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I'm wondering if this mythical "Far Left" wing of the democratic party really exist. So far, I've never met some one who was both Far Left and a member of the Democratic Party USA.

I keep hearing these attacks ads on the radio saying, in essence, "Ooooh, hobgoblins!!! Teh liberal leftxors will ban your gunsxor. Leftwingxor Democrats are dirty-commies and they want you childrenxor..."

So, does this "Far Left" of the Democratic party really exist?

Of course, just as there is a far right in the republican party.

I am PRETTY far left. And yes, I would certainly like to take away all the guns. I have reasons for this, which would be too lengthy to go into here, but suffice it to say they are reasoned and reasonable.

I happen to think that communism is a great idea. Sadly, it doesn't work in the large scale (it does on the small scale, as communes the world over have so aptly proven), so I don't VOTE that way.

I don't want anyone's children. Given the recent activities of Mark Foley (R), I am not sure how that gets to be a DEMOCRATIC trait, but I know for certain that I am not interested in it.

I mostly vote Democratic because it tends to be the best compromise between what I would like to see happen and who I think can best accomplish any good.

What exactly would be "far left" just to be clear?

Of course, just as there is a far right in the republican party.

As a person who is a far leftist, I haven't seen anyone who is both a far leftist and a member of the Democratic Party. There are plenty of people to the left of the Democratic party, but is their really a "Left-wing" of the Democratic party.

To me, they all seem like squeemish centrists who won't take a stand on important issues about democracy and inequality in the US.

What exactly would be "far left" just to be clear?

anti-gun, communist/socialist, anti-war, treehugging. You know the usual

As a person who is a far leftist, I haven't seen anyone who is both a far leftist and a member of the Democratic Party. There are plenty of people to the left of the Democratic party, but is their really a "Left-wing" of the Democratic party.

To me, they all seem like squeemish centrists who won't take a stand on important issues about democracy and inequality in the US.

Dennis Kucinich? Cynthia McKinney? Barbara Lee? Rick Conyers?

There are a few. Not "far-leftist," but genuinely left-wing.

anti-gun, communist/socialist, anti-war, treehugging. You know the usual

Well, I'm genuinely a radical leftist.

I don't care for guns, but I don't care if you have them.
I'm a communist/socialist, and proud of it.
Definitely anti-war.
Love to hug trees (they're so cuddly):rolleyes:

anti-gun, communist/socialist, anti-war, treehugging. You know the usual

Hell, anti-gun, anti-war and treehugging are what even moderate Democrats support. I certainly hope those qualities don't qualify as being on the "far left". :rolleyes:

anti-gun, communist/socialist, anti-war, treehugging. You know the usual

There are plenty of pro-gun radical leftists.

There are plenty of pro-gun radical leftists.

SOme of them love guns a lot. :sniper:

As a person who is a far leftist, I haven't seen anyone who is both a far leftist and a member of the Democratic Party. There are plenty of people to the left of the Democratic party, but is their really a "Left-wing" of the Democratic party.

To me, they all seem like squeemish centrists who won't take a stand on important issues about democracy and inequality in the US.

*waving* Helloooo! Over here... I am not a squeemish centrist. I am anti war. Pro environment. Pro gun control. Pro choice. Anti stripping rights from prisoners. Anti torture. I can be, and often am, quite vocal on these and many other issues. I have unpopular views on the whole "support our troops" thing. I scare religious people by asking them "So, what is your stand on homosexual marriage and adoption? I am a big supporter!" I scare others by then saying that the religious people, though their ideas may be wrong, have a right not only to say what they feel, but also to feel it, so long as they don't attempt to violate civil rights by legislating it. I am against Fred Phelp's rantings (on a personal level), and against the legislations attempting to prevent him the right to rant. I am distressed by the current direction immigration reform is taking. I do not now, nor have I ever, owned a car, I rely on public transportation in an effort to reduce my ecological footprint. I support the UN and want the US to stop its efforts to play world policeman. I would never, ever consider joining the armed services, and am an advocate of finding peaceful solutions in myriads of other ways. I think that the US should be forced (by first economic sanctions and lastly the UN Peacekeeping Forces if necessary) to give up our weapons of mass destruction, or face the same invasion and deposing of leadership that Iraq faced, as there is, in the US, MUCH more cause. I thing George W. Bush should be tried for war crimes over our treatment of prisoners.

