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Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

If I'm smoking in a bar or any other enclosed space, I always ask the people at my table if they mind. I would ask the whole bar, but that would be impractical. If one of them minds, then I nip outside.

As for smoking on the pavement, I'll smoke there if I like, and I don't feel the need to ask anyone for permission.

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke.

I can't stand breathing in auto pollution. But it's something I have to put up with.

Suck it up and grow some stones.

If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk.

Yeah, like where? Smoke in the middle of the street?

And you have no right to complain

I have every much right to complain about nonsmokers as they have to complain about smokers. Freedom of speech and all that.

And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body.

Nonsense.

I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

Maybe you could shove those little cotton things up your nostrils. Seems you don't like smelling anything. And clearly you need to improve your mind some more, so that will solve your inconvinience.

Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate.

They don't have the right to smoke wherever they please. Private establishments have the right to tell them not to smoke (granted, a lot of cities have smoking bans, but I can't imagine that a good number of places wouldn't be non-smoking even without them.) And frankly, your right to smoke ends when people with smoke allergies can inhale them. It's not just harming oneself. It's beyond inconsiderate. It's one area where I actually believe that the angry Americans have it right.

*blows smoke in Rainbowwws face* a little smoke won't hurt you especially in an open environment

And how is marijuana bad for the brain? (not that I would actually mind because I also drink alcohol)

I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs.

watch out college boy about :p

and life isn't about being smart

And frankly, your right to smoke ends when people with smoke allergies can inhale them.

Your right to eat nuts ends when people with nut allergies can come into contact with nut traces on you.

I can't stand breathing in auto pollution. But it's something I have to put up with.

Suck it up and grow some stones.
You think air pollution is going to do worse to you than you're already doing to yourself? Moron.


Yeah, like where? Smoke in the middle of the street?

or a remote location where people aren't walking by in the dozens. Use your head.

I have every much right to complain about nonsmokers as they have to complain about smokers. Freedom of speech and all that.

yeah sure you have "the right" to say what you want. doesn't mean that your whining that its too inconvinient to be a reasonable human being holds any weight.




Maybe you could shove those little cotton things up your nostrils. Seems you don't like smelling anything.
I like to beable to breathe unlike smokers who think they can do without.

Your right to eat nuts ends when people with nut allergies can come into contact with nut traces on you.

A lot of places are nut free zones too. and you're right about esablishments that don't allow for smoking Icehockey

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

Lighten up a little. Oh, n get over it

I think everyone should smoke. Babies should be given a pacifier with a cigarette in it as soon as their mother squeezes them out. Start 'em young and keep 'em hooked. Also I think the OP should start smoking crack.

You think air pollution is going to do worse to you than you're already doing to yourself? Moron.

I think both air pollution and cigarette smoking are risks. Risks I can accept.


or a remote location where people aren't walking by in the dozens. Use your head.

Oddly enough, not everyone is as hypochondriac about smoking as you are. So while people may be walking by in the dozens, those who hate smoking as much as you are going to be in the ones. Not enough for me to change my habits, sorry. ;)


yeah sure you have "the right" to say what you want. doesn't mean that your whining that its too inconvinient to be a reasonable human being holds any weight.

Nor does your nonsensical whining about "brain damaging" marijuana or anything else. How much weight do you seriously think I give anonymous internet people on a forum who call me a "moron?"


I like to beable to breathe unlike smokers who think they can do without.

Then it seems you'll have to accept that not everything you breathe is purified oxygen.

In fact, you already do - you accept the auto pollution, industrial and human pollution - but I guess smokers are the straw that breaks that camel's back? Pity for you.

A lot of places are nut free zones too. and you're right about esablishments that don't allow for smoking Icehockey

Maybe in your crazy world, but not where I live.

You think air pollution is going to do worse to you than you're already doing to yourself? Moron.

I'd say it depends on where you live which brings to the point that smokers have a filter for all that nasty air :p

or a remote location where people aren't walking by in the dozens. Use your head.

why don't you move away from the smokers its not much different than expecting someone who farted to move

Lighten up a little. Oh, n get over it I know its not the end of the world but I was upset and needed to burden all of you with my rant. And maybe reach the ears (or eyes?) of some people who are the topic of this thread.

I think everyone should smoke. Babies should be given a pacifier with a cigarette in it as soon as their mother squeezes them out. Start 'em young and keep 'em hooked. Also I think the OP should start smoking crack.

You should be Prime Minister.

Yeah, like where? Smoke in the middle of the street?


If anyone ever demanded that smokers stand in the middle of the street to light up, you'd have a good case. That would clearly be unreasonable. However, I've met quite a few smokers who throw hissy fits if someone politely asks them to stand a few feet away from doorways so that people passing through don't have to walk through a cloud of smoke. I can't honestly see a good argument for why it's an undue hardship to walk three paces down the street with your cigarette. It's not a matter of "smokers are icky and evil," just one of "please don't blow your smoke in my face."

Your right to eat nuts ends when people with nut allergies can come into contact with nut traces on you.

Very well then, I'll continue to wash my hands. Frankly, it's unsanitary not to do so anyway.

Very well then, I'll continue to wash my hands. Frankly, it's unsanitary not to do so anyway.

You wash your hands every time you eat nuts?

I think everyone should smoke. Babies should be given a pacifier with a cigarette in it as soon as their mother squeezes them out. Start 'em young and keep 'em hooked. Also I think the OP should start smoking crack.

I'll stick to paint thinner and helium, thank you.

You wash your hands every time you eat nuts?

Would you want to shake hands with him after he's been handling his nut-sack?

You wash your hands every time you eat nuts?

Maybe not every time, but I've washed my hands since the last time I ate nuts, and a lot of the time, when I eat nuts, my hands get sticky from the nut residue, so I have an incentive to get all of that off my hands. So yes, the majority of the time I eat nuts, I wash the residue off my hands by any means necessary.

It's a little easier to do than it is to hook up an air purifier to your head and suck out all the smoke from the air.

If anyone ever demanded that smokers stand in the middle of the street to light up, you'd have a good case.

Well, when I'm walking somewhere, I kinda have to walk on the sidewalk. That's what it's there for. The alternative would be... well, wall-crawling like Spiderman, flying like Superman, or in the street.

However, I've met quite a few smokers who throw hissy fits if someone politely asks them to stand a few feet away from doorways so that people passing through don't have to walk through a cloud of smoke.

