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Apparently Ayman Al Zawahri is telling it exactly like it is these days.


DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri called U.S. President George W. Bush a "lying failure" for saying progress had been made in the war on terrorism, according to a video posted on the Internet on Friday.

"Bush you are a lying failure and a charlatan. It has been 3 and-a-half years (since the arrests)...What happened to us? We have gained more strength and we are more insistant on martyrdom," the Egyptian militant leader said.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-09-29T190142Z_01_L29899303_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SECURITY-ZAWAHRI.xml

I cant wait til the corpse of Al Zuckpeepee is on the news.

Clean shaven and de-loused.

He said this from the comfort of a cave in the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan. I read it in a comfortable, climate controlled office in a modern, civilized country. Now tell me, who's winning? The guy in a hole in the ground or me?

He said this from the comfort of a cave in the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan. I read it in a comfortable, climate controlled office in a modern, civilized country. Now tell me, who's winning? The guy in a hole in the ground or me?Apparently, he is sending videos from his cave in "the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan" to Dubai. What makes you thin he doesn't have a climate controlled quarters down there in Lahor... errrm... hills? At least he isn't slaving away in an office like you do. Seems like he has a slight upper hand.

He said this from the comfort of a cave in the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan. I read it in a comfortable, climate controlled office in a modern, civilized country. Now tell me, who's winning? The guy in a hole in the ground or me?

No matter where he lurks- a hole in the ground, a tent in the desert or an Embassy Suites, he still stinks worse than a thousand cabbies.

Apparently, he is sending videos from his cave in "the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan" to Dubai. What makes you thin he doesn't have a climate controlled quarters down there in Lahor... errrm... hills? At least he isn't slaving away in an office like you do. Seems like he has a slight upper hand.

Yeah, he's winning. He knocked down two of our buildings. We took over the nation of Afghanistan.

He said this from the comfort of a cave in the hills between Afghanistan and Pakistan. I read it in a comfortable, climate controlled office in a modern, civilized country. Now tell me, who's winning? The guy in a hole in the ground or me?

You aren't fighting in the war are you? Or are you in the 101st Keyboard Warriors ?

There is increased support for Jihadism in General. There are more sympathetic to Al Qaeda than before. America has lost the sympathy it had over the NYC attacks, and its actions have alienated or at least made wary the western nations. Not only is Iraq turning into a multi billion mess but the taleban are actually making something of a comeback.
Thats not exactly a win for the US. Its a loss. Particularily as these Jihadis were in caves and camps back at the start.

Liar - well heres an excerpt from something I was just reading -
"Woodward writes that there was a vast difference between what the White House and Pentagon had known about the situation in Iraq and what they were saying publicly. In memos, reports and internal debates administration officials have voiced their concern about the conduct of the war, even while Bush and cabinet members such as Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have insisted that the war was going well.

Last May, Woodward writes, the intelligence division of the Joint Chiefs of Staff circulated a secret intelligence estimate predicting that violence will not only continue for the rest of this year in Iraq but increase in 2007.

"Insurgents and terrorists retain the resources and capabilities to sustain and even increase current level of violence through the next year," said the report, which was distributed to the White House, State Department and other intelligence agencies."
//http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092900368_pf.html

Likewise the National intelligence estimate, which they said did not state that Iraq had caused an Increase in Islamist movements did. Even more funny that they rolled out John "amigos with the deathsquads"NegroPonte to lie for them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5375064.stm

And wasn't the whole business of going to the UN over Iraq itself a lie?
"The US would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would 'twist arms' and 'even threaten'. But he had to say that if ultimately we failed, military action would follow anyway.''
http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=1661

Yeah, he's winning. He knocked down two of our buildings. We took over the nation of Afghanistan.

Yes, the country that contained the terrorist group - composed of poor and mostly illeterate farmers, run by warlords with their own agendas, and teeming with Jihadis. What a change theres been there, eh?

You aren't fighting in the war are you? Or are you in the 101st Keyboard Warriors ? He's not fighting either. He's just sending out messages to anyone who will listen. Similar to what we do on NS, only news organizations tend to pay attention to his posts.


There is increased support for Jihadism in General. There are more sympathetic to Al Qaeda than before. America has lost the sympathy it had over the NYC attacks, and its actions have alienated or at least made wary the western nations. Not only is Iraq turning into a multi billion mess but the taleban are actually making something of a comeback.
Thats not exactly a win for the US. Its a loss. Particularily as these Jihadis were in caves and camps back at the start.

Liar - well heres an excerpt from something I was just reading -
"Woodward writes that there was a vast difference between what the White House and Pentagon had known about the situation in Iraq and what they were saying publicly. In memos, reports and internal debates administration officials have voiced their concern about the conduct of the war, even while Bush and cabinet members such as Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have insisted that the war was going well.

Last May, Woodward writes, the intelligence division of the Joint Chiefs of Staff circulated a secret intelligence estimate predicting that violence will not only continue for the rest of this year in Iraq but increase in 2007.

"Insurgents and terrorists retain the resources and capabilities to sustain and even increase current level of violence through the next year," said the report, which was distributed to the White House, State Department and other intelligence agencies."
//http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092900368_pf.html

Likewise the National intelligence estimate, which they said did not state that Iraq had caused an Increase in Islamist movements did. Even more funny that they rolled out John "amigos with the deathsquads"NegroPonte to lie for them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5375064.stm

And wasn't the whole business of going to the UN over Iraq itself a lie?
"The US would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would 'twist arms' and 'even threaten'. But he had to say that if ultimately we failed, military action would follow anyway.''
http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=1661

Bush has bungled most of what he's touched, but the Taliban lose dozens of men for every one NATO soldier they manage to wound or kill. They don't control territory in Afghanistan. They have to hide over the border in Pakistan.

