NationStates Jolt Archive


Oh, this is just precious

The Nazz
30-09-2006, 03:22
Katherine Harris, in her quixotic bid to become Florida's next Senator (a bid that will only come to fruition if the rumors about electronic voting machines are accurate) has apparently resorted to some extreme tactics to get some electoral traction.

It's come out lately in some other races that campaigns are posting comments on their opponents' websites trying to convince other visitors that their attempts are fruitless, but doing so in such a way that it comes off as concern that their efforts might be better spent in other races. They've been labeled concern trolls, and I really have to wonder how effective they'd be, seeing as most commenters on a campaign website would be considered the most engaged.

But Harris's campaign has taken concern trolling to a whole new level (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2006/09/katherine_harri.html).
Does Katherine Harris have a fan in India?

A series of blog-site postings this month suggests someone is responding to negative comments about the Republican Senate candidate and refuting them with short blasts of pro-Harris material.

The messages bear different e-mail addresses, but they share the same internet protocol address, the 11-digit string that identifies the computer or network creating the message. And that address seems to located in western India.

"It's strange," said Josh Hallett, a Winter Haven-based blogger and internet consultant who's received some of the messages. "Why would anyone in India be doing this?"

They might not.

The messages could be originating in the U.S., but a tech-savvy sender could make it appear as if they were coming from overseas.

"It's very easy for someone to hide their identity," said Cliff Zou, an assistant professor of computer science at University of Central Florida. "That happens a lot."

The pro-Harris messages surfaced early this month on Hallett's blog. They appeared within five minutes of each other and each said something nice about Harris, who faces Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in the November general election.

"Kathy showed great victory by winning the primary," one said. "Great show Kathy."

Soon, similar messages popped up on blogs based in Kansas and Georgia. In some cases, the messages were responding to blog items that had been drifting in cyberspace for more than a year.

Hallett's item – which critiqued Harris' Congressional blog – was posted in March 2005. It drew little response until the three mysterious messages appeared on Sept. 8.

Two defended Harris' Congressional website, and the third sounded as if it could have come from Harris' campaign.

"Katherine Harris is tested by fire," it said. "She is strong and determined and will not back down in the face of adversity."

Actually, that did come from the Harris camp. Months ago, it was posted on her campaign website as one of the Top10 Reasons Katherine Harris Will Beat Bill Nelson.

In Wichita, Kan., blogger Steven Day began getting the pro-Harris e-mails about items he had written that were several weeks old.

"That's like a million years in blogging," he said. "It was very unusual."

Day said he assumed it was "some guy running a Katherine Harris spam operation." Hallett said he figured it was a Harris staffer. But when the internet protocol address tracked back to India, another thought crossed his mind.

"I wondered if she was outsourcing campaign support to India," he said. "It was so bizarre."

The wording of the messages also raised questions. The comments sound stilted, as if English wasn't the first language of the writer.

"Guys let us come out of this blue eye shadow," one says. "Let us not discuss such irrelevant details."

Another says, "At the end of the day what matters is her ability to lead the masses. Which I think she is quite good at." A third calls Bill Nelson, "Bill Henson."

The author of the comments remains unknown and the Harris campaign did not respond to questions about the blog postings. Using blogs as a political tool, however, is becoming common.
Deep Kimchi
30-09-2006, 03:24
Well, companies outsource programming to India. It makes sense that politicians would outsource their "grassroots" as well.
Wanderjar
30-09-2006, 03:24
Thats not trolling really. More akin to RP Puppet Wanking.
Free shepmagans
30-09-2006, 03:26
Hahahahahahaha,. That's just sad. Makes me wonder if Bush supporters are really from india.:p
Pie and Beer
30-09-2006, 03:26
Thats not trolling really. More akin to RP Puppet Wanking.

lol, puppet wanking, lol
The Nazz
30-09-2006, 03:28
Hahahahahahaha,. That's just sad. Makes me wonder if Bush supporters are really from india.:p

Well, they do a lot of software work, and you need software for those Diebold voting machines.... ;)
Deep Kimchi
30-09-2006, 03:29
Well, they do a lot of software work, and you need software for those Diebold voting machines.... ;)

so, in reality, people from India came over here as part of a master conspiracy to take over software development, and force outsourcing, and eventually take over America...
Deep Kimchi
30-09-2006, 03:30
hey, that means that Aryavartha is...
Vetalia
30-09-2006, 03:32
so, in reality, people from India came over here as part of a master conspiracy to take over software development, and force outsourcing, and eventually take over America...

And, obviously, they're all under control of the Zionist Freemason Jewish Illuminati Nazis.
MeansToAnEnd
30-09-2006, 03:32
To each his own, I guess. Certainly very peculiar.
The Nazz
30-09-2006, 03:34
And, obviously, they're all under control of the Zionist Freemason Jewish Illuminati Nazis.
You forgot the Bilderburgers and the meetings at Bohemian Grove.
Deep Kimchi
30-09-2006, 03:35
You forgot the Bilderburgers and the meetings at Bohemian Grove.

And the British royals, and the Queen of the Netherlands...
The Lone Alliance
30-09-2006, 03:42
You forgot the Bilderburgers and the meetings at Bohemian Grove.
They quit after we refused to turn over the Aryans.
The Nazz
30-09-2006, 03:43
And the British royals, and the Queen of the Netherlands...

