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just digging up some old news in light of the now congressionally approved power of the dictator-in-chief to declare anyone an unlawful enemy combatant and have them disappeared and tortured.


Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html?ex=1159761600&en=67278d25edbe238c&ei=5070)

By RACHEL L. SWARNS
Published: February 4, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 — The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said.
...
A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people.

I don't know how fucking stupid they think we are, but it must be pretty god damn stupid and the sad part is they are pretty right.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said.

Hmmmm......

This makes me very nervous. Thank you for tossing it out here.

At least they're planning ahead for the huge influx of enemy combatants.


I mean immigrants. Yeah, immigrants.

>.>
<.<

for new programs that require additional detention space

There's nothing more concerning than vague descriptions of new programs that require additional detention space. With any luck, these things will take at least 2 years to complete...

At least they're planning ahead for the huge influx of enemy combatants.

As well as the next Katrina. I wonder how internally displaced Americans will like living with enemy combatants?

Anyhow, this is just another example of the unholy union between this administration and the corporations that own them.

Hmmmm......

i'm seriously having trouble even attempting to come up with a possible legitimate 'new program' that could require the building of multiple 5,000 person detention centers

At least they're planning ahead for the huge influx of enemy combatants.


I mean immigrants. Yeah, immigrants.

>.>
<.<

yeah - at least they actually have plans for something

There is no need to worry: you can trust your government so long as your government can trust you.

i'm seriously having trouble even attempting to come up with a possible legitimate 'new program' that could require the building of multiple 5,000 person detention centers

As am I. I'd really like to know where they plan on building them. Building them anywhere except near the border would be rather silly if they were only for detaining illegal immigrants, wouldn't it?

Ok...Thats it. I'm looking for some other country to live in.

i'm seriously having trouble even attempting to come up with a possible legitimate 'new program' that could require the building of multiple 5,000 person detention centers

They're called Happy Camps, brought to you by Snacky Smores.

Hmmm....anyone else here starting to have a legitimate fear of the national Government??

Hmmm....anyone else here starting to have a legitimate fear of the national Government??
-raises hand- I do! Like, literally I am afraid for some of the crap I have posted elsewhere on the web, things i have looked at, my political views etc. I think soon the SS(secret service) will be taking me away to a death camp....


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-raises hand- I do! Like, literally I am afraid for some of the crap I have posted elsewhere on the web, things i have looked at, my political views etc. I think soon the SS(secret service) will be taking me away to a death camp....


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lol


Well, I started to voice my opinion about the torture bill on a blog site, but then I ended up erasing what I wrote and not typing anything. Why? I saw a picture I had on my computer.

Heres the picture:

http://www.espartha.com/blog/wp-content/watching_you.jpg

I don't know how fucking stupid they think we are, but it must be pretty god damn stupid and the sad part is they are pretty right.
Succinct, and no doubt true on average.

However as a general caveat, it should be noted that the average may not be representitive of all individuals in the sample group, which I guess explains the need for the gulags...oops I mean temporary immigration detention centers.

Succinct, and no doubt true on average.

However as a general caveat, it should be noted that the average may not be representitive of all individuals in the sample group, which I guess explains the need for the gulags...oops I mean temporary immigration detention centers.


ROFL!

lol


Well, I started to voice my opinion about the torture bill on a blog site, but then I ended up erasing what I wrote and not typing anything. Why? I saw a picture I had on my computer.

Heres the picture:

http://www.espartha.com/blog/wp-content/watching_you.jpg

Well I'm starting to see myself as a revolutionary more and more every day. I'm starting a group, Brothers of the Constitution, that will fight any gov't that tries to override the constitution. I need people to join though :p But I am sure i'll be the first to go to a camp.

At least they're planning ahead for the huge influx of enemy combatants.


I mean immigrants. Yeah, immigrants.

>.>
<.<

And they're so versitile. They can also be refugee camps, prisons, disaster shelters, and free speech zones. Because really... How different should a prison and a "free speech zone*" be?