I've never met a smoker who's done that. come to think of it, I've never met a non-smoker who's politely asked me to do anything of the sort. And I've met lots of smokers.

Well, when I'm walking somewhere, I kinda have to walk on the sidewalk. That's what it's there for. The alternative would be... well, wall-crawling like Spiderman, flying like Superman, or in the street.

Or...Stand still?

why don't you move away from the smokers its not much different than expecting someone who farted to move

Doing that in public is rude too. Who raised you?

Or...Stand still?

Well now, *you* could stand still too. You'd probably encounter fewer smokers if you never moved, wouldn't you say?

Maybe not every time, but I've washed my hands since the last time I ate nuts, and a lot of the time, when I eat nuts, my hands get sticky from the nut residue, so I have an incentive to get all of that off my hands. So yes, the majority of the time I eat nuts, I wash the residue off my hands by any means necessary.

It's a little easier to do than it is to hook up an air purifier to your head and suck out all the smoke from the air.

Every time you touch something before you wash your hands you leave nut traces on it which, for some, can be enough to trigger a reaction.

Opening the door to the bathroom on your way to washing your hands? Oops.
Turning on the light in the bathroom? Oops...

You get the idea.

Someone smoking outside?

Cue the music!
It's the end of the world and we know it

Well now, *you* could stand still too. You'd probably encounter fewer smokers if you never moved, wouldn't you say?

Or maybe you could be respectful of others distast for an unhealthy habit.

I know its not the end of the world but I was upset and needed to burden all of you with my rant. And maybe reach the ears (or eyes?) of some people who are the topic of this thread.

Repeated for those who missed it.

damn.... does anyone have a light? My B&H menthol (yeah that's right) is what I'm craving but I forgot my lighter.... seriously a match will do..?

Ahh never mind found my bic lighter at the bottom of my purse.... deeeeeeeep inhale.....

That's what I'm talkin' about!

So what was the question again?

Or maybe you could be respectful of others distast for an unhealthy habit.

...by not moving? Great idea, you could be respectful of others by shutting up.

Doing that in public is rude too. Who raised you?

ah but its usually the people around you who move or they just stand there eyes watering same thing should be done if someone is smoking really

You know you could get back at them by asking them for a fag….

Unfortunately this thread isn't a nut free zone ...

I don't really believe that your problem with smokers is that you don't like the smell. That sounds more like an excuse to hate on them, rather than the reason you don't want them around. What it sounds like your real problem is that you are holier-than-thou and get worked up over non-issues, so long as it's a chance to look 'better' than others.

People blowing marijuana smoke in your face? Either you're at a concert or you're not in public, or you felt like complaining about something that might potentially happen maybe even though it never has.

-snip-
I remember who you are now. :p

It's been bugging me since I saw your name come up, but I couldn't work out why you were familiar when you'd only just joined.

It only took a gun thread and a smoking thread to remind me. :p

...by not moving? Great idea, you could be respectful of others by shutting up.

Am I really not getting through to you? Stand in a place where very few people walk by. Thats the point I am trying to make. Its a simple request delivered in rant form because I needed to make myself feel better. Just like you are trying to make yourself feel better by resorting to "shut up"

Unfortunately this thread isn't a nut free zone ...

I don't really believe that your problem with smokers is that you don't like the smell. That sounds more like an excuse to hate on them, rather than the reason you don't want them around. What it sounds like your real problem is, is that you're a holier-than-thou asshole who wasn't loved as a child, and gets worked up over non-issues.

People blowing marijuana smoke in your face? Either you're at a concert or you're not in public, or you felt like complaining about something that might potentially happen maybe even though it never has.

ooooh and ah. Im not looking for a reason to hate on anybody. I try not to hate,( it leads to the darkside) What I think your REAL prob is is that you are an idiot trying to justify your clearly unhealthy habit and getting bent out of shape because you cant.

Am I really not getting through to you?

You're making your position clear. It's not one I agree with.

Stand in a place where very few people walk by. Thats the point I am trying to make. Its a simple request delivered in rant form because I needed to make myself feel better. Just like you are trying to make yourself feel better by resorting to "shut up"

I smoke when I walk. So, standing still isn't an option.

If people can't handle brief contact with my smoke for a few seconds, they shouldn't be wandering next to a busy street in the first place, since I can assure you (as can the EPA) that those automobiles put out more toxins than I.

Telling you to "shut up" was a mirror of your own argument for me to "stand still," not a way for me to feel better.

So a smoker has to run around looking for a secluded location before satisfying his craving for a cigarette? You don't understand addiction. You really do need to start smoking crack so you can experience what it's like to jones for just another drag.

Yes you have to deal with that inconvieniance. Smoking isn't for peole with lives. (wow I didn't know I could actually be mean sometimes)

I remember who you are now. :p

It's been bugging me since I saw your name come up, but I couldn't work out why you were familiar when you'd only just joined.

It only took a gun thread and a smoking thread to remind me. :p

Heh yes, I do tend to lose my libertarian credibility/identity when all I do is post in the Muslim-hating threads, preaching non-hatred.

Threads like these are in comparison a breath of fresh air. :D

Well, when I'm walking somewhere, I kinda have to walk on the sidewalk. That's what it's there for. The alternative would be... well, wall-crawling like Spiderman, flying like Superman, or in the street.

Granted. I'd say it would be polite to try to avoid smoking while walking down a crowded sidewalk, since all the people who don't want to inhale your smoke also lack superhero abilities. Unless you are really, severely, horribly addicted, I'd think you could wait till you're out of the crowd to light up, though I don't consider smoking while walking down the sidewalk to be a terribly big deal - I can hold my breath while you walk by if I have to. :p


I've never met a smoker who's done that. come to think of it, I've never met a non-smoker who's politely asked me to do anything of the sort. And I've met lots of smokers.

I've met lots of both, and I'm certain that any generalization about rudeness in either camp would be stupid. Most people, smokers or non-smokers, are fairly reasonable and courteous. Some people, smokers and non-smokers, are jackasses. Odds are non-smokers will be annoyed more by the former and smokers by the latter, and thus notice them more. I also get the impression that the OP was referring not to all smokers, but to the ones who happen to be jackasses about their smoking.

ooooh and ah. Im not looking for a reason to hate on anybody. I try not to hate,( it leads to the darkside) What I think your REAL prob is is that you are an idiot trying to justify your clearly unhealthy habit and getting bent out of shape because you cant.

WHAT? WHAT? Smoking's unhealthy??? Why didn't anyone warn me!??!

