NationStates Jolt Archive

Mine is Cliff Burton of Metallica. Anesthesia is simply astounding.

Flea, from the Red Hot Chilli Peppers

He happens to be engaged and have a child with the PE teacher at my schools neice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea_%28musician%29#Personal

Their childs name is Sunny Bebop Balzary... what a name.

Billy Sheehan

From the list my favourite musician is McCartney, followed by Roger Waters.
My favourite bassist in terms of style is Flea.

The best bassist is likely to be thunder-fingers himself. John Entwhistle.

Mine is Cliff Burton of Metallica. Anesthesia is simply astounding.

Fiend! You forgot Gene Simmonds!

Fiend! You forgot Gene Simmonds!

KISS has never been about musicianship, but rather showmanship. Gene is a consumate showman, but so is Barry Manilow.
On the list, John Entwhistle. without a doubt.
Not on the list, Doug Wimbish,the (2nd) bassist for Living Colour (the band, not the show).

Mick Karn - amazing fretless player

Mingus.

Jesus...Who else would it be?

Geddy Lee, Steve Harris (Iron Maiden)... Billy Sheehan, Entwhistle...

Jerry Only

Jay Bentley

Something is wrong with you all. You forget that the best damn players there ever were played jazz! Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius! If you can, go to www.windowsmedia.com and search victor wooten's song "me and my bass guitar," it starts off easy with a simple 16th note slap progression, but then he throws it into double time.

Here's the link to "Me and My Bass Guitar." Listen to the whole thing.

http://search.windowsmedia.com/search/mgsearch.aspx?srch=me+and+my+bass+guitar&WMPFriendly=false&culture=en-us&version=

Something is wrong with you all. You forget that the best damn players there ever were played jazz! Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius! If you can, go to www.windowsmedia.com and search victor wooten's song "me and my bass guitar," it starts off easy with a simple 16th note slap progression, but then he throws it into double time.

I'm pretty sure we're talking about how good the music is, not how hard it is to play.

Actually, this one starts off with a double-thumb double-pluck flight of the bumblebee, norwegian wood, and then ends with vic doing the actual me and my bass guitar stuff

I'm pretty sure we're talking about how good the music is, not how hard it is to play.

Yeah, here's the thing though, good music nowaday is mostly performance: even the good guys like sheehan still rely on a lot of stage time for publicity because music can just be ripped off.

What im getting at is actual talent not just someone screwing around on stage. Good or not, that's perspective and level of playing. But if you want to see something crazy check this out

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4118388908365727976&q=victor+wooten


it's worth it.

Something is wrong with you all. You forget that the best damn players there ever were played jazz! Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius! If you can, go to www.windowsmedia.com and search victor wooten's song "me and my bass guitar," it starts off easy with a simple 16th note slap progression, but then he throws it into double time.

Hey, I said Mingus.

Don't like Wooten at all (and I like Marcus Miller even less) but Jaco is real good. Michael Henderson is probably my second favorite next to Migus.

dont tell me that any of the guys on that list can play that. a couple can do some virtuoso playing, but the style is where people will differ in opinion.

What im getting at is actual talent not just someone screwing around on stage. Good or not, that's perspective and level of playing. But if you want to see something crazy check this out

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4118388908365727976&q=victor+wooten


it's worth it.

How boring.

i saw you said mingus, but i don't like marcus miller either: victor puts a thousand useless notes in a measure sometimes, but miller puts more notes than are even in the measure and it isn't musical. Pastorius is my favorite, im note going to tote wooten too much

How boring.

Well, what do you suggest?

The thing i like most about some of these black bass players is expression: i hate the ones that play with rappers though. that isn't music.

Well, what do you suggest?

Music that doesn't put people to sleep. If they happen to have solid bass lines, well, good.

Some guys do have some nifty little bass tricks, but a lot of those guys just create riffs and juggle them around and that is boring, but it still looks technically impressive and sounds good when you have a talent like wooten or pastorius.

i saw you said mingus, but i don't like marcus miller either: victor puts a thousand useless notes in a measure sometimes, but miller puts more notes than are even in the measure and it isn't musical. Pastorius is my favorite, im note going to tote wooten too much

I just don't like either of their styles...It's too fast and flashy too me. I don't think they really utilize their instument as well as they could.

Forgot Dave Holland too...He's another favorite.

Say, are you a player?

Music that doesn't put people to sleep. If they happen to have solid bass lines, well, good.


I dont know, sometimes bass lines are more boring than anything. that's what is great about jaco: he could accompany and be interesting without being distracting.

Music that doesn't put people to sleep. If they happen to have solid bass lines, well, good.

