premise, it's me beating him into the pavement for killing my niece. Assault vs. Murder. He'd survive, may not like his life afterwards, but he'd still have one. Can't say the same for my niece though.

You scare me. People who see everything in black-and-white, absolutist terms make me nervous.

I hardly see everything in black and white. However here, the law and my opinion IS black and white. Vigilante justice is WRONG. You do it you should be arrested. Period. I hope you ARE nervous if you think this behavior is proper.

You realize by your definition, stating that they are comparable because they are violations of the law, that you are suggesting that a person who commits a burglary should be given the same punishment as a rapist? Fascinating.

I realize nothing of the sort and never even remotely said nor implied this in any way. I think the murderer should go to jail for murder and for however long that penalty is, and you should go to jail for assult or if you kill him, murder for however long the law says you should go to jail for for committing your particular crime.

I hope the other inmates get extended sentences for assault.

wrong + wrong =/= right

I say, kill the bastards! Each and every last one! Child molesters and their ilk don't deserve to live!

And to the idealists out there that believe that it would be wrong to fight fire with fire, please visit the website listed below, and see what happens to a country when criminals are treated with dignity and respect.

http://www.crimexposouthafrica.org/

Granted this is only your 16th post but if your going to make radical statements then attempt to back it up with a post from some "news" website that is obviously built around a single agenda, it actually has to support your point in some way. Could you show me any article in this specifically that makes your point that child molesters deserve the death penalty in comparison to simply jailing them? We have lists of crimes that people commit in the US as well. This shows what point exactly? Could you please explain ANY of your points? This just strikes me as a way for you to advertise your favorite rag and not actually say anything.

That is fantastic. I just broke up with my gf of 19months and that still managed to make me giggle with happiness. Excellent.

Granted this is only your 16th post but if your going to make radical statements then attempt to back it up with a post from some "news" website that is obviously built around a single agenda, it actually has to support your point in some way. Could you show me any article in this specifically that makes your point that child molesters deserve the death penalty in comparison to simply jailing them? Could you please explain ANY of your points? This just strikes me as a way for you to advertise your favorite rag and not actually say anything.


Granted, you most likely have no idea where South Africa is located on a world map, much less understand the depths that our current government has pulled us down into. You clearly have never had to live in a country, where crime has spiralled out of control because the criminal has been granted just as much, if not more rights than the average citizen.

Unfortunately, I cannot provide any decent stats because our corrupt, tinpot government is keeping the actual statistics under wraps. It is estimated though, that there are over a million rape cases per year, and many of them are children.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita


In terms of the murder rate, hey lucky us!!! We're only #2 in the world!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Before the abolition of the death penalty, the murder rate was perhaps 1% of what it is now... Can't back it up with facts though... I can just remember a time when, if someone was murdered, it made frontpage news. Now, it's so common, it's not even reported anymore.

But, if you want cold hard facts, then visit the following site on a daily basis and gain some slight insight into the sinkhole that South Africa has become:

www.news24.co.za

I say, kill the bastards and eliminate the problem altogether.

Even though I believe that brutal rape and murder should be capital offences, and delt with accordingly by the state, it sickens me to hear of this sort of 'prison justice' taking place.

This isn't justice, just a testiment to the inhumanity of these 'inmates'.

This sort of thing should not be happening in our prisons, especially without the authorities having any knowlege of the deed.

"many who live deserve death, and many who die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Be not so hasty to deal out death and judgment." JRR Tolkien

If the common law of the state wont meet out such a punishment, then these inmates, nor anyone else for that matter, has a right to take justice into their own hands.

Granted, you most likely have no idea where South Africa is located on a world map, much less understand the depths that our current government has pulled us down into. You clearly have never had to live in a country, where crime has spiralled out of control because the criminal has been granted just as much, if not more rights than the average citizen.



Sigh. This is the second time THIS page that people have told me with no opposing evidence whatsoever as to what i know and dont know. I hate to tell you this but in the US, criminals have EXACTLY as many rights as anyone else. Yet we havnt devolved into chaos by most accounts. So maybe you need to reconsider what you consider to be the core of South Africas crime problem. Maybe its corrupt politicians? Or bad education? Or poverty? Or Aids? Or cultural disregard for authority? Im guessing that of the huge morass of problems that South Africa has, giving criminals equal rights of everyone else has, HAS to rank as least among the problems.

In fact DESPITE the fact that we give criminals the same rights as everyone else, the Us STILL manages to lock up more people per capita than any modern nation on the planet. ( Take THAT China!) So giving people thier rights doesnt mean it prevents them from going to jail when they do wrong.