Just kidding.... I am a smoker but I understand what you're saying. It really is just common courtesy. I would not light up in someone else's car/house without asking, or while someone is eating, or blow smoke in someone's face. I think smoker's these days (myself included) are just feeling defensive because the areas that we can actually smoke in are disappearing alarmingly quickly.

Yes you have to deal with that inconvieniance. Smoking isn't for peole with lives. (wow I didn't know I could actually be mean sometimes)

Smoking is the greatest thing anyone can do for humanity. You eliminate the non-productive years of your life and free up resources for the next generation.

Unfortunately this thread isn't a nut free zone ...

I don't really believe that your problem with smokers is that you don't like the smell. That sounds more like an excuse to hate on them, rather than the reason you don't want them around. What it sounds like your real problem is that you are holier-than-thou and get worked up over non-issues, so long as it's a chance to look 'better' than others.

People blowing marijuana smoke in your face? Either you're at a concert or you're not in public, or you felt like complaining about something that might potentially happen maybe even though it never has.

Or maybe we really have legitimate gripes about it, like allergies or that it's hard to breathe when other people are smoking. That and maybe it really does cause cancer. That and we really don't like to be told to "quit yer bitchin'" by a bunch of smokers who think their habit is actually good for them.

ooooh and ah. Im not looking for a reason to hate on anybody. I try not to hate,( it leads to the darkside) What I think your REAL prob is is that you are an idiot trying to justify your clearly unhealthy habit and getting bent out of shape because you cant.
I don't even smoke, dude. I just don't give smokers a hard time, because it's not worth it to me to stress out about small stuff. Going to university taught me to not mind the smell of cigarette smoke anymore.

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke...

I don't much like it either, but try to have patience with people. If you are patient and forgiving of others' faults it becomes easier to be patient and forgiving of your own short comings. Which leads you to be a much happier person in the end.

Granted. I'd say it would be polite to try to avoid smoking while walking down a crowded sidewalk, since all the people who don't want to inhale your smoke also lack superhero abilities. Unless you are really, severely, horribly addicted, I'd think you could wait till you're out of the crowd to light up, though I don't consider smoking while walking down the sidewalk to be a terribly big deal - I can hold my breath while you walk by if I have to. :p

I'm not addicted at all. ;)

I don't think non-smokers understand the situation; they tend to assume any smoker is An Addict. They often bring out the "more addictive than heroin" cliche too. Having known heroin addicts I can assure my situation is nowhere near the same thing. But that aside.

It depends on how crowded a sidewalk we're talking about. If it's *that* crowded I'd avoid it simply because I don't want to burn people with my cigarette. But streets around here aren't NYC streets and I don't usually avoid it. Unless I feel like it.

I've met lots of both, and I'm certain that any generalization about rudeness in either camp would be stupid. Most people, smokers or non-smokers, are fairly reasonable and courteous. Some people, smokers and non-smokers, are jackasses. Odds are non-smokers will be annoyed more by the former and smokers by the latter, and thus notice them more. I also get the impression that the OP was referring not to all smokers, but to the ones who happen to be jackasses about their smoking.

I get that impression too, but I also get the impression that he/she tends to assume every smoker is a jackass. I do make a distinction between non-smokers, who simply don't smoke, and anti-smokers, who seem to want to crucify smokers.

I do make a distinction between non-smokers, who simply don't smoke, and anti-smokers, who seem to want to crucify smokers.

I like that distinction.....

So the smoking bans are spreading with lightning speed.
The fight to legislate a Trans Fats ban is heating up.

For those that see these things as positives I'd wonder where you'd draw the line.

Slippery slope and all......

before long you're living in Singapore where it's illegal to chew gum.

I think a lot of smokers are getting defensive because they are constantly treated with the condescending attitudes of non-smokers. The attitude seems to be, anyone who smokes must have some kind of mental defect that causes them to do something so terribly bad for them.

I personally go to gret lengths to avoid smoking around people who might be offended by it; but yet I am lumped in with the minority of smokers who seem to delight in aggravating people by filling their area with a cloud of smoke.

Having said that, here are a few things Id like to see banned-

1) People wearing that overpowering sage-scented deodorant that can be smelled several feet away.

2) Women wearing too much perfume or hairspray.

3) People driving cars equippped with those massive subwoofers. It might not be so bad if they had some decent taste in music, but they are always playing hip-hop. Sometimes I'd like to have a grenade launcher handy when one of those cars rolls by.

4) People who drink a couple beers and then insist on breathing near me. GO brush your teeth, for Gods sake!

Having said that, here are a few things Id like to see banned-

1) People wearing that overpowering sage-scented deodorant that can be smelled several feet away.

2) Women wearing too much perfume or hairspray.

3) People driving cars equippped with those massive subwoofers. It might not be so bad if they had some decent taste in music, but they are always playing hip-hop. Sometimes I'd like to have a grenade launcher handy when one of those cars rolls by.

4) People who drink a couple beers and then insist on breathing near me. GO brush your teeth, for Gods sake!

I like this list, let me add to it.

5) People who bring their screaming, uncontrollable infants into public. They drive other people crazy.

6) People driving cars while talking on the cell phone. They are a menace.

7) Really fat people wearing bikinis or similarly scant attire. Won't someone think of the children?

I like this list, let me add to it.

5) People who bring their screaming, uncontrollable infants into public. They drive other people crazy.

6) People driving cars while talking on the cell phone. They are a menace.

7) Really fat people wearing bikinis or similarly scant attire. Won't someone think of the children?

It'll take too long to legislate all of the things that people would like banned. Let's just ban all personal freedoms and that'll solve everything! :headbang:

I get that impression too, but I also get the impression that he/she tends to assume every smoker is a jackass. I do make a distinction between non-smokers, who simply don't smoke, and anti-smokers, who seem to want to crucify smokers.

I think there's really a third category between those two, into which I would fit. I'm not in the least anti-smoker - I'm simply anti-smoker-making-me-inhale-their-smoke, as doing so makes me very sick. I think anything like banning cigarettes would be stupid and unreasonable; I think banning smoking in enclosed public spaces is reasonable. I fully support your right to smoke; I simply don't support your right to make me smoke. Just as it's all too easy for non-smokers to lump everyone with a cigarette in with the asses who think it's funny to blow smoke in asthmatics faces (And yes, I've actually seen this. Seriously. Some people are beyond belief.), I think it's also all too easy for smokers to lump all non-smokers in with the idiots who think it's appropriate to walk up to strangers on the street and lecture them on their filthy habits (Seen that, too. Some people...).