I just don't like either of their styles...It's too fast and flashy too me. I don't think they really utilize their instument as well as they could.

Forgot Dave Holland too...He's another favorite.

Say, are you a player?

Yes, I'm a player.

I dont know, sometimes bass lines are more boring than anything. that's what is great about jaco: he could accompany and be interesting without being distracting.

Yeah... whoever Jaco is...

Yes, I'm a player.

Bass? Or perhaps something else?

I'm a piano and keyboard player myself.

Namely i play jazz, but i play with two jazz bands, one concert band, one orchestra, a death metal band, coffee shop solo stuff with hand percussion, and pretty much whatever style you want. oh, two church bands, too

Yeah... whoever Jaco is...

you dont know who jaco pastorius is?

Jason Newstead - Metallica

Yeah... whoever Jaco is...

No, you know what, go to some random place where you can listen to music for free over the internet and search "teen town" or "donna lee" or just jaco pastorius but listen to the guy who invented how bass is played today.

you dont know who jaco pastorius is?

:eek:
Shocking, isn't it, that a punk guitarist has no-freaking-clue who some obscure bassist is.

Namely i play jazz, but i play with two jazz bands, one concert band, one orchestra, a death metal band, coffee shop solo stuff with hand percussion, and pretty much whatever style you want. oh, two church bands, too

Impressive. I'm in a pair of big bands, a Free Jazz group, a Bop group, and I drift in and out of a few other bands.

Where are you located?

:eek:
Shocking, isn't it, that a punk guitarist has no-freaking-clue who some obscure bassist is.

Pastorius was a juggernaut in the Jazz world, but I don't blame you for not knowing who he is; I don't know many (If any) punk guitarists or bassists myself.

here's the thing, i try not to get biased with a style, but its obvious i favor jazz a bit. But it's best to exercise your playing styles with styles you dont like or arent familiar with. then you will build up an ear for intervals of pitch and rhythmic style. I have a cd player play something and i try to fit the style and progression to learn. better yet, find local musicians and just play with a lot of different people. The fundamentals to learn with are classical, rock/jazz, and metal.

Those four cover a spectrum of intervals and branch off in directions. for instance, jazz/ rock are together because they can both be approached with lines or progressions, either can lead to different other styles too.

Impressive. I'm in a pair of big bands, a Free Jazz group, a Bop group, and I drift in and out of a few other bands.

Where are you located?

sorry, but i dont give that stuff out. i will say i teach lessons aqui en Tejas, but that's about all i'll say. But what do you play again?

All you guys who named the bassist(s) for Metallica can suck my balls.

Metallica have written some of the most boring, sleep-inducing "music" in the history of Rock 'n' Roll. I don't give a fuck if it takes skill to play, either. Coldplay's music takes skill, and it's utterly boring, so that throws the whole "skill is everything" argument right out the window.

You want a true musician who plays some of the most well-crafted basslines you're likely to hear? Geddy Lee's your man. He does simple, complex, downright unthinkable (YYZ)... He has range, something many bassists don't seem to have. I'd also like to mention that he plays keyboards, guitars, synthesizers, and other instruments along with his trusty basses. Oh, and he also sings while he plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUW-VijBbpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZru4JG_Uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iONLKn5VHY4

Shove that up your pipe and smoke it.

Pastorius was a juggernaut in the Jazz world, but I don't blame you for not knowing who he is; I don't know many (If any) punk guitarists or bassists myself.

Here's this: there are no "punk bassists." There are "punks" that HAVE "basses" but as if there is any belief that they can play them.

All you guys who named the bassist(s) for Metallica can suck my balls.

Metallica have written some of the most boring, sleep-inducing "music" in the history of Rock 'n' Roll. I don't give a fuck if it takes skill to play, either. Coldplay's music takes skill, and it's utterly boring, so that throws the whole "skill is everything" argument right out the window.

You want a true musician who plays some of the most well-crafted basslines you're likely to hear? Geddy Lee's your man. He does simple, complex, downright unthinkable (YYZ)... He has range, something many bassists don't seem to have. I'd also like to mention that he plays keyboards, guitars, synthesizers, and other instruments along with his trusty basses. Oh, and he also sings while he plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUW-VijBbpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZru4JG_Uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iONLKn5VHY4

Shove that up your pipe and smoke it.


Range? oh bite me. Sure he's good, but one and the same, pastorius is the guy. I dunno, its subject to opinion either way and most bassists do get cramped with having a definitive sound.

sorry, but i dont give that stuff out. i will say i teach lessons aqui en Tejas, but that's about all i'll say. But what do you play again?

Piano and keyboards. And organ, if need be.

