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Seriously, we NEED to start up some protests to tell the government to fuck off with this totalitarian bullshit. Bush deciding anyone can be an "unlawful enemy combatant", Habeus Corpus rights being taken away, torture being induced, now "temporary detaination shelters" for "illegal immigrants". We need to stop this before it advances any further. If we don't take any action we might as well have started the oppression ourselves.

Who's with me?

A protest? what will that do that hasnt been done before.

"Governments Should be afraid of their people". It will take more than some catchy chants and creative signs to scare the government back to servitude. You want to scare them? Do something scary.

I would be, if I could get to wherever you'd be...

alas, transit to any neutral location would be too expensive, thanks to Shrub. :upyours: (Not to you, BTW. To the $3 gas prices)

A protest? what will that do that hasnt been done before.

"Governments Should be afraid of their people". It will take more than some catchy chants and creative signs to scare the government back to servitude. You want to scare them? Do something scary.

I don't want to do anything violent unless I absolutely have to. And besides, I don't have the money to get enough explosives to blow up the Statue of Liberty.

I don't think there are enough people who care to get any serious protest going.

I don't think there are enough people who care to get any serious protest going.

I'm sure if I bring it up with my local Junior Statesmen of America chapter we can get something going... Teenagers are SO volatile when it comes to "oppression" and "dictators".

I don't have the money to get enough explosives to blow up the Statue of Liberty.

So that's your true agenda, is it? To blow up the symbol of American freedom, liberty, justice, and power in one fell swoop? To desecrate our sacred monument to the greatness of our country? I'm sure certain terrorists would be elated upon hearing news of your actions.

So that's your true agenda, is it? To blow up the symbol of American freedom, liberty, justice, and power in one fell swoop? To desecrate our sacred monument to the greatness of our country? I'm sure certain terrorists would be elated upon hearing news of your actions.

Whoa whoa whoa. I never said that I would. I said that I would only resort to violent means IF I HAD TO, which I seriously plan I won't have to. And in case you haven't noticed, the Statue of Liberty has recently become quite the symbol of "Justice" and "Power" more than "Freedom" or "Liberty".

We need to start something more effective than mere "protests."

Whoa whoa whoa. I never said that I would. I said that I would only resort to violent means IF I HAD TO, which I seriously plan I won't have to.

You sounded regretful that you possessed insufficient funds to execute such an attack. It seemed as if the major impediment was lack of funds as much as lack of will. Nonetheless, I can't begin to comprehend why someone would even consider committing so vile and despicable an act as destroying one of the awe-inspiring symbols of America.

You sounded regretful that you possessed insufficient funds to execute such an attack. It seemed as if the major impediment was lack of funds as much as lack of will. Nonetheless, I can't begin to comprehend why someone would even consider committing so vile and despicable an act as destroying one of the awe-inspiring symbols of America.

Awe-Inspiring? Surely you mean Fear-Inspiring?

We need to start something more effective than mere "protests."

Hey man, no violence. If they start cracking down on protests, using some shit excuses like "promotion of terrorism", THEN we can start doing some more "drastic" things.

How would your government find out about it, considering that the President and other officials are kept away from your designated "free speech" zones?

How would your government find out about it, considering that they are always kept away from your designated "free speech" zones?

Wait, you're saying that the government WOULDN'T know about a major protest in say, San Fransico?

Awe-Inspiring? Surely you mean Fear-Inspiring?

Only someone who was truly paranoid would be struck with fear upon looking at the Statue of Liberty.

I doubt anyone could gather up enough popular support or protest to really change anything, the guys in the white house know what their doing, their changing the gov't one little step at a time, making it just a bit more authoritarian. The masses can react violently if a sudden drastic change is enacted, but a slight, subtle little alteration will go undetected

"oh, well I mean hes only monitoring calls coming from OUTSIDE the US, no big deal."


"I mean, its just a detention center for suspected terrorists, its not like a concentration camp"

repeat that about 2 dozen times and you get a police state, with minimal resistance.