I AM A SMOKER AND WITH THE BAN COME INTO PLACE IN SCOTLAND WE CAN`T SMOKE EVERYWHERE. BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU I CAN`T STAND, FOR EXAMPLE ONE DAY I WAS STANDING OUTSIDE THE BUS SHELTER HAVING A SMOKE AND A NON SMOKER ASKED ME TO PUT IT OUT AS SHE SAID THE WIND WAS BLOWING IT IN HER DIRECTION, IF SHE DIDN`T WANT TO SMELL IT GET IN THE BLOODY BUS SHELTER, IT`S PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT FOUGHT TO GET THE BAN BROUGHT IN SO HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT(IN THE BUS F**KING SHELTER.):sniper:

I think there's really a third category between those two, into which I would fit. I'm not in the least anti-smoker - I'm simply anti-smoker-making-me-inhale-their-smoke, as doing so makes me very sick.

Eh, you're a non smoker with a greater aversion to smoke than most.

I think anything like banning cigarettes would be stupid and unreasonable; I think banning smoking in enclosed public spaces is reasonable.

Well, I don't. If I own a bar and I want to allow smoking in it, who is the government to say otherwise?

Same with other privately owned establishments.

Publically owned enclosed spaces, sure, but I'm pretty sure smoking in the post office is already banned anyway.

I fully support your right to smoke; I simply don't support your right to make me smoke.

Let me assure you, being in the presence of a smoker is not the same as smoking. If it were, cigarette smokers would just hang out with whoever is smoking and not bother smoking themselves, ya know?

Just as it's all too easy for non-smokers to lump everyone with a cigarette in with the asses who think it's funny to blow smoke in asthmatics faces (And yes, I've actually seen this. Seriously. Some people are beyond belief.), I think it's also all too easy for smokers to lump all non-smokers in with the idiots who think it's appropriate to walk up to strangers on the street and lecture them on their filthy habits (Seen that, too. Some people...).

I suppose so, but consider that at best, about 20% of the population smokes. Assuming that say, 10% of any given population (smoker or non-smoker) is an ass about it, that means non-smokers might encounter 2% of the total who are asses about smoking, while smokers might encounter 8% of the total who are asses about not-smoking.

Combined with the fact that banning cigarettes completely IS a goal by the anti-tobacco lobbyists, and they'll probably reach it sooner or later, and you can understand why smokers feel a bit enclosed themselves.

You wash your hands every time you eat nuts?

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Or as Peter Griffen would sey "nehehehehehehehehehehehehe"

Now that that moment of juveinle hilarity is over I have to say, Im am halfway on this topic. Most smokers I see dont blow their smoke into other's faces, they usually blow it up, but if anyone blew it into my face, I would sure as hell be pissed and ask them to stop. Either that, or write "asshole" on their car with my keys

As a smoker, who is in terrific shape, btw, I don't mind moving away from a group or sniping my smoke when asked to do so politely. Politely.

It seems to me that most of the non-smoking Crusaders are assholes who would rather throw a rant, like the OP, rather than talk to me like a person and say "Excuse me, but your smoke is really bothering me. Could you please put that out or step outside?" Instead they go into the outraged spiel, like I was slinging anthrax through the air.

A please is all I ask. But, coming over with your holier-than-thou attitude is only going to get smoke blown in your face and for me to lose any patience I might have had with you beforehand. Bothering me any further after that will probably see a fucking bomb dropped on you. Manners will get you somewhere. Ranting will not.

And if you're complaining about someone smoking pot around you, get over it and find somewhere new to hang out. Chances are that if you're smelling pot-smoke and don't like it, you're either in the minority of the present group or you're in the presence of someone who doesn't give a shit.

There is a wide, wide world out there, and I'm all about utilizing other parts of it to light up, especially if it keeps me from ever again interacting in any way with people who are too uptight to deal with a little smoke.

-Pants hangs a Marlboro light from his lips and ponders rolling a fatty.

Well, I don't. If I own a bar and I want to allow smoking in it, who is the government to say otherwise?

Same with other privately owned establishments.

Publically owned enclosed spaces, sure, but I'm pretty sure smoking in the post office is already banned anyway.

Well, the government already does say you can't do a lot of things in a privately owned establishment. You can't smoke pot, you can't sell cocaine, you can't have an orgy, you can't even sell liquor without their permission. One could debate whether or not the government should have the authority to dictate what a business can and cannot do, but the fact remains in the meantime that they do have that authority.


Let me assure you, being in the presence of a smoker is not the same as smoking. If it were, cigarette smokers would just hang out with whoever is smoking and not bother smoking themselves, ya know?

Oh, granted. I'm sure I would start choking and feeling nauseous even faster if I were holding the cigarette myself. ;)


I suppose so, but consider that at best, about 20% of the population smokes. Assuming that say, 10% of any given population (smoker or non-smoker) is an ass about it, that means non-smokers might encounter 2% of the total who are asses about smoking, while smokers might encounter 8% of the total who are asses about not-smoking.

Perhaps. At the same time, after the ass non-smoker walks away, you're fine. Annoyed, maybe, but fine. After the ass smoker walks away, I'll continue to feel sick and have trouble breathing for the next several hours. That kind of enhances the perception of smoker jackassery. (Is that a word? Well, it is now.)

Combined with the fact that banning cigarettes completely IS a goal by the anti-tobacco lobbyists, and they'll probably reach it sooner or later, and you can understand why smokers feel a bit enclosed themselves.

Indeed I can, and I do sympathize with you there, though I rather doubt cigarettes will ever be banned. Taxed into inaffordability, possibly.

Well, the government already does say you can't do a lot of things in a privately owned establishment. You can't smoke pot, you can't sell cocaine, you can't have an orgy, you can't even sell liquor without their permission. One could debate whether or not the government should have the authority to dictate what a business can and cannot do, but the fact remains in the meantime that they do have that authority.


? Sure you can. At least where I live it's perfectly legal to engage in sexual activity with multiple people at the same time.

You just can't enjoy a cigarette when you're done.

? Sure you can. At least where I live it's perfectly legal to engage in sexual activity with multiple people at the same time.

You just can't enjoy a cigarette when you're done.