Here's this: there are no "punk bassists." There are "punks" that HAVE "basses" but as if there is any belief that they can play them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK0u4Q44NmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qCdM5mW6zE

Funny man, you are.

Range? oh bite me. Sure he's good, but one and the same, pastorius is the guy. I dunno, its subject to opinion either way and most bassists do get cramped with having a definitive sound.

All of you Jazz nuts are the same... Hahahaha. I'll never tire of it, ever.

yeah, im hearing what you said about the metallica aficionados: theyre just not with the program, and as far as rock goes, yeah geddy is your man. musically too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK0u4Q44NmQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qCdM5mW6zE

Funny man, you are.

All of you Jazz nuts are the same... Hahahaha. I'll never tire of it, ever.

Jazz nut? maybe. I'm not entirely though, i studied music primarily on clarinet, then freelanced my way through the bass. If you ever want to try something crazy though, find some traditional rhythm and vocal african music and try to solo on top. The pitch variation is far from typical.

Metallica have written some of the most boring, sleep-inducing "music" in the history of Rock 'n' Roll. I don't give a fuck if it takes skill to play, either. Coldplay's music takes skill, and it's utterly boring, so that throws the whole "skill is everything" argument right out the window.

That's the point of music. I love Jazz, but I try not to be an elitist dick about it. It doesn't matter if you can play REALLY fucking fast or complicated or not, but how you make the music sound and how passionate you play it.

For example:Thelonious Monk was ridiculed several times during his career becuase he would never play really fast, like some of the more popular piano players of his time, such as Bud Powell. Thelonious Monk was also a legend and master of the piano. So, no it doesn't matter how "Good" you are or how fast you can play, but how you play it.

Piano and keyboards. And organ, if need be.

how long have you played them?

That's the point of music. I love Jazz, but I try not to be an elitist dick about it. It doesn't matter if you can play REALLY fucking fast or complicated or not, but how you make the music sound and how passionate you play it.

For example:Thelonious Monk was ridiculed several times during his career becuase he would never play really fast, like some of the more popular piano players of his time, such as Bud Powell. Thelonious Monk was also a legend and master of the piano. So, no it doesn't matter how "Good" you are or how fast you can play, but how you play it.

damn straight. Whatever argument you damned punk worshipers are trying to propose just isn't going to fly. Just go find a dark corner to wear your little sister's clothes, cut yourself, and cry about life.

The thing i like most about some of these black bass players is expression: i hate the ones that play with rappers though. that isn't music.

Wimbish plays a lot more than just rap (technically, hip hop). Turned down a chance to tour with the Rolling Stones to join Living Colour. Check him out!

how long have you played them?

8 years running so far.

I can play guitar and (bad) bass as well.

Wimbish plays a lot more than just rap (technically, hip hop). Turned down a chance to tour with the Rolling Stones to join Living Colour. Check him out!

sounds nifty.

damn straight. Whatever argument you damned punk worshipers are trying to propose just isn't going to fly. Just go find a dark corner to wear your little sister's clothes, cut yourself, and cry about life.

Man, how do you play that bass when it's stuck so far up your . . .?
Lighten up?

damn straight. Whatever argument you damned punk worshipers are trying to propose just isn't going to fly. Just go find a dark corner to wear your little sister's clothes, cut yourself, and cry about life.

Gah, you missed my point. I really don't like calling people bad musicians just becuase they can't play really fast of "well." There are bound to be plenty of good punk players out there that I've never had the resolve to look up or hear; As long as they are happy with what they do and put thier heart into thier music, then I consider them good musicians.

8 years running so far.

I can play guitar and (bad) bass as well.

What's weird about me is that i notice how people play and i dissect it and try to improve my playing through theirs. Steve bailey's three-finger, billy sheehan's left hand tech and neck bending (sounds weird with jazz), wooten's thumb, my own education in music. All combined make a good study.

Man, how do you play that bass when it's stuck so far up your . . .?
Lighten up?

you missed it. im just sarcastic. that doesnt translate well over written words

Gah, you missed my point. I really don't like calling people bad musicians just becuase they can't play really fast of "well." There are bound to be plenty of good punk players out there that I've never had the resolve to look up or hear; As long as they are happy with what they do and put thier heart into thier music, then I consider them good musicians.

no, ive got a couple friends who do, but its hard to respect them when they generally just play from fix to fix.

What's weird about me is that i notice how people play and i dissect it and try to improve my playing through theirs. Steve bailey's three-finger, billy sheehan's left hand tech and neck bending (sounds weird with jazz), wooten's thumb, my own education in music. All combined make a good study.

im not trying to be a dick, just to clarify, i probably already am one. but what im saying is just vary styles and watch what the good people do. it helps.