I also am a registered Democrat.

I suppose they mean people who want to protect the environment, think homosexuals should have the same rights as everyone else, don't like the idea of big business being allowed to do whatever it wants, and want the bill of rights strictly adhered to.

Well, if these views place one on the far-left, then I guess I'm in the far-left of the Democratic party.

I support the UN


Congratulations, you failed the far-left test.

Depending on the circumstances anti-war can work both right and left.

Congratulations, you failed the far-left test.

Exactly. The workers have nothing to lose but the United Nations.

Congratulations, you failed the far-left test.

Well, you win some, you lose some. Guess I will have to be a squeemish centrist.

:rolleyes:

As a person who is a far leftist, I haven't seen anyone who is both a far leftist and a member of the Democratic Party. There are plenty of people to the left of the Democratic party, but is their really a "Left-wing" of the Democratic party.

To me, they all seem like squeemish centrists who won't take a stand on important issues about democracy and inequality in the US.

I'm left wing of the Dems, but don't know if I'd be considered left wing overall. Depends on who you ask, I imagine. New Mitanni no doubt considers me somewhere to the left of Chomsky.

*waving* Helloooo! Over here... I am not a squeemish centrist. I am anti war. Pro environment. Pro gun control. Pro choice. Anti stripping rights from prisoners. Anti torture. I can be, and often am, quite vocal on these and many other issues. I have unpopular views on the whole "support our troops" thing. I scare religious people by asking them "So, what is your stand on homosexual marriage and adoption? I am a big supporter!" I scare others by then saying that the religious people, though their ideas may be wrong, have a right not only to say what they feel, but also to feel it, so long as they don't attempt to violate civil rights by legislating it. I am against Fred Phelp's rantings (on a personal level), and against the legislations attempting to prevent him the right to rant. I am distressed by the current direction immigration reform is taking. I do not now, nor have I ever, owned a car, I rely on public transportation in an effort to reduce my ecological footprint. I support the UN and want the US to stop its efforts to play world policeman. I would never, ever consider joining the armed services, and am an advocate of finding peaceful solutions in myriads of other ways. I think that the US should be forced (by first economic sanctions and lastly the UN Peacekeeping Forces if necessary) to give up our weapons of mass destruction, or face the same invasion and deposing of leadership that Iraq faced, as there is, in the US, MUCH more cause. I thing George W. Bush should be tried for war crimes over our treatment of prisoners.

That's generally a centre-left agenda.

That's generally a centre-left agenda.

You are a perfect example of why these tags are meaningless, no offense.

You are a perfect example of why these tags are meaningless, no offense.
Not offended, but what do you mean?

I'm wondering if this mythical "Far Left" wing of the democratic party really exist. So far, I've never met some one who was both Far Left and a member of the Democratic Party USA.

I haven't met Howard Dean either but he is alive and kicking in the Democratic party. :eek:

Dennis Kucinich? Cynthia McKinney? Barbara Lee? Rick Conyers?

There are a few. Not "far-leftist," but genuinely left-wing.

Al Sharpton...far left.

Al Sharpton...far left.

Al Sharpton is absolutely not far left. He supports capitalism.

Not offended, but what do you mean?