Yeah, Iraq has increased the number of extremists, and yeah Bush has cost the US sympathy and credibility, but it's a minor setback. He'll be gone in two years, and soon he'll be rendered impotent by a Democratic congress. After he's gone we'll be able to start repairing the damage. As for the extra jihadists, well, the impact of terrorism tends to fade when people get used to it and the governments of the world will keep cracking down on the jihadists because they're bad for business.

Yeah, he's winning. He knocked down two of our buildings. We took over the nation of Afghanistan.
Well done. He must be crying now... Saudi as he is and all...

Well done. He must be crying now... Saudi as he is and all...
Ayman al Zawahiri got his start in terrorism with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. He's Egyptian and Afghanistan was where all his training camps and his little recruits were hanging out. They had access to afghan passports and the backing and protection of the Afghan government. No more.

Ayman al Zawahiri got his start in terrorism with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. He's Egyptian and Afghanistan was where all his training camps and his little recruits were hanging out. They had access to afghan passports and the backing and protection of the Afghan government. No more.
And? You think The GREAT BOOGEYMAN Osama is anything but laughing at the trips to Afghanistan and Iraq?!? Those two are so utterly failed, that if he was alive before them, he has surely died of laughter after.

Which is fine by me. I want him dead. Not that way, though.

And? You think The GREAT BOOGEYMAN Osama is anything but laughing at the trips to Afghanistan and Iraq?!? Those two are so utterly failed, that if he was alive before them, he has surely died of laughter after.

Which is fine by me. I want him dead. Not that way, though.

I think they were shamed and humiliated by the ease with which they were driven out of Afghanistan and the government that harbored them was toppled. They are probably grateful that we did fuck up and invade Iraq for them though. We removed one of the regimes they wanted to topple and helped them recruit more suicide shitheads.

I think they were shamed and humiliated by the ease with which they were driven out of Afghanistan and the government that harbored them was toppled. They are probably grateful that we did fuck up and invade Iraq for them though. We removed one of the regimes they wanted to topple and helped them recruit more suicide shitheads.What? We just drove them to a country we pretend to be friends with... i.e Pakistan. True, one shitheaded government got toppled, but it had shit all to do with international terrorism. Aye, they terrorised their own countrymen/women, as countless of generations before, but was it REALLY worth it?
EDIT: they had to do with intl terrer... sure. I'll take that back.

What? We just drove them to a country we pretend to be friends with... i.e Pakistan. True, one shitheaded government got toppled, but it had shit all to do with international terrorism. Aye, they terrorised their own countrymen/women, as countless of generations before, but was it REALLY worth it?

What do you think that does for his image as the great warrior of the faith? How many young angry kids can you recruit to blow themselves up when they see your force of mujahidin getting booted out in a matter of days from the Islamic state that bragged about defeating the Soviet military? It was a humiliation and a big setback for al qaeda's credibility. Iraq saved al qaeda.

Iraq saved al qaeda.And that I agree with. Did it have to be so? I don't believe so, and I hope it wouldn't. But it did. If Afghanistan was the pivotal battle between freedom and terrism, why desert it?

He's not fighting either. He's just sending out messages to anyone who will listen. Similar to what we do on NS, only news organizations tend to pay attention to his posts..

More similar to Bush or Rumsfeld, really.


Bush has bungled most of what he's touched, ..

True.

but the Taliban lose dozens of men for every one NATO soldier they manage to wound or kill. They don't control territory in Afghanistan. They have to hide over the border in Pakistan. ..

NATO don't control it either, they get attacked in their bases on a regular basis. There aren't enough of them to properly "own" areas.


Yeah, Iraq has increased the number of extremists, and yeah Bush has cost the US sympathy and credibility, but it's a minor setback. ..

Really......?

What do you think that does for his image as the great warrior of the faith? How many young angry kids can you recruit to blow themselves up when they see your force of mujahidin getting booted out in a matter of days from the Islamic state that bragged about defeating the Soviet military? It was a humiliation and a big setback for al qaeda's credibility. Iraq saved al qaeda.

Well by the mere fact they're still willing to kill and get killed overthere now, I'd say its not as much of a setback as you might think.

Yeah, he's winning. He knocked down two of our buildings. We took over the nation of Afghanistan.

No we didnt.

Control of Afghanistan is under several people.

1. President Kharzai, who controls the major metropolitan towns.

The outlying areas are all controlled by local warlords who grow and sell opium to finance thier small armies.

The US does not have a large enough force in Afganistan to claim "control" over the entire country.

If we did, Osama would have been caught by now.

Yeah, Iraq has increased the number of extremists, and yeah Bush has cost the US sympathy and credibility, but it's a minor setback. He'll be gone in two years, and soon he'll be rendered impotent by a Democratic congress. After he's gone we'll be able to start repairing the damage. As for the extra jihadists, well, the impact of terrorism tends to fade when people get used to it and the governments of the world will keep cracking down on the jihadists because they're bad for business.

A minor setback?

It's going to take a hell of a lot to repair this mess. Most people outside of America don't see that much of a difference between Democrats an Republicans. They tend to see the American government as some monolithic entity. Your government has polerized a generation and generations to come. It's not going to be easy to repair. People will remember what the American government did.