You can hold an orgy in a privately owned enclosed public space, e.g. a restaurant? Because that's what we were talking about. If so, going out to dinner must be fun where you are. :)

You can hold an orgy in a privately owned enclosed public space, e.g. a restaurant? Because that's what we were talking about. If so, going out to dinner must be fun where you are. :)

Well not just any restaurant of course. :D But in a sex club you can.... and that definitely qualifies as a privately owned enclosed public space.

Well, the government already does say you can't do a lot of things in a privately owned establishment. You can't smoke pot, you can't sell cocaine, you can't have an orgy, you can't even sell liquor without their permission. One could debate whether or not the government should have the authority to dictate what a business can and cannot do, but the fact remains in the meantime that they do have that authority.

I do often debate whether the government should have the authority to micro-manage business in a supposedly capitalist, supposedly "free" society.

And just because they already limit things you can do doesn't really offer a compelling reason to add more limitations.


Perhaps. At the same time, after the ass non-smoker walks away, you're fine. Annoyed, maybe, but fine. After the ass smoker walks away, I'll continue to feel sick and have trouble breathing for the next several hours. That kind of enhances the perception of smoker jackassery. (Is that a word? Well, it is now.)

But most people don't really feel sick and have difficulties breathing because a smoker passes them on the sidewalk.

As for being fine, well, no! It's psychological damage at being harassed. That adds to my stress which as everyone knows, is a factor in getting all kinds of diseases, not least of which is heart disease, the #1 killer in the US. :p

Indeed I can, and I do sympathize with you there, though I rather doubt cigarettes will ever be banned. Taxed into inaffordability, possibly.

First the smoking in X and Y places is banned, then in Z places, then totally. It's part of the 12 step totalitarianism plan. I've seen anti-tobacco sites and manifestos that basically outline this. Given the government's current capability to take away rights (re: the prisoner torture bill in that other thread) I don't really doubt it can and will eventually ban smoking altogether.

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke.
No one forces you. You could hold your breath for the whole 5 seconds you're in the area. Or deal with it.
If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk.
I try to blow smoke up. Sadly, I'm not walking 5 minutes to the nearest back alley so I can smoke for 5 minutes, then have to walk back again. That is a bit irrational. But I do stand off to the side.
Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate.
Well, actually, in Boston, it is banned from all indoor places except private homes. And any store owner can ask that I leave.
And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with.
I have just as much right to complain as you do. Is smoking dangerous and probably not my best life choice? yes. Is it any worse than alot of other choices I make, such as riding my bike without a helmet, rock climbing, living in a big city in a somewhat high-crime area? Not particularly.
And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body.
Actually, there is no permenent damage to the brain that has been proven.
I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs.
I go to university too. I smoke pot. The two are hardly mutually exclusive. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.
Not sure where you live, but in most countries, that is illegal and would end up with felony drug charges...

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.
People do a lot of things that are inconsiderate. Most smokers I know will move outside, or away from you, or put out their cigarettes entirely if asked politely. On the other hand, if someone comes up to them and starts ranting about their filthy habits and how they're going to give everyone lung cancer, they're much less inclined to do so.

Oh, and the bolded sentence actually made me laugh. As if university students didn't smoke or do drugs. :p

But most people don't really feel sick and have difficulties breathing because a smoker passes them on the sidewalk.


I do, but I usually hold my breath as soon as I detect that someone is smoking nearby, and hold it for as long as I have to. I still end up coughing as soon as I'm in a place with air clean enough for me to start breathing again, and I am glad that my state has smoking bans on restaurants, because when I went to another state, they had the bathroom past the smoking section, which meant that I had to run to the bathroom while holding my breath, and cough for a minute or so after I got the bathroom.

Also, before the ban I sometimes had to leave restaurants because the only seats they had left were in the smoking section, or in the non-smoking section but close enough to the smoking section that the smoke still bothered me.

I consider having to pass smokers on the sidewalk an annoyance, but I don't think that smoking should be banned outside or in private homes.

And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

Quit whining.

A little sniff of pot smoke isn't going to have any affect on your mental abilities. Furthermore half of those kids smoking pot outfront the school are probably more 'learned' then you. Whining about things that don't affect you is inconsiderate to the max.

At my high school we had the odd couple of whiny brats who'd call a VP over when kids were smoking out front.

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My unbearably long, rambling comment:

I used to be avidly against smoking. I convinced my mom to quit and dedicated a good portion of my early years to convincing others to quit. Then, at the age of 16, I picked up a pack wondering what the heck people saw in the things and I've been smoking ever since for a grand total of 16 years. It's not that I haven't tried to quit. It hasn't worked. More often than not I end up fearing for the safety of those around me when I am having a nicotine fit.

I do try to be respectful of others when I smoke in public, like blowing smoke in the other direction or standing away from them. What really gets me are the people who have a big coughing-tantrum. It's not a real cough. It's that extreme fake cough where they're just trying to be obnoxious. I have to fight the temptation to not blow my smoke in their faces. Be rude to me and I will definitely be rude back -not that it solves anything.

Yesterday I was sitting out in front of my job on a smoke break when a group of preschoolers walked by. I tucked my cigarette under my hand and refrained from smoking it until they passed. One adorable little fellow piped up with, "Ew! I HATE cigarette smoke!" I immediately replied, "Good for you! Don't stop hating it, it's a nasty habit!" He cocked his head, gave me an odd look and walked on.

As soon as he left, I resumed smoking. As a side note, to anyone who thinks that "MJ" is even worse, I have heard on more than one occasion that doctors would prefer pregnant women smoke pot over cigarettes. Could be they're just stupid American doctors though... :confused:

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with.Know what? I'm sick & fucking tired of fanatical anti-smoker ranting. Anti-cig rants & anti-smoke rants I can deal with, but this sort of shit is too far gone. So just in case we cross paths, I'll start blowing smoke into the faces of every person I pass on the sidewalk. If some poor astmatic fuck buys it, remember who made me behave like that. And whatever happens, don't blame me. It isn't my fault people are dumb enough to start breathing.

I don't smoke in public buildings. I don't smoke around kids. If I don't already know, I ask if my peers mind before I light a cig. And I don't care if you're fucking god incarnate. I will smoke outdoors whenever the hell I feel like it, unless it's a major firehazard.

If it's a problem for you, for whatever reason, you can learn some fucking manners & stop crowding my personal space. You shouldn't be close enough to me to co-smoke my cigs when we're outdoors. If you are anyway, I reserve the punch you in the face & charge you for smoking my cigs.