Because you quoted a post that was by no means centrist by any realistic standard and claimed it was centre-left. That's what I meant in an earlier post when I said it all depends on where you're coming from on the political spectrum. Look at Celtlund's post below yours--he's claiming Howard Dean is a far-leftist, when he was supported time and again by groups like the NRA when he was governor of Vermont, when he was a believer in balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility, and all sorts of moderate to conservative positions. Celtlund says he's a leftist, and you'd probably call him one step short of a fascist, based on your post.

I haven't met Howard Dean either but he is alive and kicking in the Democratic party. :eek:

Howard Dean is not "far left."

Honestly, have you people ever met real far leftists? One would think that there are enough on NS to know what they are.

*waving* Helloooo! Over here... I am not a squeemish centrist. I am anti war. Pro environment. Pro gun control. Pro choice. Anti stripping rights from prisoners. Anti torture. I can be, and often am, quite vocal on these and many other issues. I have unpopular views on the whole "support our troops" thing. I scare religious people by asking them "So, what is your stand on homosexual marriage and adoption? I am a big supporter!" I scare others by then saying that the religious people, though their ideas may be wrong, have a right not only to say what they feel, but also to feel it, so long as they don't attempt to violate civil rights by legislating it. I am against Fred Phelp's rantings (on a personal level), and against the legislations attempting to prevent him the right to rant. I am distressed by the current direction immigration reform is taking. I do not now, nor have I ever, owned a car, I rely on public transportation in an effort to reduce my ecological footprint. I support the UN and want the US to stop its efforts to play world policeman. I would never, ever consider joining the armed services, and am an advocate of finding peaceful solutions in myriads of other ways. I think that the US should be forced (by first economic sanctions and lastly the UN Peacekeeping Forces if necessary) to give up our weapons of mass destruction, or face the same invasion and deposing of leadership that Iraq faced, as there is, in the US, MUCH more cause. I thing George W. Bush should be tried for war crimes over our treatment of prisoners.

I also am a registered Democrat.

Outstanding definition of a Far Left Democrat. Everything you have mentioned is to the left of center.

where do you get "mythical". In complete technicality, every party must have some sort of fringe group no matter how centrist they are. In the left-wing, the far left is where the leftist ideals continue beyond the broad line of the party.

Celtlund says he's a leftist, and you'd probably call him one step short of a fascist, based on your post.

Well, maybe two or three steps short of a left wing facist. :p

Well, maybe two or three steps short of a left wing facist. :p

If that guy is calling Upper Botswavia a centre-leftist, then Howard Dean is a right-winger, and George W. Bush is in another political universe completely.

So, does this "Far Left" of the Democratic party really exist?Yes. The Democratic Party has become a party for everyone between conservative and leftist, much like the Republican party spans from Moderates to Neo-Nazis at the far end of its spectrum (though apparently these are leaving in droves due to Bush's immigration policy).

Howard Dean is not "far left."

Honestly, have you people ever met real far leftists? One would think that there are enough on NS to know what they are.

Most of the far left on NS think they are Centrists, and most of the far right on NS think they are Centrists. So, where you think someone stands is a combination of your individual political leanings and what you perceive as the other persons political leanings.

I think I lean a very little bit to the right of center on some issues and a little left on some other issues. I could never support John McCain or Pat Robertson for political office,but I could support Juliani or Lieberman.

Because you quoted a post that was by no means centrist by any realistic standard and claimed it was centre-left.
Not by any American standard, but with one or two exceptions that was a centre-left diatribe.

Many of those opinions would be held by the average person where I live.

Outstanding definition of a Far Left Democrat. Everything you have mentioned is to the left of center.
Not by much though.

If that guy is calling Upper Botswavia a centre-leftist, then Howard Dean is a right-winger, and George W. Bush is in another political universe completely.

That guy is a girl, but thanks. :p


*Edit* Errr... I read that too fast and thought you were calling ME a guy. Nevermind.

Howard Dean is not "far left."

Honestly, have you people ever met real far leftists? One would think that there are enough on NS to know what they are.
I must concur. Howard Dean is an opportunist. All his leftist talk is just populism.