So that's your true agenda, is it? To blow up the symbol of American freedom, liberty, justice, and power in one fell swoop? To desecrate our sacred monument to the greatness of our country? I'm sure certain terrorists would be elated upon hearing news of your actions.

As would the FBI.

Only someone who was truly paranoid would be struck with fear upon looking at the Statue of Liberty.

Funny, I would have said the same thing of someone taking a random internet post so seriously. Do you really think people would just so casually mention their plans to attack the statue here on NSG?

Awe-Inspiring? Surely you mean Fear-Inspiring?

Perhaps he's never seen V for Vendetta? That when you have an oppressive regime you blow up a symbol of its power. Still we are far from that point. Hence I would go to that protest assuming one got going. And assuming I had funds to go to wherever it was taking place.

Which of course I don't. I'm unfortunately poor. :(

I find it ironic that Bush's policies have been passed supposedly for fighting terrorism, and to protest it, many of you are contemplating terrorist actions.

I don't want to do anything violent unless I absolutely have to. And besides, I don't have the money to get enough explosives to blow up the Statue of Liberty.

Who said anything about blowing anything up?

take some advice from the french: build barricades, this is super effective and can take only minutes to do, just dump a huge pile of stuff from the back of a 4x4. burn some couches and put them in the middle of the road, stack junk at busy intersections, spread out with an army armed with spraypaint, DO SOMETHING THEY CANT IGNORE. Or, apply a baseball bat liberally to a senators car.

I find it ironic that Bush's policies have been passed supposedly for fighting terrorism, and to protest it, many of you are contemplating terrorist actions.

Well, you must admit the last terrorist attack in America was remarkably effective at deciding the course of America's policies for the following six years.

And, on the subject of irony, isn't it ironic how Bush has been fighting against terrorist who are attacking our freedoms by removing them?

Hey man, no violence.

No, not yet. Civil disobedience is a better place to start.

If they start cracking down on protests, using some shit excuses like "promotion of terrorism", THEN we can start doing some more "drastic" things.

They will merely ignore them.

Only someone who was truly paranoid would be struck with fear upon looking at the Statue of Liberty.

You mean the soon-to-be-renamed Statue of Justice?

Hey, does anyone know the EXACT date Benedict Arnold went to the British? Or perhaps some other date that shows a sign of defiance against American oppression? Not just an act of defiance against America, one against American oppression or power, or something that would have an equally motivational impact as a date to do something on.

If you are serious, you got two routes.

Che-route or Ghandi-route.

I just can't see the Ghandi-route of peaceful non-compliance working in the United States. Too much of the population is either supportive of the adminstration out of fear or ignorance.

The other half is too drugged-up on on reality TV and is completely indifferent to their liberties being taken away.

You gotta go the Che-route.

I'm sure if I bring it up with my local Junior Statesmen of America chapter we can get something going... Teenagers are SO volatile when it comes to "oppression" and "dictators".

You're in JSA? I'm in JSA! Pretty small country...

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Oh, and you're in California too?

This is getting creepy....

If I can, I will join you in your protests. I'd have to ask my parents to drive me though.

You're in JSA? I'm in JSA! Pretty small country...

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Oh, and you're in California too?

This is getting creepy....

If I can, I will join you in your protests. I'd have to ask my parents to drive me though.

Don't tell me you go to Armijio High School as well...

Don't tell me you go to Armijio High School as well...

Nope. I go to Leigh. But it's still somewhere around San Jose.

I think blowing up the statue of liberty would be a fantastic idea, but not for the reasons Nalitiir has voiced. You do it in the same style as V from 'V for Vendetta'. As in "I am blowing up the statue of liberty to acknowledge the holiday she has taken from these parts...she has been replaced by an impostor...so on" But you have to be sure to make your message clear, catchy, and unanimously heard, otherwise you will just be labelled a 'freedom-hater' and used as a justification to limit further freedoms. Also, nobody lives/works in the Statue of liberty (at the right hour), so there would be no death toll (hopefully). Unfortunately you would have a better chance of stabbing Bush yourself than getting even a kg of explosives anywhere near the Statue of Liberty. So, while it is a nice idea, it does not fly...unless you flew a jumbo into it...Nah, it's been done. Hijacking planes is so passe...