Trust me, I'm pretty damn considerate with my smoking. Always have been. I assume as a matter of course that people might have respiratory problems - perhaps because I know one who does - and act accordingly.
I also expect people not to try to stigmatize smokers, regardles of how little respect they have for the habit, and I have no respect for people who do it. People like you.

Let's see what you accomplished by trying to alienate me, shall we?
1. Uncompromising behaviour.
2. Harsh language.
3. One NSGeneralite who now has a very low opinion of you.

Was that what you wanted? If it wasn't, maybe attacking smokers for not respecting your invasions of their personal space, outdoors of all places, wasn't such a hot idea.And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.And you, Rainbowwws, don't know what the hell you're talking about. I dare you to prove your idiot claim. If you can, I promise I won't charge you for smoking my cigs if you invade my personal space.

Am I the only one here who loves the smell of smoke?

Ah.... flame war. *fetches a pale of water*

Inconsiderate Anti-Smokers should shut the Hell up and let me enjoy the air pollution.
I love the smell of second hand smoke (or any kind of smoke/burning-emission really), and you bastards are making it a pain in the ass to got get a whiff of that wonderful stuff by trying to chase smokers out and away from everything.

And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain

Prove it.

Smokers are fine by me as long as they go outside and don't circulate their smoke in the building's airconditioning (which is unhealthy as it is).

Smoking should be banned in some workplaces like gas plants for very obvious reasons though.

I don't really care if other people smoke around me.

I AM A SMOKER AND WITH THE BAN COME INTO PLACE IN SCOTLAND WE CAN`T SMOKE EVERYWHERE. BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU I CAN`T STAND, FOR EXAMPLE ONE DAY I WAS STANDING OUTSIDE THE BUS SHELTER HAVING A SMOKE AND A NON SMOKER ASKED ME TO PUT IT OUT AS SHE SAID THE WIND WAS BLOWING IT IN HER DIRECTION, IF SHE DIDN`T WANT TO SMELL IT GET IN THE BLOODY BUS SHELTER, IT`S PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT FOUGHT TO GET THE BAN BROUGHT IN SO HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT(IN THE BUS F**KING SHELTER.):sniper:

I tend to agree. Its madness really, this whole "Icky, I got some smoke on me." attitude. And yet you all eat at McDonalds every other day and drink about nine gallons of Pepsi a week. God I'd hate it if you farted near me. I might get some of your f*d up colon cancer on me. Just try to get parliament to argue that one though...

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.


Maybe you should move to a nice quiet corner of the world where nobody smokes. Hmmm. Oops. There's no corner of the world where absolutely nobody smokes. Of course this raises the deeper psychological question of why you want to make your street the only place in the world where nobody smokes.... Oh Dr. Freud, patient in observation room three - thats right smokers are the ruination of the world delusion again, yes I'll prepare a sedative....

Unfortunately this thread isn't a nut free zone ...

I don't really believe that your problem with smokers is that you don't like the smell. That sounds more like an excuse to hate on them, rather than the reason you don't want them around. What it sounds like your real problem is that you are holier-than-thou and get worked up over non-issues, so long as it's a chance to look 'better' than others.

People blowing marijuana smoke in your face? Either you're at a concert or you're not in public, or you felt like complaining about something that might potentially happen maybe even though it never has.

You there.

Are you new here, or someones puppet?

Also, for the record, I smoked for five years. Started in late pre-middle aged adulthood. Stopped because it bored me. Nicotine is NOTHING like heroin or cocaine, so don't believe that tripe about its addictive power. You can quit smoking if you want to. If you don't want to, don't try to quit. Its as simple as that. Don't let Rainbowowows or parliament or the constricted sphincters of the world shame you into doing something you don't want to do.

Also, for the record, I smoked for five years. Started in late pre-middle aged adulthood. Stopped because it bored me. Nicotine is NOTHING like heroin or cocaine, so don't believe that tripe about its addictive power. You can quit smoking if you want to. If you don't want to, don't try to quit. Its as simple as that. Don't let Rainbowowows or parliament or the constricted sphincters of the world shame you into doing something you don't want to do.

You can quit heroin or cocaine if you want to, too. Alcohol withdrawl on the otherhand can kill you.

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

If they are out on a sidewalk, be considerate enough to WALK AWAY FROM THEM.

Or maybe you could be respectful of others distast for an unhealthy habit.

Perhaps you could be respectful of other people's rights and choices and, if they are outside, walk away from them, rather than throwing a hissy fit and acting as if they are criminals.

I am, btw, a NON-SMOKER.

When I see someone smoking, my first urge is to assume he is on fire and smother him with a carpet. Sometimes I manage to fight that urge. :)

When I see someone smoking, my first urge is to assume he is on fire and smother him with a carpet. Sometimes I manage to fight that urge. :)

Does it involve then tackling said "victim" into a mudpuddle? :D

Does it involve then tackling said "victim" into a mudpuddle? :D

I'd say the odds of that depend on the victim and the proximity of the mudpuddle. :)

It's not very likely. None of my good friends smoke. I can't imagine why not. :p

Come on, How is smoking outdoors inconsiderate? Seriously, how?
Second hand smoke? That couldn't possibly happen outside unless you accidentally happened to stand right in front of them and suck the smoke out of their lungs.
And furthermore, whats wrong with drugs?

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

Ever occurred to you that the pavement is a public, open space and if I smoke there it won't be more harmful to you than a Euro-4 SUV rolling by?
Btw I go to university, too, and the greater part of the best professors I have do smoke, so I guess the brain damage is quite ridiculous - and I'm talking about physics, so not exactly easiest subject in the world.
I realise, however, than, as most americans, you use to get quite radical on things like tobacco, hemp and alcohol, so I'll be very european and get back to my cognac and tuscan cigar, and drink to your health... you fundamenalist.

where i live you cant smoke in doors in places of business. like bars and such. i'm a smoker, but thats ok with me. i understand the arguement.
when out in the open, i'll smoke where ever i want.

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

For this post You refers to Rainbowwws and anyone like him

You demanded I smoke outside of our shared work/eating space, I said Ok I will be polite and do it.

You demanded that I smoke outside of the building in the rain/snow, heat/cold, and even though I didn't like it or think it was fair I have done it

Now YOU want to come outside and again want me to move away from YOU

This time my answer to YOU is

FUCK YOU:upyours: :mad:

Normaly I edit my language but not this time

I smoke when I'm in a ventilated area. If I'm outside smoking (and rarely am I ever near a non smoker outside school or workplace, unless they choose to put themselves near smokers) I will purposely 'aim' my exit smoke and burnt off smoke from the cig away from myself and others. I myself being a smoker cannot stand to have smoke rushing in my face, so I do the same for other folk.