Most of the far left on NS think they are Centrists

Who do you classify as "the far left on NS"?

I certainly have never called myself a centrist, and I've never seen any of the other radical leftists here do so.

Yes. The Democratic Party has become a party for everyone between conservative and leftist, much like the Republican party spans from Moderates to Neo-Nazis at the far end of its spectrum (though apparently these are leaving in droves due to Bush's immigration policy).

I do not think it is just immigration. Those who leave just because of immigration won't have anyone to vote for as Bush and the Democrats are very close on this issue.

I do not think it is just immigration. Those who leave just because of immigration won't have anyone to vote for as Bush and the Democrats are very close on this issue.There's always the Libertarian Nazi Green Party... :p

Nah, I picked this up from one of the sites I was reading. The Right-wing extremists that have swastikas for cattle brands are fed up with the Republican party and are most likely going to vote for a third party.

Not by any American standard, but with one or two exceptions that was a centre-left diatribe.

Many of those opinions would be held by the average person where I live.


Not by much though.


Diatribe? I thought it was a list, but ok.

Just out of curiosity, what would YOU think far left encompasses?

Nah, I picked this up from one of the sites I was reading. The Right-wing extremists that have swastikas for cattle brands are fed up with the Republican party and are most likely going to vote for a third party.

You know I'm torn as to whether or not I want the neo-Nazis to have an effect on the election. If it does then it means there is enough of them to have an effect to begin with. :(

I happen to know a few real live kicking Left Wing lefitists who are registered democrats. They live next door to my parents - and have since I was five. Plus the guy across the street (dunno about his wife) and the lady who lives down the street. Granted, they're in a VERY blue section of a VERY blue state. You should've seen the grief they gave my parents (both registered democrat) when my siblings and I all registered republican! They about had puppies!

If you want to know if they qualify as left wing, they do, but you can ask questions, and we can see if they really do qualify.

There's always the Libertarian Nazi Green Party... :p

Nah, I picked this up from one of the sites I was reading. The Right-wing extremists that have swastikas for cattle brands are fed up with the Republican party and are most likely going to vote for a third party.

I hope the party won't miss them. Now that I am a registered Independant I'm not sure who I will vote for except in the County Comissioners race.

You should've seen the grief they gave my parents (both registered democrat) when my siblings and I all registered republican! They about had puppies!

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Of course. They were clearly concerned about your mental health.

As a person who is a far leftist, I haven't seen anyone who is both a far leftist and a member of the Democratic Party. There are plenty of people to the left of the Democratic party, but is their really a "Left-wing" of the Democratic party.

To me, they all seem like squeemish centrists who won't take a stand on important issues about democracy and inequality in the US.

Id like to show you a quote from Willy Brown (D) here re the conflicts between what he proposed to do and the Constitution of the Stae of California as he addressed his fellow State congressmen during session.

To hell with the Constitution! We have to do what is right!

You daresay you might've agreed with his stances on power and law and inequality if the oxen he gored werent yors.

Um, wouldn't a "far-left" person just be a socialist?

And, yes, the answer yes.

You know I'm torn as to whether or not I want the neo-Nazis to have an effect on the election. If it does then it means there is enough of them to have an effect to begin with. :(

Well, one vote can have an effect on the election so it only takes one. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501587

I hope the party won't miss them. Now that I am a registered Independant I'm not sure who I will vote for except in the County Comissioners race.One of the few things I congratulate Bush for. If he can get the worst of the scum to leave because he's too liberal, that can't be all that bad :D

One of the few things I congratulate Bush for. If he can get the worst of the scum to leave because he's too liberal, that can't be all that bad :D

Ha ha. That would be funny, if the far-right nutcases ended up ruining the election for the Republicans by splitting the vote.

Okay, here's my attempt to make sense of why this thread will end in nothing but misery.