I think blowing up the statue of liberty would be a fantastic idea, but not for the reasons Nalitiir has voiced. You do it in the same style as V from 'V for Vendetta'. As in "I am blowing up the statue of liberty to acknowledge the holiday she has taken from these parts...she has been replaced by an impostor...so on" But you have to be sure to make your message clear, catchy, and unanimously heard, otherwise you will just be labelled a 'freedom-hater' and used as a justification to limit further freedoms. Also, nobody lives/works in the Statue of liberty (at the right hour), so there would be no death toll (hopefully). Unfortunately you would have a better chance of stabbing Bush yourself than getting even a kg of explosives anywhere near the Statue of Liberty. So, while it is a nice idea, it does not fly...unless you flew a jumbo into it...Nah, it's been done. Hijacking planes is so passe...

As you said, nobody cares for the Statue any more. That means no one monitors it. It would be painstakingly easy to drive a boat full of explosives to the island one night, load it up, set up a few triggers, then get the hell out of there and blow it to hell. That would be, of course, after you've advertised the event. And isn't what you're planning what I said? Essentially that the Statue would be corrupted?

Nothing says freedom like blowing up the statue of liberty

Nothing says freedom like blowing up the statue of liberty

Read the rest of the thread and watch V for Vendetta.

You will understand then.

Seriously, we NEED to start up some protests to tell the government to fuck off with this totalitarian bullshit. Bush deciding anyone can be an "unlawful enemy combatant", Habeus Corpus rights being taken away, torture being induced, now "temporary detaination shelters" for "illegal immigrants". We need to stop this before it advances any further. If we don't take any action we might as well have started the oppression ourselves.

Who's with me?

Not me. A majority of Americans voters voted for Bush. If Democrats really saw a real chance to take back the House and Senate, none of them would have voted for this measure.

10 did.

Which means that their constituency must favor this sort of thing. Which means that you're outnumbered by people who favor doing this.

Just because it's democracy doesn't mean that people vote the way you believe they should.

If this starts the roundup of sympathizers who contribute money to foreign terrorist organizations, I'm all for it.

Read the rest of the thread and watch V for Vendetta.

You will understand then.

They shot that guy in the face, then blew up parliment.

How did the building going byebye do anything?

They shot that guy in the face, then blew up parliment.

How did the building going byebye do anything?

Which building? Parliament or the Statue? Blowing up Parliament there would be equivalent to blowing up Capital Hill here. Blowing up that Statue would be like blowing up the Statue of Liberty here. The first essentially stops government, the second sends great fear throughout government.

Not me. A majority of Americans voters voted for Bush. If Democrats really saw a real chance to take back the House and Senate, none of them would have voted for this measure.

10 did.

Which means that their constituency must favor this sort of thing. Which means that you're outnumbered by people who favor doing this.

Just because it's democracy doesn't mean that people vote the way you believe they should.

If this starts the roundup of sympathizers who contribute money to foreign terrorist organizations, I'm all for it.

Hey, guess what. Senate passed the bills. Not the people. I think you're getting your voters confused.

Which building? Parliament or the Statue? Blowing up Parliament there would be equivalent to blowing up Capital Hill here. Blowing up that Statue would be like blowing up the Statue of Liberty here. The first essentially stops government, the second sends great fear throughout government.

Or they bite your ass off and fry you alive. :p

Seriously, we NEED to start up some protests to tell the government to fuck off with this totalitarian bullshit. Bush deciding anyone can be an "unlawful enemy combatant", Habeus Corpus rights being taken away, torture being induced, now "temporary detaination shelters" for "illegal immigrants". We need to stop this before it advances any further. If we don't take any action we might as well have started the oppression ourselves.

Who's with me?

i think we should protest the liberal politicians that get in the way of the 'totalitarian bullshit' because without them, this war on terror would already be much further along. more bombs, more deaths, but less time and a lot less of a pain in the ass.