Any last insults/slanders/questions/inquiries/arguments at me? i think im getting off now...

well, im off then.

The Ox is dead, they say
Long live the Ox!

Mine is Cliff Burton of Metallica. Anesthesia is simply astounding.

Burton is my favorite as well, though Claypool, Waters, and Flea all come close.

Lemmy Kilmister.

Makes 4 strings sound like 6 during solos. Makes albums, tours with Joe Satriani and Steve Vai.

For your listening pleasure:
http://fios.stuarthamm.net:8080/

Be sure to check out the "Paris solo"! :)

Brian Ritchie :cool:

Charles Mingus

Of those on the list, it's got to be Paul.:D

Charles Mingus

*Thumbs up*

damn straight. Whatever argument you damned punk worshipers are trying to propose just isn't going to fly. Just go find a dark corner to wear your little sister's clothes, cut yourself, and cry about life.

Ugh. You agree with him on his statement about how music is good because of how it's played, and then you go and contradict yourself like that. Go ahead and tell me that John Lydon, Steve Jones, Jello Biafra, Henry Rollins, and Stiv Baitors weren't passionate about what they did. I need a laugh.

cliff burton. I love metallica. Its a shame he died... :(

Johnette Napolitano of Concrete Blonde

Mingus for teh win.

I'll go with Mingus, though for the rock category my favorite is Chris Squire.

I'll go with Mingus, though for the rock category my favorite is Chris Squire.

This is one of the things I lurve about NSG - the somewhat surprising musical savvy of the posters, just as how John Mclaughlin never gets on initial 'best guitarist' polls, but always seems to come out ahead, Mingus similarly comes out of nowhere and routs the pack.

This is one of the things I lurve about NSG - the somewhat surprising musical savvy of the posters, just as how John Mclaughlin never gets on initial 'best guitarist' polls, but always seems to come out ahead, Mingus similarly comes out of nowhere and routs the pack.

And every single member of Rush gets the cold shoulder from all but three posters. Yippie!

This is one of the things I lurve about NSG - the somewhat surprising musical savvy of the posters, just as how John Mclaughlin never gets on initial 'best guitarist' polls, but always seems to come out ahead, Mingus similarly comes out of nowhere and routs the pack.

We're a well read bunch, in more than one discipline. It's one of the few places I post where I know I can toss in a line or two from Eliot or Cummings and someone will recognize it most of the time.

Wow, a music poll on NS that doesnt suck!

These are actually good solid choices for best Rock bassist.

Out of these guys, its really a choice between John Entwhistle, and McCartney.

Everyone on the poll is great, but those two are a notch above the rest.

Between the two, I would have to give a slight nod to Entwhistle.

However, my personal favorite is Geezer Butler.
(His two favorite....Entwhistle and McCartney)

and anyone who doesnt acknowledge James Jamerson is now, and forever will be a wanker.

And every single member of Rush gets the cold shoulder from all but three posters. Yippie!

Thats becuase Rush are what I like to call "Supremely talented wankers".

They can play better than most, sure....but thier music is pretentious and somehat boring.

Jerry Only

You there!


You get the "Im cooler than anyone else at the moment award".

Woot for you!

Thats becuase Rush are what I like to call "Supremely talented wankers".

They can play better than most, sure....but thier music is pretentious and somehat boring.

No, that's Yes. I actually like Rush because their music isn't pretentious, and I dislike Yes because theirs is. Sure, Yes are very talented... But their music is boring, and they're so full of themselves. On the other hand, Rush have deep, meaningful lyrics (post-1974), and a hell of a passion for the music they make, and they really love their fans.

Say all you want about them being "wankers". It'll just give me another thing to laugh about today.

No, that's Yes. I actually like Rush because their music isn't pretentious, and I dislike Yes because theirs is. Sure, Yes are very talented... But their music is boring, and they're so full of themselves. On the other hand, Rush have deep, meaningful lyrics (post-1974), and a hell of a passion for the music they make, and they really love their fans.

Say all you want about them being "wankers". It'll just give me another thing to laugh about today.


Im not saying they dont have a couple of good albums.
Im not saying they arent great, or even not deserving of any and all praise they recieve.
Im saying thier music is a bit pretentious.
Im saying I find much of it tedious and lacking in the certain something that makes a heavy band really move a person.

Music tastes are so subjective that any band can find a few fans to enjoy thier music, but to me, Rush doesnt do it for me.
However, I will agree with you about Yes.
Theyre even worse.

John Myung, because he appears to play bass with his hair.

I'd say Flea.

Les Claypool with Rob Trujillo running a damn close second!!!

Johnette Napolitano of Concrete BlondeThey broke up again. :(