Left wing and right wing are subjective terms. To some people they measure purely economic positions (eg- defining left wingers as socialists and right wingers as capitalists), to others they are seen as ways of measuring more than just economic factors and instead take into consideration a summary of all the individual/party/group's positions before attempting to summarise it on a single axis (eg- calling fascists "far right" despite fascism's lack of a coherent left or right wing economic policy). So in other words, left wing and right wing as terms become meaningless when you have not defined to what part (or whole) of an individual's politics you are judging.

To make matters more confusing, supposing you had decided that you would base left-right definitions solely on economic matters, there are still subjective views at play. One individual may regard George W Bush's policies as right-wing: they benefit the rich, lower taxes and rip apart any sense of a welfare state. However another individual may use a different set of measures to decide whether or not Bush is a right-winger at not and come to a different conclusion (he has increased various aspects of public spending, places certain regulations on corporations, etc). In this way, no person can be placed as right or left wing on a set scale due to the fact that nobody can agree what either really actually means.

Left wing and right wing are vague terms, but the term "far left" has a more set definition as it is generally used amongst socialist circles who have set a definition for it. "Far left" is generally a term used to describe those who do not think communal ownership of property will come about through work within the current political system. They choose instead to want to replace, overthrow or destoy it.

And now I'm done.

Diatribe? I thought it was a list, but ok.

Just out of curiosity, what would YOU think far left encompasses?
Belief in revolutionary communism, basically look at DHomme.

anti-gun, communist/socialist, anti-war, treehugging. You know the usual

The Political Compass puts me well to the left of the Democratic party and I support and demand greater enforcement of individual private property rights, I am pro-gun, and I'd really like to see the end of the welfare state, state education, subsidies, bailouts, etc. It's a nice demonstration of how right-wing the Democratic party really is, actually.

Me thinks your definition needs some work. :)

Of course. They were clearly concerned about your mental health.

Clearly. They were also the people who went on and on about how they couldn't believe what nice children we were, and how well we behaved, and how well we obeyed... and how horrible it was that our parents spanked us, and they would never dream of abusing children like that, how could they!

Belief in revolutionary communism, basically look at DHomme.

Well, ok... as I said in an earlier post, I do like the IDEALS of communism, but know that it doesn't work in practice on a scale any larger than a commune...

But if, outside the Democratic party, far left=revolutionary communism, what would far left IN the Democratic party be? That was what this thread was about, I thought. If I were a revolutionary communist, I don't think I would associate myself with the Democratic party at all, and so wouldn't qualify under the title of this thread.

Where would a far left Democrat stand on the issues I mentioned? Or what other issues would she be concerned with that I did not mention, and where would she stand on them?

Okay, here's my attempt to make sense of why this thread will end in nothing but misery. *snip*


On the other hand if we all treat this thread with the same respect and dignity with which we should treat all political threads on teh interweb then no misery whatsoever will result. This is because when one is debating and opining with anonymous persons on the net one should not take the thread so seriously that one finds oneself emotionally vested in the thread or debate. This is the only way in which a thread can lead to misery. What is worse is that if one does reveal oneself to be emotionally attached to an issue then there is the very real probability that one will be made more miserable by those mentally ill persons who under the blanket of anonymity will make every attempt to increase any anxiety or distress or anger or discomfort which they see in another poster's words.

IMO, the democrats are right of center, at best. There is only one socialist in the democratic party and he's a congressman from Vermont.

But then again, when you look at it, moderation is Sweden. Sweden has a mixed economy. So in America there is no far left in office, as opposed to the far right.

more information on the idea here http://www.politicalcompass.org/

And for the record, I consider myself libertarian and collectivist.
(I'm an actor, I protest, and trees are good for hugging)

Clearly. They were also the people who went on and on about how they couldn't believe what nice children we were, and how well we behaved, and how well we obeyed... and how horrible it was that our parents spanked us, and they would never dream of abusing children like that, how could they!