Which building? Parliament or the Statue? Blowing up Parliament there would be equivalent to blowing up Capital Hill here. Blowing up that Statue would be like blowing up the Statue of Liberty here. The first essentially stops government, the second sends great fear throughout government.

Actually the statue was on top of the old bailey which symbolises law and order.

i think we should protest the liberal politicians that get in the way of the 'totalitarian bullshit' because without them, this war on terror would already be much further along. more bombs, more deaths, but less time and a lot less of a pain in the ass.

Ugh.... Noobs....

Prepare to be eaten alive, my friend.

Actually the statue was on top of the old bailey which symbolises law and order.

True, but the statue still symbolized a lot, mostly the government. Same with our statue.

I protest no trans fat ban !

Ugh.... Noobs....

Prepare to be eaten alive, my friend.

hahaha are you seriously that ignorant? oh right, this nation is young so i MUST be a n00b. i guess there is no way i started a nation here four years ago, right?

my bad.

in school we had to do this thing about oligarchies...this discussion made me think of it. our country was truly amazing...a german/russian nazi communist thing...we were called Tzacharokofsi.
i was the self-appointed dictator, and i was addressed as Comrade Igor. then there were the other parts of government, and some of the people we introduced to the class...my bodyguards, demetri and boris, the head of walmart, the symbol (big brother), and i think we also had a peasant.

then we had a national anthem. it was in several different languages, to the tune of the Mar-say-ez.

In vino veritas esta
De colores,
Mein Kamf!
Du haribo macht kinder froh:
parle vou france
ciao bella.

I'm getting the creepy feeling that the FBI and/or NSA and/or DHS is monitoring this thread, what with all the talk of blowing up the Statue of Liberty. Don't they have some kind of program that detects key words and phrases like that?

Anyway, expect to be deemed an "enemy combatant" and whisked off to Syria within the hour...

i remember the good old days when i'd protest at abortion clinics and get cussed at. i felt bad laughing, but it was really funny. this one guy was like, "You don't know me! Get the fuck off the curb!" and I started laughing.

there are always a lot of crazy christians there preaching in baptist-talk. they make me laugh too...but in a fond way.

I want want fries cooked in trans fats !!! I protest strongly !!

hahaha are you seriously that ignorant? oh right, this nation is young so i MUST be a n00b. i guess there is no way i started a nation here four years ago, right?

my bad.

No, I assume you're a noob because you are blatantly attacking liberals with no arguement besides "Well if it wasn't for them terrorism would be gone.".

And who are you, exactly?

I protest no trans fat ban !

Wrong topic, my friend. We're protesting totalaranism.

i'm still surprised that this is a serious discussion for most people. like, i love to protest. i always fight with my teachers. they have no sense of humor.

you guys are protesting totalitarianism? what? now i'm confused! i thought communist dictatorships were considered a good idea. I mean, it always sounded so nice...everyone shares, nobody is rich, nobody gets to own their own businesses...employed by the state...sounds like utopia to me!

p. s. it is a known fact that trans fats are the leading cause of totalitarianism. it's turning saddam white.

I'm getting the creepy feeling that the FBI and/or NSA and/or DHS is monitoring this thread, what with all the talk of blowing up the Statue of Liberty. Don't they have some kind of program that detects key words and phrases like that?

Anyway, expect to be deemed an "enemy combatant" and whisked off to Syria within the hour...

Ahh Syria. We don't need to torture, they do it for us!

Of course, that was a few years ago.

Now we get to do it ourselves.

And screw the FBI/NSA/DHS. They come here, say I can't say that, which is violating my constitutional rights, I'll blow them to hell with my .22 Rimfire.

.22 Rimfire? Fuck that. I'm getting my 12 gauge.

you guys are protesting totalitarianism? what? now i'm confused! i thought communist dictatorships were considered a good idea. I mean, it always sounded so nice...everyone shares, nobody is rich, nobody gets to own their own businesses...employed by the state...sounds like utopia to me!

p. s. it is a known fact that trans fats are the leading cause of totalitarianism. it's turning saddam white.

ARGH! How many noobs does it take to threadjack my topic?!?!