*God I hate that term. America used to be a free speech zone. Now they put people with opinions in temporary prison camps.

They're called Happy Camps, brought to you by Snacky Smores.

mmmmmm, snacky smores

Old news, eh?
http://aklemai.com/albums/forum/oldnews.jpg

Dictator-in-Chief, huh? Sure your tin-foil cap isn't on too tight? I may not like a lot of the things he does (like the out of control spending or the moral crusades) but it's not like he's secretly a Commu-Nazi spy trying to destroy the world.

Or is he?
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/paulbubel/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Dictator-in-Chief, huh? Sure your tin-foil cap isn't on too tight? I may not like a lot of the things he does (like the out of control spending or the moral crusades) but it's not like he's secretly a Commu-Nazi spy trying to destroy the world.

You're right of course, any fool can see Georgie's no communist.

There's nothing more concerning than vague descriptions of new programs that require additional detention space. With any luck, these things will take at least 2 years to complete...

Not to mention that they recently reworded what an "enemy combatant" is, drastically increasing the number of people who are capable of being detained. And the rules of detaining said people has changed, giving the government the ability to detain one indefinately.

So...

2+2=5

And they're so versitile. They can also be refugee camps, prisons, disaster shelters, and free speech zones. Because really... How different should a prison and a "free speech zone*" be?


*God I hate that term. America used to be a free speech zone. Now they put people with opinions in temporary prison camps.

No, you all have it wrong. These are just small, temporary, placement until the Mini-Love can be built.

just digging up some old news in light of the now congressionally approved power of the dictator-in-chief to declare anyone an unlawful enemy combatant and have them disappeared and tortured.


Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html?ex=1159761600&en=67278d25edbe238c&ei=5070)

By RACHEL L. SWARNS
Published: February 4, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 — The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said.
...
A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people.


I shouldn't be laughing. This is awful. Its so damn hysterical, but we have to live in it which makes it unfunny.

I once saw an article in a parody newspaper "Halliburton gets no-bid contract to extract gold fillings from teeth of deceased Katrina Victims"

This is so fucking stupid and it really makes me nervious.

Why are we building detention centers for "unexpected influx of immigrants"...why cant we just CONTROL OUR IMMIGRATION isntead of putting them in detention camps.

And also, why cant they tell us what they need the room for that they...might or might not....be building in the future. I'd like to know if my country is building olypmic sized swimming pools for Mexicans, or gas chambers for terrorists.

Frankly, I dont know which one is worse.

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...........thaaaaaaaats really fucked up.

This is so fucking stupid and it really makes me nervious.

Why are we building detention centers for "unexpected influx of immigrants"...why cant we just CONTROL OUR IMMIGRATION isntead of putting them in detention camps.

And also, why cant they tell us what they need the room for that they...might or might not....be building in the future. I'd like to know if my country is building olypmic sized swimming pools for Mexicans, or gas chambers for terrorists.

Frankly, I dont know which one is worse.

Indeed. And it makes you wonder why we even need so much space(each facility being able to hold 5000 detainees, and several being built), it makes you scratch your head. Then there is the little line about how it can be used for other detainment uses(not limited to prisoners)...

Just remember:

Freedom is Slavery.

Now, I'm going to watch FOX news for the daily two minutes hate... I mean O'Reiley Factor.

What's amusing to me is that it's not really an unexpected influx of immigrants if we're building these centers ahead of time.

Mmm hmm... Got my Benedict Arnold masks here along with the rest of the crap. Time to start distribution.

What's amusing to me is that it's not really an unexpected influx of immigrants if we're building these centers ahead of time.

well you know the bush admin's motto - always be prepared

"You'll never take me alive, G-man!!!" :mp5:

Uh, that is actually a little unsettling. I mean, I'm used to the usual arm waving "We1s D3 N3x+ N@2I5!!!1!" stuff. Sometimes I do it. But this actually sounds like something you'll hear in history class in 2036. Does this not sound exactly alike the rise of the third riech? The dots, the unconnected dots!