But this bullshit about second hand smoke 'killing' people when the only smokers they have been around is when they were on their breaks outside work and ppl were smoking.. paaleeeasse get over it. You'd have to be incaged in a freakin non-ventalited box for second hand smoke to bother you.. like riding daily in a windows up car or in an enclosed room with smoke for a considerable amount of time for it to be a nuisance to your health. If you aren't encaged with smokers with no ventilation you are just being an asshole.

Some right wing blogger reported that while Al Gore was addressing the UN regarding global warming he stated that cigarette smoking was a "significant contributor" to global warming. If the blogger was telling the truth about the creator of the internet saying this then I cannot forsee much hope for any smokers Gore represents.

If smokers are there first then its their right. Should I have to put up with people smelling like a freshly used jock strap if they just got out of the gym. Or smelling like they dipped themselves in a vat of perfume?

I hate people who ask smokers to not stand in a doorway. Like the non smoker is planning on taking 2 minutes to open and close a door.

I'll also note that I am not a smoker. I am just fair.

I wouldn't have supported smoking bans if:
1. I didn't feel like barfing and/or coughing whenever I smelled cigarette smoke.
2. Smoking didn't make my 70 year old grand mother look like a 90 year old.
3. Tobbacco companies weren't hell bent on profitting at all cost, even if it meant people died.
4. If it wasn't addictive at all. You say you could quit at any time? good for you. I know many people who tried and suffered from withdrawel. Just because it doesn't kill as much as, say, alcohol withdrawel doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's not will power as much as cigarette brand(different companies put different poisons in them. Yes, nicotine is a toxin) and bodies(different people can cope with different things)

I hate people who ask smokers to not stand in a doorway. Like the non smoker is planning on taking 2 minutes to open and close a door.

...the smoke only pops into existence after you've been opening and closing a door for two minutes? How's that work?

The point of asking smokers not to stand in doorways is to allow people the option of not walking through a cloud of smoke without having to inconvenience themselves to an absurd degree (e.g. not being able to leave a building until several minutes after the smoker goes away). Most smokers I've met would agree that it's not a major inconvenience to walk a few feet to the side of the doorway before they light up.

Besides, why would you hate people for asking smokers to move? If someone was yelling at the smokers or insulting them, sure, but "Sorry, but would you mind moving a few feet away from the door?" hardly seems worthy of hatred.

I hate people who ask smokers to not stand in a doorway. Like the non smoker is planning on taking 2 minutes to open and close a door.

I'll also note that I am not a smoker. I am just fair.

I also am not a smoker. In fact, I am mildly sensitive to cigarette smoke, and it can trigger asthma attacks. I hold my breath generally, if I have to walk through a cloud of smoke surrounding a door - or even just walk past a smoker. If I have to stay in proximity, I tend to cover my nose and mouth with my shirt or something, just so I can stay breathing normally.

BUT I have NEVER asked a smoker not to smoke, or to move. Or anything. I've asked them not to smoke in my house, but that's my house, and I ask them to take off their shoes, too. I firmly believe in their right to do disgusting and idiotic things - including smoking. I find all these increasingly popular indoor-smoking bans enjoyable, but somewhat offensive, ideologically.

Maybe I'm odd, but I don't want people telling me what to do, and it certainly isn't the government's business. I figure that starts with me.

Funny how you say cloud as if the world's winds have stopped... It is hardley a cloud.

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with. And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.

Not that I smoke but it's gotten pretty ridiculous about all the bans on smoking. You can't smoke in a bar [not that I really mind] now here. I am waiting for the day that smoking is only allowed in your house and even then I am waiting for some stupid law that bans that even. Smoking is harmful yes it is but give them a break already.

I wouldn't have supported smoking bans if:
1. I didn't feel like barfing and/or coughing whenever I smelled cigarette smoke.
2. Smoking didn't make my 70 year old grand mother look like a 90 year old.
3. Tobbacco companies weren't hell bent on profitting at all cost, even if it meant people died.
4. If it wasn't addictive at all. You say you could quit at any time? good for you. I know many people who tried and suffered from withdrawel. Just because it doesn't kill as much as, say, alcohol withdrawel doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's not will power as much as cigarette brand(different companies put different poisons in them. Yes, nicotine is a toxin) and bodies(different people can cope with different things)

1. Mmm cigarette smoke...you get used to it [grew up with it (no asthma here)]

2. But it kept her metabolism high (sick huh?)

3. Who are the real idiots? The tobacco companies or the people BUYING the cigarettes?

4. Sure it's addictive. So is masturbation.

Just had to throw those in :). People need to take responsibility for their own actions. They weren't forced to choose between smoking and instant death. I don't blame the companies, why should I? It isn't their fault people are stupid enough to buy their product.

Pipes and cigars, vivat!

cigarettes, no thanks

Some right wing blogger reported that while Al Gore was addressing the UN regarding global warming he stated that cigarette smoking was a "significant contributor" to global warming. If the blogger was telling the truth about the creator of the internet saying this then I cannot forsee much hope for any smokers Gore represents.I doubt Al Gore said something like that, because it isn't true. It takes much, much more than a billion people somking 20 cigs a day to produce too much CO2 for the natural carbom sinks to handle. The billion metric tons of CO2 from our use of fossil fuels, on the other hand..
There might be something to it in a round about way, if tobacco production was responsible for clearing vast areas of forest for farmland, but that isn't the case either. Smoking isn't even a drop in the ocean, it's a molecule.

By the way, I happen to be a chain smoker, and a vegan. Methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, so even if I keep being a chainsmoker all my life, the number of animal crap I won't be responsible for producing will more than cancel it out. If we're gonna follow on the alleged idiot unreason of of Gore, shouldn't you all be chain-smoking vegans?


Banning the sale of tobacco products is a fairly idiotic idea on the whole. Lots of people enjoy smoking, and while it's true that it's dangerous & massively expensive for people with a public health system, a ban isn't the right way to go about it. It'd make a lot more sense to make smokers pay the added expense by upping the price on cigs. And no, no place in the world is doing that yet, for some inexplicable reason. Not that I want my habit to be even costlier, but I don't enjoy feeling like a leech when I light up a cig. I'd much rather my neighbours tax money helped people who really need it.
Same with organ transplantation. When there's desperate lack of organs, it doesn't make much sense to give the organs there are, to people suffering self-inflicted organ failures. I don't mind being discriminated against when there's a logical reason. I highly doubt most of my fellow smokers do either.