Hmmm... we apparently had the same upbringing. We were always complimented by others on our good behavior, got a spank once in a blue moon when we deserved it, and all of my siblings and I turned out to be liberal Democrats, just like our parents. Go figure! :p

On the other hand if we all treat this thread with the same respect and dignity with which we should treat all political threads on teh interweb then no misery whatsoever will result. This is because when one is debating and opining with anonymous persons on the net one should not take the thread so seriously that one finds oneself emotionally vested in the thread or debate. This is the only way in which a thread can lead to misery. What is worse is that if one does reveal oneself to be emotionally attached to an issue then there is the very real probability that one will be made more miserable by those mentally ill persons who under the blanket of anonymity will make every attempt to increase any anxiety or distress or anger or discomfort which they see in another poster's words.

Nope. It was just a deliberate overstatement for comedic effect.

Of course, just as there is a far right in the republican party.

Well we've got republicans who are pro-torture. Who think that we don't have a right to vote. Who think that government should be stripped of its ability to regulate business.

If we had republicans that were any further to the right they'd have to reform the American fascist party.

IMO, the democrats are right of center, at best. There is only one socialist in the democratic party and he's a congressman from Vermont.

Sanders is not a genuine socialist and is not in the Democratic Party.

Um, wouldn't a "far-left" person just be a socialist?

And, yes, the answer yes.

A far-left person would be an anarchocommunist or a communist. Socialism is regular left-wing, approaching center-left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Hmmm... we apparently had the same upbringing. We were always complimented by others on our good behavior, got a spank once in a blue moon when we deserved it, and all of my siblings and I turned out to be liberal Democrats, just like our parents. Go figure! :p

Remarkable, that sounds like my leftist Democratic family as well!

What a coincidence, ;)

Always bear in mind that the "furthest left" the Democratic Party offers still falls somewhere to the right of Canada's own Conservative Party...


Just sayin'.

I'd say that the far left of the DP is more or less in Canadian terms, somewhere in between and including centrist Liberals and Red Tories.

Red Tories are moderate conservatives.

There are plenty of pro-gun radical leftists.

Take me for example. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

Well, I support ownership of the last one too, once it's invented.

I haven't met Howard Dean either but he is alive and kicking in the Democratic party. :eek:

However he's not a far-leftist.

Howard Dean is in favour of capitalism, and thus is not on the 'far-left'. Until Howard Dean begins expressing the need to overthrow the exploitive capitalist system, he's sitting in the 'centre-left'.

I'd say that the far left of the DP is more or less in Canadian terms, somewhere in between and including centrist Liberals and Red Tories.

Red Tories are moderate conservatives.

Red Tories are an endangered species. ;)

But well said regarding where the US Democrats line up with Canadian parties.

On the other hand if we all treat this thread with the same respect and dignity with which we should treat all political threads on teh interweb then no misery whatsoever will result. This is because when one is debating and opining with anonymous persons on the net one should not take the thread so seriously that one finds oneself emotionally vested in the thread or debate. This is the only way in which a thread can lead to misery. What is worse is that if one does reveal oneself to be emotionally attached to an issue then there is the very real probability that one will be made more miserable by those mentally ill persons who under the blanket of anonymity will make every attempt to increase any anxiety or distress or anger or discomfort which they see in another poster's words.

Would you please translate the above into English. Thank you.

Hmmm... we apparently had the same upbringing. We were always complimented by others on our good behavior, got a spank once in a blue moon when we deserved it, and all of my siblings and I turned out to be liberal Democrats, just like our parents. Go figure! :p

My upbinging was very similar. My dad was a "yellow dog, Irish, union Democrat." My mom never said what her political leanings were. When I was old enough I registered as a Republican. Forty years later, I became an Independant. Go figure.

My upbinging was very similar. My dad was a "yellow dog, Irish, union Democrat." My mom never said what her political leanings were. When I was old enough I registered as a Republican. Forty years later, I became an Independant. Go figure.