"You'll never take me alive, G-man!!!" :mp5: Gman responds...
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9447/protectyouxp6.png

(No Gmod here people just good old fashioned worldcraft and enough time to make a single room level just for this picture!)

I don't know how fucking stupid they think we are, but it must be pretty god damn stupid and the sad part is they are pretty right.

You're not actually of the belief that you would have to pack your bags and report to a detention center, are you?

"You'll never take me alive, G-man!!!" :mp5:

Correct. They won't take you alive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html

Hahahahaha...whoooo!!! Go Florida!

Our only hope is that it will go as most Halliburton projects go: Building these camps will cost billions of dollars a week, take 25 years to finish, and fall down as soon as they open the doors for the first prisoners ... excuse me, I mean... Well, actually, I mean prisoners.

You're not actually of the belief that you would have to pack your bags and report to a detention center, are you?
Why not? Japanese Americans had to during WW2.

just digging up some old news in light of the now congressionally approved power of the dictator-in-chief to declare anyone an unlawful enemy combatant and have them disappeared and tortured.


Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html?ex=1159761600&en=67278d25edbe238c&ei=5070)

By RACHEL L. SWARNS
Published: February 4, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 — The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said.
...
A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people.

Addendum:

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year.

The contract with the Corps of Engineers runs one year, with four optional one-year extensions. Officials of the corps said that they had solicited bids and that KBR was the lone responder.
It would seem that it's just a continuation of something that started under President Clinton, not some grand conspiracy.

More than that, they're not being built yet, instead, they're waiting for the massive outflux of refugees once Castro dies in Cuba, and Raoul proves that the cult of personality that held the country together in poverty for fifty years is finally dead.

Correct. They won't take you alive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216898,00.html

What's that supposed to be, some kind of veiled threat against a dissident?

What's that supposed to be, some kind of veiled threat against a dissident?

Coming from the man who thinks it's hunky-dory to shoot 110 rounds at (and kill) a suspect, I don't believe he's overly concerned with veiling anything.

Welcome to your nightmare.

Wow...

Just wow...

There is no need to worry: you can trust your government so long as your government can trust you.

Or vice-versa. :)

What's that supposed to be, some kind of veiled threat against a dissident?

No, just pointing out how law enforcement deals with people nowadays.

It would seem that it's just a continuation of something that started under President Clinton, not some grand conspiracy.

ah, "but clitnton..."

i was wondering when it would rear it's pathetic head

ah, "but clitnton..."

i was wondering when it would rear it's pathetic head

It's the continuance of a prudent policy that should take effect in the event of emergency.

For example, under the previous contract KBR built temporary shelters for refugees from Hurrican Katrina.

Not everything the government does comes with jackboots and swastikas.

It would seem that it's just a continuation of something that started under President Clinton, not some grand conspiracy.
Ok - who had post #42 in the "let's see how long it takes before someone blames this on CLinton" pool?

No, just pointing out how law enforcement deals with people nowadays.
Oh, I see, so people shouldn't worry about having to report to detention camps because the government is already just shooting us dead on the street?

As bad as things have gotten, you are still getting just a tiny tad ahead of your own game, ain'tcha, Jr.? Your Himmler Underoos must be fitting a bit tight.

Coming from the man who thinks it's hunky-dory to shoot 110 rounds at (and kill) a suspect, I don't believe he's overly concerned with veiling anything.

Welcome to your nightmare.

I was avoiding that little dream-porn thread of his.

Ok - who had post #42 in the "let's see how long it takes before someone blames this on CLinton" pool?

I'm not blaming Clinton, I'm giving him credit for a prudent policy that can be rapidly enacted in the event of an emergency on a large scale, i.e. Hurricane Katrina.

I was avoiding that little dream-porn thread of his.

Here's the man he's publicly likened himself to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heydrich

Check it out.

Here's the man he's publicly likened himself to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heydrich

Check it out.