So why not simply let us smokers enjoy our vices? It's perfectly easy to do. There's no need to stigmatize or criminalize our behaviour. Doing that just creates social problems & decreases our quality of life.

...the smoke only pops into existence after you've been opening and closing a door for two minutes? How's that work?

The point of asking smokers not to stand in doorways is to allow people the option of not walking through a cloud of smoke without having to inconvenience themselves to an absurd degree (e.g. not being able to leave a building until several minutes after the smoker goes away). Most smokers I've met would agree that it's not a major inconvenience to walk a few feet to the side of the doorway before they light up.

Besides, why would you hate people for asking smokers to move? If someone was yelling at the smokers or insulting them, sure, but "Sorry, but would you mind moving a few feet away from the door?" hardly seems worthy of hatred.

I do try to be considerate, however I have already been forced out of the building and no I don't stand in the doorway but as you request I walk a few feet to the side of the doorway before I light up and always have as that is not unreasonable.

HOWEVER

From the OP

Originally Posted by Rainbowwws
Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with.



This doesn't sound to me as a "polite request" to move a few feet away from the door but a demand that I (as a smoker) move "far away" (how far is "far away" 5 meters, 10 50, 100?) from Rainbowwws so as not to make him smell my smoke.

To this I would say NO, and if he persist in his demand F**K NO

I also am not a smoker. In fact, I am mildly sensitive to cigarette smoke, and it can trigger asthma attacks. I hold my breath generally, if I have to walk through a cloud of smoke surrounding a door - or even just walk past a smoker. If I have to stay in proximity, I tend to cover my nose and mouth with my shirt or something, just so I can stay breathing normally.

BUT I have NEVER asked a smoker not to smoke, or to move. Or anything. I've asked them not to smoke in my house, but that's my house, and I ask them to take off their shoes, too. I firmly believe in their right to do disgusting and idiotic things - including smoking. I find all these increasingly popular indoor-smoking bans enjoyable, but somewhat offensive, ideologically.

Maybe I'm odd, but I don't want people telling me what to do, and it certainly isn't the government's business. I figure that starts with me.

More people should be like you.

In Scotland it is illegal to smoke in Pubs, Bars and Restaurants - you have to go outside for a smoke, but some places provide some form of shelter outdoors.

I know quite a few smokers and they almost all like the new system. They tend to like waking up the next morning and not having their hair and clothes smell of smoke, they like not getting ittirated eyes in clubs from smoke, they also like the fact they tend to smoke less during the course of a night out.

Non smokers are also pretty keen on the new(ish) rules.

Heres a deal: When I light up I walk 2 - 3 Metres away from non-smokers. If that is not enough space then they are welcome to walk an additional 2 - 3 metres away from me.

*Or further. I highly doubt that I will miss their company*

I doubt Al Gore said something like that, because it isn't true.


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash6.htm



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I dont place Al Gore above saying something which isnt true.

However the only original source Ive seen alleging that he said this is the drudge report (with any number of people quoting it)

I have no clue where to get a transcript or better still video recording of Gores address to either confirm or deny the drudge.

I dont place Al Gore above saying something which isnt true.Neither do I, but Al Gore supposedly knows something about the subject. That makes the alleged statement very, very unlikely to have been serious, as smoking has about as much to do with global warming as gerbils do.I have no clue where to get a transcript or better still video recording of Gores address to either confirm or deny the drudge.In that case, I think it's wise take it with a grain of salt. It may simply be wrong, for whatever reason, or it may have been a joke taken out of context. Without a better source we'll never know.

Considering how many semi-sane reasons there are to regulate or ban tobacco, it seems unlikely that Al Gore would undermine his own credibility with an outright, pointless lie like this.

Thanks for the source though :)

I also am not a smoker. In fact, I am mildly sensitive to cigarette smoke, and it can trigger asthma attacks. I hold my breath generally, if I have to walk through a cloud of smoke surrounding a door - or even just walk past a smoker. If I have to stay in proximity, I tend to cover my nose and mouth with my shirt or something, just so I can stay breathing normally.

BUT I have NEVER asked a smoker not to smoke, or to move. Or anything. I've asked them not to smoke in my house, but that's my house, and I ask them to take off their shoes, too. I firmly believe in their right to do disgusting and idiotic things - including smoking. I find all these increasingly popular indoor-smoking bans enjoyable, but somewhat offensive, ideologically.

Maybe I'm odd, but I don't want people telling me what to do, and it certainly isn't the government's business. I figure that starts with me.

Because you are polite about it and don't demand it.

I would always ask if you minded if I smoke if we are in any closed environ ( house, car,ect.) and respect your wishes, and if outdoors I would do my best to be up-wind of you.
At your house or in your car I wouldn't think about smoking, your house your rules,I would even take off my shoes ( you might want to re-think that my feet can smell at times):)

Can't stand people who force the others to breath in their disgusting smelling smoke. If you are a smoker please be considerate and smoke far away from a busy side walk. Irealize you have "the right" to smoke where you please, but that doesn't make it considerate. And you have no right to complain about the inconvieniance it causes because you were the one dumb enough to start smoking to begin with.

I can't stand people who force me to overhear their stupid conversations. Seriously, there are some people who are just so stupid that hearing them talk is like getting herpes of the ear.

And people who have horrid BO...don't even get me started! They should choose to bathe or stay the hell away from me!

Oooh, and people who wear capri pants. Fuck them, too.

And people who play loud music in public. That shit damages my ears and pisses me off.

I think it would be best if everybody were simply legally required to follow my house rules while out in public.

Hmm...but waitaminute. "Public." That almost makes it sound as if the world doesn't belong to me. Maybe if I choose to go out in public, into spaces that are shared among all people, I don't get to order other people to conform to my standards or my desires. Maybe I don't get to demand that they sacrifice their comfort in order to ensure my comfort. Maybe if I do that, I'm being an arrogant jackass.

Hmm. Just something to think about.


And MJ smokers you are he worst of the lot. What you smoke is harmful to your brain, the most important organ of your body. I go to university and make all efforts to improve my mind and you abuse yours with drugs. Worst of all you do so in public so that the rest of us have to smell it. Inconsiderate to the max.
Don't like MJ? Great, don't smoke it. Don't like that other people make choices you disagree with? Get over yourself, or lock yourself in your house and stop going out into public.