Yep. Both my parents registered democrats back... lets see... probably in the 50s when the democratic party was a different donkey than it is today. "Democrat" then had significantly different connotations. So, for that matter, did "Republican". And I've considered switching to Independant, except then you don't get to vote in primaries, and I'd prefer to keep that extra influence, even if it is only one vote.

I think I lean a very little bit to the right of center on some issues and a little left on some other issues. I could never support John McCain or Pat Robertson for political office,but I could support Juliani or Lieberman.

If you supported Tom Coburn as you said you did, you lean more than just a little to the right. Coburn is damn close to being a right wing extremist.

"The gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power... That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalization for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." -TomCoburn

"I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life." -TomCoburn

As a congressman in 1997, Coburn protested NBC's plan to air the R-rated Academy Award-winning Holocaust drama Schindler's List during prime time. Coburn stated that, in airing the movie without editing it for television, T.V. had been taken "to an all-time low, with full-frontal nudity, violence and profanity." He also said the TV broadcast should outrage parents and decent-minded individuals everywhere. Coburn described the airing of Schindler's List on television as "...irresponsible sexual behavior...I cringe when I realize that there were children all across this nation watching this program."

There are plenty of pro-gun radical leftists.

Well, there aren't many, but those radical leftists that exist pretty much have to be pro-gun. Radical anythings want to overthrow the government. That's hard to do at the worst of times. No one wants to try it without guns.

A far-left person would be an anarchocommunist or a communist. Socialism is regular left-wing, approaching center-left.
Which only goes to show that still today, there are even bigger diehard morons out there then extremist socialists. :rolleyes:

Modern Social-Democracy (excluding South American pseudo-tyrants) isn't very different from the US Democrat Party. The difference with America is that their right is even more extreme than Christian Democrat Parties that normally hold very small minorities in western democratic nations. I'm talking about like 4 or 5 members of parliament.

The US doesn't really have a "far left" outside of teenagers trying to be rebellious.

It really killed them with the whole "reds under the bed" thing. Calling the Democrats left-wing is like calling the New Labour party in the UK left-wing.

They both have vague pretentions of being left-wing, but it's basically so that they can get some easy votes from the working class, and that's really all it runs to.

Which only goes to show that still today, there are even bigger diehard morons out there then extremist socialists. :rolleyes:


Says the man with his personal email address in his signature.

Says the man with his personal email address in his signature.
*signs him up for 8000 "free hentai E-zines"*

BWAHAHAHAHA

If you supported Tom Coburn as you said you did, you lean more than just a little to the right. Coburn is damn close to being a right wing extremist.

"The gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power... That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalization for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." -TomCoburn

"I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life." -TomCoburn

As a congressman in 1997, Coburn protested NBC's plan to air the R-rated Academy Award-winning Holocaust drama Schindler's List during prime time. Coburn stated that, in airing the movie without editing it for television, T.V. had been taken "to an all-time low, with full-frontal nudity, violence and profanity." He also said the TV broadcast should outrage parents and decent-minded individuals everywhere. Coburn described the airing of Schindler's List on television as "...irresponsible sexual behavior...I cringe when I realize that there were children all across this nation watching this program."

Tom Corbun- One of The Last Things America Truly Needs


In all seriousness, the Republican "Moral Police" are outdated, both in term length and in ideology. Seeing someone nude isn't that bad.

Really, it's just a sight. What's so wrong about the human body? You see it naked everyday... at least sorta (what with showering and all).

Where is the harm in nudity?

So, does this "Far Left" of the Democratic party really exist?

Nope.

Says the man with his personal email address in his signature.
*signs him up for 8000 "free hentai E-zines"*

BWAHAHAHAHA
lol Way too late with that idea. Already done. Plus I use it as a main contact method on the boards I mod at. as well as everywhere else. So another 100 or so emails a day would be nothing. :p