Oh, I know all about our little woodland friend, Deep Kimchi, and he knows all about me (don't you, DK?). But we have to give him credit at least for not settling for half measures. If he's going to emulate scumbags, he'll emulate the scummiest, sickest, most perverted scumbag of them all. And if he does it right, he'll end up the same way Heydrich did.

It's the continuance of a prudent policy that should take effect in the event of emergency.

For example, under the previous contract KBR built temporary shelters for refugees from Hurrican Katrina.

Not everything the government does comes with jackboots and swastikas.

sure. however, certain practices take on new meaning when congress overwhelmingly supports (to damn near constitutional amendment levels) an act which specifically says that the president and the sec def can declare anyone to be an unlawful enemy combatant, that the fact that they have been so declared is the only evidence necessary to have them locked up indefinitely, and that mr. "human dignity is vague, bring on the electrodes" is the one who gets to decide what is and is not torture.

to fully nazify this, it turns out that germany had trains before they started shipping jews around in them.

Not everything the government does comes with jackboots and swastikas.
But when enough stuff coming out of this government reminds us of, let's just say, unpleasant regimes from other parts of the world, it's difficult not to hear the echoes. I mean, what else should we think when we hear about this right after Congress approves a bill that strips habeas corpus protections from US citizens at the whim of the President?

But when enough stuff coming out of this government reminds us of, let's just say, unpleasant regimes from other parts of the world, it's difficult not to hear the echoes. I mean, what else should we think when we hear about this right after Congress approves a bill that strips habeas corpus protections from US citizens at the whim of the President?

That Congress, in advance of an upcoming election, is voting what they perceive their constituents as wanting (whether they're the Republicans, or the 10 Democrats in the Senate who willingly voted for this).

IIRC, the original American Revolution had habeas corpus as one of the primary issues.

We were willing to suspend it entirely during the Civil War, and not contest its legality until after the Civil War was over.

The same man who freed the slaves used to strip people of habeas corpus with the ease of drawing a breath.

It's what the voters want, obviously.

I wish either General Tony Zinni, General Wesley Clark, or General Colin Powell would run/win the presidential elections. They are the primary people I see right now turning this country around.

I wish either General Tony Zinni, General Wesley Clark, or General Colin Powell would run/win the presidential elections. They are the primary people I see right now turning this country around.

Powell yes. Clark is a fucking idiot.

just digging up some old news in light of the now congressionally approved power of the dictator-in-chief to declare anyone an unlawful enemy combatant and have them disappeared and tortured.


Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/national/04halliburton.html?ex=1159761600&en=67278d25edbe238c&ei=5070)

By RACHEL L. SWARNS
Published: February 4, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 — The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq.

KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said.
...
A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people.


Holy..shit. They already are building fucking consentration camps...my fucking god...seriously..just a few days ago a de-facto dictator and his facist party took power in the US. He is already building camps...It is now time to talk of open revolution my fellow americans.

Holy..shit. They already are building fucking consentration camps...my fucking god...seriously..just a few days ago a de-facto dictator and his facist party took power in the US. He is already building camps...It is now time to talk of open revolution my fellow americans.

Fashionably late to this little party, Tribes? This little NSG wake? The torture bill threads were just the eulogy.

Fashionably late to this little party, Tribes? This little NSG wake? The torture bill threads were just the eulogy.

king of the who?

Ok...Thats it. I'm looking for some other country to live in.

Mexico becomes less crowded daily.

Fashionably late to this little party, Tribes? This little NSG wake? The torture bill threads were just the eulogy.

Will your lil revolution be bloodless or do your ends justify your means?

Will your lil revolution be bloodless or do your ends justify your means?

why would a somewhat bloody revolution need to be solely justified by its ends?

They already are building fucking consentration camps

maybe - the article (from months ago) only tells us that they have someone on hand to do so when they have some "new programs that require additional detention space".

Will your lil revolution be bloodless or do your ends justify your means?

*wipes, then wrings hands clean, in an exagerrated manner for Not Bad's benefit*

Just what revolution are you referring to, then? I don't know anything about any revolution. Nothing at all.