Ahh Syria. We don't need to torture, they do it for us!

Of course, that was a few years ago.

Now we get to do it ourselves.

And screw the FBI/NSA/DHS. They come here, say I can't say that, which is violating my constitutional rights, I'll blow them to hell with my .22 Rimfire.

.22 Rimfire? Fuck that. I'm getting my 12 gauge.

You cant blow anything "to hell" with a .22, I dont even think you could kill a cat on the first shot with it, even less break through kevlar.

ARGH! How many noobs does it take to threadjack my topic?!?!

you moron, it's n00bs. fucking idiot.

Wrong topic, my friend. We're protesting totalitarianism.




SINCE WHEN is the GOVERNMENT telling you what you can and can not eat , without letting the FREE market decide ..NOT to mention the FREE people of the states ......NOT TOTALITARIANISM



I protest ! My rights to free speach have been abused yet again !

It a mindset...first they force your french fries into submission and then its you in the deep fry !


Dont you see...:eek:

You cant blow anything "to hell" with a .22, I dont even think you could kill a cat on the first shot with it, even less break through kevlar.

Yeah, you can kill a cat with a .22.

why are you guys so proud that you know the names of like, two guns?

Haha, you stupid idiot. you can't kill anything with a .22! This one time when i was with my cousin we like, shot this squirrel!

if you're trying to be rednecks, you have failed terribly. Rednecks love George Bush.

Wrong topic, my friend. We're protesting totalaranism.

Here's a question.

If the "totalitarianism" is brought about not by a dictator with sole power, but by a democratically elected government, how can you "protest" against it?

What if it is truly a "tyranny of the majority"? Eh?

why are you guys so proud that you know the names of like, two guns?

Haha, you stupid idiot. you can't kill anything with a .22! This one time when i was with my cousin we like, shot this squirrel!

if you're trying to be rednecks, you have failed terribly. Rednecks love George Bush.

At least I've contributed something to this thread. Thats certainly more than you've done.

Here's a question.

If the "totalitarianism" is brought about not by a dictator with sole power, but by a democratically elected government, how can you "protest" against it?

What if it is truly a "tyranny of the majority"? Eh?

that wasn't even the point. the point is that trans fat does have to do with totalitarianism...for example, who here has read 1984?

At least I've contributed something to this thread. Thats certainly more than you've done.

what are you talking about? I even showed you guys my song, and that's more than what i do for most people!

anyway, just because you don't understand satire doesn't make me stupid.

Here's a question.

If the "totalitarianism" is brought about not by a dictator with sole power, but by a democratically elected government, how can you "protest" against it?

What if it is truly a "tyranny of the majority"? Eh?

Easy, most dictators take over through democratic measures, its just that the democratic measures are complete and total bullshit. If there were reason to believe that election tampering was occuring from a solid source in this country it'd be more cause for revolution than almost anything else. Secondly, if a majority rule is achieved through brainwashing and dishonesty, how are you supposed to respect it?

why are you guys so proud that you know the names of like, two guns?

Haha, you stupid idiot. you can't kill anything with a .22! This one time when i was with my cousin we like, shot this squirrel!

if you're trying to be rednecks, you have failed terribly. Rednecks love George Bush.

M16

AK-47

M4A1

Galili

Type 39

M1 Garand

M1 Carbine

Thompson

MP40

Mosin Nagant

Winchester Repeating

Colt .45

Colt .44

Desert Eagle

.22 Revolver

.22 Rifle

12 Gauge

And that's just on the top of my head.

M16

AK-47

M4A1

Galili

Type 39

M1 Garand

M1 Carbine

Thompson

MP40

Mosin Nagant

Winchester Repeating

Colt .45

Colt .44

Desert Eagle

.22 Revolver

.22 Rifle

12 Gauge

And that's just on the top of my head.

Well, I'm sorry for having insulted you. That comment was for all the other silly people out there acting like they know about guns. I personally don't know about guns, but my sister has an airsoft gun, and she's applying to the the NRA, so i think that counts for something.