And that Hillary was fucking Vince Foster and had him killed and his body dragged to Fort Marcy Park...

oh wait. You believe that one.
Andaluciae
30-09-2006, 03:43
Katherine Harris is sooooooooooooooooo wonderful :rolleyes:
The Nazz
30-09-2006, 03:44
Katherine Harris is sooooooooooooooooo wonderful :rolleyes:Well, I have to admit that I'm really glad she won her primary. I was sweating it for a while.
Deep Kimchi
30-09-2006, 03:47
And that Hillary was fucking Vince Foster and had him killed and his body dragged to Fort Marcy Park...

oh wait. You believe that one.

No, I don't believe the Hillary fucking Foster part.

But, I've been to the site myself. And a lot of locals don't believe it was a suicide either.

I am not even convinced that Hillary was involved in anything except throwing the FBI out of the dead man's office and not allowing them to investigate before she and her lawyer could cleanse the office.

I think he was killed right there at the park where he was found.
Not bad
30-09-2006, 04:44
Katherine Harris, in her quixotic bid to become Florida's next Senator (a bid that will only come to fruition if the rumors about electronic voting machines are accurate) has apparently resorted to some extreme tactics to get some electoral traction.

It's come out lately in some other races that campaigns are posting comments on their opponents' websites trying to convince other visitors that their attempts are fruitless, but doing so in such a way that it comes off as concern that their efforts might be better spent in other races. They've been labeled concern trolls, and I really have to wonder how effective they'd be, seeing as most commenters on a campaign website would be considered the most engaged.

But Harris's campaign has taken concern trolling to a whole new level (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2006/09/katherine_harri.html).

I think that you will find that this level had already been completely eclipsed in scope and audacity during the last presidential election the Guardian in Great Britain somehow aquired many thousands of email addresses in Ohio and spammed the Buckeye State relentlessly with their concerns about Bush and their delight with Kerry. This feeble attempt by this candidate pales by any comparison, although it may be a small homage to the Guardian's style.
Arrkendommer
30-09-2006, 04:54
Yeah.
Catherine Harris is pretty evil.
She bought the election for Bush.
When I was in Washing ton DC I saw her debating on the senate floor.
I would have done anything for a carton of eggs.
The Nazz
30-09-2006, 05:10
I think that you will find that this level had already been completely eclipsed in scope and audacity during the last presidential election the Guardian in Great Britain somehow aquired many thousands of email addresses in Ohio and spammed the Buckeye State relentlessly with their concerns about Bush and their delight with Kerry. This feeble attempt by this candidate pales by any comparison, although it may be a small homage to the Guardian's style.

Not the same. Not really even close. But thanks anyway.
Kyronea
30-09-2006, 05:12
Well, I have to admit that I'm really glad she won her primary. I was sweating it for a while.
Mind if I ask why?
The Nazz
30-09-2006, 05:18
Mind if I ask why?
Well because there was never any real chance she would win the general election. The polls have always had Nelson, an uninspiring Senator at best, ahead by around 20 points, mainly because Harris has been an utter disaster on the campaign trail. But another candidate might have actually posed a threat. Nelson probably would have held the seat regardless, but someone other than Harris might have made him work for it, and anytime the Dems can put one in the win column in September is a good time for me.
Not bad
30-09-2006, 05:25
Not the same. Not really even close. But thanks anyway.

What would the difference be which makes these so very different? Party alognment?
The Nazz
30-09-2006, 05:33
What would the difference be which makes these so very different? Party alognment?

Oh come on. Don't be fatuous. The whole concern troll phenomenon involves campaigns going onto opponent's websites and dissuade the believers, using faux concern about the rhetoric or chances of said candidate to try to convince others to turn their attention elsewhere. It's a campaign tactic--I think it's probably a pretty ineffective one, but it's a tactic nonetheless.

What the Guardian did was completely different. For starters, the Guardian wasn't made up of paid staffers of the Kerry campaign, and secondly, they didn't disguise themselves and attempt to make it look like they're something they weren't.
Aryavartha
30-09-2006, 05:45
hey, that means that Aryavartha is...

Shhh....

*sends shady men after you*
Not bad
30-09-2006, 06:06
Oh come on. Don't be fatuous. The whole concern troll phenomenon involves campaigns going onto opponent's websites and dissuade the believers, using faux concern about the rhetoric or chances of said candidate to try to convince others to turn their attention elsewhere. It's a campaign tactic--I think it's probably a pretty ineffective one, but it's a tactic nonetheless.

What the Guardian did was completely different. For starters, the Guardian wasn't made up of paid staffers of the Kerry campaign, and secondly, they didn't disguise themselves and attempt to make it look like they're something they weren't.

If you are saying that you know who is actually sending these (silly amd ineffectual) messages and that they are paid campaign staffers who are cleverly faking their real ISPs then name em and shame em. In that way this will actually appear to be nefarious rather than a prank borne of boredom or a faked attack in order to drum up sympathy. Out of all the faux concern messages sent via faux ISPs by faux Indians which do you feel is the most serious violation of whatever it is that they violate? That indian ISP too please if it isnt too much trouble.

My view is that if the messages are not written by an Indian whose main language is not English then the messages seem so entrenched in the seventh grade that an opposing candidate would celebrate their use as paid staff in a serious campaign. However if they are indeed the work of an Indian I would very much want to know why the Imdian is showing so very much concern about this one race with no obvious ties to India.