*walks away, whistling low to myself*

why would a somewhat bloody revolution need to be solely justified by its ends?

It would not so long as you consider murder to be OK. Otherwise it is murder (the means) to attain your new government (the end) and the murders would need justification. Simple

*wipes, then wrings hands clean, in an exagerrated manner for Not Bad's benefit*

Just what revolution are you referring to, then? I don't know anything about any revolution. Nothing at all.

*walks away, whistling low to myself*


LOL

Your partyeulogywake revolution which attracted Barbaric Tribes.

I always wonder how many Bush supporters would actually try to justify open fascism if it was coming from the Republicans... I wish I understood their minds.

That Congress, in advance of an upcoming election, is voting what they perceive their constituents as wanting (whether they're the Republicans, or the 10 Democrats in the Senate who willingly voted for this).

IIRC, the original American Revolution had habeas corpus as one of the primary issues.

We were willing to suspend it entirely during the Civil War, and not contest its legality until after the Civil War was over.

The same man who freed the slaves used to strip people of habeas corpus with the ease of drawing a breath.

It's what the voters want, obviously.

What nonsense is this?

"The original American Revolution had habeas corpus as one of the primary issues"? WHAT issue, precisely? Does this remark have any relevance at all, or are you just trying to imply that the fact that Americans have talked about habeas corpus makes it okay for it to be suspended?

As for Lincoln, you and some others around here like to claim that Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus was unopposed because Americans were okay with it. Nothing could be further from the truth. There was active opposition to it at the time, in Congress and among the people. Calls were issued for Lincoln's impeachment over it. So why wasn't he impeached? Possibly because an actual war was being fought ON US SOIL at the time. Possibly because the war took up most of the Congress's time while it was in progress. And possibly because when it was all over, habeas corpus was reinstated, as promised. Or possibly because he got shot before Congress got the chance.

Personally, I think even if he hadn't been assassinated, he should have been punished for the suspension anyway, but the fact remains that Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus temporarily during the Civil War is in no way comparable to Bush's indirect and extra-legal attacks on habeas corpus when there are no armed conflicts on US soil, when the country is not in a state of emergency, and when his plans show absolutely no hint of being anything but permanent and open-ended.

Americans before, during and after the Revolution were not okay with suspension of habeas corpus. Americans during the Civil War were not okay with suspension of habeas corpus. And Americans now are not okay with it, either.

Otherwise it is murder (the means) to attain your new government (the end) and the murders would need justification. Simple

such as self-defense and the defense of others, perhaps?

simple indeed

That Congress, in advance of an upcoming election, is voting what they perceive their constituents as wanting (whether they're the Republicans, or the 10 Democrats in the Senate who willingly voted for this).

IIRC, the original American Revolution had habeas corpus as one of the primary issues.

We were willing to suspend it entirely during the Civil War, and not contest its legality until after the Civil War was over.

The same man who freed the slaves used to strip people of habeas corpus with the ease of drawing a breath.

It's what the voters want, obviously.If Congress gave two shits about what the voters want, there would be universal health care in this country right fucking now, so spare me this drivel, DK. You don't even believe it yourself.

If Congress gave two shits about what the voters want, there would be universal health care in this country right fucking now, so spare me this drivel, DK. You don't even believe it yourself.

If people wanted universal health care, they would elect people that would give it to them.

Obviously, they haven't.

People vote for candidates who do what they wanted (as determined by pollsters just prior to an election).

It's not drivel. It's true. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true.

What nonsense is this?

"The original American Revolution had habeas corpus as one of the primary issues"? WHAT issue, precisely? Does this remark have any relevance at all, or are you just trying to imply that the fact that Americans have talked about habeas corpus makes it okay for it to be suspended?

Boy, you are stupid.

I'm saying that habeas corpus was one of the reasons for the American Revolution.

In fact, in my post, I said as much.

Somehow, you think I'm saying something else. Maybe you should stop sniffing glue and wake up and read what I'm posting instead of jumping to completely inane conclusions.