M16

AK-47

M4A1

Galili

Type 39

M1 Garand

M1 Carbine

Thompson

MP40

Mosin Nagant

Winchester Repeating

Colt .45

Colt .44

Desert Eagle

.22 Revolver

.22 Rifle

12 Gauge

And that's just on the top of my head.

Alot of those arent actual guns, they're just categories thereof. Incidentally, dont feed the troll ;)

Here's a question.

If the "totalitarianism" is brought about not by a dictator with sole power, but by a democratically elected government, how can you "protest" against it?

What if it is truly a "tyranny of the majority"? Eh?

Because you forget that this is not a direct democracy. We don't make the laws. The senators and representatives (whose true agendas we have no idea of) are the ones who make the laws.

Because you forget that this is not a direct democracy. We don't make the laws. The senators and representatives (whose true agendas we have no idea of) are the ones who make the laws.

Gee, then it's kind of strange that 10 Democratic Senators would vote FOR the measure you're upset about. Are you sure this is a totalitarian regime?

i might add i know a bit about music. that probably counts for something in this circle of liberals. i also know eine kleine nacthtmusik was secretly written by a lady.

Alot of those arent actual guns, they're just categories thereof. Incidentally, dont feed the troll ;)

Meh.

Also, it's not feeding if I reply to a post which there was no trolling, even if was trolling in the post directly above him.

Gee, then it's kind of strange that 10 Democratic Senators would vote FOR the measure you're upset about. Are you sure this is a totalitarian regime?

What? I didn't just say Republican senators and representatives. I said all senators and representatives are the ones who make the laws and whose true agendas we know nothing about.

Bill of rights trumps tyrany of the majority and the second ammedment enforces it .

Alot of those arent actual guns, they're just categories thereof. Incidentally, dont feed the troll ;)

i'm confused by that. why am i considered a troll? Is it because I'm biracial? Or are you judging me based on my beliefs? you should learn to accept that people are not always going to agree with you, and in such cases they will make nasty retorts, you weird mutant alien.

Gee, then it's kind of strange that 10 Democratic Senators would vote FOR the measure you're upset about. Are you sure this is a totalitarian regime?

Care to answer my rebuttal?

i might add i know a bit about music. that probably counts for something in this circle of liberals. i also know eine kleine nacthtmusik was secretly written by a lady.

Listen. Not all liberals are hippie, music loving, pot smoking, peace loving, freedom loving, etc. etc. people. Stop generalizing.

What? I didn't just say Republican senators and representatives. I said all senators and representatives are the ones who make the laws and whose true agendas we know nothing about.

No, but you do fear totalitarianism. Which implies one power - very likely one man and one party.

We're not even close there.

you guys, let's get off this grim topic...who here likes pizza lunchables?

u usualy never see any huge demonstrations that take over the streets like france had about the youth work right thingy

i mean protest friendly go out on the streets......... that isent so hard

that wasn't even the point. the point is that trans fat does have to do with totalitarianism...for example, who here has read 1984?

I, MINARIS, HEREBY OFFICIALLY CLAIM THAT:

1) I have read 1984, front to back.
and
2) I understand its contents, symbolism, warnings, and morals.

u usualy never see any huge demonstrations that take over the streets like france had about the youth work right thingy

i mean protest friendly go out on the streets......... that isent so hard

"...kids as young as five could work as they pleased, textile factories, coal mines, and oil mills, too! Yippee!"

i'm confused by that. why am i considered a troll? Is it because I'm biracial? Or are you judging me based on my beliefs? you should learn to accept that people are not always going to agree with you, and in such cases they will make nasty retorts, you weird mutant alien.

Calling people names such as "Fucking Idiot" and "Weird Mutant Alien" is considered trolling.

I, MINARIS, HEREBY OFFICIALLY CLAIM THAT:

1) I have read 1984, front to back.
and
2) I understand its contents, symbolism, warnings, and morals.

that's good, because i didn't. I didn't read it, I mean. I got really scared when I saw the cover because there's a big blue eye and it made me think of my gerbil that died.

"...kids as young as five could work as they pleased, textile factories, coal mines, and oil mills, too! Yippee!"

what?

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