If people wanted universal health care, they would elect people that would give it to them.

Obviously, they haven't.

People vote for candidates who do what they wanted (as determined by pollsters just prior to an election).

It's not drivel. It's true. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Now who's being naive?

Boy, you are stupid.

I'm saying that habeas corpus was one of the reasons for the American Revolution.

In fact, in my post, I said as much.

Somehow, you think I'm saying something else. Maybe you should stop sniffing glue and wake up and read what I'm posting instead of jumping to completely inane conclusions.

You are the one who failed to mention why habeas corpus was an issue in the Revolution. Now that you've done so, you have invalidated your own argument.

You were claiming that the American people support Bush's attempt to suspend habeas corpus. You cited two historical cases to support your claim that Americans are okay with this kind of thing. The Lincoln case you just got totally wrong on the facts. And it turns out that the Revolution case says the opposite of what you were trying to argue.

So, if Americans fought one revolution over habeas corpus, maybe they'll fight another.

By the way, you've got a lot of damned gall to call me "stupid," "inane" and to suggest that I'm on drugs after your bitch-wimp whining in another thread about how mean you thought I was being to you. Well, since you seem to feel up to launching personal attacks, then the break I took from criticizing you is over, you lying, hypocritical, ignorant, self-serving fraud.

As well as the next Katrina. I wonder how internally displaced Americans will like living with enemy combatants?

Anyhow, this is just another example of the unholy union between this administration and the corporations that own them.

I'm inclined to disagree with this statement. As I see it, the adminstration isn't so much controlled by multinational corporations - rather, the administration (and Congress as well) is inseperable from the multinational corporations.

(Perhaps I should make a note here - I personally doubt that Bush is the true center of power in the government. He's simply too visible and not a good enough manager (see his entrepreneurial adventures for details). Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and a few of the other prime neocons are probably much closer to the true centers of power, but I strongly suspect that at least some of the people who really decide government policy are people who we would not recognize if we saw them.

It seems relevant to this point I find that that the neofascist antiterror acts passed recently fit much more closely with the cutthroat actions of multinational corporations such as those that Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc. are linked to that with the patrician values of "good-ol'-boy" President Shrub.)

I'll probably make some big exposition tomorrow, but I need to sleep now.

That Congress, in advance of an upcoming election, is voting what they perceive their constituents as wanting (whether they're the Republicans, or the 10 Democrats in the Senate who willingly voted for this).
Nonesense. Congress is well aware that many Americans wouldnt change the political party they support once they'd declared it openly. Further Congress no doubt is counting on ignorance. If the move were such a popular cause they'd have gone through the front door (aka a constitutional amendment) rather than this backdoor sneakyness. If they thought voters wanted it then they'd be much more overt. They are counting on a lack of widespread understanding and the loyalty of those hard-core political groupies, who'd find a way to argue that canabilising live babies was a good thing for Presidents to do if Bush grabbed one and started munching half through delivering the State of the Nation address.

IIRC, the original American Revolution had habeas corpus as one of the primary issues.
Which wouldnt have been the case if it were not extremely controversial...:rolleyes:

We were willing to suspend it entirely during the Civil War, and not contest its legality until after the Civil War was over.
'We', gee I'd never have guessed you were so old.

The same man who freed the slaves used to strip people of habeas corpus with the ease of drawing a breath.
Aha, and people still hold it against him to this day....

It's what the voters want, obviously.
Not necessarily. Even if it were that doesnt mean they ought to get it. The US Constution was intended to function as much to protect the minority from tyranny of the majority as vice-versa.

However as to your assertion, if the move were so popular as you'd like to assert, why not go the direct route, aka an amendment to the constitution? I suggest the extra public attention that would attend such a route is the reason why it hasnt been attempted (which clearly wouldnt be the case if this were a popular move). I suspect that those involved in perpetrating this menace to the US and its people know darn well how very unpopular what their doing would be were it to be widely understood.